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Post by workshyfop on Jun 3, 2023 20:52:41 GMT 1
Deputy next season. Proved capable. Plus, saves another wage.
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Post by supercol23 on Jun 3, 2023 22:49:18 GMT 1
I’d get Bilo a good loan out to league 1 where he can play every game. We’ve got quite a few young keepers, I’d be up for sending a few out on loan and getting an experienced backup to sit on the bench and deputise. I agree, think he could go to Portsmouth they are in need of a goalkeeper |
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Post by shawsie on Jun 3, 2023 22:49:23 GMT 1
If Nicholls is still here . Why won't he be? Cos theres prem interest in him. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jun 3, 2023 22:57:09 GMT 1
Cos theres prem interest in him. Wonder how much we’d get for him. |
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Post by supercol23 on Jun 3, 2023 23:01:44 GMT 1
Cos theres prem interest in him. Wonder how much we’d get for him. Got to be 3 or 4 million minimum imo |
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Post by rockwall on Jun 4, 2023 7:34:11 GMT 1
Cos theres prem interest in him. Link? Not heard of any interest at all. |
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Post by basil on Jun 4, 2023 9:23:03 GMT 1
Wonder how much we’d get for him. Got to be 3 or 4 million minimum imo Danny Ward went to sit on Leicester's bench for 12 million or so. That was silly money at the time, but prem clubs can't afford to skimp. That's the kind of price we should be looking at. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 4, 2023 10:19:07 GMT 1
Deputy next season. Proved capable. Plus, saves another wage. Has he proven himself capable? To play the occasional cup game? Absolutely. To step in for the odd game here and there if Nicholls is suspended or has a short term injury, sure. But if we got a silly offer for Lee Nicholls on deadline day and couldn't replace, or if he got a long term injury after the deadline, would you be happy with Bilo until at least January? I don't think he's proven himself any more capable than Ryan Schofield had after the same number of games. Pre that howler at Watford RS was well worth his place in the side. For me, Bilo is best served getting a loan out somewhere that he's likely to get plenty of first team minutes. Once he's had experience of playing week in, week out then maybe next season, but I'm worried that if we throw him in the deep end too quickly he'll drown as quickly as Ryan Schofield did. Bring in an experienced deputy for LN and send Bilo (plus one of Bellagambi and Chapman) out on loan. (I'd also look at a loan for at least |
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Post by workshyfop on Jun 4, 2023 10:53:59 GMT 1
Deputy next season. Proved capable. Plus, saves another wage. Has he proven himself capable? To play the occasional cup game? Absolutely. To step in for the odd game here and there if Nicholls is suspended or has a short term injury, sure. But if we got a silly offer for Lee Nicholls on deadline day and couldn't replace, or if he got a long term injury after the deadline, would you be happy with Bilo until at least January? I don't think he's proven himself any more capable than Ryan Schofield had after the same number of games. Pre that howler at Watford RS was well worth his place in the side. For me, Bilo is best served getting a loan out somewhere that he's likely to get plenty of first team minutes. Once he's had experience of playing week in, week out then maybe next season, but I'm worried that if we throw him in the deep end too quickly he'll drown as quickly as Ryan Schofield did. Bring in an experienced deputy for LN and send Bilo (plus one of Bellagambi and Chapman) out on loan. (I'd also look at a loan for at least Yeah, I meant as an understudy. The odd cup game, covering for suspensions/injuries. It wouldn’t be a priority for me unless we’re planning on selling Nicholls. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jun 4, 2023 11:16:22 GMT 1
Bilo looks far better than Schofield did after a few games. Seem to recall RS’ first full game against Boro and he was flapping like crazy on crosses, rooted to his line and was getting bullied. He looked anxious even as he was making some very good saves. That’s his first few games before his confidence completely fell apart.
Bilo looks very confident, has good presence and is good at claiming crosses. He doesn’t seem to have obvious weaknesses like RS did. The Coventry game he let in one at his near post that he should’ve saved, and he’s looked a bit hesitant to come off his line when an attacker is through, but they’re just things to work on for a young keeper.
The few games comparison with Schofield is miles out.
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 7, 2023 7:02:46 GMT 1
Bilo looks far better than Schofield did after a few games. Seem to recall RS’ first full game against Boro and he was flapping like crazy on crosses, rooted to his line and was getting bullied. He looked anxious even as he was making some very good saves. That’s his first few games before his confidence completely fell apart. Bilo looks very confident, has good presence and is good at claiming crosses. He doesn’t seem to have obvious weaknesses like RS did. The Coventry game he let in one at his near post that he should’ve saved, and he’s looked a bit hesitant to come off his line when an attacker is through, but they’re just things to work on for a young keeper. The few games comparison with Schofield is miles out. Better than Schofield even at this stage? Maybe. I'd accept that but I do wonder how much Schofield's subsequent performances post Watford have tainted that view that he's "miles" better. Personally I saw RS in much the same light as I see Bilo now. A promising kid with the potential to make a good career for himself. Not without weaknesses, but with weaknesses that could potentially be worked upon. My main point though was that Schofield's career was damaged by the club's inability to switch him out when he needed pulling out of the limelight. After Watford his confidence never recovered. Suppose Lee Nicholls gets a long term injury the day after the transfer window closes. Are we happy that Bilo is ready to play long term? That he won't need pulling out of the limelight if his confidence dips? We had no option but to stick with Schofield because the alternative was a bloke who made him look like Lev Yashin by comparison. Whilst I'm sure Jacob Chapman and Giosue Bellagambi are both miles better than The Hologram, they too are just kids. I'm not happy with either of them having regular first team football yet at this level either. Far better IMO to get competent, experienced backup for LN, send Bilo and Bellagambi out on loan where they'll get regular first team minutes at a more forgiving level, and have Chapman competing with the new guy for a slot on the bench and a few games in the cups. |
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jun 7, 2023 8:55:39 GMT 1
Difficult one with Bilo. I think he has better temperament than RS at his age, and that seems to be what the the coaches have said. He is young and without much first team experience though. Very hard with goalkeepers. The question is how he gets that. Steve Harper went out on loan and still played second fiddle at Newcastle for years. Bilo is U23 keeper for Australia so he isn’t going to sit on his hands as backup for long, he needs to play games to develop.
I think a loan where he will be first choice, if he is good enough, would be the best bet.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jun 7, 2023 9:24:46 GMT 1
Bilo looks far better than Schofield did after a few games. Seem to recall RS’ first full game against Boro and he was flapping like crazy on crosses, rooted to his line and was getting bullied. He looked anxious even as he was making some very good saves. That’s his first few games before his confidence completely fell apart. Bilo looks very confident, has good presence and is good at claiming crosses. He doesn’t seem to have obvious weaknesses like RS did. The Coventry game he let in one at his near post that he should’ve saved, and he’s looked a bit hesitant to come off his line when an attacker is through, but they’re just things to work on for a young keeper. The few games comparison with Schofield is miles out. Better than Schofield even at this stage? Maybe. I'd accept that but I do wonder how much Schofield's subsequent performances post Watford have tainted that view that he's "miles" better. Personally I saw RS in much the same light as I see Bilo now. A promising kid with the potential to make a good career for himself. Not without weaknesses, but with weaknesses that could potentially be worked upon. My main point though was that Schofield's career was damaged by the club's inability to switch him out when he needed pulling out of the limelight. After Watford his confidence never recovered. Suppose Lee Nicholls gets a long term injury the day after the transfer window closes. Are we happy that Bilo is ready to play long term? That he won't need pulling out of the limelight if his confidence dips? We had no option but to stick with Schofield because the alternative was a bloke who made him look like Lev Yashin by comparison. Whilst I'm sure Jacob Chapman and Giosue Bellagambi are both miles better than The Hologram, they too are just kids. I'm not happy with either of them having regular first team football yet at this level either. Far better IMO to get competent, experienced backup for LN, send Bilo and Bellagambi out on loan where they'll get regular first team minutes at a more forgiving level, and have Chapman competing with the new guy for a slot on the bench and a few games in the cups. Few valid points and a few straw men in there. I said separately I’d like Bilo to get a loan, I wouldn’t want him as backup because he needs game time and I’d rather we have experience to rely on in a pinch. The comparison with RS and Bilo is a separate point to what to do with Bilo for this year. I have no idea about Chapman or Bellagambi and didn’t reference them. You might not remember that Boro game, I do because one of my best mates supports them and he was asking me about the keeper. He was flapping at crosses from behind the goal line then and looked like a deer in headlights, it was clear as day that it was a clear weakness. Bilo has no similar huge weaknesses. No one could predict the lack of confidence he had just from that first game or two, it could be put down to nerves at that point but over time it seemed that it's probably a fatal weakness for his career. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 7, 2023 10:30:15 GMT 1
Better than Schofield even at this stage? Maybe. I'd accept that but I do wonder how much Schofield's subsequent performances post Watford have tainted that view that he's "miles" better. Personally I saw RS in much the same light as I see Bilo now. A promising kid with the potential to make a good career for himself. Not without weaknesses, but with weaknesses that could potentially be worked upon. My main point though was that Schofield's career was damaged by the club's inability to switch him out when he needed pulling out of the limelight. After Watford his confidence never recovered. Suppose Lee Nicholls gets a long term injury the day after the transfer window closes. Are we happy that Bilo is ready to play long term? That he won't need pulling out of the limelight if his confidence dips? We had no option but to stick with Schofield because the alternative was a bloke who made him look like Lev Yashin by comparison. Whilst I'm sure Jacob Chapman and Giosue Bellagambi are both miles better than The Hologram, they too are just kids. I'm not happy with either of them having regular first team football yet at this level either. Far better IMO to get competent, experienced backup for LN, send Bilo and Bellagambi out on loan where they'll get regular first team minutes at a more forgiving level, and have Chapman competing with the new guy for a slot on the bench and a few games in the cups. Few valid points and a few straw men in there. I said separately I’d like Bilo to get a loan, I wouldn’t want him as backup because he needs game time and I’d rather we have experience to rely on in a pinch. The comparison with RS and Bilo is a separate point to what to do with Bilo for this year. I have no idea about Chapman or Bellagambi and didn’t reference them. You might not remember that Boro game, I do because one of my best mates supports them and he was asking me about the keeper. He was flapping at crosses from behind the goal line then and looked like a deer in headlights, it was clear as day that it was a clear weakness. Bilo has no similar huge weaknesses. No one could predict the lack of confidence he had just from that first game or two, it could be put down to nerves at that point but over time it seemed that it's probably a fatal weakness for his career. For clarity, I wasn't trying to straw man you. Just adding additional points regarding the goalkeeper situation as we currently have 1 excellent one and 3 promising kids for that position. Perhaps you rate Bilo more than I do, maybe I was more surprised by the precipitous decline in Ryan Schofield than you were, but broadly I think we're on the same page. A year of regular first team football in (say) League 2 and I'd be far more confident of having him as a potential regular in the first team here. |
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