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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 16, 2023 6:42:16 GMT 1
Feels like the Premier League chewed us up and spat us out.
Honestly thought we'd be set up for at least a decade yo-yoing between the top two divisions.
We've had some bad luck with injuries and the off-field circus is beyond farcical but what I didn't see coming was the players throwing the towel in like some of them did last night. I didn't think they were that weak. Tom Lees, for example, looked like the last place he wanted to be was on a football pitch in a Town shirt. Pearson too. The lad looks mentally broken.
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 16, 2023 6:44:12 GMT 1
It's going to be a massive rebuilding process. Long and painful.
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Post by Mastercracker on Feb 16, 2023 8:18:07 GMT 1
Feels like the Premier League chewed us up and spat us out. Honestly thought we'd be set up for at least a decade yo-yoing between the top two divisions. We've had some bad luck with injuries and the off-field circus is beyond farcical but what I didn't see coming was the players throwing the towel in like some of them did last night. I didn't think they were that weak. Tom Lees, for example, looked like the last place he wanted to be was on a football pitch in a Town shirt. Pearson too. The lad looks mentally broken. You can’t blame the Premier League, it did chew us up and spit us out but we broke that cycle and came 3rd last year. 81 bloody points. Dean Hoyle spitting out a middling league one budget for his own championship club is entirely to blame for this one.
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Post by tepidterrier on Feb 16, 2023 8:57:15 GMT 1
There's been a lot of chat about the likes of Boyle, High, and Rudoni this season. Players who haven't performed because the level is probably above them.
For me, I am fuming at the senior players for not setting the standards or helping them out. We still have a good few players that finished third last season. Lees, Pearson, and Hogg were all involved yesterday. What did they do that made them looked like they belong at this level more than the former three? And don't get me started on Lowton, what a dreadful player he's been for us. He gets away with it because he has pedigree, but he's made an error leading to a goal almost every game, and is one of the worst offenders.
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 16, 2023 9:00:38 GMT 1
There's been a lot of chat about the likes of Boyle, High, and Rudoni this season. Players who haven't performed because the level is probably above them. For me, I am fuming at the senior players for not setting the standards or helping them out. We still have a good few players that finished third last season. Lees, Pearson, and Hogg were all involved yesterday. What did they do that made them looked like they belong at this level more than the former three? And don't get me started on Lowton, what a dreadful player he's been for us. He gets away with it because he has pedigree, but he's made an error leading to a goal almost every game, and is one of the worst offenders. Lees and Hogg are done at this level. That leaves us with a squad of players of which I would argue only 3 are championship quality. That's why Warnock won't keep us up.
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Post by digs on Feb 16, 2023 9:05:22 GMT 1
There's been a lot of chat about the likes of Boyle, High, and Rudoni this season. Players who haven't performed because the level is probably above them. For me, I am fuming at the senior players for not setting the standards or helping them out. We still have a good few players that finished third last season. Lees, Pearson, and Hogg were all involved yesterday. What did they do that made them looked like they belong at this level more than the former three? And don't get me started on Lowton, what a dreadful player he's been for us. He gets away with it because he has pedigree, but he's made an error leading to a goal almost every game, and is one of the worst offenders. Pearson and Lees need a bit of creativity in front of them to enable them to defend properly,and I'm not sure what Hogg does anymore apart from pretend he's Bobby Moore,and point at things.
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Post by tepidterrier on Feb 16, 2023 9:55:34 GMT 1
There's been a lot of chat about the likes of Boyle, High, and Rudoni this season. Players who haven't performed because the level is probably above them. For me, I am fuming at the senior players for not setting the standards or helping them out. We still have a good few players that finished third last season. Lees, Pearson, and Hogg were all involved yesterday. What did they do that made them looked like they belong at this level more than the former three? And don't get me started on Lowton, what a dreadful player he's been for us. He gets away with it because he has pedigree, but he's made an error leading to a goal almost every game, and is one of the worst offenders. Lees and Hogg are done at this level. That leaves us with a squad of players of which I would argue only 3 are championship quality. That's why Warnock won't keep us up. I think a bit of Lees died at Wembley. His post match comments about some players never getting another shot at the Prem, he was obviously talking about himself. That must be such a big motivation killer if you've played 500+ second tier games.
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 16, 2023 10:08:31 GMT 1
Feels like the Premier League chewed us up and spat us out. Honestly thought we'd be set up for at least a decade yo-yoing between the top two divisions. We've had some bad luck with injuries and the off-field circus is beyond farcical but what I didn't see coming was the players throwing the towel in like some of them did last night. I didn't think they were that weak. Tom Lees, for example, looked like the last place he wanted to be was on a football pitch in a Town shirt. Pearson too. The lad looks mentally broken. You can’t blame the Premier League, it did chew us up and spit us out but we broke that cycle and came 3rd last year. 81 bloody points. Dean Hoyle spitting out a middling league one budget for his own championship club is entirely to blame for this one. Wasn't blaming anyone in particular in my statement. Read my post - injuries - off-field circus - weak players. Hoyle has been woeful in the whole mess, it goes without saying.
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 16, 2023 10:12:49 GMT 1
Lees and Hogg are done at this level. That leaves us with a squad of players of which I would argue only 3 are championship quality. That's why Warnock won't keep us up. I think a bit of Lees died at Wembley. His post match comments about some players never getting another shot at the Prem, he was obviously talking about himself. That must be such a big motivation killer if you've played 500+ second tier games. The way Lees has performed this season shows he never even remotely deserved 'another shot at the Prem'. He'd get ripped to shreds playing against Premier League standard players. Hogg the same, unfortunately.
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Post by goodbet on Feb 16, 2023 11:15:35 GMT 1
I know this isn't the best place for this, but we need to unearth a gem or two. I just looked up how much Boro paid for Akpo, £2.75m, an absolute snip with what he's returned for them... Town's day will come again, it always does... You just have to sit tight through the troughs unfortunately... You have just joined the ranks of the entitled
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Post by rockwall on Feb 16, 2023 11:34:32 GMT 1
How have this shower of shit gone pretty much unchecked on here all season?. They have seen off two Managers, another to follow before the season is out. The Premier League Mbenza / Diakhaby Team takes some beating but this spineless shower of shit? How many Managers before we realise that Managers are not the problem here. The Tin Man in the wizard of oz has more heart and fight. As much as I would like to agree. Rotation and change of positions every game doesn't help to build any sort of partnerships/fluidity etc. But... errors made, sloppy passes, easy misses (when we actually create one) is down to players. Until Wigan, the effort was there. Management side has been dreadful but it isn't 100% just that. A concoction of boardroom, management and players has been the issue.
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Post by rocky on Feb 16, 2023 11:35:49 GMT 1
Each performance over the past few weeks, have become progressively worse. Tonight was a new low, in our awful season. You’ve got it in one there. I thought there was a bit of hope with the 2 Xmas wins but since Luton on Jan 1, that hope has gradually gone. As you say, every game gets worse than the previous one, despite all the rhetoric that comes out of the club. It’s now reached the point where it’s actually painful to watch and they’re not able to effectively compete at this level. I’ve read many comments on here that the squad is better than the results. I think the last 6 weeks have proven that to be wrong. They’ve no heart or ability and it’s only going one way. With all that and the tough run in of fixtures, I don’t think even Warnock can make a scrap of difference.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 16, 2023 11:37:17 GMT 1
Even though we had a game last night, Warnock should have every player in for training today because none of those fuckers even broke sweat last night.
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Post by tepidterrier on Feb 16, 2023 11:41:39 GMT 1
I think a bit of Lees died at Wembley. His post match comments about some players never getting another shot at the Prem, he was obviously talking about himself. That must be such a big motivation killer if you've played 500+ second tier games. The way Lees has performed this season shows he never even remotely deserved 'another shot at the Prem'. He'd get ripped to shreds playing against Premier League standard players. Hogg the same, unfortunately. Definitely doesn't deserve it now, but never deserved is harsh. He was our best defender last season in my opinion. And was consistently one of the best defenders in the division when the Massive were a playoff side. A lot of worse players have played Premier League football, not least with us!
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 16, 2023 11:42:30 GMT 1
First 6 minutes was pretty good last night.
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 16, 2023 11:44:56 GMT 1
The way Lees has performed this season shows he never even remotely deserved 'another shot at the Prem'. He'd get ripped to shreds playing against Premier League standard players. Hogg the same, unfortunately. Definitely doesn't deserve it now, but never deserved is harsh. He was our best defender last season in my opinion. And was consistently one of the best defenders in the division when the Massive were a playoff side. A lot of worse players have played Premier League football, not least with us! Hence why I wrote 'this season'.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 16, 2023 11:46:33 GMT 1
First 6 minutes was pretty good last night. Thought the same until I saw Hogg trying to get Headley(?) to pass it backwards when he had two options in front of him. When your leader is trying to instill negativity on the young players trying to be positive then we have no chance.
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Post by hthp on Feb 16, 2023 11:47:37 GMT 1
First 6 minutes was pretty good last night. Thought the same until I saw Hogg trying to get Headley(?) to pass it backwards when he had two options in front of him. When your leader is trying to instill negativity on the young players trying to be positive then we have no chance. Hogg isn't a leader. Never has been.
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Post by tepidterrier on Feb 16, 2023 11:49:40 GMT 1
Definitely doesn't deserve it now, but never deserved is harsh. He was our best defender last season in my opinion. And was consistently one of the best defenders in the division when the Massive were a playoff side. A lot of worse players have played Premier League football, not least with us! Hence why I wrote 'this season'. the timescales you used have confused me a bit!
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 16, 2023 11:52:37 GMT 1
In our last 8 games we've conceded 10 goals in the final 20 minutes.
Fotheringham said our players were amongst the fittest in the Championship?
They look unfit, uninterested and the vast majority have been a disgrace to the shirt this season.
Massive overhaul required by the new owner(s) DOF and manager, regardless of which division we'll be in.
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Post by Melc on Feb 16, 2023 12:04:31 GMT 1
I've slagged these lads off tonight,but ultimately it's not really their fault they were thought better than they actually are.. I see them trying things, like a pass to a team mate and it's just beyond them.. they do run around and seem keen to play, but sadly non of them have enough ability to play at this level...non of them. Yes, the odd flash of talent (or was it luck) but mostly it's just shambolic..As I said , not their fault...100% down to the person who actually thought they were good enough....What makes it worse is the 'seniors' in the side, those who are going to coach them through a game..Lowton, Pearson,Lees, Hogg, etc...have all been pretty shambolic too... How can a professional footballer be incapable of passing a ball. The coaching of running and then more running has taken its toll, but at the end of the day the players have let themselves, the club, and the supporters who spend good money following these pampered overpaid flops down.
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Post by CurlyWurly on Feb 16, 2023 12:06:27 GMT 1
Thought the same until I saw Hogg trying to get Headley(?) to pass it backwards when he had two options in front of him. When your leader is trying to instill negativity on the young players trying to be positive then we have no chance. Hogg isn't a leader. Never has been. I'm so glad someone else has said this. Screaming at someone doesn't make you a leader.
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Post by hthp on Feb 16, 2023 12:08:55 GMT 1
Hogg isn't a leader. Never has been. I'm so glad someone else has said this. Screaming at someone doesn't make you a leader. I've said it for years, he's just a bully. But you're not allowed to say it, he's The General and he's a Town legend. Allegedly.
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Post by ram on Feb 16, 2023 12:23:56 GMT 1
First 6 minutes was pretty good last night. Thought the same until I saw Hogg trying to get Headley(?) to pass it backwards when he had two options in front of him. When your leader is trying to instill negativity on the young players trying to be positive then we have no chance. I saw exactly that,just before they started to take control {I use the term loosely} and scored.I then turned the telly off!
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 16, 2023 12:46:43 GMT 1
Thought the same until I saw Hogg trying to get Headley(?) to pass it backwards when he had two options in front of him. When your leader is trying to instill negativity on the young players trying to be positive then we have no chance. Hogg isn't a leader. Never has been. Totally agree but he's the club captain with experience so the young players should be looking to him for guidance. In the ten years at the club only Wagner and Corberan have managed to get him playing at a decent level, the rest of the time he's been average to shite. I really don't see what people see in him? Apart from the odd crunching tackle he's a poor footballer overall. Can't pass, poor first touch, can't shoot & he's terrifying to watch with the ball at his feet. I have a feeling Kasumu will be Warnock's go to midfielder.
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 16, 2023 12:49:37 GMT 1
Hence why I wrote 'this season'. the timescales you used have confused me a bit! I like to keep you young 'uns on your toes.
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Post by hthp on Feb 16, 2023 12:50:34 GMT 1
Hogg isn't a leader. Never has been. Totally agree but he's the club captain with experience so the young players should be looking to him for guidance. In the ten years at the club only Wagner and Corberan have managed to get him playing at a decent level, the rest of the time he's been average to shite. I really don't see what people see in him? Apart from the odd crunching tackle he's a poor footballer overall. Can't pass, poor first touch, can't shoot & he's terrifying to watch with the ball at his feet. I have a feeling Kasumu will be Warnock's go to midfielder. He's "The General". Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
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Post by Mastercracker on Feb 16, 2023 13:04:09 GMT 1
Hogg isn't a leader. Never has been. Totally agree but he's the club captain with experience so the young players should be looking to him for guidance. In the ten years at the club only Wagner and Corberan have managed to get him playing at a decent level, the rest of the time he's been average to shite. I really don't see what people see in him? Apart from the odd crunching tackle he's a poor footballer overall. Can't pass, poor first touch, can't shoot & he's terrifying to watch with the ball at his feet. I have a feeling Kasumu will be Warnock's go to midfielder. He was never a great footballer but he was the fittest guy on the pitch week in week out, consistently 7/10 and an excellent ball winner. Mooy masked his deficiencies as he could give him the ball at any point and he'd retain it. LOB did too to a lesser extent as he could give him the ball and he'd carry it out of trouble/win a foul. Now we have Hogg in the 'pivot' trying to pass the ball around when he can't pass wind, surrounded by other players who cant pass or retain possession either. Then to make matters worse he's 34 and whilst I'm sure he can still run for days, his acceleration and agility on the turn has disappeared at an alarming rate. He's bypassed so easily in midfield and cant get back quick enough. What was his USP has gone. Last season should have been his last as a first choice player and he should now be doing the 'Whitehead' role, someone you can bring on with 20 mins left to see out a game and being the experienced older head around the place. Thats what he'd be doing at most clubs in this league. He's a club legend for me, anyone doing 10 years/this many games and being part of that promotion is, but he's not a leader. He's always been awful at it when the chips are down, just blaming everyone else.
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Post by harrythedog on Feb 16, 2023 13:12:27 GMT 1
Totally agree but he's the club captain with experience so the young players should be looking to him for guidance. In the ten years at the club only Wagner and Corberan have managed to get him playing at a decent level, the rest of the time he's been average to shite. I really don't see what people see in him? Apart from the odd crunching tackle he's a poor footballer overall. Can't pass, poor first touch, can't shoot & he's terrifying to watch with the ball at his feet. I have a feeling Kasumu will be Warnock's go to midfielder. He's "The General". Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Have said it before and i'll say it again, the sole reason we have lacked creativity for a long time, covered in decent recent seasons by better all round midfielders such as Mooy, O Brien and even Billing, I suspect Warnock might realise this and drop him but because of the injury list probably wont.
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Feb 16, 2023 18:56:35 GMT 1
I know this isn't the best place for this, but we need to unearth a gem or two. I just looked up how much Boro paid for Akpo, £2.75m, an absolute snip with what he's returned for them... Town's day will come again, it always does... You just have to sit tight through the troughs unfortunately... Town try to do that but with freebies and players that cost next to nowt. That 2-5m bracket is one we never entered despite having 2 seasons in the premier league. Actually no, I lie. We did shop in that bracket but it was in the Premier league whilst everyone else had moved up another 10 or 15 million. It’s typical tight Huddersfield mentality. Try and do everything on the cheap…until you’re forced to spend much more, but then it’s inevitably too late…
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