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Post by nuro on Dec 30, 2022 8:25:54 GMT 1
From the Playoff positions! Wembley beckons once again!
Happy New Year
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 30, 2022 9:32:47 GMT 1
That’s some stat that. Ridiculous from being 7 points from safety was it?.
Lot of work to do yet and I am certainly not getting carried away.
We have a fighting chance though.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Dec 30, 2022 10:44:37 GMT 1
Keep this up and Dean will be refusing to sell us again!
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Post by runner76 on Dec 30, 2022 10:49:37 GMT 1
Just over the halfway season point and just on the points average that would, usually, be enough to keep a team up. With some injured players coming back and the management (hopefully) starting to fully bed in and get a style of play that is successful, we might just see ourselves pulled into a safe position before the last games of the season.
Play offs? Would need to bring in one or more strikers in January who can bag 20 + goals for that to be a reality IMO!
Crazy league this is.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Dec 30, 2022 11:01:01 GMT 1
If we make the play offs I’ll bear my arse on the Town Hall balcony…
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 30, 2022 11:01:09 GMT 1
Hang on! I thought we were as good as down already and planning for League 1 with no chance of survival?
A few of the hysterical knee jerkers will be putting their white flags back in the cupboard after the last couple of games!
Everyone always seems surprised by this division, no matter how many seasons we're in it and how many times it surprises you!
Its the Championship..probably the most competitive division there is,, possibly in the world. The difference between those at the top end and those at the bottom end is so minimal. A players form.. an injury or two..a bit of confidence.
10 games ago we drew at Middlesbrough.. a result that didnt really improve either clubs struggle to get away from the bottom. From memory think the clubs were 3rd and 4th bottom. WBA were 2nd bottom ?
Boro are in the play off positions today! WBA are 7th ..Just 10 games later!
Thats the championship ... string a few results together and you fly up the table.
Maybe its our turn next now that the injury situation has eased a lot and we arent facing an extremely tough run of fixtures?
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Dec 30, 2022 11:06:18 GMT 1
One of the stark things this year is the GD stats, or at least it looks stark.
13 of the teams are in negative territory, and of the 11 in positive territory, most are in small single figures.
I tried to find a site that offers you comparisons but couldn’t find one. (didn’t try very hard)
I’d imagine that would be an interesting comparison to last season.
Edit to say that I realised that going back to Towns results on the BBC shows you the table after each game. On the 30th Dec last yr, after we’d just beaten Forest in our 25th game, the gap between the 6th placed team (us) and the 22nd placed, was 20 points.
So a very open contest this year it would appear, unless you support Burnley or the Blades.
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Post by aksaiblue on Dec 30, 2022 11:12:32 GMT 1
Safety first is the priority
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Post by runner76 on Dec 30, 2022 11:25:27 GMT 1
Safety first is the priority ....and ideally safe before we enter that last run of games...... |
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Post by runner76 on Dec 30, 2022 11:29:49 GMT 1
this time last season we were on 36 points and just in play offs.....exactly where we would be this year on exactly the same points. FYI.
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 30, 2022 11:47:11 GMT 1
this time last season we were on 36 points and just in play offs.....exactly where we would be this year on exactly the same points. FYI. Another interesting stat, so basically from what was reported as a brilliant season against what’s is being reported as a shocking season (to date) is 11 points at the same stage. 3 wins and two draws. That right there is the Championship for you. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Dec 30, 2022 11:51:24 GMT 1
I'll be happy with 21st.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 30, 2022 11:57:08 GMT 1
this time last season we were on 36 points and just in play offs.....exactly where we would be this year on exactly the same points. FYI. Another interesting stat, so basically from what was reported as a brilliant season against what’s is being reported as a shocking season (to date) is 11 points at the same stage. 3 wins and two draws. That right there is the Championship for you. 11 points difference but we'd also played a game more so could be as little as 8 points difference in reality between last seasons glory under Carlos and this seasons wrist slitting shit show under Fotheringham at the same stage. Which baring in mind the injuries weve had to contend with, whereas we barely had any last season, also shows what the championship is all about. |
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 30, 2022 11:58:12 GMT 1
Hang on! I thought we were as good as down already and planning for League 1 with no chance of survival? A few of the hysterical knee jerkers will be putting their white flags back in the cupboard after the last couple of games! Everyone always seems surprised by this division, no matter how many seasons we're in it and how many times it surprises you! Its the Championship..probably the most competitive division there is,, possibly in the world. The difference between those at the top end and those at the bottom end is so minimal. A players form.. an injury or two..a bit of confidence. 10 games ago we drew at Middlesbrough.. a result that didnt really improve either clubs struggle to get away from the bottom. From memory think the clubs were 3rd and 4th bottom. WBA were 2nd bottom ? Boro are in the play off positions today! WBA are 7th ..Just 10 games later! Thats the championship ... string a few results together and you fly up the table. Maybe its our turn next now that the injury situation has eased a lot and we arent facing an extremely tough run of fixtures? Much of the talk was cause for pessimism though. As well as being bottom, we also weren't going to invest in January. Rhodes and Holmes out, Kamberi (who was reportedly not good enough in Lg1) coming in to replace. Cutting the wage bill ready for a new owner to rebuild seemed a higher priority than staying up. Honestly, I still think we're more likely to go down than stay up, but whether I still feel the same way once the transfer window closes is another matter. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 30, 2022 12:03:06 GMT 1
Another interesting stat, so basically from what was reported as a brilliant season against what’s is being reported as a shocking season (to date) is 11 points at the same stage. 3 wins and two draws. That right there is the Championship for you. 11 points difference but we'd also played a game more so could be as little as 8 points difference in reality between last seasons glory under Carlos and this seasons wrist slitting shit show under Fotheringham at the same stage. Which baring in mind the injuries weve had to contend with, whereas we barely had any last season, also shows what the championship is all about. And Fotheringham doesn’t have Premier League Players O’Brien and Toffolo or on a separate note Nabby Sarr (still think that was one of the worst decisions I have seen down there and there are loads to choose from). And Colwill of course. What would he have achieved results wise if you added these four in to the current squad?. I would say at least 8 points better off, easily. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 30, 2022 12:14:20 GMT 1
Doubt anyone will be investing in January. They rarely do to any extent unless they sell a key player.
Id be far more concerned about staying up if I was a supporter of some of the other sides down near the bottom.
Last 10 games , weve had easily the toughest run of fixtures of all of them but done better regardless.. considerably better in most cases...
Town 14 points
Hull 13 points ( but 1 win in 8 )
Blackpool 6 points ( 0 wins in 8 )
Rotherham 6 points ( 1 win in 11 )
Bristol 7 points ( 1 win in 10 )
Wigan 5 points ( 1 win in 12 )
Cardiff 10 points ( 1 win in 8 )
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 30, 2022 12:15:36 GMT 1
11 points difference but we'd also played a game more so could be as little as 8 points difference in reality between last seasons glory under Carlos and this seasons wrist slitting shit show under Fotheringham at the same stage. Which baring in mind the injuries weve had to contend with, whereas we barely had any last season, also shows what the championship is all about. And Fotheringham doesn’t have Premier League Players O’Brien and Toffolo or on a separate note Nabby Sarr (still think that was one of the worst decisions I have seen down there and there are loads to choose from). And Colwill of course. What would he have achieved results wise if you added these four in to the current squad?. I would say at least 8 points better off, easily. Or indeed a bang on form Sorba Thomas, who was key to the success corborans team had. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 30, 2022 12:17:24 GMT 1
And Fotheringham doesn’t have Premier League Players O’Brien and Toffolo or on a separate note Nabby Sarr (still think that was one of the worst decisions I have seen down there and there are loads to choose from). And Colwill of course. What would he have achieved results wise if you added these four in to the current squad?. I would say at least 8 points better off, easily. Or indeed a bang on form Sorba Thomas, who was key to the success corborans team had. I nearly added him to the list of four for the reason you state. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 30, 2022 12:59:31 GMT 1
See how we do against a strong Luton side?
Then move on.
I cant look further ahead than the next game in this division, never have been able to given the ups and downs of 90% of the teams in it.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 30, 2022 13:09:33 GMT 1
Luton will be a very tough game against a side bang on form after two wins against Norwich and QPR.
A good time to play Rotherham last night, but probably not a great time to play Luton.
But they should be thinking the same thing about us.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 30, 2022 13:12:26 GMT 1
Luton will be a very tough game against a side bang on form after two wins against Norwich and QPR. A good time to play Rotherham last night, but probably not a great time to play Luton. But they should be thinking the same thing about us. Go long and squeeze. See how we deal with it. We dont do bad against the tactic usually?? We did ok with it in the 4 games last season and they dont seem to have changed much? |
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Post by conman on Dec 30, 2022 13:16:58 GMT 1
Always the crazy league , but this season is even crazier . 3 points separate Sunderland in 4th place and Preston in 14th.
Still got my top half bet going at 25/1 , and noticed 250/1 for a top 6 finish (wonder how many Forest fans had that last season) ?
I invested a 10p wager on top 6 finish , so the odds could have dropped considerably 😁
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 30, 2022 16:21:39 GMT 1
Luton will be a very tough game against a side bang on form after two wins against Norwich and QPR. A good time to play Rotherham last night, but probably not a great time to play Luton. But they should be thinking the same thing about us. Win this and we can see a chink of light. Time to get behind our team. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 30, 2022 16:26:05 GMT 1
this time last season we were on 36 points and just in play offs.....exactly where we would be this year on exactly the same points. FYI. Another interesting stat, so basically from what was reported as a brilliant season against what’s is being reported as a shocking season (to date) is 11 points at the same stage. 3 wins and two draws. That right there is the Championship for you. 11 points is a chasm in the Championship. I think (though haven’t checked) that we were less than 11 points from the play offs when we nearly got relegated on the final day of the 2012/13 season |
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Post by sabailand on Dec 30, 2022 16:30:15 GMT 1
Hang on! I thought we were as good as down already and planning for League 1 with no chance of survival? A few of the hysterical knee jerkers will be putting their white flags back in the cupboard after the last couple of games! Everyone always seems surprised by this division, no matter how many seasons we're in it and how many times it surprises you! Its the Championship..probably the most competitive division there is,, possibly in the world. The difference between those at the top end and those at the bottom end is so minimal. A players form.. an injury or two..a bit of confidence. 10 games ago we drew at Middlesbrough.. a result that didnt really improve either clubs struggle to get away from the bottom. From memory think the clubs were 3rd and 4th bottom. WBA were 2nd bottom ? Boro are in the play off positions today! WBA are 7th ..Just 10 games later! Thats the championship ... string a few results together and you fly up the table. Maybe its our turn next now that the injury situation has eased a lot and we arent facing an extremely tough run of fixtures? Agree with most of that Slapps, but your last line, its the championship so is there such a thing as a tough or easier run of fixtures, in the past we've come through a tough looking set of games with more points than we could have dreamed of, and others in which a points feast has been anticipated, but got near as nowt. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 30, 2022 16:34:03 GMT 1
10 points off a play off spot at the end of 12/13,,,11 when you factor in GD. Amazing when you think with 10 minutes of the season to go we were going down!
It can be a chasm in terms of league position.. but its also only a short run of improved results... as Boro and WBA have demonstrated .
Just noticed, if Luton had won their game in hand , they'd currently be 3rd.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Dec 30, 2022 16:35:28 GMT 1
Another interesting stat, so basically from what was reported as a brilliant season against what’s is being reported as a shocking season (to date) is 11 points at the same stage. 3 wins and two draws. That right there is the Championship for you. 11 points is a chasm in the Championship. I think (though haven’t checked) that we were less than 11 points from the play offs when we nearly got relegated on the final day of the 2012/13 season it was 10 points |
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 30, 2022 16:38:54 GMT 1
Hang on! I thought we were as good as down already and planning for League 1 with no chance of survival? A few of the hysterical knee jerkers will be putting their white flags back in the cupboard after the last couple of games! Everyone always seems surprised by this division, no matter how many seasons we're in it and how many times it surprises you! Its the Championship..probably the most competitive division there is,, possibly in the world. The difference between those at the top end and those at the bottom end is so minimal. A players form.. an injury or two..a bit of confidence. 10 games ago we drew at Middlesbrough.. a result that didnt really improve either clubs struggle to get away from the bottom. From memory think the clubs were 3rd and 4th bottom. WBA were 2nd bottom ? Boro are in the play off positions today! WBA are 7th ..Just 10 games later! Thats the championship ... string a few results together and you fly up the table. Maybe its our turn next now that the injury situation has eased a lot and we arent facing an extremely tough run of fixtures? Agree with most of that Slapps, but your last line, its the championship so is there such a thing as a tough or easier run of fixtures, in the past we've come through a tough looking set of games with more points than we could have dreamed of, and others in which a points feast has been anticipated, but got near as nowt. That is true. One thing you always struggle to do is predict results in this division.. Its why its so good IMO. I honestly dont think there are big differences between the teams.. the key factor is confidence. Winning breeds winning. Any team can get on a roll and fly up the table. No reason why we cant. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 30, 2022 16:51:52 GMT 1
Always the crazy league , but this season is even crazier . 3 points separate Sunderland in 4th place and Preston in 14th. Still got my top half bet going at 25/1 , and noticed 250/1 for a top 6 finish (wonder how many Forest fans had that last season) ? I invested a 10p wager on top 6 finish , so the odds could have dropped considerably 😁 Though your optimism is commendable, I wouldn’t bet a penny that we’ll finish in the top 18 this season, never mind the top 12 or top 6. |
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Post by shawsie on Dec 30, 2022 16:52:42 GMT 1
Agree with most of that Slapps, but your last line, its the championship so is there such a thing as a tough or easier run of fixtures, in the past we've come through a tough looking set of games with more points than we could have dreamed of, and others in which a points feast has been anticipated, but got near as nowt. That is true. One thing you always struggle to do is predict results in this division.. Its why its so good IMO. I honestly dont think there are big differences between the teams.. the key factor is confidence. Winning breeds winning. Any team can get on a roll and fly up the table. No reason why we cant. Agree with your sentiment slapps but i do think the doom and gloom was down to the fact we werent scoring or even creating much. As soon as you cause teams problems and are relatively tight defensively results come. A long way to go but the sense of relief that we can win games again was palpable last night. |
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