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Post by Terriersmad on Aug 11, 2023 16:28:26 GMT 1
I put the clip up to get some views, but don't agree with his analysis. For starters, surely we have to be judged over two seasons. Getting results at Chelsea & Man City to stay up must rank amongst the best relegation survival battles ever? Even in relegation season I don't think we got many thrashings. Holding out until late second half then conceding a soft solidary goal seemed the norm (or maybe that was my imagination?) Plus, prior to Xmas and a combination of a drop in form, Mooy's injury, DH's illness and Herr Wagner's reluctance to continue we weren't actually THAT bad. It all seemed to coalesce to make us completely shite after Xmas, but even then we didn't get MANY tonkings iirc. We were always going down that season, but we weren't as bad as made out until Siewert joined. Wagner had us competing in every game and we were the wrong side of uncontrollables rather than being out-and-out useless. We lost by the odd goal rather than getting thrashed. Take the Liverpool home game as an example. Both sides scored a perfectly good goal. Ours was wrongly ruled out - out of our control. The less said about decisions in the Brighton game the better because there was an even bigger decision after Mounié's sending off when Pritchard was wrestled to the ground when about to make the score 2-0 - clear penalty, clear red card. In our control was fashioning the chance from the set-piece; out of our control was Michael Oliver having an attack of selective blindness. Also in our control was not taking off Pritchard who (really controversial opinion) had a very good game that day and was suited to being the man in behind when we played that 3-5-1-1. Depoitre coming on robbed us of our footballing identity and led to defeat.
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Post by tepidterrier on Aug 11, 2023 16:34:04 GMT 1
Plus, prior to Xmas and a combination of a drop in form, Mooy's injury, DH's illness and Herr Wagner's reluctance to continue we weren't actually THAT bad. It all seemed to coalesce to make us completely shite after Xmas, but even then we didn't get MANY tonkings iirc. We were always going down that season, but we weren't as bad as made out until Siewert joined. Wagner had us competing in every game and we were the wrong side of uncontrollables rather than being out-and-out useless. We lost by the odd goal rather than getting thrashed. Take the Liverpool home game as an example. Both sides scored a perfectly good goal. Ours was wrongly ruled out - out of our control. The less said about decisions in the Brighton game the better because there was an even bigger decision after Mounié's sending off when Pritchard was wrestled to the ground when about to make the score 2-0 - clear penalty, clear red card. In our control was fashioning the chance from the set-piece; out of our control was Michael Oliver having an attack of selective blindness. Also in our control was not taking off Pritchard who (really controversial opinion) had a very good game that day and was suited to being the man in behind when we played that 3-5-1-1. Depoitre coming on robbed us of our footballing identity and led to defeat. Bournemouth away that season is probably the most one sided defeat I've ever seen as a town fan, we absolutely mullered them
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Post by tepidterrier on Aug 11, 2023 16:37:27 GMT 1
After 15 games were 17th in the League with ten points - www.premierleague.com/matchweek/3274/tableWe'd lost a lot of games by a goal and hit the woodwork more times that any team in the league We'd also been on the wrong end of marginal decisions like Milner's clear hand ball, Pritchards offside goal, Hoggs red against Cardiff, Vokes smashing Schindler with an elbow and not getting a red etc We then played Brighton and Oliver gave Mounie the softest red, closed his eyes when Prichard was thrown to the floor in the box and so on Mooy got injured and we played all the teams around in the space of 4 weeks us with more bad luck - Schindler getting two yellow after Mike Dean never made it clear he'd booked him Wagner quit after we had a goal at Cardiff chalked off for reasons unknown and the rot really set in after we appointed a Siewert who was clearly out of his depth I hated that season but there were far worse teams that us across the history of the league Hogg's red was as blatant as anything, completely lost his head (and found it butting Harry Arter's chest!). And in the Cardiff away game it was an overturned penalty not a goal. I think it was a penalty, but not a complete stonewaller like the Forest playoff ones.
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 11, 2023 16:38:03 GMT 1
Plus, prior to Xmas and a combination of a drop in form, Mooy's injury, DH's illness and Herr Wagner's reluctance to continue we weren't actually THAT bad. It all seemed to coalesce to make us completely shite after Xmas, but even then we didn't get MANY tonkings iirc. We were always going down that season, but we weren't as bad as made out until Siewert joined. Wagner had us competing in every game and we were the wrong side of uncontrollables rather than being out-and-out useless. We lost by the odd goal rather than getting thrashed. Take the Liverpool home game as an example. Both sides scored a perfectly good goal. Ours was wrongly ruled out - out of our control. The less said about decisions in the Brighton game the better because there was an even bigger decision after Mounié's sending off when Pritchard was wrestled to the ground when about to make the score 2-0 - clear penalty, clear red card. In our control was fashioning the chance from the set-piece; out of our control was Michael Oliver having an attack of selective blindness. Also in our control was not taking off Pritchard who (really controversial opinion) had a very good game that day and was suited to being the man in behind when we played that 3-5-1-1. Depoitre coming on robbed us of our footballing identity and led to defeat. We won 2 games out of the first 22 games under Wagner, not winning our first game until Bonfire Night. While Siewert was rubbish, let's not pretend that Wagner wasn't rubbish that season. You can blame the odd result on bad luck or refereeing decisions, but not every single game, we went 10 games without a win at the start of the season (one of our WORST EVER starts to a season) and then another 9 without a win before he resigned.
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 11, 2023 16:39:08 GMT 1
After 15 games were 17th in the League with ten points - www.premierleague.com/matchweek/3274/tableWe'd lost a lot of games by a goal and hit the woodwork more times that any team in the league We'd also been on the wrong end of marginal decisions like Milner's clear hand ball, Pritchards offside goal, Hoggs red against Cardiff, Vokes smashing Schindler with an elbow and not getting a red etc We then played Brighton and Oliver gave Mounie the softest red, closed his eyes when Prichard was thrown to the floor in the box and so on Mooy got injured and we played all the teams around in the space of 4 weeks us with more bad luck - Schindler getting two yellow after Mike Dean never made it clear he'd booked him Wagner quit after we had a goal at Cardiff chalked off for reasons unknown and the rot really set in after we appointed a Siewert who was clearly out of his depth I hated that season but there were far worse teams that us across the history of the league Hogg's red was as blatant as anything, completely lost his head (and found it butting Harry Arter's chest!). And in the Cardiff away game it was an overturned penalty not a goal. I think it was a penalty, but not a complete stonewaller like the Forest playoff ones. Hogg raised both hands into Harry Arter's face right in front of the referee, baffling how anyone could query that sending off!
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Post by sabailand on Aug 11, 2023 16:46:29 GMT 1
We were always going down that season, but we weren't as bad as made out until Siewert joined. Wagner had us competing in every game and we were the wrong side of uncontrollables rather than being out-and-out useless. We lost by the odd goal rather than getting thrashed. Take the Liverpool home game as an example. Both sides scored a perfectly good goal. Ours was wrongly ruled out - out of our control. The less said about decisions in the Brighton game the better because there was an even bigger decision after Mounié's sending off when Pritchard was wrestled to the ground when about to make the score 2-0 - clear penalty, clear red card. In our control was fashioning the chance from the set-piece; out of our control was Michael Oliver having an attack of selective blindness. Also in our control was not taking off Pritchard who (really controversial opinion) had a very good game that day and was suited to being the man in behind when we played that 3-5-1-1. Depoitre coming on robbed us of our footballing identity and led to defeat. We won 2 games out of the first 22 games under Wagner, not winning our first game until Bonfire Night. While Siewert was rubbish, let's not pretend that Wagner wasn't rubbish that season. You can blame the odd result on bad luck or refereeing decisions, but not every single game, we went 10 games without a win at the start of the season (one of our WORST EVER starts to a season) and then another 9 without a win before he resigned. Thats the reality, basically that season town were rubbish, the 4th lowest premier league points total ever says so, the odd unlucky incident is no barometer.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 11, 2023 16:48:25 GMT 1
Hogg's red was as blatant as anything, completely lost his head (and found it butting Harry Arter's chest!). And in the Cardiff away game it was an overturned penalty not a goal. I think it was a penalty, but not a complete stonewaller like the Forest playoff ones. Hogg raised both hands into Harry Arter's face right in front of the referee, baffling how anyone could query that sending off! In front of the ref? Watch again from 1 min 50 www.skysports.com/football/news/11740/11481602/huddersfield-0-0-cardiff-jonathan-hogg-sent-off-in-goalless-drawIt's an incident off the ball and after a corner has broken down. When it happens Oliver is looking the other way and running away from the incident - he hadn't got the foggiest idea what was happening! I agree on reflection it's a red but Oliver = not for the first time - gave a bad decision based on what he saw
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Post by townarentbest on Aug 11, 2023 16:54:16 GMT 1
3rd worse team points wise. Sunderland and Derby sit below us with that particular stat. We don't half do extremes. One of only 5 teams to have done top league 3 times back to back and also 3rd worst points total.UTMFT I reckon the worst top flight league performance ever is actually when Leeds finished bottom in '46/'47. Yes, they won more games than we or Derby etc did in those crappy PL seasons, but the '40s were a time when everyone could beat everyone pretty much...points should have been shared around much more evenly, you weren't going into a season writing off 14 games....from Sunderlands title in '36, through to Man Utd winning in '52, only Arsenal and Pompey won it more than once, there were no dominant forces skewing the competition. Therefore...Leeds 18 points top flight finish was worse than ours and is the worst top flight performance by any club in England ever...anyone disagree? Of course, the lowest points tally for an entire season is *ONE POINT* - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939%E2%80%9340_Football_League#First_Division - although I'll let them off on that occasion, given nobody bagged more than 6 points!
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 11, 2023 17:02:22 GMT 1
After 15 games were 17th in the League with ten points - www.premierleague.com/matchweek/3274/tableWe'd lost a lot of games by a goal and hit the woodwork more times that any team in the league We'd also been on the wrong end of marginal decisions like Milner's clear hand ball, Pritchards offside goal, Hoggs red against Cardiff, Vokes smashing Schindler with an elbow and not getting a red etc We then played Brighton and Oliver gave Mounie the softest red, closed his eyes when Prichard was thrown to the floor in the box and so on Mooy got injured and we played all the teams around in the space of 4 weeks us with more bad luck - Schindler getting two yellow after Mike Dean never made it clear he'd booked him Wagner quit after we had a goal at Cardiff chalked off for reasons unknown and the rot really set in after we appointed a Siewert who was clearly out of his depth I hated that season but there were far worse teams that us across the history of the league Hogg's red was as blatant as anything, completely lost his head (and found it butting Harry Arter's chest!). And in the Cardiff away game it was an overturned penalty not a goal. I think it was a penalty, but not a complete stonewaller like the Forest playoff ones. I miss Hoggy’s battles with Arter.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 11, 2023 17:03:10 GMT 1
After 15 games were 17th in the League with ten points - www.premierleague.com/matchweek/3274/tableWe'd lost a lot of games by a goal and hit the woodwork more times that any team in the league We'd also been on the wrong end of marginal decisions like Milner's clear hand ball, Pritchards offside goal, Hoggs red against Cardiff, Vokes smashing Schindler with an elbow and not getting a red etc We then played Brighton and Oliver gave Mounie the softest red, closed his eyes when Prichard was thrown to the floor in the box and so on Mooy got injured and we played all the teams around in the space of 4 weeks us with more bad luck - Schindler getting two yellow after Mike Dean never made it clear he'd booked him Wagner quit after we had a goal at Cardiff chalked off for reasons unknown and the rot really set in after we appointed a Siewert who was clearly out of his depth I hated that season but there were far worse teams that us across the history of the league Hogg's red was as blatant as anything, completely lost his head (and found it butting Harry Arter's chest!). And in the Cardiff away game it was an overturned penalty not a goal. I think it was a penalty, but not a complete stonewaller like the Forest playoff ones. I agree on Hogg having seen it again but Oliver is clearly guessing as he's looking the wrong way - he may have asked the lino but he never seems to in games and usually rushes to get his red card out and/or make a rash game spoiling decision (and that's not just when he refs Town) Your right on the pen. He gave it and then changed his mind after the Cardiff players protested a bit ... I mean how many times does that happen. It just summed up the rotten luck that year
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Post by Terriersmad on Aug 11, 2023 19:58:11 GMT 1
We were always going down that season, but we weren't as bad as made out until Siewert joined. Wagner had us competing in every game and we were the wrong side of uncontrollables rather than being out-and-out useless. We lost by the odd goal rather than getting thrashed. Take the Liverpool home game as an example. Both sides scored a perfectly good goal. Ours was wrongly ruled out - out of our control. The less said about decisions in the Brighton game the better because there was an even bigger decision after Mounié's sending off when Pritchard was wrestled to the ground when about to make the score 2-0 - clear penalty, clear red card. In our control was fashioning the chance from the set-piece; out of our control was Michael Oliver having an attack of selective blindness. Also in our control was not taking off Pritchard who (really controversial opinion) had a very good game that day and was suited to being the man in behind when we played that 3-5-1-1. Depoitre coming on robbed us of our footballing identity and led to defeat. We won 2 games out of the first 22 games under Wagner, not winning our first game until Bonfire Night. While Siewert was rubbish, let's not pretend that Wagner wasn't rubbish that season. You can blame the odd result on bad luck or refereeing decisions, but not every single game, we went 10 games without a win at the start of the season (one of our WORST EVER starts to a season) and then another 9 without a win before he resigned. Results were poor. Performances were not. Had a handful of things outside our control gone differently, we'd have been a fair few points better off. 3 points v Brighton. 2 more points v Cardiff. A point against Liverpool. At least a point against Newcastle. 2 more points against Everton. Most likely a point against Bournemouth. Let's call it an even 10 points that we perhaps should have had on the board. You can't say that under Siewert. Results were dreadful. Performances matched that. We went from being difficult to beat to being a soft touch. We went from losing by the odd goal in tight games where things hadn't gone our way to getting deservedly thrashed. It's the difference between losing 1-0 to a deflection and losing 5-0 when you haven't had a kick.
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 11, 2023 20:24:55 GMT 1
To be fair - I like that Mr Nagle is talking about bringing a local business into the stadium and expanding it across the pond. Maybe there's a similar local business in Sacramento that could expand over here? I would do anything for an In n Out burger. If you know you know. I don't know.
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Post by alexdire on Aug 11, 2023 21:14:56 GMT 1
We were always going down that season, but we weren't as bad as made out until Siewert joined. Wagner had us competing in every game and we were the wrong side of uncontrollables rather than being out-and-out useless. We lost by the odd goal rather than getting thrashed. Take the Liverpool home game as an example. Both sides scored a perfectly good goal. Ours was wrongly ruled out - out of our control. The less said about decisions in the Brighton game the better because there was an even bigger decision after Mounié's sending off when Pritchard was wrestled to the ground when about to make the score 2-0 - clear penalty, clear red card. In our control was fashioning the chance from the set-piece; out of our control was Michael Oliver having an attack of selective blindness. Also in our control was not taking off Pritchard who (really controversial opinion) had a very good game that day and was suited to being the man in behind when we played that 3-5-1-1. Depoitre coming on robbed us of our footballing identity and led to defeat. Bournemouth away that season is probably the most one sided defeat I've ever seen as a town fan, we absolutely mullered them I maybe wrong but I think that was the greatest number of chances created by a Premier League team, who didn't win. God knows how we lost that game.
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 11, 2023 21:28:32 GMT 1
We won 2 games out of the first 22 games under Wagner, not winning our first game until Bonfire Night. While Siewert was rubbish, let's not pretend that Wagner wasn't rubbish that season. You can blame the odd result on bad luck or refereeing decisions, but not every single game, we went 10 games without a win at the start of the season (one of our WORST EVER starts to a season) and then another 9 without a win before he resigned. Results were poor. Performances were not. Had a handful of things outside our control gone differently, we'd have been a fair few points better off. 3 points v Brighton. 2 more points v Cardiff. A point against Liverpool. At least a point against Newcastle. 2 more points against Everton. Most likely a point against Bournemouth. Let's call it an even 10 points that we perhaps should have had on the board. You can't say that under Siewert. Results were dreadful. Performances matched that. We went from being difficult to beat to being a soft touch. We went from losing by the odd goal in tight games where things hadn't gone our way to getting deservedly thrashed. It's the difference between losing 1-0 to a deflection and losing 5-0 when you haven't had a kick. Went from being difficult to beat to being a soft touch? We were bottom of the table when Siewert took over having lost 8 out of the previous 9 games? I remember decent performances against West Ham, Man Utd and Southampton. But they'll never be mentioned because it was Siewert. Both managers that season were crap and that's why we won 3 matches out of 38.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Aug 11, 2023 21:35:27 GMT 1
Bournemouth away that season is probably the most one sided defeat I've ever seen as a town fan, we absolutely mullered them I maybe wrong but I think that was the greatest number of chances created by a Premier League team, who didn't win. God knows how we lost that game. It was a great display. Had Mounie not been suspended we’d have won. Sabiri got crocked 30 seconds after coming on too and never played for us again. I was gutted that night as I thought the worst possible thing would happen: we’d go down thinking we didn’t deserve to, luck was just against us. We’d hit the woodwork a ridiculous number of times by that point in the season. I thought misfortune & injustice would haunt me forever. Luckily, we couldn’t keep it up. Within 6 weeks we were horrendous. Fulham away probably the most tepid, spineless set-up and performance I’d ever seen from us. At least we deserved it when we went down, which made it easier to take.
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Post by space hardware on Aug 11, 2023 21:49:06 GMT 1
After 15 games were 17th in the League with ten points - www.premierleague.com/matchweek/3274/tableWe'd lost a lot of games by a goal and hit the woodwork more times that any team in the league We'd also been on the wrong end of marginal decisions like Milner's clear hand ball, Pritchards offside goal, Hoggs red against Cardiff, Vokes smashing Schindler with an elbow and not getting a red etc We then played Brighton and Oliver gave Mounie the softest red, closed his eyes when Prichard was thrown to the floor in the box and so on Mooy got injured and we played all the teams around in the space of 4 weeks us with more bad luck - Schindler getting two yellow after Mike Dean never made it clear he'd booked him Wagner quit after we had a goal at Cardiff chalked off for reasons unknown and the rot really set in after we appointed a Siewert who was clearly out of his depth I hated that season but there were far worse teams that us across the history of the league The thing that really grated in that Brighton game was that the Mounié tackle wasn't even the worst foul in the game. No, that would be the leg breaker on Erik Durm from one of their lads, might have been Gröss, that resulted in a yellow card. Michael Oliver was about two yards away from it, the massive arsehole that he is.
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Post by 28901 on Aug 11, 2023 22:26:04 GMT 1
I would do anything for an In n Out burger. If you know you know. I don't know. I don't know or care. I don't think I'd buy food in the ground if it had a Michellin star.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Aug 12, 2023 11:24:59 GMT 1
I don't know or care. I don't think I'd buy food in the ground if it had a Michellin star. I spent £9 on a burger at Spurs ground at the RL final last year - easily the best thing about the day (I just can’t get excited about RL, at all).
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Post by 28901 on Aug 12, 2023 12:05:47 GMT 1
I don't know or care. I don't think I'd buy food in the ground if it had a Michellin star. I spent £9 on a burger at Spurs ground at the RL final last year - easily the best thing about the day (I just can’t get excited about RL, at all). Me neither but I havent been to the RL final since Halifax got there in the 80s
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Post by morleyterrier on Aug 12, 2023 12:29:50 GMT 1
George Donis, right up there as one of the best ever signings the club ever made.
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Post by impact on Aug 12, 2023 13:52:18 GMT 1
Hogg's red was as blatant as anything, completely lost his head (and found it butting Harry Arter's chest!). And in the Cardiff away game it was an overturned penalty not a goal. I think it was a penalty, but not a complete stonewaller like the Forest playoff ones. Hogg raised both hands into Harry Arter's face right in front of the referee, baffling how anyone could query that sending off! Players put their heads together. Hogg pushed him in the chest. Arter jumped backwards 5 yards because he's a cheating twat so Hogg got sent off. You can even see Arter jump in the air on the replay to exaggerate it. It was never a red card.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 12, 2023 14:01:32 GMT 1
Hogg raised both hands into Harry Arter's face right in front of the referee, baffling how anyone could query that sending off! In front of the ref? Watch again from 1 min 50 www.skysports.com/football/news/11740/11481602/huddersfield-0-0-cardiff-jonathan-hogg-sent-off-in-goalless-drawIt's an incident off the ball and after a corner has broken down. When it happens Oliver is looking the other way and running away from the incident - he hadn't got the foggiest idea what was happening! I agree on reflection it's a red but Oliver = not for the first time - gave a bad decision based on what he saw I think it was the lino that saw it
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 12, 2023 14:05:25 GMT 1
After 15 games were 17th in the League with ten points - www.premierleague.com/matchweek/3274/tableWe'd lost a lot of games by a goal and hit the woodwork more times that any team in the league We'd also been on the wrong end of marginal decisions like Milner's clear hand ball, Pritchards offside goal, Hoggs red against Cardiff, Vokes smashing Schindler with an elbow and not getting a red etc We then played Brighton and Oliver gave Mounie the softest red, closed his eyes when Prichard was thrown to the floor in the box and so on Mooy got injured and we played all the teams around in the space of 4 weeks us with more bad luck - Schindler getting two yellow after Mike Dean never made it clear he'd booked him Wagner quit after we had a goal at Cardiff chalked off for reasons unknown and the rot really set in after we appointed a Siewert who was clearly out of his depth I hated that season but there were far worse teams that us across the history of the league The thing that really grated in that Brighton game was that the Mounié tackle wasn't even the worst foul in the game. No, that would be the leg breaker on Erik Durm from one of their lads, might have been Gröss, that resulted in a yellow card. Michael Oliver was about two yards away from it, the massive arsehole that he is. It wasn't Gross, it was a German CB or a Yank they'd brought from Germany, forgotten his name. I think he went to play for Rangers. It was something like Balogun.
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 12, 2023 14:10:40 GMT 1
Hogg raised both hands into Harry Arter's face right in front of the referee, baffling how anyone could query that sending off! Players put their heads together. Hogg pushed him in the chest. Arter jumped backwards 5 yards because he's a cheating twat so Hogg got sent off. You can even see Arter jump in the air on the replay to exaggerate it. It was never a red card. No comment on the foul on Arter a couple of years later where Hogg should have been sent off?
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 12, 2023 14:23:14 GMT 1
George Donis, right up there as one of the best ever signings the club ever made. It says controversial, not stupid.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 12, 2023 18:16:36 GMT 1
Players put their heads together. Hogg pushed him in the chest. Arter jumped backwards 5 yards because he's a cheating twat so Hogg got sent off. You can even see Arter jump in the air on the replay to exaggerate it. It was never a red card. No comment on the foul on Arter a couple of years later where Hogg should have been sent off? Yes, it was brilliant. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving twat 😁
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Post by sapphireblue on Aug 12, 2023 18:38:04 GMT 1
No comment on the foul on Arter a couple of years later where Hogg should have been sent off? Yes, it was brilliant. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving twat 😁 A bit like today when their odious No.8 went face to face with Diarra. Diarra then waited about 20mins before slicing him. Best served cold.
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 12, 2023 19:14:32 GMT 1
No comment on the foul on Arter a couple of years later where Hogg should have been sent off? Yes, it was brilliant. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving twat 😁 Maybe so, but he should have been sent off.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Aug 12, 2023 22:14:45 GMT 1
Hogg's red was as blatant as anything, completely lost his head (and found it butting Harry Arter's chest!). And in the Cardiff away game it was an overturned penalty not a goal. I think it was a penalty, but not a complete stonewaller like the Forest playoff ones. Hogg raised both hands into Harry Arter's face right in front of the referee, baffling how anyone could query that sending off! That's the bit I don't get... if the ref had such a good view of it, how come he gave Hoggy a red card instead of a recommendation for an OBE?
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Post by omegasupreme on Aug 14, 2023 23:38:31 GMT 1
Jan Siewert made professional suicide coming to us. He probably could have been a decent manager but we were an absolute shambles at the time, devoid of any confidence and players shafting us for a wage. Was never going to work for anyone at that time. Tom Ince really was a great player for us. Corberan absolutely did us over leaving so close to the season start. Away games are 10 times better days than home games, but I suppose that isn’t controversial. Remember when we lost 4-3 away at West Ham. During his post match interview, he basically simultaneously claimed credit for “teaching his team how to score 3 goals” but placed all the blame on the players for conceding 4 goals. That’s probably the moment I knew for sure he was an absolutely shite manager and a stupid appointment.
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