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Post by Tez on Feb 13, 2023 11:35:12 GMT 1
MF was hopeless for a long time. You’d like to think they had made some plans and tested the water in advance of pulling the trigger, rather than sitting around having a farcical brainstorming session on Friday morning. Exactly this. Change needed and fast even if short term to end of season
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Post by onesteviekindon on Feb 13, 2023 11:39:55 GMT 1
The proper way, you don't have managers like Warnock now, but the passion in him and the ruthless is key for us, he knows the club, fans and what situation we are in at the minute and need him ideally before Wednesday but needs to be in the dugout for Saturday 100% I never, ever want to get as wet as I was that day, again, unless I'm swimming 😵💫 Best game of water polo I've ever seen in my life! 🤣
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Post by araucaria on Feb 13, 2023 11:44:54 GMT 1
Rotherham 2015-16, 30 games 25 points, 6 wins, 6 draws, 2 defeats from the next 14, then two defeats (cf The Great Escape) when the job was done. Previous 7 games, 4 points. Hard games? Warnock doesn't care - Boro promoted automatically lost 1-0 at Rotherham; Derby finished 5th and were 3-0 up after 82 minutes and it finished 3-3. I've looked at the squad he had at the time and there were no household names. At 67 he needed 14 games to save a team in much greater peril even than we are now; he's got one more game than that this time, so let's regard it as the handicapper allowing him an age allowance to reflect the 7 years since.
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Feb 13, 2023 11:50:17 GMT 1
Rotherham 2015-16, 33 games 26 points, 6 wins and 5 draws from the next 11, then two defeats (cf The Great Escape) when the job was done. Previous 10 games, 5 points. Hard games? Warnock doesn't care - Boro promoted automatically lost 1-0 at Rotherham; Derby finished 5th and were 3-0 up after 82 minutes and it finished 3-3. I've looked at the squad he had at the time and there were no household names. At 67 he needed 11 games to save a team in much greater peril even than we are now; he's got a few more games than that this time, so let's regard it as the handicapper allowing him an age allowance to reflect the 7 years since. Given town’s current situation, there is no better choice if we want to stay up. Whether town see it like that is another matter.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 13, 2023 11:50:55 GMT 1
Theres over a third of the season to go yet. If we were in this position ( a point off safety ) with 2 or 3 games to go then yeah, get someone in this morning but as it is id rather they really focus on getting the best bloke even if that takes a week or two. No! We cannot afford to give Pelach another game, let alone a week or two. With 16 games to go, we can. What we really cant afford to do is get this appointment wrong!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 11:52:16 GMT 1
The only 2 I can think of is Warnock or Richardson. It’ll be the cheaper and the yes man of the two - which Warnock won’t be. The cheapest option was to keep MF, next cheapest appoint Chicho, after that it difficult to say who is cheaper Richardson would want a long contract that we would likley have to pay off in the summer (he isnt currently someone we are considering as far as I know) Warnock would only be for a few months and would only get big money should we stay up which is worthwhile IMHO, there is interest from both sides it does have some real positves to the deal should we stay up or go down also. We have had discussions with many candidates and its all DB (with DH) handling this so hopeful this time the right appointment will be made and one that can keep us up this season, 5 awful teams down at the bottom we only need to be better than 3 of these for the rest of the season to stay up which is 100% possible with the correct man manager in charge.
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Post by hthp on Feb 13, 2023 11:53:47 GMT 1
No! We cannot afford to give Pelach another game, let alone a week or two. With 16 games to go, we can. What we really cant afford to do is get this appointment wrong! Did you watch that shite on Saturday? He's clueless.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 11:56:43 GMT 1
With 16 games to go, we can. What we really cant afford to do is get this appointment wrong! Did you watch that shite on Saturday? He's clueless. very harsh, 2 days of training, couple of big injuries during the game, first half best we have played for some time (not good still), second half disjointed and some odd subs but Chicho certainly is not clueless, a lot of blame has to go to the players at the moment and we need a reaction from them on Wednesday.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 13, 2023 11:58:09 GMT 1
I never, ever want to get as wet as I was that day, again, unless I'm swimming 😵💫 That was a dreadful afternoon with the rain just running down the back of your neck for 90 miserable minutes and virtually no cover over the away end. I forget if the weather was better in Huddersfield because I don't think anyone was dressed for pissing down rain. How on earth did the game not get abandoned? Cos Shrewsbury were winning, I reckon. 0-0 and he'd have called it off
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Feb 13, 2023 12:00:30 GMT 1
It’ll be the cheaper and the yes man of the two - which Warnock won’t be. The cheapest option was to keep MF, next cheapest appoint Chicho, after that it difficult to say who is cheaper Richardson would want a long contract that we would likley have to pay off in the summer (he isnt currently someone we are considering as far as I know) Warnock would only be for a few months and would only get big money should we stay up which is worthwhile IMHO, there is interest from both sides it does have some real positves to the deal should we stay up or go down also. We have had discussions with many candidates and its all DB (with DH) handling this so hopeful this time the right appointment will be made and one that can keep us up this season, 5 awful teams down at the bottom we only need to be better than 3 of these for the rest of the season to stay up which is 100% possible with the correct man manager in charge. Get Warnock in - it’s a no brainer in our position.
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Post by hthp on Feb 13, 2023 12:03:04 GMT 1
Did you watch that shite on Saturday? He's clueless. very harsh, 2 days of training, couple of big injuries during the game, first half best we have played for some time (not good still), second half disjointed and some odd subs but Chicho certainly is not clueless, a lot of blame has to go to the players at the moment and we need a reaction from them on Wednesday. Not harsh in the slightest. He didn't have a clue on Saturday, he couldn't even get the players up for the biggest games of the season. If we continue with him at the helm, we may as well the white flag now. Best we've played for some time? Were you pissed?
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Post by runner76 on Feb 13, 2023 12:03:16 GMT 1
It’ll be the cheaper and the yes man of the two - which Warnock won’t be. The cheapest option was to keep MF, next cheapest appoint Chicho, after that it difficult to say who is cheaper Richardson would want a long contract that we would likley have to pay off in the summer (he isnt currently someone we are considering as far as I know) Warnock would only be for a few months and would only get big money should we stay up which is worthwhile IMHO, there is interest from both sides it does have some real positves to the deal should we stay up or go down also. We have had discussions with many candidates and its all DB (with DH) handling this so hopeful this time the right appointment will be made and one that can keep us up this season, 5 awful teams down at the bottom we only need to be better than 3 of these for the rest of the season to stay up which is 100% possible with the correct man manager in charge. I thought paying MF off was a 7 figure sum?….Warnock on 12 weeks won’t be that much surely to God!?…
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Post by boooothy on Feb 13, 2023 12:07:36 GMT 1
The cheapest option was to keep MF, next cheapest appoint Chicho, after that it difficult to say who is cheaper Richardson would want a long contract that we would likley have to pay off in the summer (he isnt currently someone we are considering as far as I know) Warnock would only be for a few months and would only get big money should we stay up which is worthwhile IMHO, there is interest from both sides it does have some real positves to the deal should we stay up or go down also. We have had discussions with many candidates and its all DB (with DH) handling this so hopeful this time the right appointment will be made and one that can keep us up this season, 5 awful teams down at the bottom we only need to be better than 3 of these for the rest of the season to stay up which is 100% possible with the correct man manager in charge. Get Warnock in - it’s a no brainer in our position. If it’s an option i don’t know what there even is to think about. As long he’s committed and not just wanting to come attend games and let someone else do all the work.
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Post by prepare on Feb 13, 2023 12:08:37 GMT 1
Needs an experienced appointment until end season Then longer term plan then - assumes takeover sorted by then. you should never assume anything in football!!
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Feb 13, 2023 12:10:20 GMT 1
Get Warnock in - it’s a no brainer in our position. If it’s an option i don’t know what there even is to think about. As long he’s committed and not just wanting to come attend games and let someone else do all the work. That’s not the type of bloke Warnock is - he’ll give it his all
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Post by hthp on Feb 13, 2023 12:12:24 GMT 1
If it’s an option i don’t know what there even is to think about. As long he’s committed and not just wanting to come attend games and let someone else do all the work. That’s not the type of bloke Warnock is - he’ll give it his all Warnock won't be here very much, he'll leave it to his coaching staff to do much of the work. But whatever Warnock does, he's very very good at it.
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Post by belizian on Feb 13, 2023 12:12:31 GMT 1
I can't believe that Warnock would take this shit show on. He'd want to go out on a winner surely?
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 13, 2023 12:12:48 GMT 1
With 16 games to go, we can. What we really cant afford to do is get this appointment wrong! Did you watch that shite on Saturday? He's clueless. I think weve got into the habit of automatically blaming the manager 100% for anything that happens on the pitch. I didnt have an issue with the side he selected and didnt see any obvious tactical blunders during the game. I saw players who I know are better than that play pretty badly... and that gets judged as Pelach being clueless, not the players? He isnt running on the pitch telling players to cock up a simple pass or miscontrol the ball or not win an aerial duel.
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Post by Moooooy on Feb 13, 2023 12:13:42 GMT 1
MF was hopeless for a long time. You’d like to think they had made some plans and tested the water in advance of pulling the trigger, rather than sitting around having a farcical brainstorming session on Friday morning. Exactly this. He was sacked last Wednesday and we should have had someone lined up and ready to go on Thursday morning. It’s like they’ve not looked at the results or league table for a couple of months and then caught a glimpse of it on Wednesday morning and thought oh shit we better do something about this. To be scrambling round 5 days later, in the middle of a really important run of games, is ridiculous.
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Post by hthp on Feb 13, 2023 12:15:21 GMT 1
Did you watch that shite on Saturday? He's clueless. I think weve got into the habit of automatically blaming the manager 100% for anything that happens on the pitch. I didnt have an issue with the side he selected and didnt see any obvious tactical blunders during the game. I saw players who I know are better than that play pretty badly... and that gets judged as Pelach being clueless, not the players? He isnt running on the pitch telling players to cock up a simple pass or miscontrol the ball or not win an aerial duel. If you think we're okay with him in charge, then that's fine. I personally think we'll finish bottom with him in charge.
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Post by hthp on Feb 13, 2023 12:17:02 GMT 1
MF was hopeless for a long time. You’d like to think they had made some plans and tested the water in advance of pulling the trigger, rather than sitting around having a farcical brainstorming session on Friday morning. Exactly this. He was sacked last Wednesday and we should have had someone lined up and ready to go on Thursday morning. It’s like they’ve not looked at the results or league table for a couple of months and then caught a glimpse of it on Wednesday morning and thought oh shit we better do something about this. To be scrambling round 5 days later, in the middle of a really important run of games, is ridiculous. The club will have been crossing all their fingers and toes that we won on Saturday, just so they could give it to Pelach. A man who doesn't even want the job yet the clamour for him to get it before Saturday was unreal! Saturday did one thing, it showed that he is not the man for the job no matter how much of a nice bloke he is. We need a manager in post for Wednesday's match, it's important. We cannot waste any more time on this otherwise we are doomed.
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Post by waggers on Feb 13, 2023 12:24:16 GMT 1
I can't believe that Warnock would take this shit show on. He'd want to go out on a winner surely? His last gig at Middlesbrough wasn't going out on a winner, he might possibly be tempted to step in for the rest of the season and try to pull off a survival job. I think due to his age big well positioned clubs are likely not interested in him.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Feb 13, 2023 12:26:51 GMT 1
Here we go....Nathan Jones might be available soon? You heard it here first!!
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Post by dugnet on Feb 13, 2023 12:30:21 GMT 1
Did you watch that shite on Saturday? He's clueless. I think weve got into the habit of automatically blaming the manager 100% for anything that happens on the pitch. I didnt have an issue with the side he selected and didnt see any obvious tactical blunders during the game. I saw players who I know are better than that play pretty badly... and that gets judged as Pelach being clueless, not the players? He isnt running on the pitch telling players to cock up a simple pass or miscontrol the ball or not win an aerial duel. The Ruffles selection was odd (given his form) and not putting Karoma on was also puzzling. But here's the real question - is this group really good enough. Are the mistakes systematic of their abilities. To me there are player who might be ok in the future, some who have been (but are on the downside) and some who are not up to the task. It's not a good mix. Our only solace is that the league has some poor teams in it. Are there 3 worse than us? Highly debateable.
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Post by dugnet on Feb 13, 2023 12:31:16 GMT 1
Here we go....Nathan Jones might be available soon? You heard it here first!! So we go from a loudmouth Scotsman to a loud mouth Welshman - sounds like something we'd do.
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Post by boooothy on Feb 13, 2023 12:33:48 GMT 1
I think weve got into the habit of automatically blaming the manager 100% for anything that happens on the pitch. I didnt have an issue with the side he selected and didnt see any obvious tactical blunders during the game. I saw players who I know are better than that play pretty badly... and that gets judged as Pelach being clueless, not the players? He isnt running on the pitch telling players to cock up a simple pass or miscontrol the ball or not win an aerial duel. The Ruffles selection was odd (given his form) and not putting Karoma on was also puzzling. But here's the real question - is this group really good enough. Are the mistakes systematic of their abilities. To me there are player who might be ok in the future, some who have been (but are on the downside) and some who are not up to the task. It's not a good mix. Our only solace is that the league has some poor teams in it. Are there 3 worse than us? Highly debateable. I’ve always thought the players were good enough to stay up. I’m now doubting it but that’s because we don’t have a goalkeeper.
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Post by terriers2000 on Feb 13, 2023 12:39:51 GMT 1
Has Warnock had any talks with us yet? plus is he our main prospect?
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Post by Sio on Feb 13, 2023 12:40:59 GMT 1
Has Warnock had any talks with us yet? plus is he our main prospect? Dunno
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Post by Tez on Feb 13, 2023 12:42:26 GMT 1
Jones? Would rather put bleach in our eyes
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 13, 2023 12:43:05 GMT 1
I think weve got into the habit of automatically blaming the manager 100% for anything that happens on the pitch. I didnt have an issue with the side he selected and didnt see any obvious tactical blunders during the game. I saw players who I know are better than that play pretty badly... and that gets judged as Pelach being clueless, not the players? He isnt running on the pitch telling players to cock up a simple pass or miscontrol the ball or not win an aerial duel. If you think we're okay with him in charge, then that's fine. I personally think we'll finish bottom with him in charge. I dont want him in charge. Im just saying id rather have him in charge for a couple of weeks if thats what it takes to make the right appointment. And im blaming the players for how they perform, not just the manager.
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