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Post by sapphireblue on Sept 16, 2023 20:33:53 GMT 1
Which ones. Greaves - no. Buxton - no. Need I go on. Think more recent. Corberan - no. Wagnar - no. Need I go further back.
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Post by htafcokay on Sept 16, 2023 20:36:35 GMT 1
Corberan - no. Wagnar - no. Need I go further back. Corberan wasn't untouchable? That's hilarious. I've never known a manager more untouchable in my supporting life.
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Post by goodbet on Sept 16, 2023 20:37:19 GMT 1
Nagle seems to be beyond criticism in your eyes. That what it seems to me. In my opinion, he's done nothing yet to deserve being untouchable. Warnock on the other hand, HAS. What has he actually done wrong though? I have said numerous times that he was unprofessional, yet you remember most of what people have said. I thought NW has thicker skin than getting riled by a little social media comment. And let's be honest, what KN tweeted was probably spot on. He just should have done it privately and not for the world to see. I agree with most you say Lee, even when a lot don't. I like both owner and manager. I just feel like the abuse towards KN isn't warranted. Also feel that if it wasn't Warnock, let's say MF for example, people would think differently. Yes, Neil has credit in the bank, and rightly so. But status shouldn't reflect what's been said/done. I don't think abuse is due to anyone just yet. If we ever here the whys and wherefores of the situation it may become inevitable that some will resort to a bit of over enthusiastic banter. What does surprise me is that we know what Warnock has done for the club but other than a few videos, a bit of chat and a poor window we are still waiting to see what our new owner will bring to the party. We always seem to get a group of supporters that end up supporting our owners more than the club. Just look at Dean he was a great owner and took us to the premier league and unfortunately became ill. As a result he wanted out from the club (who could blame him) and his decisions became poor and we were a almost relegated (but saved by Warnock). No matter what, Dean is still held as a paragon of all that is good for some supporters. We should not forget the good or turn a blind eye to the poor decisions that have been made. We have a new owner and we appear to be facing a bit of owners pride in front of what is good for the club. Let's hope that this is not the case and there is a reasonable explanation to much rumoured talk of Warnocks departure.
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Post by Lightcliffe Terrier on Sept 16, 2023 20:38:31 GMT 1
One two buckle my shoe (I hope not)
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Post by sapphireblue on Sept 16, 2023 20:39:38 GMT 1
No employee is ever paramount to a well run business. HAHAHAHAHA I'm guessing you're not a people person. What the eff does that mean? I have run a business for well over 30 years, and never can an employee be paramount to a business. Important, yes. But paramount, never. What if your, so called, paramount employee should fall under a bus? Would your business fail? Graveyards are full of indispensable cobblers.
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Post by goodbet on Sept 16, 2023 20:41:41 GMT 1
I'm assuming you have employed individuals who are absolutely paramount to the performance of the business... You pay them their worth and you do NOTHING to piss them off! No employee is ever paramount to a well run business. A well run window? Warnock means more to the club than a bit of pride of a over tweeting owner.
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Post by space hardware on Sept 16, 2023 20:41:49 GMT 1
Corberan - no. Wagnar - no. Need I go further back. Corberan wasn't untouchable? That's hilarious. I've never known a manager more untouchable in my supporting life. Look back on here for posts during the 2020-21 season. He got some unbelievable hammer. He'd have been gone if fans were in the ground.
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Post by mightyterrier on Sept 16, 2023 20:43:32 GMT 1
This non-competitive Town squad get another win 🤝 UTT Harris I've no desire to get into a spat with you and Okay. But do you realise the main reason this squad has a chance of staying in the Championship is the subject of this thread? And by all accounts we're about to lose him. Are you not concerned the squad might not be competitive under a different manager? Warnock is a good manager and he can get a tune out of this squad, but there are many others that can too. Managers, like players come and go. We’ll appoint another, and no single person is or should be critical to any operation, otherwise you have a single point of failure!
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Post by Teddington Ted on Sept 16, 2023 20:45:32 GMT 1
What annoys me is that our best 3 managers of the past 20 years have all resigned due to the club not supporting them. Wagner, Carlos & Warnock. Finding good managers is damned hard, as Bromby found out! When you get one in who fits the bill and everything clicks, we should fight tooth and nail to support them. Peter Jackson seems to be missing from your list. He wasn’t - I just thought I’d created my argument to miss him out! I’ll change it to the last 17 years, I fucking loved Jacko.
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Sept 16, 2023 20:46:43 GMT 1
I think I’m missing something here. Why is it important to know when he’s going? It won’t be a surprise whenever it is. Any replacement will still be debated by some on here.whenever they take over. I am constantly amazed at the stuff which folk like to speculate about, when they have no sway or say in that speculation. Here's the WUM in situations such as this - right on cue! I am indifferent to being called most names, but I am definitely not a WUM. I hold strong to my view of complete indifference to, if not strong dislike of speculation, and am gobsmacked that anyone else isn't. What's wrong with being Happy To Wait and See?
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Post by calken on Sept 16, 2023 20:47:43 GMT 1
In all honesty, I thought KN tweet was more directed at the players, not NW.
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Post by ambryboy on Sept 16, 2023 20:49:20 GMT 1
Greg Berhalter? Nearly joined us a number of years ago.
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Post by King Curtis on Sept 16, 2023 20:49:54 GMT 1
HAHAHAHAHA I'm guessing you're not a people person. What the eff does that mean? I have run a business for well over 30 years, and never can an employee be paramount to a business. Important, yes. But paramount, never. What if your, so called, paramount employee should fall under a bus? Would your business fail? Graveyards are full of indispensable cobblers. It means that you're quite likely an Ostrich (N. Pearson 2015) All businesses will be different and in some... employees will not be so important as in others. In the case of HTAFC - Neil Warnock is an employee and he is paramount. Unless you think that the owner who goes off the grid for a week just prior to deadline day is the key individual to the success of the business?
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 16, 2023 20:50:00 GMT 1
So let me get this straight, Warnock and Nagle hate each other but Warnock decided to stay on for 3-4 weeks post tweet and take a final 3 games rather than walk asap. The same guy who walked post Wembley promotion cos he couldn't open a club shop and keep the profits?
Sounds plausible.
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Post by johntheterrier on Sept 16, 2023 20:51:31 GMT 1
HAHAHAHAHA I'm guessing you're not a people person. What the eff does that mean? I have run a business for well over 30 years, and never can an employee be paramount to a business. Important, yes. But paramount, never. What if your, so called, paramount employee should fall under a bus? Would your business fail? Graveyards are full of indispensable cobblers. True, but there's loads of people walking around with terrible shoes. 😜
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Post by gledholt terrier on Sept 16, 2023 20:52:01 GMT 1
HAHAHAHAHA I'm guessing you're not a people person. What the eff does that mean? I have run a business for well over 30 years, and never can an employee be paramount to a business. Important, yes. But paramount, never. What if your, so called, paramount employee should fall under a bus? Would your business fail? Graveyards are full of indispensable cobblers. Thought your business was at the other end of the body?
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Post by Theboywhocriedmichaelvanwijk on Sept 16, 2023 20:53:30 GMT 1
Allowing Warnock to leave (assuming he could be retained and it’s not his own decision) is a mistake equal to selling Marcus Stewart to Ipswich… it may have similar consequences in May as it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that NW saves another club at our expense!
These players are playing for him and I won’t be surprised to see them downing tools for anyone else and reverting to type and type is a bottom 3 championship squad in my opinion.
There is a lot more I don’t like about our new owners than I do, the documentaries and the uneducated tweets. He may be successful in many of his ventures but English football is unique and I see someone way out of his depth currently.
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Post by sapphireblue on Sept 16, 2023 20:54:14 GMT 1
Here's the WUM in situations such as this - right on cue! I am indifferent to being called most names, but I am definitely not a WUM. I hold strong to my view of complete indifference to, if not strong dislike of speculation, and am gobsmacked that anyone else isn't. What's wrong with being Happy To Wait and See? Sorry Draylton. Don't you realise you have to moan about every single thing that the club does. Kneejerk style is best. Even if you moaned about the exact opposite 6 months ago. You know. Warnock is a bad appointment. Wait. Wait. Warnock is indispensable. Oh, and here's a tip for you. Instead of keeping the same name, change it periodically so folks aren't sure if you are the same person. Even better. Make an entire new account to keep up the facade.
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Post by ColchTerrier on Sept 16, 2023 20:54:34 GMT 1
So let me get this straight, Warnock and Nagle hate each other but Warnock decided to stay on for 3-4 weeks post tweet and take a final 3 games rather than walk asap. The same guy who walked post Wembley promotion cos he couldn't open a club shop and keep the profits? Sounds plausible. From what I can see (I know nothing) Warnock knows he can’t last the season. Just hope the next appointment is a bloody good one, no money spent on a striker, spend it on a bloody good gaffer!
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 16, 2023 20:54:50 GMT 1
So let me get this straight, Warnock and Nagle hate each other but Warnock decided to stay on for 3-4 weeks post tweet and take a final 3 games rather than walk asap. The same guy who walked post Wembley promotion cos he couldn't open a club shop and keep the profits? Sounds plausible. Was that club shop carry on along the same dodgy lines of profiting off transfers through his son? Or was it all above board and he got screwed over by the club?
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Post by Flowerdisco on Sept 16, 2023 20:55:50 GMT 1
Here's the WUM in situations such as this - right on cue! I am indifferent to being called most names, but I am definitely not a WUM. I hold strong to my view of complete indifference to, if not strong dislike of speculation, and am gobsmacked that anyone else isn't. What's wrong with being Happy To Wait and See? Nothing particularly wrong with wait and see but it isn't conducive to a forum where opinions are welcomed and encouraged. Unless a wait and see approach is actually an opinion I guess.
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Post by waggers on Sept 16, 2023 20:56:54 GMT 1
Harris I've no desire to get into a spat with you and Okay. But do you realise the main reason this squad has a chance of staying in the Championship is the subject of this thread? And by all accounts we're about to lose him. Are you not concerned the squad might not be competitive under a different manager? The squad is the squad. I said the squad was competitive and he replied ‘Bollocks’. They’re quite clearly competitive. We may be better without Warnock, we may get worse. But the squad have shown they’re competitive. I think the move away from Warmock needed to be well planned and not what looks to be frantic. There will be a very drastic change in playing style and managerial methods shoved on the players before October has even come around. I think there must be more issues between Warnock and Nagle than just the Twitter spat to cause this.
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Post by King Curtis on Sept 16, 2023 20:56:57 GMT 1
Here's the WUM in situations such as this - right on cue! I am indifferent to being called most names, but I am definitely not a WUM. I hold strong to my view of complete indifference to, if not strong dislike of speculation, and am gobsmacked that anyone else isn't. What's wrong with being Happy To Wait and See? You know what you're doing. It's a forum. A forum is for an exchange of opinions. Not for some dickhead to chime in question & why everyone else is doing exactly what they should be on a forum.
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Post by sapphireblue on Sept 16, 2023 20:58:31 GMT 1
What the eff does that mean? I have run a business for well over 30 years, and never can an employee be paramount to a business. Important, yes. But paramount, never. What if your, so called, paramount employee should fall under a bus? Would your business fail? Graveyards are full of indispensable cobblers. It means that you're quite likely an Ostrich (N. Pearson 2015) All businesses will be different and in some employees will not be so important as others. In the case of HTAFC - Neil Warnock is an employee and he is paramount. Unless you think that the owner who goes off the grid for a week just prior to deadline day is the key individual to the success of the business? He really isn't paramount As we shall see in the next few weeks. Warnock will be gone. HTFC will carry on. Who knows, we may even be better.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 16, 2023 20:59:09 GMT 1
King Neil is just 2 weeks younger than King Charles III........not many people know that! But have they ever been seen in the same room 🤔🤣 Charlie's ears have never been seen in the same room
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Post by irverino on Sept 16, 2023 20:59:41 GMT 1
Was Mr Nagle not watching a while back when Town under Warnock lost 4-0 back to back, not a dicky bird (or a tweet) out of the previous owner & a few weeks later what happened....well, as they say, history now.
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Post by space hardware on Sept 16, 2023 21:02:59 GMT 1
This thread is absolutely bonkers and encapsulates everything about this site that I love 😂
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Post by Leporid on Sept 16, 2023 21:05:54 GMT 1
Was Mr Nagle not watching a while back when Town under Warnock lost 4-0 back to back, not a dicky bird (or a tweet) out of the previous owner & a few weeks later what happened....well, as they say, history now. Perhaps not.
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Sept 16, 2023 21:06:45 GMT 1
I am indifferent to being called most names, but I am definitely not a WUM. I hold strong to my view of complete indifference to, if not strong dislike of speculation, and am gobsmacked that anyone else isn't. What's wrong with being Happy To Wait and See? You know what you're doing. It's a forum. A forum is for an exchange of opinions. Not for some dickhead to chime in question & why everyone else is doing exactly what they should be on a forum. It depends what is being discussed. give an opinion after a game has finished, about the game, players, tactics, manager, or any other aspect, but why give opinions on stuff that may or may not happen? I just don't understand. However, I'm happy to agree to disagree about the point and validity of pure speculation, but I reserve my right to express my dislike of such.
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Post by henryc on Sept 16, 2023 21:08:11 GMT 1
The squad is the squad. I said the squad was competitive and he replied ‘Bollocks’. They’re quite clearly competitive. We may be better without Warnock, we may get worse. But the squad have shown they’re competitive. I think the move away from Warmock needed to be well planned and not what looks to be frantic. There will be be a very drastic change in playing style and managerial methods shoved on the players before October has even come around. I think there must be more issues between Warnock and Nagle than just the Twitter spat to cause this. It looks the total opposite to frantic, seems more like the drama queens that usually spend their time watching reality TV are just trying to paint the picture they’d like to see.
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