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Post by Porrohman on Jul 6, 2023 8:23:15 GMT 1
I dont know if we would ever play like this but i quite like the idea of 3 CMs being Rudoni,Kasumu and Diarra. Seems like a nice balance of holding and attacking with Rudoni able to kind of move between those two areas. I think this is a huge season for Kasumu. He simply has to show better quality on the ball in possession or else he may be one that we look to replace in the long run. He's no worse with the ball than our captain
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 6, 2023 10:08:00 GMT 1
I think this is a huge season for Kasumu. He simply has to show better quality on the ball in possession or else he may be one that we look to replace in the long run. He's no worse with the ball than our captain He's better at carrying the ball forward but his leadership, passing and decision making are not in the same league.
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Post by sapphireblue on Jul 6, 2023 10:14:29 GMT 1
He's no worse with the ball than our captain He's better at carrying the ball forward but his leadership, passing and decision making are not in the same league. Yet.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 6, 2023 10:45:26 GMT 1
He's no worse with the ball than our captain He's better at carrying the ball forward but his leadership, passing and decision making are not in the same league. I'd never class decision making or passing as a strength of Hoggys. Unless it's backwards.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 6, 2023 10:47:41 GMT 1
He's better at carrying the ball forward but his leadership, passing and decision making are not in the same league. I'd never class decision making or passing as a strength of Hoggys. Unless it's backwards. Purely in comparison to Kasumu.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 6, 2023 10:48:12 GMT 1
He's better at carrying the ball forward but his leadership, passing and decision making are not in the same league. Yet. True. Easy to forget how young he still is!
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Post by Drew Peacock on Jul 6, 2023 13:38:31 GMT 1
I think this is a huge season for Kasumu. He simply has to show better quality on the ball in possession or else he may be one that we look to replace in the long run. He's no worse with the ball than our captain Not true.... View Attachment
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 6, 2023 14:06:39 GMT 1
You do realise that 95% of Hoggs passes are 5 yards back to a CB 🤔
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 6, 2023 14:35:56 GMT 1
Hoggys a legend. What a player he’s been for us. Aaron Mooy aside, the best value of any player in the last 20 years.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 6, 2023 15:01:52 GMT 1
I think the accusations about Hoggy's ball usage are unfair. He plays the way he's asked to play. If you watched him without prejudging him under Wagner, then the Cowleys, then Corberan there are key differences in the way he uses the ball. If he's passing it 5 yards square or backwards, it's because he's been asked to. When you style of play has allowed it, he has show he can pass forwards or on the diagonal. Sure, he's not gonna be spraying 40 yard passed 20 times a game, but I do think he actually deserves some credit for adapting. It might be subtle, but it's there.
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 6, 2023 15:07:25 GMT 1
Well he'll be on his way back home now anyway. Beaten on penalties. 3rd / 4th play off on Friday to come before he'll fly back. I can't find any reference to this game. Is it definitely on?
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Post by Sparrow on Jul 6, 2023 15:12:09 GMT 1
3rd / 4th play off on Friday to come before he'll fly back. I can't find any reference to this game. Is it definitely on? Yep. The winner will play in the Olympics next year: "Guinea and Mali will face off on Friday for third place in the under-23s tournament and the last remaining spot set aside for an African team at next year's Olympics. Whichever of the two teams loses the third-place match can still qualify for the Olympics, but only by winning an intercontinental play-off against the fourth-place team of the next U23 Asian Cup." www.newarab.com/news/egypt-morocco-football-teams-qualify-2024-olympics#:~:text=Egypt%2C%20Morocco%20football%20teams%20qualify%20for%202024%20Olympic%20Games,making%20U%2D23%20AFCON%20final&text=Egypt%20and%20Morocco%20have%20secured,23s%20Africa%20Cup%20of%20Nations.
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 6, 2023 15:15:48 GMT 1
Excellent!
What time?
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Post by mosher on Jul 6, 2023 15:19:46 GMT 1
I think the accusations about Hoggy's ball usage are unfair. He plays the way he's asked to play. If you watched him without prejudging him under Wagner, then the Cowleys, then Corberan there are key differences in the way he uses the ball. If he's passing it 5 yards square or backwards, it's because he's been asked to. When you style of play has allowed it, he has show he can pass forwards or on the diagonal. Sure, he's not gonna be spraying 40 yard passed 20 times a game, but I do think he actually deserves some credit for adapting. It might be subtle, but it's there. Hasn't every manager picked him since we bought him? I can't remember him ever being out of favour? That says it all I suppose.
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Post by Sparrow on Jul 6, 2023 15:33:35 GMT 1
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jul 6, 2023 16:02:39 GMT 1
Hogg has been a great player for our club. Don't know why anyone would slag him off.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 6, 2023 16:27:36 GMT 1
Hogg has been a great player for our club. Don't know why anyone would slag him off. I sometimes find myself frustrated with him, then when he's out for a few weeks with a knock I realise what a fkn idiot I was. Always miss him.
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Post by Drew Peacock on Jul 6, 2023 16:41:27 GMT 1
You do realise that 95% of Hoggs passes are 5 yards back to a CB 🤔 I guess I'll have to take your word for it unless you can back that up. For what it's worth here's some more of the comparison stats, where Hogg is ahead on every one of them. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jul 6, 2023 16:58:43 GMT 1
There is a reason why hogg etc have played most of their careers in the championship. If he added forward drives and creativity to his work rate, tenacity and commitment then he wouldn't be at Town.
Great servant and player who is now at the back end of his career at this level.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 6, 2023 17:29:33 GMT 1
Passing certainly isn't Hoggy's main attribute but he's there for the dirty work, the tackling, the covering, the tenacity. His job is to win a ball & give it to someone who can play - the problem we've had since Mooy is we haven't had the man for Hoggy to pass to.
What a great player Hoggy has been for us.
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Post by tepidterrier on Jul 6, 2023 17:32:59 GMT 1
You do realise that 95% of Hoggs passes are 5 yards back to a CB 🤔 I guess I'll have to take your word for it unless you can back that up. For what it's worth here's some more of the comparison stats, where Hogg is ahead on every one of them. View Attachment it's close though! Kasumu will only get better hopefully. If he improves his composure he'll be more than capable at this level.
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Post by stevehtfc on Jul 6, 2023 18:03:57 GMT 1
Hogg needs to go for me. Passes side or back and loves shouting at others for their mistakes but offers nothing to the team Recognised Etienne Camara's quality pre season against Harrogate. Wondered why he wasn't in the team sooner. Him over hogg anyday. Diarra would be great off the bench But for me Mahoney and Hogg and Turton should go. Rather play Rowe, Spencer and Camara.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 6, 2023 19:24:27 GMT 1
I think the accusations about Hoggy's ball usage are unfair. He plays the way he's asked to play. If you watched him without prejudging him under Wagner, then the Cowleys, then Corberan there are key differences in the way he uses the ball. If he's passing it 5 yards square or backwards, it's because he's been asked to. When you style of play has allowed it, he has show he can pass forwards or on the diagonal. Sure, he's not gonna be spraying 40 yard passed 20 times a game, but I do think he actually deserves some credit for adapting. It might be subtle, but it's there. Hasn't every manager picked him since we bought him? I can't remember him ever being out of favour? That says it all I suppose. His overall game 100% warrants his status, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with recognising his deficiencies (as all players have). Hogg is fine in possession when he has time, but he is generally poor in possession when he's under pressure, doesn't receive it cleanly to feet or he's not facing forwards. You can see he's somewhat awkward in possession, so it's not entirely because he's doing as asked, it's Hogg recognising his own deficiencies.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jul 6, 2023 19:27:16 GMT 1
I really do like Diarra, if Warnock et al can get him running with his head up. He will become a very dangrous player , teams were very worried about him, it was his end product that din't do him justice. He is a young player, learning his trade and the more game time i think this will improve.
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Post by DuncShearer* on Jul 6, 2023 20:05:12 GMT 1
Hogg needs to go for me. Passes side or back and loves shouting at others for their mistakes but offers nothing to the team Recognised Etienne Camara's quality pre season against Harrogate. Wondered why he wasn't in the team sooner. Him over hogg anyday. Diarra would be great off the bench But for me Mahoney and Hogg and Turton should go. Rather play Rowe, Spencer and Camara. The same Rowe who couldn't get a game at Stockport in league 2 ? give your head a shake silly bollocks .
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 6, 2023 20:30:37 GMT 1
I think the accusations about Hoggy's ball usage are unfair. He plays the way he's asked to play. If you watched him without prejudging him under Wagner, then the Cowleys, then Corberan there are key differences in the way he uses the ball. If he's passing it 5 yards square or backwards, it's because he's been asked to. When you style of play has allowed it, he has show he can pass forwards or on the diagonal. Sure, he's not gonna be spraying 40 yard passed 20 times a game, but I do think he actually deserves some credit for adapting. It might be subtle, but it's there. Hasn't every manager picked him since we bought him? I can't remember him ever being out of favour? That says it all I suppose. Yes it does say it all. Recently he was an integral part of Carlos’s team in the run to the Play Off Final and Warnock was quick to praise him when he joined in February. Amazing how many people STILL don’t understand Hogg’s role in the team. He’s never going to spray the ball around - his job is to win the ball and give it to a ball playing midfield colleague. Unfortunately, we haven’t had one of them since Mooy.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 6, 2023 20:37:17 GMT 1
Hogg has been a great signing and still has a part to play. For me it's worrying that we head in to another season where he is likely to be a starter because we haven't been able to find an adequate replacement. He's 35 this year, we shouldn't still be so reliant on him
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Post by Jimuano on Jul 6, 2023 21:01:17 GMT 1
Hogg has been important to the team, the last season and since he signed.
Despite performances not always being the best, his positive influence and captain's leadership has been huge, in particular since Warnock came in, and should not go unrecognised.
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Post by stevehtfc on Jul 6, 2023 23:11:30 GMT 1
Rowe didn't get a game because Stockport played 5 at the back and he isn't really a defender. He was brought in as back up, he is far better higher up the pitch. Not saying he is better than Sorba but is better than Mahoney.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 23:18:58 GMT 1
Hogg needs to go for me. Passes side or back and loves shouting at others for their mistakes but offers nothing to the team Recognised Etienne Camara's quality pre season against Harrogate. Wondered why he wasn't in the team sooner. Him over hogg anyday. Diarra would be great off the bench But for me Mahoney and Hogg and Turton should go. Rather play Rowe, Spencer and Camara. W.U.M
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