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Post by Tiro on Dec 4, 2022 13:07:57 GMT 1
Beckham was just like Keegan before him, made the best of his limited natural talent by sheer hard work and utter determination. He became the best player he possibly could and deserved everything he got. If Russell put as much effort into his game as Beckham did, we'd be falling over ourselves putting a decent contract in front of him. “Limited natural talent”?! Christ on a bike. The bloke revolutionised how free kicks were taken. Adidas moddled a boot on him. Someone named a film after his ability. And kids around the world practised what he did. You’ll not see anyone strike a ball cleaner or have the vision of pass in the game right now. Zidane, at Real Madrid, said he had the best right boot in the world and he couldn’t do what Beckham could. He didn’t need pace (though he was quicker than people give him credit for). |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 4, 2022 13:11:58 GMT 1
Those criticising Beckham. Did you ever see him play? No, not on TV - did you see him play live? I saw him on many occasions play for England . His display in the famous thrashing of Germany in Munich was the finest and most hardworking performance I’ve ever seen from a professional footballer. Again, I wasn't criticising Beckham, just thought he was vastly over rated. Yes, seen him live a few of times, but mostly for Manure when I went to a few games with Manure supporting mates down south in trade for them going to Town matches down there. And I agree, one of THE most hard working players EVER to appear for England, but doesn't negate the FACT he was slow, had no trickery to beat a full back and rarely got the ball to the byline. But like I've said before, his trick of curling the ball around a player meant he didn't always NEED to beat the full back. You can rate some of a player's attributes and still think he was over rated in many other aspects of his game. Even though I think he was over rated I still think he was THE best deliverer of a dead ball I've ever seen. Fair points Mosher. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Dec 4, 2022 13:15:47 GMT 1
Let’s hope if we sell him to West Brom they pay as you buy as opposed to generous 6 yr payment plan for grant.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 4, 2022 13:16:21 GMT 1
Beckham was just like Keegan before him, made the best of his limited natural talent by sheer hard work and utter determination. He became the best player he possibly could and deserved everything he got. If Russell put as much effort into his game as Beckham did, we'd be falling over ourselves putting a decent contract in front of him. “Limited natural talent”?! Christ on a bike. The bloke revolutionised how free kicks were taken. Adidas moddled a boot on him. Someone named a film after his ability. And kids around the world practised what he did. You’ll not see anyone strike a ball cleaner or have the vision of pass in the game right now. Zidane, at Real Madrid, said he had the best right boot in the world and he couldn’t do what Beckham could. He didn’t need pace (though he was quicker than people give him credit for). Good debate. I agree re his lack of pace. Many of us consider Mooy to be the finest midfielder who has played for Town - yet he was probably the slowest midfielder ever to play for Town. As you say, some players compensate for a lack of pace with a fine footballing brain. Back to Beckham - I think the showbiz side of his life hid the fact that he was so good at times. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Dec 4, 2022 13:43:52 GMT 1
Probably best for both parties. Carlos knows he can get a tune out of him whereas MF played him in his first game at Reading, wasn't happy with what he saw, froze him out & publicly outed him in press conferences. He's even picked squads with no recognised midfielders on the bench rather than putting Russell in.
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Post by ritchie on Dec 4, 2022 13:44:31 GMT 1
Agree, think beckham was underrated as a footballer because of his fame
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Post by ldotm on Dec 4, 2022 13:53:06 GMT 1
Let’s hope if we sell him to West Brom they pay as you buy as opposed to generous 6 yr payment plan for grant. Very few football clubs or businesses for that matter, pay upfront in a purchase |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Dec 4, 2022 14:03:11 GMT 1
“Limited natural talent”?! Christ on a bike. The bloke revolutionised how free kicks were taken. Adidas moddled a boot on him. Someone named a film after his ability. And kids around the world practised what he did. You’ll not see anyone strike a ball cleaner or have the vision of pass in the game right now. Zidane, at Real Madrid, said he had the best right boot in the world and he couldn’t do what Beckham could. He didn’t need pace (though he was quicker than people give him credit for). Good debate. I agree re his lack of pace. Many of us consider Mooy to be the finest midfielder who has played for Town - yet he was probably the slowest midfielder ever to play for Town. As you say, some players compensate for a lack of pace with a fine footballing brain. Back to Beckham - I think the showbiz side of his life hid the fact that he was so good at times. The player in the thread title makes Mooy look like an Olympic sprinter. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Dec 4, 2022 14:21:34 GMT 1
Agree, think beckham was underrated as a footballer because of his fame Excellent point. He also had an unparalleled work ethic. He was a magnificent player and role model for how players should approach the game. That he managed to pull it off, whilst being the highest profile player since George Best, was extraordinary. |
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Post by mosher on Dec 4, 2022 14:36:15 GMT 1
Agree, think beckham was underrated as a footballer because of his fame Excellent point. He also had an unparalleled work ethic. He was a magnificent player and role model for how players should approach the game.That he managed to pull it off, whilst being the highest profile player since George Best, was extraordinary. No matter how much I think he was over rated this i 100% agree on  |
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Post by willhudd on Dec 4, 2022 15:02:52 GMT 1
Well back to Russell being linked with a bargain fee move to West brom
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Post by prepare on Dec 4, 2022 15:22:52 GMT 1
Well back to Russell being linked with a bargain fee move to West brom agree and has iscontract runs outst the end of the season we will get a minimum fee for him but if he doesn’t want to be here get shut |
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 4, 2022 15:35:12 GMT 1
Well back to Russell being linked with a bargain fee move to West brom agree and has iscontract runs outst the end of the season we will get a minimum fee for him but if he doesn’t want to be here get shutTotally. If the rumours of him downing tools are true.. and the way he's been totally left out by a manager who openly says he picks his match day squad based on the effort and commitment they put into training suggests it is...then get rid because he's of no use to us anyway. To be honest other lads have stepped up from the academy and surpassed him anyway. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Dec 4, 2022 15:52:45 GMT 1
Well back to Russell being linked with a bargain fee move to West brom agree and has iscontract runs outst the end of the season we will get a minimum fee for him but if he doesn’t want to be here get shutI wonder if it's the same case with Aaron Rowe because he doesn't seem to be getting a look-in either in the first team or the B team, unless he's injured again? |
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Post by araucaria on Dec 4, 2022 22:58:50 GMT 1
“Limited natural talent”?! Christ on a bike. The bloke revolutionised how free kicks were taken. Adidas moddled a boot on him. Someone named a film after his ability. And kids around the world practised what he did. You’ll not see anyone strike a ball cleaner or have the vision of pass in the game right now. Zidane, at Real Madrid, said he had the best right boot in the world and he couldn’t do what Beckham could. He didn’t need pace (though he was quicker than people give him credit for). Good debate. I agree re his lack of pace. Many of us consider Mooy to be the finest midfielder who has played for Town - yet he was probably the slowest midfielder ever to play for Town. As you say, some players compensate for a lack of pace with a fine footballing brain. Back to Beckham - I think the showbiz side of his life hid the fact that he was so good at times. Slowest midfielder ever to play for Town? You didn't see Chris Balderstone, did you? Ray Wilson said 'you could give him five yards start on a statue and the statue would win'. Balderstone was only the slowest I saw; ever is a long time and I suspect we've had slower. |
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Post by Tiro on Dec 5, 2022 14:51:12 GMT 1
Agree, think beckham was underrated as a footballer because of his fame Excellent point. He also had an unparalleled work ethic. He was a magnificent player and role model for how players should approach the game. That he managed to pull it off, whilst being the highest profile player since George Best, was extraordinary. The way he managed the attention and the vitriol and yet conducted himself was quite simply incredible. Let’s not forget, there was once a time when this countries ‘fans’ hung effigies of him from lamp posts and burnt him on fires. |
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Post by incognito on Dec 5, 2022 15:26:45 GMT 1
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Dec 6, 2022 2:46:06 GMT 1
In today's game Beckham would likely play wing back, and I think he'd have the work ethic to boss it. Not just in fitness but also dedication to the defensive duties.
All the talk of Gerrard and Lampard being incompatible, I think Becks playing wing back in a 4-3-3 would have solved a lot of headaches.
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 6, 2022 8:12:04 GMT 1
I always used to say that about Beckham, one of the most one-footed over-rated players going. Incredible, incredible dead ball specialist, but half the time couldn't cross the ball accurately while in play, no pace, couldn't beat full backs to the byline with skill so over-relied on trying to curl the ball around them. In essence, a rich man's Sorba (apart from the pace bit), but Sorba wasn't around to compare back then  Still think Neymar beats him as THE most over-rated though! If it's wingers that are shit at crossing you're after, I give you the Welsh wife beater, Ryan Giggs. I never got the hype around him. |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 6, 2022 8:14:43 GMT 1
I'm sorry but to mention Beckham in the same breath as Bobby Charlton seems stretching it a bit. Remember the general view on Beckham before the Greece game eg when "the spoilt over-rated child" was sent off etc ? That free kick against Greece made him an instant hero and changed things around totally. His brilliant marketing and BrandBecks means he's probably taken more from football than any player ever. Somebody reckoned that he'd made more money and celebrity than Pele,Bekenbauer and Charlton put together. A very very good player, never a great one (read Shearer's comments), but goodness me the PR/marketing behind him IS world class. Alex Pritchard probably made more money out of football than Pele, Beckenbauer and Charlton. Things were different then. |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 6, 2022 8:16:54 GMT 1
Look at his list of famous clubs he’s played for.. We’re they all wrong to hire him?? Name me another English man that won the league in 4 different countries?? His trophy cabinet is overflowing.. Worked hard.. Made the best of his talents..Great after football business success.. Married a spice girl.. He must be wondering where it all went wrong.. 🤣🤣 Still nothing in there to negate how over rated he was. Bold bit: Yes he made MORE than the best of his talents, which I definitely applaud him for, so many have wasted more talent than he had. And what's his love life and business ventures got to do with how talented he was? AND he married the least talented (and least hot IMO) Spice Girl too Least hot ? She was the best looking one by miles 🤨 |
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Post by workshyfop on Dec 6, 2022 8:24:16 GMT 1
I'm sorry but to mention Beckham in the same breath as Bobby Charlton seems stretching it a bit. Remember the general view on Beckham before the Greece game eg when "the spoilt over-rated child" was sent off etc ? That free kick against Greece made him an instant hero and changed things around totally. His brilliant marketing and BrandBecks means he's probably taken more from football than any player ever. Somebody reckoned that he'd made more money and celebrity than Pele,Bekenbauer and Charlton put together. A very very good player, never a great one (read Shearer's comments), but goodness me the PR/marketing behind him IS world class. Alex Pritchard probably made more money out of football than Pele, Beckenbauer and Charlton. Things were different then. What a depressing thought, but probably correct. I read that the average Premier League salary is now over £3m a year. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Dec 6, 2022 9:45:02 GMT 1
I'm sorry but to mention Beckham in the same breath as Bobby Charlton seems stretching it a bit. Remember the general view on Beckham before the Greece game eg when "the spoilt over-rated child" was sent off etc ? That free kick against Greece made him an instant hero and changed things around totally. His brilliant marketing and BrandBecks means he's probably taken more from football than any player ever. Somebody reckoned that he'd made more money and celebrity than Pele,Bekenbauer and Charlton put together. A very very good player, never a great one (read Shearer's comments), but goodness me the PR/marketing behind him IS world class. Alex Pritchard probably made more money out of football than Pele, Beckenbauer and Charlton. Things were different then. Charlton definitely, but Pele? I thought he was famous for being the first player to really capitalise on himself as a brand. Or is it just because of this Simpsons clip |
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Post by mosher on Dec 6, 2022 9:49:33 GMT 1
Still nothing in there to negate how over rated he was. Bold bit: Yes he made MORE than the best of his talents, which I definitely applaud him for, so many have wasted more talent than he had. And what's his love life and business ventures got to do with how talented he was? AND he married the least talented (and least hot IMO) Spice Girl too Least hot ? She was the best looking one by miles 🤨 Do you want to borrow my glasses? Skinny, figureless, mornjy, sour faced, stuck up looking are all how I would describe her. But that's the amazing thing about attraction, everyone's tastes are different. Was always Emma (Baby) Bunton for me, which is unusual as I don't normally go for the bland blonde look. Then Scary, then Sporty, then Ginger and finally Posh. Although I'm not saying I'd kick her out of bed for farting like |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 6, 2022 10:36:54 GMT 1
Least hot ? She was the best looking one by miles 🤨 Do you want to borrow my glasses? Skinny, figureless, mornjy, sour faced, stuck up looking are all how I would describe her. But that's the amazing thing about attraction, everyone's tastes are different. Was always Emma (Baby) Bunton for me, which is unusual as I don't normally go for the bland blonde look. Then Scary, then Sporty, then Ginger and finally Posh. Although I'm not saying I'd kick her out of bed for farting like Liked just for using the word “mornjy” Don’t often see that these day’s but a good description of her! |
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Post by morrisraspass on Dec 6, 2022 10:43:13 GMT 1
Alex Pritchard probably made more money out of football than Pele, Beckenbauer and Charlton. Things were different then. Charlton definitely, but Pele? I thought he was famous for being the first player to really capitalise on himself as a brand. Or is it just because of this Simpsons clip No, the Simpsons are spot on. Pele put his name to pretty much anything for a spell, including Viagra. I remember the tagline "Keepy uppy pills" |
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Post by Macduff on Dec 6, 2022 10:45:16 GMT 1
Let's have an interesting debate. Mornjy or Maunjy? Seen them both on here. Second one for me. Maybe a poll is required.
And for those older ones among us, which Beverly sister did you prefer?
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 6, 2022 10:46:32 GMT 1
Least hot ? She was the best looking one by miles 🤨 Do you want to borrow my glasses? Skinny, figureless, mornjy, sour faced, stuck up looking are all how I would describe her. But that's the amazing thing about attraction, everyone's tastes are different. Was always Emma (Baby) Bunton for me, which is unusual as I don't normally go for the bland blonde look. Then Scary, then Sporty, then Ginger and finally Posh. Although I'm not saying I'd kick her out of bed for farting like You've named them in exactly the opposite order to what I would 😁 |
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Post by 3Pipe on Dec 6, 2022 10:46:52 GMT 1
Maunjy
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Post by 3Pipe on Dec 6, 2022 10:48:22 GMT 1
Posh
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