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Post by Porrohman on Nov 13, 2023 19:08:01 GMT 1
It was the second game wasn't it? Certainly wasn't the first. Whereas Warnock united the fans in an instant earlier this year. How many games did it take NW to unite the fan base in his FIRST spell in charge? You seem to be comparing different scenarios. God knows cos the football was dire in his first season. |
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Post by sabailand on Nov 13, 2023 19:16:47 GMT 1
How many games did it take NW to unite the fan base in his FIRST spell in charge? You seem to be comparing different scenarios. God knows cos the football was dire in his first season. Yes it took time to start seeing an inprovement, the first two thirds of that first season were piss poor, but the last third our from was brilliant only losing three games in about fifteen culminating in a trip to Wembley, then it got better the season after. |
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 13, 2023 19:28:27 GMT 1
Great. He ‘might’ do well. Let’s spaff a load more money on everything but players and see how that pans out. The question is "Do you think Wagner would do better RIGHT NOW with the squad we have, and result in momentum and points gained over the next nine games before the window opens, that would see us pull further away from the drop zone than we're likely to be with DM at the helm?" And if the answer is "probably yes", then why wouldn't we do everything we could to bring in someone like Wagner? Why is it probably yes ? The only player left is Hoggy, the rest bar Lees won'tknow who he is, the squad is piss poor and couldn't play the style Kaiser Dave wants. |
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 13, 2023 19:30:46 GMT 1
I keep seeing reference to what he's done since he left us. I would remind folk to look at what he had done BEFORE he joined us. Besides there is now a precendent for blokes called Dave coming back into the fold. And look what a fuck up that c*** made before he lost his job. |
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 13, 2023 19:33:43 GMT 1
God knows cos the football was dire in his first season. Yes it took time to start seeing an inprovement, the first two thirds of that first season were piss poor, but the last third our from was brilliant only losing three games in about fifteen culminating in a trip to Wembley, then it got better the season after. But the hoofball was still shit, we didn't start playing football til we moved to the new stadium. |
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Post by shawsie on Nov 13, 2023 20:04:29 GMT 1
How many games did it take NW to unite the fan base in his FIRST spell in charge? You seem to be comparing different scenarios. God knows cos the football was dire in his first season. Tbf he wouldnt have got a 2nd season in the current climate. |
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Post by workshyfop on Nov 13, 2023 20:08:24 GMT 1
God knows cos the football was dire in his first season. Tbf he wouldnt have got a 2nd season in the current climate. He wouldn’t have got a second game. Didn’t we lose 3-0 at home to Reading in his first game (I think it may have been 3-0 at half-time and I remember NW was annoyed by Mark McGee whistling as he walked down the tunnel)?! |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 13, 2023 21:07:37 GMT 1
Tbf he wouldnt have got a 2nd season in the current climate. He wouldn’t have got a second game. Didn’t we lose 3-0 at home to Reading in his first game (I think it may have been 3-0 at half-time and I remember NW was annoyed by Mark McGee whistling as he walked down the tunnel)?! My Dad always tells of two incidents from that season. First one was in the Autoglass, where a young Danny Murphy scored a screamer of a goal in front of 2,287. Some bloke started chanting "Warnock Out" as soon as it hit the back of the net and they exchanged a few choice words and a shove. Then a match against Brighton in March 1994, where he recalls more-or-less the whole ground singing "Neil Warnock, you're a wanker, you're a wanker". He always says that the Autoglass saved him and before that, most of the fans absolutely hated him. Obviously after going on to do what he did in 1994-95, it's seldom mentioned, but he was deeply unpopular. Reading the letters in The Examiner from around that time are golden, including this classic from October 1993:  |
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Post by space hardware on Nov 13, 2023 21:09:56 GMT 1
Cant help thinking that if w'ed appointed someone else back in September who'd then got 7 points from these last 9 games causing a lot of calls for them to be sacked..,, one of the main names being bandied about to bring in as our next manager would be Darren Moore. Think you've got to give the guy a chance to shape his own squad. Its a risk of course it is, but so is appointing the next bloke,,,and the next bloke...and so on. Sooner or later you have to stick with one for a while and give him the backing to do the job. I can't think of a single scenario where I would personally have wanted Darren Moore to be our manager, sorry. |
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Post by space hardware on Nov 13, 2023 21:16:15 GMT 1
He wouldn’t have got a second game. Didn’t we lose 3-0 at home to Reading in his first game (I think it may have been 3-0 at half-time and I remember NW was annoyed by Mark McGee whistling as he walked down the tunnel)?! My Dad always tells of two incidents from that season. First one was in the Autoglass, where a young Danny Murphy scored a screamer of a goal in front of 2,287. Some bloke started chanting "Warnock Out" as soon as it hit the back of the net and they exchanged a few choice words and a shove. Then a match against Brighton in March 1994, where he recalls more-or-less the whole ground singing "Neil Warnock, you're a wanker, you're a wanker". He always says that the Autoglass saved him and before that, most of the fans absolutely hated him. Obviously after going on to do what he did in 1994-95, it's seldom mentioned, but he was deeply unpopular. Reading the letters in The Examiner from around that time are golden, including this classic from October 1993: I love those "Angry from Tunbridge Wells" letters from the days before the internet. Imagine sitting down, quill in hand and penning a stern essay like that 😂😂 |
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Post by workshyfop on Nov 13, 2023 21:25:43 GMT 1
He wouldn’t have got a second game. Didn’t we lose 3-0 at home to Reading in his first game (I think it may have been 3-0 at half-time and I remember NW was annoyed by Mark McGee whistling as he walked down the tunnel)?! My Dad always tells of two incidents from that season. First one was in the Autoglass, where a young Danny Murphy scored a screamer of a goal in front of 2,287. Some bloke started chanting "Warnock Out" as soon as it hit the back of the net and they exchanged a few choice words and a shove. Then a match against Brighton in March 1994, where he recalls more-or-less the whole ground singing "Neil Warnock, you're a wanker, you're a wanker". He always says that the Autoglass saved him and before that, most of the fans absolutely hated him. Obviously after going on to do what he did in 1994-95, it's seldom mentioned, but he was deeply unpopular. Reading the letters in The Examiner from around that time are golden, including this classic from October 1993: When we lost at home to a hapless Barnet side (who finished bottom and hadn’t won a game at that point and only won 4/5 all season), people weren’t calling him a genius that’s for sure! |
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 13, 2023 21:33:15 GMT 1
He wouldn’t have got a second game. Didn’t we lose 3-0 at home to Reading in his first game (I think it may have been 3-0 at half-time and I remember NW was annoyed by Mark McGee whistling as he walked down the tunnel)?! My Dad always tells of two incidents from that season. First one was in the Autoglass, where a young Danny Murphy scored a screamer of a goal in front of 2,287. Some bloke started chanting "Warnock Out" as soon as it hit the back of the net and they exchanged a few choice words and a shove. Then a match against Brighton in March 1994, where he recalls more-or-less the whole ground singing "Neil Warnock, you're a wanker, you're a wanker". He always says that the Autoglass saved him and before that, most of the fans absolutely hated him. Obviously after going on to do what he did in 1994-95, it's seldom mentioned, but he was deeply unpopular. Reading the letters in The Examiner from around that time are golden, including this classic from October 1993: In an Examiner article previewing the following days game, Warnock said if anyone's unhappy eith the football, come see me after the game and I'll refund the entrance fee. A lad I know waited for him and asked for his money. "Don't be a dickhead, lad" was the reply. He never went to another game. He died the day we beat the Chesties 4-1 at Bellend Road. |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 13, 2023 22:56:34 GMT 1
The question is "Do you think Wagner would do better RIGHT NOW with the squad we have, and result in momentum and points gained over the next nine games before the window opens, that would see us pull further away from the drop zone than we're likely to be with DM at the helm?" And if the answer is "probably yes", then why wouldn't we do everything we could to bring in someone like Wagner? Why is it probably yes ? The only player left is Hoggy, the rest bar Lees won'tknow who he is, the squad is piss poor and couldn't play the style Kaiser Dave wants. I didn't write the answer *is* probably yes, I purposely used the word *if*. My personal opinion is that the answer to that question is more like "possibly yes" - definitely not a risk worth taking. BUT - I think there must be managers out there within our range who ARE "probably yes" answers...and I think from what I've seen and heard from DM so far (and this is also being mindful of the difficult circumstances he's working in), that if I found a "probably yes", I'd be going out of my way to get him on board right now - rather than just building a dossier succession plan for some future time when DM has to inevitably leave. |
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Post by ambryboy on Nov 13, 2023 23:06:21 GMT 1
My Dad always tells of two incidents from that season. First one was in the Autoglass, where a young Danny Murphy scored a screamer of a goal in front of 2,287. Some bloke started chanting "Warnock Out" as soon as it hit the back of the net and they exchanged a few choice words and a shove. Then a match against Brighton in March 1994, where he recalls more-or-less the whole ground singing "Neil Warnock, you're a wanker, you're a wanker". He always says that the Autoglass saved him and before that, most of the fans absolutely hated him. Obviously after going on to do what he did in 1994-95, it's seldom mentioned, but he was deeply unpopular. Reading the letters in The Examiner from around that time are golden, including this classic from October 1993: I love those "Angry from Tunbridge Wells" letters from the days before the internet. Imagine sitting down, quill in hand and penning a stern essay like that 😂😂 Writing a proper angry letter was quite cathartic, much better (and harder to ignore) than a snotty email  |
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Post by space hardware on Nov 13, 2023 23:35:50 GMT 1
I love those "Angry from Tunbridge Wells" letters from the days before the internet. Imagine sitting down, quill in hand and penning a stern essay like that 😂😂 Writing a proper angry letter was quite cathartic, much better (and harder to ignore) than a snotty email Handwritten, in a licked envelope with a licked second class stamp (we're from Yorkshire) on it. Classic |
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 14, 2023 10:09:39 GMT 1
Know what you mean. Not sure I think Moore isnt a fit here yet though. I think hes just struggling to find a team that can play how he wants them to play ( whatever that is...I genuinely dont know yet) Too many injuries and just not the sort of players he wants maybe?. So he's been shoehorning players into different roles in the hope it clicked..then when that wasnt working hes gone much more pragmatic and is basically just trying to eke out as many points as he can until the window opens and he can do something about it. Corborans a good example of how sticking with a manager can be a big benefit. His record ( points per game ) in that first season was almost exactly the same as Fotheringham got here last season. Both were contending with an injury crisis..Fotheringham more so if anything. Many wanted him out, myself included, but we didnt , we stuck with him,,brought in a whole raft of new players for him to build a side with and it almost paid off handsomely. Its always such a gamble but I think in Moores case, at least he has a track record you can pin some optimism on. Hes shown at all 3 previous clubs that he can put a winning team out on a regular basis. He had a big injury crisis but you could see it. Moore can see nothing, he will take us down I am completely convinced. Hoyle would have sacked him by now IMO. Far from it IMO. I saw a bloke frantically waving his arms about on the touchline and his team seemingly not having a clue how he wanted them to play. You could barely understand him in his interviews which cant have helped. He looked out of his depth I thought. You could be right about Hoyle but on the other hand he stuck with Carlos so maybe not. |
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Post by Sio on Nov 14, 2023 10:22:06 GMT 1
Was pretty quickly obvious Coberan was a quality coach IMO. He had a big injury crisis but you could see it. Moore can see nothing, he will take us down I am completely convinced. Hoyle would have sacked him by now IMO. Far from it IMO. I saw a bloke frantically waving his arms about on the touchline and his team seemingly not having a clue how he wanted them to play. You could barely understand him in his interviews which cant have helped. He looked out of his depth I thought.
You could be right about Hoyle but on the other hand he stuck with Carlos so maybe not. Yet still won 4 of his first 9 league games with a side who just survived relegation the year before. Whether you noticed his style of play or not (personally I thought it was evident), you could hardly argue with his initial impact in getting some points on the board. Moore has done neither, so far. |
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 14, 2023 10:22:48 GMT 1
Was pretty quickly obvious Coberan was a quality coach IMO. He had a big injury crisis but you could see it. Moore can see nothing, he will take us down I am completely convinced. Hoyle would have sacked him by now IMO. Far from it IMO. I saw a bloke frantically waving his arms about on the touchline and his team seemingly not having a clue how he wanted them to play. You could barely understand him in his interviews which cant have helped. He looked out of his depth I thought. You could be right about Hoyle but on the other hand he stuck with Carlos so maybe not. We played some great stuff when he took over 🤔, length of the pitch goals etc. |
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Post by space hardware on Nov 14, 2023 10:25:05 GMT 1
Was pretty quickly obvious Coberan was a quality coach IMO. He had a big injury crisis but you could see it. Moore can see nothing, he will take us down I am completely convinced. Hoyle would have sacked him by now IMO. Far from it IMO. I saw a bloke frantically waving his arms about on the touchline and his team seemingly not having a clue how he wanted them to play. You could barely understand him in his interviews which cant have helped. He looked out of his depth I thought. You could be right about Hoyle but on the other hand he stuck with Carlos so maybe not. Wasn't it Potless who was in charge at that time? When he stepped down, Feb 2022 (?), we were firmly nestled in the play off positions. |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 14, 2023 10:30:18 GMT 1
Far from it IMO. I saw a bloke frantically waving his arms about on the touchline and his team seemingly not having a clue how he wanted them to play. You could barely understand him in his interviews which cant have helped. He looked out of his depth I thought. You could be right about Hoyle but on the other hand he stuck with Carlos so maybe not. Wasn't it Potless who was in charge at that time? When he stepped down, Feb 2022 (?), we were firmly nestled in the play off positions. He stepped down in October 2021 at the Hull City match when he informed Dean Hoyle at half-time that he was potless and couldn't afford to run the club anymore. |
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Post by space hardware on Nov 14, 2023 10:34:29 GMT 1
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 14, 2023 10:38:14 GMT 1
It was common knowledge that he had no further involvement from that game. Especially as it had been announced in October 2021 that PURE had gone under. Yes, an incredible mess. |
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Post by k1man999 on Nov 14, 2023 10:43:29 GMT 1
Was pretty quickly obvious Coberan was a quality coach IMO. He had a big injury crisis but you could see it. Moore can see nothing, he will take us down I am completely convinced. Hoyle would have sacked him by now IMO. Far from it IMO. I saw a bloke frantically waving his arms about on the touchline and his team seemingly not having a clue how he wanted them to play. You could barely understand him in his interviews which cant have helped. He looked out of his depth I thought. You could be right about Hoyle but on the other hand he stuck with Carlos so maybe not. When he first come in you could clearly see patterns of play it was quite expansive until Injury hit then we struggled. Then we got players in that didn't fit that style so like all good managers he adapted and nearly got promotion with players like Nicholls, Pearson, Lees etc NW came in and got a similar tune out of the squad on form one of the best teams in league from when he came in. Thing is a lot of modern managers have one way of playing drummed into them at coaching school rather than adapt to what they have. Never wanted Moore just don't rate him and seen nothing so far to suggest he's the man to take us forward.hope I'm wrong |
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Post by richhtfc on Nov 14, 2023 10:56:40 GMT 1
He wouldn’t have got a second game. Didn’t we lose 3-0 at home to Reading in his first game (I think it may have been 3-0 at half-time and I remember NW was annoyed by Mark McGee whistling as he walked down the tunnel)?! My Dad always tells of two incidents from that season. First one was in the Autoglass, where a young Danny Murphy scored a screamer of a goal in front of 2,287. Some bloke started chanting "Warnock Out" as soon as it hit the back of the net and they exchanged a few choice words and a shove. Then a match against Brighton in March 1994, where he recalls more-or-less the whole ground singing "Neil Warnock, you're a wanker, you're a wanker". He always says that the Autoglass saved him and before that, most of the fans absolutely hated him. Obviously after going on to do what he did in 1994-95, it's seldom mentioned, but he was deeply unpopular. Reading the letters in The Examiner from around that time are golden, including this classic from October 1993: Great letter full of hyperbolic nonsense, worst this, worst that, just shows how little has changed with the club and the fans. |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 14, 2023 11:02:18 GMT 1
My Dad always tells of two incidents from that season. First one was in the Autoglass, where a young Danny Murphy scored a screamer of a goal in front of 2,287. Some bloke started chanting "Warnock Out" as soon as it hit the back of the net and they exchanged a few choice words and a shove. Then a match against Brighton in March 1994, where he recalls more-or-less the whole ground singing "Neil Warnock, you're a wanker, you're a wanker". He always says that the Autoglass saved him and before that, most of the fans absolutely hated him. Obviously after going on to do what he did in 1994-95, it's seldom mentioned, but he was deeply unpopular. Reading the letters in The Examiner from around that time are golden, including this classic from October 1993: Great letter full of hyperbolic nonsense, worst this, worst that, just shows how little has changed with the club and the fans. And relevant to this thread especially, I have found numerous letters from the 1990s to 2000s of various fans demanding we bring back various ex managers, or players. It's hilarious just how little anything has actually changed.     |
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Post by irverino on Nov 14, 2023 11:21:45 GMT 1
Warnock had a late start 1st time & probably our 1st Wembley appearance for years bought him some time......NW's 'Middlesbro moment' was Blackpool away, a pity 100's were locked out & missed it.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 14, 2023 11:52:44 GMT 1
Wonder what AJ Trsynor, if he is still with us, made of last season?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 14, 2023 11:55:31 GMT 1
He wouldn’t have got a second game. Didn’t we lose 3-0 at home to Reading in his first game (I think it may have been 3-0 at half-time and I remember NW was annoyed by Mark McGee whistling as he walked down the tunnel)?! My Dad always tells of two incidents from that season. First one was in the Autoglass, where a young Danny Murphy scored a screamer of a goal in front of 2,287. Some bloke started chanting "Warnock Out" as soon as it hit the back of the net and they exchanged a few choice words and a shove. Then a match against Brighton in March 1994, where he recalls more-or-less the whole ground singing "Neil Warnock, you're a wanker, you're a wanker". He always says that the Autoglass saved him and before that, most of the fans absolutely hated him. Obviously after going on to do what he did in 1994-95, it's seldom mentioned, but he was deeply unpopular. Reading the letters in The Examiner from around that time are golden, including this classic from October 1993: That Crewe game was quite an enjoyable and entertaining game for the 2287 of us that bothered. Quite end to end and Danny Murphy did score for Crewe that night. Think Warnock admitted jn one of his books that the Autoglass run saved his job at Town. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Nov 14, 2023 11:58:54 GMT 1
Great letter full of hyperbolic nonsense, worst this, worst that, just shows how little has changed with the club and the fans. And relevant to this thread especially, I have found numerous letters from the 1990s to 2000s of various fans demanding we bring back various ex managers, or players. It's hilarious just how little anything has actually changed. What has changed is that people actually had to put some effort in to writing to the Examiner and, on the whole, attached their name (and address!) to it. The content was very similar though. I say this as the proud recipient of a letter of the month award in about 1985, pictured in the paper with my prize - a pen from Whiteley’s. Wheatley Dyson’s ((Whiteley’s was a chip shop I think!) |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 14, 2023 12:20:08 GMT 1
And relevant to this thread especially, I have found numerous letters from the 1990s to 2000s of various fans demanding we bring back various ex managers, or players. It's hilarious just how little anything has actually changed. What has changed is that people actually had to put some effort in to writing to the Examiner and, on the whole, attached their name (and address!) to it. The content was very similar though. I say this as the proud recipient of a letter of the month award in about 1985, pictured in the paper with my prize - a pen from Whiteley’s. Wheatley Dyson’s ((Whiteley’s was a chip shop I think!) 1982? For a volcano diagram?  |
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