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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2023 15:23:28 GMT 1
For me the banner makes no sense and I'm not talking about the "Orcus" aspect of it.
The owner has released a statement stating he is actively looking for new ownership so has taken a step back. Since then there hasn't really been much of an update. Things I'd be critical about are probably lack of communication but again there may be good reason behind that given there will be a lot of privacy issues etc.
I know Maynard etc are clearly in the know, but I don't think supporters should be taking their word as gospel and be writing banners aimed at the boardroom when even the most in the know poster will not be privy to the most private board meetings.
If I was going to write a banner it would be "Fuck Off Mark", not that it would help or anything 😂
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 6, 2023 15:29:01 GMT 1
The vast vast majority of fans have been supporting this club a good while and whilst they obviously wont be happy about the struggles of this season, they dont see it as being totally 'unacceptable' for Town to be scrapping against relegation from the 2nd tier.. they've seen us do it many times before. I wondered how many holding up the ace orcus banner started going around 2016/17.. a season we had a large intake of new, younger fans? It is not totally unacceptable to be in a relegation fight but to get here from the position we were in last season, I believe that it is. The club decided in the summer that we have a good side, so we can loose the coach set on an inexperienced one to replace him with no consideration of what he brought to the team. On top of that you look at the transfers we made to weaken the team it became obvious that this is a self inflicted wound. We struggled and then we were told that the new coach had to be just right. Low and behold we get yet another inexperienced coach and surprisingly (not) we are still in the relegation zone. Come the January window and in the main we get old players that have not played a game for some time or injured. We drop the young players that have shown promise and bring straight in to the first team a returning player that could not get a game for another struggling team. We struggle to get a shot on target and play with a back 5 and a midfield packed with holding players. You may be willing to accept this but not everyone is. Theres always reasons why a club is struggling near the bottom of the table... bad decisions,... be they manager appointments, tactics, signings, whatever.... and maybe bad luck when it comes to injuries. Just like good decisions will see you up near the top of the table. It doesnt warrant protests unless you think being near the bottom is unacceptable... and seemingly a section of our fans, particularly the youngsters who probably got on board with Wagners arrival, see Town being where we are in the table as unacceptable to the point silly banners need holding up. I think most fans accept it.. they arent happy about it,, but they accept it |
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Post by goodbet on Feb 6, 2023 16:05:57 GMT 1
It is not totally unacceptable to be in a relegation fight but to get here from the position we were in last season, I believe that it is. The club decided in the summer that we have a good side, so we can loose the coach set on an inexperienced one to replace him with no consideration of what he brought to the team. On top of that you look at the transfers we made to weaken the team it became obvious that this is a self inflicted wound. We struggled and then we were told that the new coach had to be just right. Low and behold we get yet another inexperienced coach and surprisingly (not) we are still in the relegation zone. Come the January window and in the main we get old players that have not played a game for some time or injured. We drop the young players that have shown promise and bring straight in to the first team a returning player that could not get a game for another struggling team. We struggle to get a shot on target and play with a back 5 and a midfield packed with holding players. You may be willing to accept this but not everyone is. Theres always reasons why a club is struggling near the bottom of the table... bad decisions,... be they manager appointments, tactics, signings, whatever.... and maybe bad luck when it comes to injuries. Just like good decisions will see you up near the top of the table. It doesnt warrant protests unless you think being near the bottom is unacceptable... and seemingly a section of our fans, particularly the youngsters who probably got on board with Wagners arrival, see Town being where we are in the table as unacceptable to the point silly banners need holding up. I think most fans accept it.. they arent happy about it,, but they accept it I think that the majority of fans acknowledge where we are but are not demonstrating because the owner is trying to get out. |
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Post by hthp on Feb 6, 2023 16:10:03 GMT 1
If anything, the fans need to direct their protests towards the bloke in the dugout. He's clearly not good enough, he's clearly out of his depth, he's clearly delusional and the club aren't going to sack him, so the fans need to force him out.
Other clubs would have been venting their frustrations at him weeks ago, it's only our club that will just sit there and say nothing.
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Post by goodbet on Feb 6, 2023 16:24:40 GMT 1
If anything, the fans need to direct their protests towards the bloke in the dugout. He's clearly not good enough, he's clearly out of his depth, he's clearly delusional and the club aren't going to sack him, so the fans need to force him out. Other clubs would have been venting their frustrations at him weeks ago, it's only our club that will just sit there and say nothing. I just can't imagine that MF will resign because of any protests, Historically the way to remove any manager/coach is to protest against the board. |
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Post by harris on Feb 6, 2023 16:26:33 GMT 1
Jeopardised us doing well on the pitch You're mad if you think the players so much as noticed the banner, let alone stopped to read it, get offended, then play worse because of comments aimed at the club ownership. It added to a toxic atmosphere in a game we needed to win, particularly in the first half. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 6, 2023 16:26:51 GMT 1
Theres always reasons why a club is struggling near the bottom of the table... bad decisions,... be they manager appointments, tactics, signings, whatever.... and maybe bad luck when it comes to injuries. Just like good decisions will see you up near the top of the table. It doesnt warrant protests unless you think being near the bottom is unacceptable... and seemingly a section of our fans, particularly the youngsters who probably got on board with Wagners arrival, see Town being where we are in the table as unacceptable to the point silly banners need holding up. I think most fans accept it.. they arent happy about it,, but they accept it I think that the majority of fans acknowledge where we are but are not demonstrating because the owner is trying to get out. Well , theres no way the vast majority would demonstrate at all, but yeah that aswell. Seems a waste of time to demand something thats happening anyway. Id have thought the first target would be the manager with a round of 'you dont know what youre doing' etc etc, but not heard any of that myself yet. |
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Post by hthp on Feb 6, 2023 16:29:15 GMT 1
If anything, the fans need to direct their protests towards the bloke in the dugout. He's clearly not good enough, he's clearly out of his depth, he's clearly delusional and the club aren't going to sack him, so the fans need to force him out. Other clubs would have been venting their frustrations at him weeks ago, it's only our club that will just sit there and say nothing. I just can't imagine that MF will resign because of any protests, Historically the way to remove any manager/coach is to protest against the board. I can if his position is made untenable. Mark Robins resigned after a particularly toxic atmosphere, why not Mark Fotheringham? He needs to be forced out, the sooner the better. |
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Post by hthp on Feb 6, 2023 16:29:40 GMT 1
I think that the majority of fans acknowledge where we are but are not demonstrating because the owner is trying to get out. Well , theres no way the vast majority would demonstrate at all, but yeah that aswell. Seems a waste of time to demand something thats happening anyway. Id have thought the first target would be the manager with a round of 'you dont know what youre doing' etc etc, but not heard any of that myself yet.Riverside Lower in the first half on Saturday. |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Feb 6, 2023 16:29:49 GMT 1
You're mad if you think the players so much as noticed the banner, let alone stopped to read it, get offended, then play worse because of comments aimed at the club ownership. It added to a toxic atmosphere in a game we needed to win, particularly in the first half. No it didn't. Atmosphere was as it always is. Dont make things up. |
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Post by harris on Feb 6, 2023 16:31:05 GMT 1
It added to a toxic atmosphere in a game we needed to win, particularly in the first half. No it didn't. Atmosphere was as it always is. Dont make things up. I’m not making things up. I noticed it was a lot worse around me, I don’t sit in the Cowshed btw so can’t comment on what it was like in there. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 6, 2023 16:34:52 GMT 1
Well , theres no way the vast majority would demonstrate at all, but yeah that aswell. Seems a waste of time to demand something thats happening anyway. Id have thought the first target would be the manager with a round of 'you dont know what youre doing' etc etc, but not heard any of that myself yet.Riverside Lower in the first half on Saturday. Did they? Sound didnt carry over to the other side. |
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Post by Sio on Feb 6, 2023 16:39:19 GMT 1
No it didn't. Atmosphere was as it always is. Dont make things up. I’m not making things up. I noticed it was a lot worse around me, I don’t sit in the Cowshed btw so can’t comment on what it was like in there. I mean, maybe that's because of the state of the club rather than an (apparently) illegible banner. |
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Post by space hardware on Feb 6, 2023 16:49:05 GMT 1
Riverside Lower in the first half on Saturday. Did they? Sound didnt carry over to the other side. Certainly did, also in the upper tier. Don't worry though, I quickly assessed the age of these miscreants and established them to be merely youngsters who had jumped on the Wagner bandwagon back in 2016. What a bunch of entitled brats, I thought to myself. |
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Post by harris on Feb 6, 2023 16:49:36 GMT 1
I’m not making things up. I noticed it was a lot worse around me, I don’t sit in the Cowshed btw so can’t comment on what it was like in there. I mean, maybe that's because of the state of the club rather than an (apparently) illegible banner. Maybe, though I think a lot around me went to that game ready to boo and complain at every single pass we made, because of the talk of protest/banners and build up. In my opinion, the cowshed loyal got it wrong. It was a weak message aimed at those who want out, kept almost private to a group of 10/20 fans, poor timing, and negatively impacted on the atmosphere in the stadium (near me anyway), particularly in the first half. But just my opinion. I’m sure some will agree and some will disagree. |
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Post by hthp on Feb 6, 2023 16:56:09 GMT 1
Did they? Sound didnt carry over to the other side. Certainly did, also in the upper tier. Don't worry though, I quickly assessed the age of these miscreants and established them to be merely youngsters who had jumped on the Wagner bandwagon back in 2016. What a bunch of entitled brats, I thought to myself. I've been going far longer than that. |
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Post by space hardware on Feb 6, 2023 17:04:44 GMT 1
Certainly did, also in the upper tier. Don't worry though, I quickly assessed the age of these miscreants and established them to be merely youngsters who had jumped on the Wagner bandwagon back in 2016. What a bunch of entitled brats, I thought to myself. I've been going far longer than that. As have I 😉 |
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Post by hthp on Feb 6, 2023 17:14:02 GMT 1
I've been going far longer than that. As have I 😉 You pay your money, you can do what you want. You might want the manager to stay, but I want him out and said so. I'm a firm believer in voicing your concerns in the ground, rather than doing it on social media where no-one takes any notice. |
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Post by prepare on Feb 6, 2023 17:14:15 GMT 1
For me the banner makes no sense and I'm not talking about the "Orcus" aspect of it. The owner has released a statement stating he is actively looking for new ownership so has taken a step back. Since then there hasn't really been much of an update. Things I'd be critical about are probably lack of communication but again there may be good reason behind that given there will be a lot of privacy issues etc. I know Maynard etc are clearly in the know, but I don't think supporters should be taking their word as gospel and be writing banners aimed at the boardroom when even the most in the know poster will not be privy to the most private board meetings. If I was going to write a banner it would be "Fuck Off Mark", not that it would help or anything 😂 I don’t agree with your last two lines exactly but the rest of your post be is spot on and yes a interested party attended Saturdays game |
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Post by townian on Feb 6, 2023 17:36:29 GMT 1
Riverside Lower in the first half on Saturday. Did they? Sound didnt carry over to the other side. It didn't carry as far as the Riverside Lower! We were there and heard nothing. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 6, 2023 17:46:58 GMT 1
For me the banner makes no sense and I'm not talking about the "Orcus" aspect of it. The owner has released a statement stating he is actively looking for new ownership so has taken a step back. Since then there hasn't really been much of an update. Things I'd be critical about are probably lack of communication but again there may be good reason behind that given there will be a lot of privacy issues etc. I know Maynard etc are clearly in the know, but I don't think supporters should be taking their word as gospel and be writing banners aimed at the boardroom when even the most in the know poster will not be privy to the most private board meetings. If I was going to write a banner it would be "Fuck Off Mark", not that it would help or anything 😂 I don’t agree with your last two lines exactly but the rest of your post be is spot on and yes a interested party attended Saturdays game The poor sod would be more likely to be put off by the standard of football Buzz has us playing than any banner |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 6, 2023 18:15:15 GMT 1
For me the banner makes no sense and I'm not talking about the "Orcus" aspect of it. The owner has released a statement stating he is actively looking for new ownership so has taken a step back. Since then there hasn't really been much of an update. Things I'd be critical about are probably lack of communication but again there may be good reason behind that given there will be a lot of privacy issues etc. I know Maynard etc are clearly in the know, but I don't think supporters should be taking their word as gospel and be writing banners aimed at the boardroom when even the most in the know poster will not be privy to the most private board meetings. If I was going to write a banner it would be "Fuck Off Mark", not that it would help or anything 😂 Maybe Maynard is in board meetings? Noone knows their role... |
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Post by prepare on Feb 6, 2023 18:16:37 GMT 1
I don’t agree with your last two lines exactly but the rest of your post be is spot on and yes a interested party attended Saturdays game The poor sod would be more likely to be put off by the standard of football Buzz has us playing than any banner there were two of them!! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 6, 2023 18:43:37 GMT 1
Did they? Sound didnt carry over to the other side. Certainly did, also in the upper tier. Don't worry though, I quickly assessed the age of these miscreants and established them to be merely youngsters who had jumped on the Wagner bandwagon back in 2016. What a bunch of entitled brats, I thought to myself. Glad to know you can recognise entitlement! Not many on here can. How old were the kids,, sorry blokes,, holding up that banner in your opinion? |
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Post by rugbyterrier on Feb 6, 2023 18:46:45 GMT 1
The poor sod would be more likely to be put off by the standard of football Buzz has us playing than any banner there were two of them!! Laurel and Hardy? |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 6, 2023 18:52:26 GMT 1
The poor sod would be more likely to be put off by the standard of football Buzz has us playing than any banner there were two of them!! The other one would be put of by the football too then 🙄 |
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Post by goodbet on Feb 6, 2023 19:06:45 GMT 1
Certainly did, also in the upper tier. Don't worry though, I quickly assessed the age of these miscreants and established them to be merely youngsters who had jumped on the Wagner bandwagon back in 2016. What a bunch of entitled brats, I thought to myself. Glad to know you can recognise entitlement! Not many on here can. How old were the kids,, sorry blokes,, holding up that banner in your opinion? You just can't help yourself, comming out all superior once again. |
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Post by prepare on Feb 6, 2023 19:39:33 GMT 1
Are we close to a takeover though? I think we are nearer going into Administration. Heard that DH and PH can't agree over the sale of PH's shares and DH is considering no longer covering the wage bill at Town. Worrying times well you heard wrong about covering the club |
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Post by mids on Feb 6, 2023 19:42:31 GMT 1
You're mad if you think the players so much as noticed the banner, let alone stopped to read it, get offended, then play worse because of comments aimed at the club ownership. It added to a toxic atmosphere in a game we needed to win, particularly in the first half. There was no atmosphere. It was drab, as ever, in the main |
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Post by space hardware on Feb 6, 2023 19:46:06 GMT 1
You pay your money, you can do what you want. You might want the manager to stay, but I want him out and said so. I'm a firm believer in voicing your concerns in the ground, rather than doing it on social media where no-one takes any notice. I wanted him out approximately 10 seconds after hearing his first interview. |
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