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Post by 3Pipe on Jan 14, 2023 21:25:34 GMT 1
Diarra robbed his wage today. Total fkn passenger. Not keen are ya ? Never fails to underwhelm me but today provided no outlet at all, zero ball retention, zero control, half-arsed closing down of the opposition, just a complete waste of a shirt. Whilst he wasn't at fault for the goal, he should be ashamed of his non-contribution today. I was more than disappointed with his lack of contribution and absolute zero effectiveness. |
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Post by dalelaneterrier on Jan 14, 2023 21:29:17 GMT 1
Just back from match and it feels like a defeat.
First half I didn't think Hull were in the game and we looked comfortable.
Pearson slotted in like he'd played all season.
Two good chances - one that their keeper saved and one deflected over the bar by a defender- and if either one of those had gone in we'd probably have walked away with all 3 points.
Second half I thought our tactics changed when Rudoni went off and our midfield became non existent,no one put their foot on the ball and we just sat too deep all the second half and invited pressure onto the defence.
However- having seen out 7 minutes of 6 minutes of injury time!! Bilopakic kicked the ball out of his hands - it looked to me like everyone expected the ref to blow for full time,he didn't and the whole team switched off and got caught napping.
Only my take on it & I still think we'll do enough to stay up.
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Post by dalelaneterrier on Jan 14, 2023 21:29:37 GMT 1
Just back from match and it feels like a defeat.
First half I didn't think Hull were in the game and we looked comfortable.
Pearson slotted in like he'd played all season.
Two good chances - one that their keeper saved and one deflected over the bar by a defender- and if either one of those had gone in we'd probably have walked away with all 3 points.
Second half I thought our tactics changed when Rudoni went off and our midfield became non existent,no one put their foot on the ball and we just sat too deep all the second half and invited pressure onto the defence.
However- having seen out 7 minutes of 6 minutes of injury time!! Bilopakic kicked the ball out of his hands - it looked to me like everyone expected the ref to blow for full time,he didn't and the whole team switched off and got caught napping.
Only my take on it & I still think we'll do enough to stay up.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 14, 2023 21:30:08 GMT 1
Never fails to underwhelm me but today provided no outlet at all, zero ball retention, zero control, half-arsed closing down of the opposition, just a complete waste of a shirt. Whilst he wasn't at fault for the goal, he should be ashamed of his non-contribution today. I was more than disappointed with his lack of contribution and absolute zero effectiveness. He's a young attacking midfielder who's asked to come on & play part of a deep block to try and defend a lead. Wrong substitution. He came on against Preston when we're chasing the game. Right substitution. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 14, 2023 21:32:52 GMT 1
How's the second half been for you? Seconds from a hard earned 3 points. Better than a lot of games I have watched this season. Its too much like hard work, we make it hard. You can earn a result without spending the second half in your own half and 18 yard box. The law of averages, especially for average football teams, is working against us. The percentages tell you that if enough balls come into your box and you have dropped off so far for so long there are plenty of opponents in there, something will drop close enough for them to have a very good opportunity, like today. You can defend manfully with great determination but the percentages will eventually go against you, had he missed today the way we defended was still not good. I always take 3 points as a good result, the performace and tactics are different simply because they dont work well enough as often enough as we are going to need them to, given we have goalscoring issues. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 14, 2023 21:35:18 GMT 1
A point gained or 2 thrown away ? Read my previous post again, slowly. So we throw away a win and you think its a positive. No wonder you stick up for Buzz 🙄 |
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Post by 3Pipe on Jan 14, 2023 21:41:09 GMT 1
Never fails to underwhelm me but today provided no outlet at all, zero ball retention, zero control, half-arsed closing down of the opposition, just a complete waste of a shirt. Whilst he wasn't at fault for the goal, he should be ashamed of his non-contribution today. I was more than disappointed with his lack of contribution and absolute zero effectiveness. He's a young attacking midfielder who's asked to come on & play part of a deep block to try and defend a lead. Wrong substitution. He came on against Preston when we're chasing the game. Right substitution. Wrong substitution alright. Incredibly overrated player on here. That was a pathetic cameo today, to be so far behind the pace of the game with fresh legs too. Not good. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 21:42:11 GMT 1
Do you not think that the dropping deeper is as much to do with the nervous players as the coach? Of the 7 subs one was a defender, one keeper, a defensive midfielder and 4 attacking players. The team hung on trying to keep the points and the ref played the 6 minutes and then another 3. 9 minutes added on time. If we had hung on it would have been a great defensive performance. Bloody fine lines. It is fine lines. But the problem is, I don’t think he has the experience or the tactical acumen for the players to trust him. So they defaulted to dropping deep rather than being brave, which is what a difference coach might have encouraged them to do. It happened under Carlos. How many games have we watched, long before MF, when we have dropped deeper and deeper. It happens more when you are at the bottom because the result matters so much more and your confidence is low. Pluses are Pearson back and Hogg looking like he has shaken off his injury, and it is a point away from home. I hope the new players help us to do better in the final third. I think Knockaert will help us pin teams back more. |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Jan 14, 2023 21:43:01 GMT 1
Why do refs rarely blow up at the allotted time rather than wait for ball to go out of play or get hoofed into the air. Happens all the time.
Pretty sure it’s not in the rules.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 21:47:53 GMT 1
He's a young attacking midfielder who's asked to come on & play part of a deep block to try and defend a lead. Wrong substitution. He came on against Preston when we're chasing the game. Right substitution. Wrong substitution alright. Incredibly overrated player on here. That was a pathetic cameo today, to be so far behind the pace of the game with fresh legs too. Not good. Regarding the substitution it was him, Thomas or Kamberi. None of them are holding players so, given the bench, MF was a bit stuck. Kamberi hasn't played much and Thomas has been off his game, so Diarra was probably the best choice. You had a go at him pretty much from him coming on. Defending a lead is not his game. Firing the front line to get a winner or get us back level is where he is good. A real shame, given what they all put in today, that you decided to pick on Diarra. |
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Post by htfcterry on Jan 14, 2023 21:52:24 GMT 1
Why do refs rarely blow up at the allotted time rather than wait for ball to go out of play or get hoofed into the air. Happens all the time. Pretty sure it’s not in the rules. Can’t blame ref for this. Hogg was down for a minute or so on 92 minutes |
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Post by 3Pipe on Jan 14, 2023 21:58:52 GMT 1
Regarding the substitution it was him, Thomas or Kamberi. None of them are holding players so, given the bench, MF was a bit stuck. Kamberi hasn't played much and Thomas has been off his game, so Diarra was probably the best choice. You had a go at him pretty much from him coming on. Defending a lead is not his game. Firing the front line to get a winner or get us back level is where he is good. A real shame, given what they all put in today, that you decided to pick on Diarra. Thomas was the right substitution. I wasn't 'having a go' at him pretty much from coming on, I was pointing out how utterly pathetic and off the pace of the game he was from coming on. Utter waste of a shirt. Didn't do one thing right. After a few minutes of constantly giving the ball away he went into can't be arsed mode. If you're not prepared to roll your sleeves up for the team and dig in then fuck off. |
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Post by boooothy on Jan 14, 2023 22:03:53 GMT 1
I’m gutted about this one but it’ll be soon forgotten if we win next week. Big game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 22:07:01 GMT 1
Regarding the substitution it was him, Thomas or Kamberi. None of them are holding players so, given the bench, MF was a bit stuck. Kamberi hasn't played much and Thomas has been off his game, so Diarra was probably the best choice. You had a go at him pretty much from him coming on. Defending a lead is not his game. Firing the front line to get a winner or get us back level is where he is good. A real shame, given what they all put in today, that you decided to pick on Diarra. Thomas was the right substitution. I wasn't 'having a go' at him pretty much from coming on, I was pointing out how utterly pathetic and off the pace of the game he was from coming on. Utter waste of a shirt. Didn't do one thing right. After a few minutes of constantly giving the ball away he went into can't be arsed mode. If you're not prepared to roll your sleeves up for the team and dig in then fuck off. Well he may not have played well when he came on but that reaction is completely over the top. We all hate droping points like that but laying into a 19 year old lad like that for a poor 20 minutes on the pitch is really poor. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Jan 14, 2023 22:09:14 GMT 1
I’m gutted about this one but it’ll be soon forgotten if we win next week. Big game. From when I looked the other day, this was the first of four hugely winnable, hugely important games. That would have been an excellent 3 points today, such a shame we fell at the last hurdle. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 14, 2023 22:12:52 GMT 1
I’m gutted about this one but it’ll be soon forgotten if we win next week. Big game. From when I looked the other day, this was the first of four hugely winnable, hugely important games. That would have been an excellent 3 points today, such a shame we fell at the last hurdle. We've thrown away leads in our last 3 games due to Fotheringham's bizarre substitutions & tactics. |
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Post by hthp on Jan 14, 2023 22:16:59 GMT 1
Read my previous post again, slowly. So we throw away a win and you think its a positive. No wonder you stick up for Buzz 🙄 I think he's an utter clown, but unlike some on here, I don't use every opportunity to have a pop at him. A point in our situation is a good point. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Jan 14, 2023 22:18:30 GMT 1
Well he may not have played well when he came on but that reaction is completely over the top. We all hate droping points like that but laying into a 19 year old lad like that for a poor 20 minutes on the pitch is really poor. We'll have to disagree, sir. Admirable in a way that you are trying to defend him but defending mediocrity won't keep us up. I hope someone took him to one side tonight and told him in no uncertain terms how unacceptable his zero contribution was today and how he has to be much, much better than that. Mediocrity won't keep us up and defending mediocrity won't keep us up. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 14, 2023 22:21:10 GMT 1
So we throw away a win and you think its a positive. No wonder you stick up for Buzz 🙄 I think he's an utter clown, but unlike some on here, I don't use every opportunity to have a pop at him. A point in our situation is a good point. It's not though, is it? We were two points from safety before today, we're now three points adrift. A good point is when you make up ground or don't lose ground. |
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Post by hthp on Jan 14, 2023 22:24:47 GMT 1
I think he's an utter clown, but unlike some on here, I don't use every opportunity to have a pop at him. A point in our situation is a good point. It's not though, is it? We were two points from safety before today, we're now three points adrift. A good point is when you make up ground or don't lose ground. Okay. |
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Post by 28901 on Jan 14, 2023 22:29:06 GMT 1
Never fails to underwhelm me but today provided no outlet at all, zero ball retention, zero control, half-arsed closing down of the opposition, just a complete waste of a shirt. Whilst he wasn't at fault for the goal, he should be ashamed of his non-contribution today. I was more than disappointed with his lack of contribution and absolute zero effectiveness. He's a young attacking midfielder who's asked to come on & play part of a deep block to try and defend a lead. Wrong substitution. He came on against Preston when we're chasing the game. Right substitution. This Manager made wrong sub |
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Post by 3Pipe on Jan 14, 2023 22:29:18 GMT 1
We've thrown away leads in our last 3 games due to Fotheringham's bizarre substitutions & tactics. I'm not disagreeing with you but the FA Cup was always low priority and Luton were always going to come back at us. As were Hull with the changes they were able to make off the bench. I pointed out an instance today where we cleared our lines after a corner and instead of pushing up and gaining a few much needed yards, every Town player to a man just stayed in our box awaiting the ball to come straight back at them. It was bizarre. |
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Post by jakeg on Jan 14, 2023 22:47:08 GMT 1
Well he may not have played well when he came on but that reaction is completely over the top. We all hate droping points like that but laying into a 19 year old lad like that for a poor 20 minutes on the pitch is really poor. We'll have to disagree, sir. Admirable in a way that you are trying to defend him but defending mediocrity won't keep us up. I hope someone took him to one side tonight and told him in no uncertain terms how unacceptable his zero contribution was today and how he has to be much, much better than that. Mediocrity won't keep us up and defending mediocrity won't keep us up. I didn't see the game and if diarra didn't have a great contribution then I'm very sure the management will be reviewing that with him. I very much hope in a much more constructive way than calling a young kid thrown in 'unacceptable'. Why is that some can't discuss the merits of someone's performance without calling them a waste of a shirt. Strikes me that's a lack of a desire to debate and more an opportunity to belittle |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 22:55:24 GMT 1
Well he may not have played well when he came on but that reaction is completely over the top. We all hate droping points like that but laying into a 19 year old lad like that for a poor 20 minutes on the pitch is really poor. We'll have to disagree, sir. Admirable in a way that you are trying to defend him but defending mediocrity won't keep us up. I hope someone took him to one side tonight and told him in no uncertain terms how unacceptable his zero contribution was today and how he has to be much, much better than that. Mediocrity won't keep us up and defending mediocrity won't keep us up. I am sure he gets frank appraisals from the coaching staff and his teammates. Telling him he can fuck off after a poor 20 minutes on the pitch is just over the top. Criticism is fine but you really laid into the lad. He will have a part to play in helping us win games this season. |
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Post by alexdire on Jan 14, 2023 23:01:03 GMT 1
He's a young attacking midfielder who's asked to come on & play part of a deep block to try and defend a lead. Wrong substitution. He came on against Preston when we're chasing the game. Right substitution. Wrong substitution alright. Incredibly overrated player on here. That was a pathetic cameo today, to be so far behind the pace of the game with fresh legs too. Not good. I agree with you on the wrong substitution. We needed an outlet with someone to carry the ball into their corners. Diarra couldn't do it, I think Thomas could. |
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Post by linson on Jan 14, 2023 23:05:08 GMT 1
Player ratings please chaps
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Post by 3Pipe on Jan 14, 2023 23:09:19 GMT 1
I didn't see the game and if diarra didn't have a great contribution then I'm very sure the management will be reviewing that with him. I very much hope in a much more constructive way than calling a young kid thrown in 'unacceptable'. Why is that some can't discuss the merits of someone's performance without calling them a waste of a shirt. Strikes me that's a lack of a desire to debate and more an opportunity to belittle There was absolutely no merit in that 'performance' to discuss. That's the simple truth. If you do get to see the game, I'm willing to discuss whatever you like. And yes, I very much hope the management will be reviewing the game with him. 'Unacceptable' is pretty much the same in French as it is in English. As is 'pathetique'. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Jan 14, 2023 23:11:35 GMT 1
Player ratings please chaps Diarra 0 Bilo 8 Rest 5 to 7 |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 14, 2023 23:11:42 GMT 1
Regarding the substitution it was him, Thomas or Kamberi. None of them are holding players so, given the bench, MF was a bit stuck. Kamberi hasn't played much and Thomas has been off his game, so Diarra was probably the best choice. You had a go at him pretty much from him coming on. Defending a lead is not his game. Firing the front line to get a winner or get us back level is where he is good. A real shame, given what they all put in today, that you decided to pick on Diarra. Thomas was the right substitution. I wasn't 'having a go' at him pretty much from coming on, I was pointing out how utterly pathetic and off the pace of the game he was from coming on. Utter waste of a shirt. Didn't do one thing right. After a few minutes of constantly giving the ball away he went into can't be arsed mode. If you're not prepared to roll your sleeves up for the team and dig in then fuck off. You mean he did exactly what Sorba has done since the WC ? |
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Post by jakeg on Jan 14, 2023 23:19:43 GMT 1
I didn't see the game and if diarra didn't have a great contribution then I'm very sure the management will be reviewing that with him. I very much hope in a much more constructive way than calling a young kid thrown in 'unacceptable'. Why is that some can't discuss the merits of someone's performance without calling them a waste of a shirt. Strikes me that's a lack of a desire to debate and more an opportunity to belittle There was absolutely no merit in that 'performance' to discuss. That's the simple truth. If you do get to see the game, I'm willing to discuss whatever you like. And yes, I very much hope the management will be reviewing the game with him. 'Unacceptable' is pretty much the same in French as it is in English. As is 'pathetique'. The fact I haven't been able to see the game today is completely separate to an opinion (yes my opinion and you are entitled to yours) that ripping into a young kid with that sort of language isn't acceptable or in any way going to help the situation we are in. Debate whether it was the right sub, debate whether we defended the lead too deep, debate many things but I really really don't like the personal nature of some of the abuse at times on here. That's not a specific reference to you ...just in general this season, and I understand the reasons why, seems to have brought out the vitriol. I'm very sure diarra didn't mean to under perfom (taking your word that's actually the truth). I'm very sure fotheringham is trying to succeed. Why wouldn't he. Yes- completely valid to say someone played poorly or a manager made the wrong decision or isn't the solution. I just felt your specific way of explaining your frustration with todays game.wasnt fair....that's all. I'm.sure you would be as delighted as me for us to find ANY way out of this season without relegation. |
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