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Post by bentley316 on Feb 9, 2023 10:36:57 GMT 1
Because we played some outstanding football before injuries hit. Scored some of the best goals I’ve ever seen us score. Anyone with half a brain could tell he was onto something - and that proved correct last season. He won 3 games out of the last 24. Mark Fotheringham had a better record this season yet everyone was going berserk. Same reason that Pipa was regarded as some amazing footballer, when in reality he was rubbish. Because he had a fancy name and looked good, everyone pretended he was brilliant. Ollie Turton was a better right-back (and still is) yet he got pelters for months on here because he was called Ollie Turton. .100% agree Ollie Turton is a better right back now. At the start of last season he wasn't he became a better player over the course of the year. Ultimately I think fans want one of two things. Results and Entertainment. Ideally both. Carlos and Pipa provided entertainment through quality exciting pace and technique which papered over the lack of results. Fotheringham didnt get results and the team were dull. Which makes it look far worse by comparison. I dont think its an English vs Continent thing. People were very excited about Town's British players who have pace and bring excitement but didnt always have an end result. Ideally you want a player who is exciting and gives you results like Toff last year. But if you dont have either...you get fans on your back a lot quicker
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Feb 9, 2023 10:37:48 GMT 1
for me it depends on how the board look at progressing our club.
If we're looking for a short term appointment to keep us up it has to be Warnock. If we're looking longer term then Wilder might be a decent punt.
Or... maybe the new owners (whoever they are) already have an idea who they want to bring in.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Feb 9, 2023 10:38:08 GMT 1
4 things saved Carlos in my eyes: - he had a good start so got some good will on the bank early - we scored some great goals that hinted on what we could do longterm - He wasn’t Cowley and acted in a way the club appreciated, rather than being an embarrassment on the touch line - the players liked, respected and saw massive potential in what he was doing Fair to say, MF had none of those things in his favour. Carlos may have been lucky to survive for a second season but he had earned a lot of that luck with what he’d done initially and how he’d gone about it. 5. COVID and no fans. Good point
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Post by hthp on Feb 9, 2023 10:38:10 GMT 1
He won 3 games out of the last 24. Mark Fotheringham had a better record this season yet everyone was going berserk. Same reason that Pipa was regarded as some amazing footballer, when in reality he was rubbish. Because he had a fancy name and looked good, everyone pretended he was brilliant. Ollie Turton was a better right-back (and still is) yet he got pelters for months on here because he was called Ollie Turton. .100% agree Ollie Turton is a better right back now. At the start of last season he wasn't he became a better player over the course of the year. Ultimately I think fans want one of two things. Results and Entertainment. Ideally both. Carlos and Pipa provided entertainment through quality exciting pace and technique which papered over the lack of results. Fotheringham didnt get results and the team were dull. Which makes it look far worse by comparison. I dont think its an English vs Continent thing. People were very excited about Town's British players who have pace and bring excitement but didnt always have an end result. Ideally you want a player who is exciting and gives you results like Toff last year. But if you dont have either...you get fans on your back a lot quicker I can count the times I was entertained by Carlos Corberan on one hand.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 9, 2023 10:40:55 GMT 1
He won 3 games out of the last 24. Mark Fotheringham had a better record this season yet everyone was going berserk. Same reason that Pipa was regarded as some amazing footballer, when in reality he was rubbish. Because he had a fancy name and looked good, everyone pretended he was brilliant. Ollie Turton was a better right-back (and still is) yet he got pelters for months on here because he was called Ollie Turton. Are you suggesting MF will go on to emulate Corberan? Almost certainly not ( nothing is certain in football ) But I think the point is, he looks as likely to do what Corboran went on to do as Corboran himself did during that run of 3 wins in 24...ie not at all.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 9, 2023 10:42:59 GMT 1
4 things saved Carlos in my eyes: - he had a good start so got some good will on the bank early - we scored some great goals that hinted on what we could do longterm - He wasn’t Cowley and acted in a way the club appreciated, rather than being an embarrassment on the touch line - the players liked, respected and saw massive potential in what he was doing Fair to say, MF had none of those things in his favour. Carlos may have been lucky to survive for a second season but he had earned a lot of that luck with what he’d done initially and how he’d gone about it. 5. COVID and no fans. 6, An absolute stand out performer in Josh Koroma ripping oppositions apart until he was injured.
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Post by ball on Feb 9, 2023 10:45:51 GMT 1
With ownership issues the short term appointment seems the only logical option to me in which case Warnock.
UNLESS buyers are at advanced stages and in communication with the club but can’t see it
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 9, 2023 10:49:13 GMT 1
Easy to forget how good Koroma was for that spell. The other night was a little reminder.
Him and Knockaert could actually provide some real quality up front.
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Post by irverino on Feb 9, 2023 10:50:44 GMT 1
They may have been 200+ pages on the one MF thread, but Carlos had dozens of threads baying for his blood, some of which are over 50+ pages........Would have been a gonna with fans in JS..
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Post by bentley316 on Feb 9, 2023 10:53:24 GMT 1
.100% agree Ollie Turton is a better right back now. At the start of last season he wasn't he became a better player over the course of the year. Ultimately I think fans want one of two things. Results and Entertainment. Ideally both. Carlos and Pipa provided entertainment through quality exciting pace and technique which papered over the lack of results. Fotheringham didnt get results and the team were dull. Which makes it look far worse by comparison. I dont think its an English vs Continent thing. People were very excited about Town's British players who have pace and bring excitement but didnt always have an end result. Ideally you want a player who is exciting and gives you results like Toff last year. But if you dont have either...you get fans on your back a lot quicker I can count the times I was entertained by Carlos Corberan on one hand. To each their own, but some of those front to back whole team goals in his first season are some of the most satisfying ive seen for Town. It might not have been good but seeing Lewis O Brien and Bacuna as full back was pretty exciting...probably for the wrong reasons
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Post by scutcher on Feb 9, 2023 11:01:46 GMT 1
At least Colin would be happy with the amount of injuries!
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Post by mooythegoat on Feb 9, 2023 11:07:54 GMT 1
I don't want to lose it too quickly here but if we give the job to Dean Holden I genuinely give up on the club. Stop going cheap FFS.
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Post by detox on Feb 9, 2023 11:08:20 GMT 1
Didn't Oggy say new owners were imminent...or was it pending....anyway,he suggested it was sooner rather than later so something must be going on..
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Post by tepidterrier on Feb 9, 2023 11:11:17 GMT 1
At least Colin would be happy with the amount of injuries! "how can there be any fucking injuries what a silly question eh!"
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Post by royrace on Feb 9, 2023 11:15:21 GMT 1
Wilder seems to tick all boxes, this is a different type of appointment so another punt on the likes of Holden would be ridiculous. Wilder very experienced and could hopefully quickly get these players picking up points, would also be a decent shout as a long term appointment depending on what the new owners want but could also walk away at the end of the season with a nice bonus and another success on his CV. Probably itching to get back after what happened at Boro. He'll know the squad, the club and the league and I bet he's extremely confident he could get us out of the mess. Bollocks to the medium/long term future at this stage, it's all about survival and it will take a proper leader and experience.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 9, 2023 11:20:08 GMT 1
Because we played some outstanding football before injuries hit. Scored some of the best goals I’ve ever seen us score. Anyone with half a brain could tell he was onto something - and that proved correct last season. He won 3 games out of the last 24. Mark Fotheringham had a better record this season yet everyone was going berserk. Same reason that Pipa was regarded as some amazing footballer, when in reality he was rubbish. Because he had a fancy name and looked good, everyone pretended he was brilliant. Ollie Turton was a better right-back (and still is) yet he got pelters for months on here because he was called Ollie Turton. But some of the stuff we played in the first 22 games was football Buzz could only dream of, we could see Carlos had something. But if Hoyle had been owner Carlos wouldn't have lasted that season out.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 9, 2023 11:23:55 GMT 1
I like Gareth Ainsworth,not sure if it would work out for him at Town though,I can't see him wanting all the bullshit above him either,,hes a top bloke Gareth Ainsworth was being interviewed on TV alongside either Lee Bowyer or Danny Cowley (can't remember which doh!) a few years back and the interviewer mentioned that Bowyer or Cowley had been linked with the Town job and they dismissed it to which Ainsworth said "if you don't want it I'll have it it's a massive job!" It was Cowley, Lincoln had just played at Wycombe and they were interviewed together, on the pitch. Cowley got the job a couple of days later.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Feb 9, 2023 11:25:39 GMT 1
Its not only a manager we need but also players with a active footballing brain.
This is a results business and yet to find a decent replacement for Carlos
Also we need to bring in experienced championship quality players or above if wanting to survive at this level.
The rot started in the close season with the departed and seemed to totally de motivate the remainers
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Post by townrwe on Feb 9, 2023 11:27:40 GMT 1
.100% agree Ollie Turton is a better right back now. At the start of last season he wasn't he became a better player over the course of the year. Ultimately I think fans want one of two things. Results and Entertainment. Ideally both. Carlos and Pipa provided entertainment through quality exciting pace and technique which papered over the lack of results. Fotheringham didnt get results and the team were dull. Which makes it look far worse by comparison. I dont think its an English vs Continent thing. People were very excited about Town's British players who have pace and bring excitement but didnt always have an end result. Ideally you want a player who is exciting and gives you results like Toff last year. But if you dont have either...you get fans on your back a lot quicker I can count the times I was entertained by Carlos Corberan on one hand. fozzball was more entertaining than carlosball... carlos was really well structured, but in no way exciting to watch. Fozzball was chaotic, went from the sublime to the ridiculous. To be fair initially carlos did play some good football year 1, but second season was dour,
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Post by irverino on Feb 9, 2023 11:28:09 GMT 1
He won 3 games out of the last 24. Mark Fotheringham had a better record this season yet everyone was going berserk. Same reason that Pipa was regarded as some amazing footballer, when in reality he was rubbish. Because he had a fancy name and looked good, everyone pretended he was brilliant. Ollie Turton was a better right-back (and still is) yet he got pelters for months on here because he was called Ollie Turton. But some of the stuff we played in the first 22 games was football Buzz could only dream of, we could see Carlos had something. But if Hoyle had been owner Carlos wouldn't have lasted that season out. You're right Dean would have paid him off, maybe the main reason Phil didn't was he couldn't afford too, we may never know..........Said some nice words about DH when he left did CC & hardly mentioned PH.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Feb 9, 2023 11:35:44 GMT 1
A lot of the criticism of MF from day one was because he was a complete novice with no managerial experience....,so wouldn't appointing Chicho just be repeating that? He knows all the players which is a big bonus but hes still effectively a complete novice when it comes to tactics and selections. Wilder is the obvious candidate IMO. Links with the area already, out of work, loads of experience, proven track record, next job will almost certainly be in this division. The negative about him would be the job he was doing at boro which was barely any better than the job MF has been doing here.But I guess every manager who does the job over a long length of time is going to fail at a club along the way. Another name I wouldn't rule out is Lampard. His next job will be in the championship IMO. If he manages in the PL again he'll have to take a club up there to do it I reckon. Did a good job at Derby almost taking them up. Did a good job at Chelsea initially under trying circumstances and did a good job at Everton initially stopping them from going down. Just wondering whether this is based on your gut feeling? I've just looked at the stats, as I, too, had the feeling he'd done a bad job there, but his record is not bad at all: W 18, D 11, L 16, which gives a 40% win ratio to MF's 24%, I'd take that "failure" all day long for where we are now.
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Post by ritchie on Feb 9, 2023 11:36:02 GMT 1
I feel Pelache will do ok for a game or two but no longer
Wilder seems the most logical, but is he a short term one? We need to stay up by any means, so id probably say Warnock if he'd do it.
I dont trust the club to pick out a lesser known guy. Lets have a full reset in summer
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 9, 2023 11:36:20 GMT 1
Easy to forget how good Koroma was for that spell. The other night was a little reminder. Him and Knockaert could actually provide some real quality up front. He was sensational during that spell. Every time he got the ball there was a genuine buzz of excitement in a way Ive not seen since Ben Thornley was on his initial loan spell from Man Utd. To be fair to Fotheringham he hasnt had a player anything remotely like that to rely on like Carlos could in that spell up to Xmas that year. The goal the other night was classic Koroma from that spell. Cutting in from the left and curling it goal wards with his right foot. One of the problems he has is that its his main threat and if the opposition is clued up enough they can stop him doing it.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 9, 2023 11:37:37 GMT 1
A lot of the criticism of MF from day one was because he was a complete novice with no managerial experience....,so wouldn't appointing Chicho just be repeating that? He knows all the players which is a big bonus but hes still effectively a complete novice when it comes to tactics and selections. Wilder is the obvious candidate IMO. Links with the area already, out of work, loads of experience, proven track record, next job will almost certainly be in this division. The negative about him would be the job he was doing at boro which was barely any better than the job MF has been doing here.But I guess every manager who does the job over a long length of time is going to fail at a club along the way. Another name I wouldn't rule out is Lampard. His next job will be in the championship IMO. If he manages in the PL again he'll have to take a club up there to do it I reckon. Did a good job at Derby almost taking them up. Did a good job at Chelsea initially under trying circumstances and did a good job at Everton initially stopping them from going down. Just wondering whether this is based on your gut feeling? I've just looked at the stats, as I, too, had the feeling he'd done a bad job there, but his record is not bad at all: W 18, D 11, L 16, which gives a 40% win ratio to MF's 24%, I'd take that "failure" all day long for where we are now. I was just meaning this season. Think when they sacked him they were pretty much where we were in the division. Maybe 3rd or 4th bottom. Last season he was doing well.. looking like a play off position was likely, until he was linked to the Burnley job and pretty openly seemed to want it... after that they fell away badly.
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Post by duncfost01 on Feb 9, 2023 11:39:45 GMT 1
Warnock has retired hasn’t he ? He is an old man now and for me not the right choice.
Wilder did brilliant at sheff Utd, but then struggled at boro. He even said in a press conference that he has no idea how to play against Carlos’s Huddersfield. Was he found out ? His tactic of overloading the wings and having centre-halves cross the ball in ?
I’m not sure at all.
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Post by ben1987 on Feb 9, 2023 11:40:08 GMT 1
Easy to forget how good Koroma was for that spell. The other night was a little reminder. Him and Knockaert could actually provide some real quality up front. He was sensational during that spell. Every time he got the ball there was a genuine buzz of excitement in a way Ive not seen since Ben Thornley was on his initial loan spell from Man Utd. To be fair to Fotheringham he hasnt had a player anything remotely like that to rely on like Carlos could in that spell up to Xmas that year. The goal the other night was classic Koroma from that spell. Cutting in from the left and curling it goal wards with his right foot. One of the problems he has is that its his main threat and if the opposition is clued up enough they can stop him doing it. I seem to remember Schindler getting a terrible injury at around the same time as Koroma and he was playing well. Defensively we went to shit after that.
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Post by hthp on Feb 9, 2023 11:53:04 GMT 1
Warnock has retired hasn’t he ? He is an old man now and for me not the right choice. Wilder did brilliant at sheff Utd, but then struggled at boro. He even said in a press conference that he has no idea how to play against Carlos’s Huddersfield. Was he found out ? His tactic of overloading the wings and having centre-halves cross the ball in ? I’m not sure at all. He seemed to have an idea when they arseholed us in his first game.
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Feb 9, 2023 12:18:58 GMT 1
Dean Holden of Charlton Athletic mentioned on the BBC football gossip page.
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Post by ashfieldterrier on Feb 9, 2023 12:19:55 GMT 1
Wilder seems to tick all boxes, this is a different type of appointment so another punt on the likes of Holden would be ridiculous. Wilder very experienced and could hopefully quickly get these players picking up points, would also be a decent shout as a long term appointment depending on what the new owners want but could also walk away at the end of the season with a nice bonus and another success on his CV. Probably itching to get back after what happened at Boro. He'll know the squad, the club and the league and I bet he's extremely confident he could get us out of the mess. Bollocks to the medium/long term future at this stage, it's all about survival and it will take a proper leader and experience. Well said that person 👍
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 9, 2023 12:20:55 GMT 1
.100% agree Ollie Turton is a better right back now. At the start of last season he wasn't he became a better player over the course of the year. Ultimately I think fans want one of two things. Results and Entertainment. Ideally both. Carlos and Pipa provided entertainment through quality exciting pace and technique which papered over the lack of results. Fotheringham didnt get results and the team were dull. Which makes it look far worse by comparison. I dont think its an English vs Continent thing. People were very excited about Town's British players who have pace and bring excitement but didnt always have an end result. Ideally you want a player who is exciting and gives you results like Toff last year. But if you dont have either...you get fans on your back a lot quicker I can count the times I was entertained by Carlos Corberan on one hand. You could do that with Buzz if you didn't have hands tbf
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