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Post by artysid on May 17, 2023 12:01:04 GMT 1
Missed all the nastiness. Went on the TOG coaches, Parked about 100 yds from entrance, not a Forest fan to be seen, too late to wander around, so straight into ground for a few bevvies. No Forest fans in our section that I could see (saw a dozen or so below in the "Wembley Club" section when we were leaving, but that was it). Some of my mates hung around Wembley both before and after for a few drinks but didn't recount any bad interaction with Forest fans. That said, it's obvious others had a different experience.
The rivalry I never get is Peterborough. They beat us twice in play-off's and celebrated, and their Chairman took the piss out of us (I actually found it quite funny - but each to their own) .That's it? I wasn't there but if any set of fans behaved like dickheads it sounds like it was us after the play off loss at Leeds Rd - must have been quite frightening for the Peterborough fans from what I've heard.
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Post by ldr on May 17, 2023 12:08:51 GMT 1
Missed all the nastiness. Went on the TOG coaches, Parked about 100 yds from entrance, not a Forest fan to be seen, too late to wander around, so straight into ground for a few bevvies. No Forest fans in our section that I could see (saw a dozen or so below in the "Wembley Club" section when we were leaving, but that was it). Some of my mates hung around Wembley both before and after for a few drinks but didn't recount any bad interaction with Forest fans. That said, it's obvious others had a different experience. The rivalry I never get is Peterborough. They beat us twice in play-off's and celebrated, and their Chairman took the piss out of us (I actually found it quite funny - but each to their own) .That's it? I wasn't there but if any set of fans behaved like dickheads it sounds like it was us after the play off loss at Leeds Rd - must have been quite frightening for the Peterborough fans from what I've heard. It was fairly grim in the ground. Police dogs on the pitch and a lot of threatening behaviour. But, it got a lot worse outside. I personally saw some fairly sickening and unprovoked attacks from Town fans. Some lads lost control that night.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 17, 2023 12:10:34 GMT 1
Like many of here, I’ve come across fans of many football clubs over the years. Last year at Wembley was my worst ever experience. To make a weekend of it, we booked into a hotel for the night before the game, close to Wembley Stadium. Take in the atmosphere and experience the anticipation of such an important game etc. in the hotel, Forest fans were abusive to families with kids, they were aggressive towards female Town fans and I didn’t witness one person who was prepared to have friendly banter. Before the game we went for a walk and were abused constantly ( I can take it but not very pleasant for my wife) After the game, at Kings Cross Station, when Town fans boarded the train we were all abused again. This wasn’t banter - it was venomous. If you didn’t attend Wembley, you have no idea how bad these people were. Not doubting your experience, but other than a couple of lads in the services on M1 heading down, I didn't encounter anything like this around the ground from the Forest lot we walked by at all points. But, recalling all the social media postings, undoubtedly they do have a rather distasteful fan culture. I was probably more exposed to them for longer because we stayed the night before the game.
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Post by ldr on May 17, 2023 12:14:24 GMT 1
Ditto. If a rivalry is based on the behaviour of the manager, chairman, players etc (as the Eagles/Seagulls rivalry is) then I might let it go. Brennan Johnson comes across as a fairly unpleasant character for example. But whilst the staff come and go (and therefore the reason for animosity disappears), the fans remain. And the Forest fans had WAY more than their fair share of pointlessly aggressive, arrogant bell ends. Every club has its decent fans and it's dickheads, but also every club has an over-riding culture amongst its fan base. It's why I have a small soft spot for Brighton, Brentford and Reading. Forest's fan culture on the other hand is not one that I particularly care for. It's a recent rivalry, but for me I expect it to last. I hope they go bust. Like many of here, I’ve come across fans of many football clubs over the years. Last year at Wembley was my worst ever experience. To make a weekend of it, we booked into a hotel for the night before the game, close to Wembley Stadium. Take in the atmosphere and experience the anticipation of such an important game etc. in the hotel, Forest fans were abusive to families with kids, they were aggressive towards female Town fans and I didn’t witness one person who was prepared to have friendly banter. Before the game we went for a walk and were abused constantly ( I can take it but not very pleasant for my wife) After the game, at Kings Cross Station, when Town fans boarded the train we were all abused again. This wasn’t banter - it was venomous. If you didn’t attend Wembley, you have no idea how bad these people were. A colleague of mine who has a disability was mocked repeatedly on the day, including in the hotel where she was staying. That is really reprehensible behaviour.
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Post by Porrohman on May 17, 2023 12:19:13 GMT 1
I've always held the theory that the depth of feeling towards Leeds is stronger on the Leeds side of Huddersfield. I grew up in Moldgreen/Dalton and then moved to Wooldale/Holmfirth as a young un so they never really affected me. We rarely played them. Don't have any Leeds supporting friends or family or work colleagues. I believe folk from Mirfield, Dewsbury, Hecky, Battyeford, Cleckheaton etc may be more in contact with Leeds fans or family who are 'wrong uns' and probably feel closer to the enemy so to speak and thus the depth of feeling is stronger. No way. I've always lived on the Colne Valley side of Town and I don't know a single Town fan that doesn't hate Leeds.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 17, 2023 12:32:03 GMT 1
Like many of here, I’ve come across fans of many football clubs over the years. Last year at Wembley was my worst ever experience. To make a weekend of it, we booked into a hotel for the night before the game, close to Wembley Stadium. Take in the atmosphere and experience the anticipation of such an important game etc. in the hotel, Forest fans were abusive to families with kids, they were aggressive towards female Town fans and I didn’t witness one person who was prepared to have friendly banter. Before the game we went for a walk and were abused constantly ( I can take it but not very pleasant for my wife) After the game, at Kings Cross Station, when Town fans boarded the train we were all abused again. This wasn’t banter - it was venomous. If you didn’t attend Wembley, you have no idea how bad these people were. A colleague of mine who has a disability was mocked repeatedly on the day, including in the hotel where she was staying. That is really reprehensible behaviour. That is truly disgraceful.
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Post by Mastercracker on May 17, 2023 13:38:11 GMT 1
Not doubting your experience, but other than a couple of lads in the services on M1 heading down, I didn't encounter anything like this around the ground from the Forest lot we walked by at all points. But, recalling all the social media postings, undoubtedly they do have a rather distasteful fan culture. I was probably more exposed to them for longer because we stayed the night before the game. What I didn't understand was the number of them that were already outside giving it big licks at the final whistle. I was literally out within 30 seconds of the whistle blowing and there were c**** outside goading Town fans. I wouldn't have missed the scenes post final whistle in 2017 for the chance to goad every single Leeds fan on earth, never mind just to goad a random clubs fans. It was a fanbase desperate to look big and still relevant.
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Post by Bilo the Bantam on May 17, 2023 13:44:34 GMT 1
I was probably more exposed to them for longer because we stayed the night before the game. What I didn't understand was the number of them that were already outside giving it big licks at the final whistle. I was literally out within 30 seconds of the whistle blowing and there were cards outside goading Town fans. I wouldn't have missed the scenes post final whistle in 2017 for the chance to goad every single Leeds fan on earth, never mind just to goad a random clubs fans. It was a fanbase desperate to look big and still relevant. Millwall were exactly the same at Wembley. Thousands of their ‘fans’ must have left the stadium within five minutes of full time instead of celebrating promotion. Very odd.
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Post by brighousebandbred on May 17, 2023 16:05:05 GMT 1
What I didn't understand was the number of them that were already outside giving it big licks at the final whistle. I was literally out within 30 seconds of the whistle blowing and there were cards outside goading Town fans. I wouldn't have missed the scenes post final whistle in 2017 for the chance to goad every single Leeds fan on earth, never mind just to goad a random clubs fans. It was a fanbase desperate to look big and still relevant. Millwall were exactly the same at Wembley. Thousands of their ‘fans’ must have left the stadium within five minutes of full time instead of celebrating promotion. Very odd. Could imagine Millwall being one of the worst possible play off final opponents, them and Leeds ( and forest).
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Post by ldr on May 17, 2023 16:23:36 GMT 1
Serious question: would folk go to Wembley again if we get into the play off final? Last years trip was shit for me. £100 a ticket, probably spent near £400 on the whole day. Shite atmosphere, shite drink, shite food, fucking work the next day, Forest wankers allowed in our end, fat fuck of a ref and swizzed by VAR. Maybe it would have been different if we had won.
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Post by Tinpot on May 17, 2023 16:24:03 GMT 1
Missed all the nastiness. Went on the TOG coaches, Parked about 100 yds from entrance, not a Forest fan to be seen, too late to wander around, so straight into ground for a few bevvies. No Forest fans in our section that I could see (saw a dozen or so below in the "Wembley Club" section when we were leaving, but that was it). Some of my mates hung around Wembley both before and after for a few drinks but didn't recount any bad interaction with Forest fans. That said, it's obvious others had a different experience. The rivalry I never get is Peterborough. They beat us twice in play-off's and celebrated, and their Chairman took the piss out of us (I actually found it quite funny - but each to their own) .That's it? I wasn't there but if any set of fans behaved like dickheads it sounds like it was us after the play off loss at Leeds Rd - must have been quite frightening for the Peterborough fans from what I've heard. With you on the Posh rivalry (and I found Darragh MacAntony's banter in 2011 quite amusing too). I was 13 for the 1992 playoff. First experience of a serious promotion campaign and to me as a kid it was all just really exciting. My mum was bloody terrified when she came to pick us up from the ground but that didn't register with me at all. How much of the aggro that night came from us and how much from them I honestly don't know. I do remember the police dogs on the pitch. I got swept along with the emotion of it all and went on the pitch myself, but shat myself a bit when the police showed up. I think the rivalry has remained simply because for a long time we have been in the same division, and been fairly regular rivals in terms of both going for promotion or trying to escape relegation. Can't say they've actually done anything wrong though and for me it's a friendly rivalry.
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Post by ldr on May 17, 2023 16:27:23 GMT 1
Missed all the nastiness. Went on the TOG coaches, Parked about 100 yds from entrance, not a Forest fan to be seen, too late to wander around, so straight into ground for a few bevvies. No Forest fans in our section that I could see (saw a dozen or so below in the "Wembley Club" section when we were leaving, but that was it). Some of my mates hung around Wembley both before and after for a few drinks but didn't recount any bad interaction with Forest fans. That said, it's obvious others had a different experience. The rivalry I never get is Peterborough. They beat us twice in play-off's and celebrated, and their Chairman took the piss out of us (I actually found it quite funny - but each to their own) .That's it? I wasn't there but if any set of fans behaved like dickheads it sounds like it was us after the play off loss at Leeds Rd - must have been quite frightening for the Peterborough fans from what I've heard. With you on the Posh rivalry (and I found Darragh MacAntony's banter in 2011 quite amusing too). I was 13 for the 1992 playoff. First experience of a serious promotion campaign and to me as a kid it was all just really exciting. My mum was bloody terrified when she came to pick us up from the ground but that didn't register with me at all. How much of the aggro that night came from us and how much from them I honestly don't know. I do remember the police dogs on the pitch. I got swept along with the emotion of it all and went on the pitch myself, but shat myself a bit when the police showed up. I think the rivalry has remained simply because for a long time we have been in the same division, and been fairly regular rivals in terms of both going for promotion or trying to escape relegation. Can't say they've actually done anything wrong though and for me it's a friendly rivalry. It was all us mate as far as I can remember. I even think some Town lads were nibbling at each other in Town. A fair few shop windows kicked in and cars attacked. It was pretty Wild West.
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Post by Tinpot on May 17, 2023 16:27:33 GMT 1
Serious question: would folk go to Wembley again if we get into the play off final? Last years trip was shit for me. £100 a ticket, probably spent near £400 on the whole day. Shite atmosphere, shite drink, shite food, fucking work the next day, Forest wankers allowed in our end, fat fuck of a ref and swizzed by VAR. Maybe it would have been different if we had won. Yes. Yes I would. Last year it was a shit day, but 2017 wasn't shit. 2012 wasn't shit either. And not just because of the results. I don't think we were as excited as a fan base on the day as we had been, but I think we would be now. Not sure why - just a gut feeling. Stewards were less friendly as well as the behaviour of the Forest fans - but I'm working on the premise that it was a one-off.
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Post by Mastercracker on May 17, 2023 16:37:04 GMT 1
Serious question: would folk go to Wembley again if we get into the play off final? Last years trip was shit for me. £100 a ticket, probably spent near £400 on the whole day. Shite atmosphere, shite drink, shite food, fucking work the next day, Forest wankers allowed in our end, fat fuck of a ref and swizzed by VAR. Maybe it would have been different if we had won. Jesus wept, I would fucking hope so.
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Post by Bilo the Bantam on May 17, 2023 16:42:24 GMT 1
Millwall were exactly the same at Wembley. Thousands of their ‘fans’ must have left the stadium within five minutes of full time instead of celebrating promotion. Very odd. Could imagine Millwall being one of the worst possible play off final opponents, them and Leeds ( and forest). Only set of fans I remember invading the Wembley pitch.
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Post by ldr on May 17, 2023 16:47:55 GMT 1
Serious question: would folk go to Wembley again if we get into the play off final? Last years trip was shit for me. £100 a ticket, probably spent near £400 on the whole day. Shite atmosphere, shite drink, shite food, fucking work the next day, Forest wankers allowed in our end, fat fuck of a ref and swizzed by VAR. Maybe it would have been different if we had won. Jesus wept, I would fucking hope so. I asked it because a few I know have said they wouldn’t. I suppose I would as you get carried along in the excitement but it always has the potential to be an expensive, shit day. Of course, the opposite of that is true (2017). For me, Old trafford is irrelevant as I was out of the country but 2012 was crap. We got in during the second half and the match was garbage and the tension of the pens was almost too much. With hindsight, you can say it was a cracking day but it really wasn’t for me. I also don’t like Wembley. But I probably would go if I’m being honest. Interested to hear what others think.
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Post by Tinpot on May 17, 2023 17:26:27 GMT 1
Jesus wept, I would fucking hope so. I asked it because a few I know have said they wouldn’t. I suppose I would as you get carried along in the excitement but it always has the potential to be an expensive, shit day. Of course, the opposite of that is true (2017). For me, Old trafford is irrelevant as I was out of the country but 2012 was crap. We got in during the second half and the match was garbage and the tension of the pens was almost too much. With hindsight, you can say it was a cracking day but it really wasn’t for me. I also don’t like Wembley. But I probably would go if I’m being honest. Interested to hear what others think. 2012 was my favourite. However a lot of that was the atmosphere. Specifically, the atmosphere on our coach was brilliant, we had seats next to the Blades fans and there was a fair bit of banter back and forth (mostly forth if I'm honest).
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 17, 2023 17:43:04 GMT 1
Serious question: would folk go to Wembley again if we get into the play off final? Last years trip was shit for me. £100 a ticket, probably spent near £400 on the whole day. Shite atmosphere, shite drink, shite food, fucking work the next day, Forest wankers allowed in our end, fat fuck of a ref and swizzed by VAR. Maybe it would have been different if we had won. What? I don’t care if I’ve had 100 crap previous visits. If Town are there then so am I.
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Post by sheesh on May 17, 2023 17:44:02 GMT 1
Serious question: would folk go to Wembley again if we get into the play off final? Last years trip was shit for me. £100 a ticket, probably spent near £400 on the whole day. Shite atmosphere, shite drink, shite food, fucking work the next day, Forest wankers allowed in our end, fat fuck of a ref and swizzed by VAR. Maybe it would have been different if we had won. Cost me around a grand for tickets for me and my girlfriend, filghts, train fares, and an overnight at Gatwick. Would I do it again? Probably... But that last trip definitely had its downsides, and I'm not talking about the result. There was a lot of "unpleasantness" which I haven't experienced for a long time.
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Post by ldr on May 17, 2023 17:52:43 GMT 1
Serious question: would folk go to Wembley again if we get into the play off final? Last years trip was shit for me. £100 a ticket, probably spent near £400 on the whole day. Shite atmosphere, shite drink, shite food, fucking work the next day, Forest wankers allowed in our end, fat fuck of a ref and swizzed by VAR. Maybe it would have been different if we had won. What? I don’t care if I’ve had 100 crap previous visits. If Town are there then so am I. Hey! I’m not saying it’s a deffo no from me, just interested in what others think. If it happens, I’ll be carried along on that thing that all football fans possess: hope! Wembley is shit though.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 17, 2023 17:54:58 GMT 1
Serious question: would folk go to Wembley again if we get into the play off final? Last years trip was shit for me. £100 a ticket, probably spent near £400 on the whole day. Shite atmosphere, shite drink, shite food, fucking work the next day, Forest wankers allowed in our end, fat fuck of a ref and swizzed by VAR. Maybe it would have been different if we had won. Cost me around a grand for tickets for me and my girlfriend, filghts, train fares, and an overnight at Gatwick. Would I do it again? Probably... But that last trip definitely had its downsides, and I'm not talking about the result. There was a lot of "unpleasantness" which I haven't experienced for a long time. Agree. But in contrast, previous visits have been very pleasant. Just shows how many people feel the same about the Notts Forest fans. Not mentioned this before, but my experience was that their animal like behaviour was caused by people of all ages not just their young fans.
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Post by sheesh on May 17, 2023 18:00:21 GMT 1
Cost me around a grand for tickets for me and my girlfriend, filghts, train fares, and an overnight at Gatwick. Would I do it again? Probably... But that last trip definitely had its downsides, and I'm not talking about the result. There was a lot of "unpleasantness" which I haven't experienced for a long time. Agree. But in contrast, previous visits have been very pleasant. Just shows how many people feel the same about the Notts Forest fans. Not mentioned this before, but my experience was that their animal like behaviour was caused by people of all ages not just their young fans. Indeed... we left after the final whistle and were making our way back to the tube station only to be "greeted" by 3 forest "fans" who got right in my face... and I got the distinct impression that had a couple of policeman stood nearby not "shown an interest" the situation would have developed. It was nothing I did... I barely glanced at them (though I did wonder why they weren't inside celebrating - not that I said that). They were easily in their 40s. My girlfriend and I are in our 50s, and no doubt looked every day of it
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 17, 2023 18:02:47 GMT 1
Agree. But in contrast, previous visits have been very pleasant. Just shows how many people feel the same about the Notts Forest fans. Not mentioned this before, but my experience was that their animal like behaviour was caused by people of all ages not just their young fans. Indeed... we left after the final whistle and were making our way back to the tube station only to be "greeted" by 3 forest "fans" who got right in my face... and I got the distinct impression that had a couple of policeman stood nearby not "shown an interest" the situation would have developed. It was nothing I did... I barely glanced at them (though I did wonder why they weren't inside celebrating - not that I said that). They were easily in their 40s. My girlfriend and I are in our 50s, and no doubt looked every day of it And people wonder why some us want them to get relegated.
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Post by sabailand on May 17, 2023 18:03:10 GMT 1
I'd definitely go again, playoff finals are huge games that have massive implications, i wouldnt traipse up and down the country to away games and then miss a playoff final.
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Post by sabailand on May 17, 2023 18:07:53 GMT 1
Agree. But in contrast, previous visits have been very pleasant. Just shows how many people feel the same about the Notts Forest fans. Not mentioned this before, but my experience was that their animal like behaviour was caused by people of all ages not just their young fans. Indeed... we left after the final whistle and were making our way back to the tube station only to be "greeted" by 3 forest "fans" who got right in my face... and I got the distinct impression that had a couple of policeman stood nearby not "shown an interest" the situation would have developed. It was nothing I did... I barely glanced at them (though I did wonder why they weren't inside celebrating - not that I said that). They were easily in their 40s. My girlfriend and I are in our 50s, and no doubt looked every day of it If you'd have seen them on the platform and pushed them into the path of an oncoming train, i'd have thought it quite funny and congratulated you on doing the right and proper thing.
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Post by htfc1908 on May 17, 2023 18:11:26 GMT 1
I've always held the theory that the depth of feeling towards Leeds is stronger on the Leeds side of Huddersfield. I grew up in Moldgreen/Dalton and then moved to Wooldale/Holmfirth as a young un so they never really affected me. We rarely played them. Don't have any Leeds supporting friends or family or work colleagues. I believe folk from Mirfield, Dewsbury, Hecky, Battyeford, Cleckheaton etc may be more in contact with Leeds fans or family who are 'wrong uns' and probably feel closer to the enemy so to speak and thus the depth of feeling is stronger. No way. I've always lived on the Colne Valley side of Town and I don't know a single Town fan that doesn't hate Leeds. Same here and as a child the biggest insult you could give someone was to call them "a Leeds fan!"
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Post by turbo2 on May 17, 2023 18:20:47 GMT 1
Millwall were exactly the same at Wembley. Thousands of their ‘fans’ must have left the stadium within five minutes of full time instead of celebrating promotion. Very odd. Could imagine Millwall being one of the worst possible play off final opponents, them and Leeds ( and forest). I went to Wembley playoff Millwall vs Barnsley. Took my eldest. The Millwall lot outside were a disgrace. And it only got worse when Barnsley were winning easily. Horrible club
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Post by rocky on May 17, 2023 18:55:01 GMT 1
Ditto. If a rivalry is based on the behaviour of the manager, chairman, players etc (as the Eagles/Seagulls rivalry is) then I might let it go. Brennan Johnson comes across as a fairly unpleasant character for example. But whilst the staff come and go (and therefore the reason for animosity disappears), the fans remain. And the Forest fans had WAY more than their fair share of pointlessly aggressive, arrogant bell ends. Every club has its decent fans and it's dickheads, but also every club has an over-riding culture amongst its fan base. It's why I have a small soft spot for Brighton, Brentford and Reading. Forest's fan culture on the other hand is not one that I particularly care for. It's a recent rivalry, but for me I expect it to last. I hope they go bust. Like many of here, I’ve come across fans of many football clubs over the years. Last year at Wembley was my worst ever experience. To make a weekend of it, we booked into a hotel for the night before the game, close to Wembley Stadium. Take in the atmosphere and experience the anticipation of such an important game etc. in the hotel, Forest fans were abusive to families with kids, they were aggressive towards female Town fans and I didn’t witness one person who was prepared to have friendly banter. Before the game we went for a walk and were abused constantly ( I can take it but not very pleasant for my wife) After the game, at Kings Cross Station, when Town fans boarded the train we were all abused again. This wasn’t banter - it was venomous. If you didn’t attend Wembley, you have no idea how bad these people were. Elland Road is such a lovely peaceful place as well.
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Post by brighousebandbred on May 17, 2023 19:25:01 GMT 1
Forest are a really weird club. They aren’t a big club but are situated in a fairly large city, their fan base is good but not excellent , their history is all clumped in a very short time span. They want to be big but aren’t even close and along with this they carry the small man syndrome always having a fucking huge chip on their shoulders, don’t like them will never like them now. We should never compare them with Leeds as it’s just not close. But just for this year I would be happy if either went down and just maybe as a one off forest first.
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Post by CurlyWurly on May 17, 2023 19:34:11 GMT 1
Forest fans are by far the worst fans I've ever come across. Yeah yeah there's some neanderthal Leeds fans but growing up generally they were all ok. Being a wanker and a Forest fan seems to come as a personality trait rather than a choice of football team. Notts County fans are the total opposite, it's like a rite of passage in Nottingham are you a wanker or are you not.
Exhibit A: That ladbaby bloke who does a song for charity every year but some how is a millionaire off it.
Exhibit B: Carl Froch, probably one of the biggest wankers out there
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