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Post by rothwellterrier on Sept 18, 2023 13:23:55 GMT 1
RL still haven't bothered to mention anything, although they may be trolling us.
Currently playing "Teardrops" by Warnock and Warnock Womack and Womack.
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Post by rockwall on Sept 18, 2023 13:23:57 GMT 1
"I can't tell you who the new manager is because they've not told me, so I assume it's someone I don't like!" - Wilder it is then Muscat
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Post by Amigo on Sept 18, 2023 13:24:40 GMT 1
Trying to be balanced about it as I have no idea what has actually gone on so my thoughts are - either someone has become available as a long term option that if we don't act now we'll miss out on and be hoping for the best of who's available in the summer, or, Warnock's done/doing something that others at the club can't get on board with (has been hinted at by those itk).
I only know as much about Nagle as anyone else, but to achieved what he's achieved he's not an idiot so I very much doubt it's over something petty if it's more to do with Warnock's actions or behaviour.
Obviously a massive shame it would have been brilliant to have him for the season and see what we could have done but we don't have a shit team, we do actually have some good players just hope the new man can also get the likes of Rudoni, Wiles, Thomas, Koroma playing to their capabilities.
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Post by rockwall on Sept 18, 2023 13:24:41 GMT 1
New man must be ready to take charge on Saturday, I don’t think we’ll have to wait long for an appointment. Really disappointed we’ve sacked Warnock, but the new fella must be pretty special if we’re moving on some quickly. Looking forward to seeing who we get in. No game Sat.
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Post by efesodje23 on Sept 18, 2023 13:24:44 GMT 1
The fact he hasn't even (apparently) been consulted on the new manager is fucking baffling Why though? This seems a really bold decision from the Club but it's not Neil's job to recruit a manager for our future - it's not his job and it's not his area of expertise. Fergie helped appoint Moyes and look where that got United. If the Club have a clear plan then they need to be confident in that; not relying on the opinions of Warnock. I mean, as seen as he's the only manager whose actually been able to get anything other than pathetic performances from this group of players, I'd of hoped he'd of been consulted and able to advise how to get the most out of the team we have until Jan/End of the season. It's fine having a plan and a vision, but when we're fresh out of a transfer window and tip toeing around FFP, the short term goal of remaining a championship side outweighs the long-term goal of PL.
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Post by harris on Sept 18, 2023 13:24:50 GMT 1
"It was always a short-term engagement and we've been very open and honest with our dialogue. As I've said, we've progressed in a number of areas and brought that stability to a level, and that's thanks to Neil. "We wanted to make the decision from a position of strength, which is unusual. Neil is right, it's the most important decision we'll make, and we didn't want to make it from a position of weakness, when you often make the wrong decision. When the right candidate is available you have to make the decision and we've had good grown-up discussions. Neil has poured his heart and soul into this and he's a winner, but as a club this is the decision we had to make. "We plan to announce the successor by the end of the week." HOW CAN HAVING WARNOCK STILL IN CHARGE BE A POSITION OF WEAKNESS ?? ! I think you’ve misunderstood - he’s saying from a position of weakness in terms of sacking a manager when all is going tits up. Making a longer term appointment from a position of strength - I.e. we’re not in immediate trouble.
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Post by Matt1908 on Sept 18, 2023 13:24:58 GMT 1
99% of all managerial appointments come from a position of weakness. Either the club is in the relegation zone 3/4 way through the season AKA town, the club has just been relegated or the club is expected to fight for promotion and isn't doing so. This actually makes sense, as long as the new man is up to standard of course. If their number 1 target is available and is only available right now then now is the time to do it. It's a risk of course but the club must really fancy the new guy.
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Post by Orinoco on Sept 18, 2023 13:25:29 GMT 1
He’s not been “sacked” he’s sat there doing a press conference and taking the team on Wednesday. That doesn’t happen when you’re sacked. If the Board have the new long term manager lined up then we’re doing exactly what we said we’d do in that first press conference when NW was staying on. What about next Saturday? He's been sacked & I can't really see how it can be dressed up any other way. Game is monday at Coventry. New man gets a tv audience!!
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Post by wigster on Sept 18, 2023 13:25:40 GMT 1
MASSIVE news obviously - yet the ONLY way I could watch/listen live was via Sky Sports News.
What an absolute shambles.
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Post by runner76 on Sept 18, 2023 13:25:49 GMT 1
"I can't tell you who the new manager is because they've not told me, so I assume it's someone I don't like!" - Wilder it is then Muscat Wilder….stranger things happened….!!! But I imagine it will be some up and coming younger manager…
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Post by Teddington Ted on Sept 18, 2023 13:25:54 GMT 1
Maybe why we didn’t back Warnock in the summer? Nagle always knew he was a dead man walking.
Kev is walking on very thin ice now, he’s better hope his stats align from Thursday or he’ll be getting pelters from all sides.
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Post by bigtruck on Sept 18, 2023 13:25:56 GMT 1
He’s not been “sacked” he’s sat there doing a press conference and taking the team on Wednesday. That doesn’t happen when you’re sacked. If the Board have the new long term manager lined up then we’re doing exactly what we said we’d do in that first press conference when NW was staying on. What about next Saturday? He's been sacked & I can't really see how it can be dressed up any other way. Because he’s basically been an interim appointment until a manager that the board believe is the right choice comes available. Like someone said above do we risk missing out on that manager to keep NW for the season and the lack of clarity that brings? That said, this appointment has to be right. You don’t do this to being in Mark Hughes or Nathan Jones.
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Post by harris on Sept 18, 2023 13:26:12 GMT 1
Sounds like Warnock knew the plan and expected it to maybe take until Christmas for his successor to be found. Club have decided upon successor quicker than anticipated (maybe it is crucial we hire him now as could be other interest, who knows?) Doesn't sound like animosity - if there was bad blood, no way would Warnock have stayed on after WBA game, when he was told. Noticed as well that there was a clear reference to Nagle's desire to have us in PL in the next three years. We all knew that Warnock was a stop-gap and he was very unlikely to be here all year. He has done a brilliant job and galvanised the team and fans again. Let's hope the new coaching team can carry that on and build on it. utt Voice of reason👍 let’s just hope the man to take us forward is successful. The squad have shown they’re capable.
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Post by Moooooy on Sept 18, 2023 13:26:25 GMT 1
New man must be ready to take charge on Saturday, I don’t think we’ll have to wait long for an appointment. Really disappointed we’ve sacked Warnock, but the new fella must be pretty special if we’re moving on some quickly. Looking forward to seeing who we get in. No game Sat. My mistake, Monday I mean. Bloody Sky.
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Post by thomo on Sept 18, 2023 13:26:27 GMT 1
Pushed. Shocking decision. Not really shocking. Just sooner than planned. It is shocking given the new man won't get his own players for at least 18 games or so. We could be pretty much down by then 😭 I cannot see how anyone could get any more out of this squad.
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Post by exberlinerterrier on Sept 18, 2023 13:26:57 GMT 1
The fact he hasn't even (apparently) been consulted on the new manager is fucking baffling Why? That's not his area of expertise.
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Post by boooothy on Sept 18, 2023 13:27:01 GMT 1
I’m more angry than i was before, and i was fuckin fuming then.
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Post by rockwall on Sept 18, 2023 13:27:09 GMT 1
My mistake, Monday I mean. Bloody Sky. At least focus pre game will be us for a change!!!
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Sept 18, 2023 13:27:13 GMT 1
There always seems to be a real drama with our manager transitions... Wagner, the Cowleys, CC and now Warnock. Sigh! The, "we had to move now" statement suggests that the new man is someone they really want... big name?... dare say we'll find out on Thursday. It can't be Ted Lasso then, he's starting a new series next month at Richmond.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 18, 2023 13:27:17 GMT 1
You can see from his words that he loves his players. Jeez we have lost a good guy here We should protest. This isn't the way to treat him or our club. It’s upset me as this. He clearly has forged a deep bond with his players. He makes the point that Ruffles is the best left back in the Championship. How is that going to make the player feel after hearing that? Man manager supreme.
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Post by Towner47 on Sept 18, 2023 13:27:18 GMT 1
What a bloody fiasco
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Post by efesodje23 on Sept 18, 2023 13:28:06 GMT 1
The fact he hasn't even (apparently) been consulted on the new manager is fucking baffling Why? That's not his area of expertise. Because when NW either signed on the first time, or extended into this season (can't remember which) that was stated by the board that NW would help guide the club in respect of new manager and transitions. Also, as seen as he's the only manager whose actually been able to get anything other than pathetic performances from this group of players, I'd of hoped he'd of been consulted and able to advise how to get the most out of the team we have until Jan/End of the season. It's fine having a plan and a vision, but when we're fresh out of a transfer window and tip toeing around FFP, the short term goal of remaining a championship side outweighs the long-term goal of PL.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Sept 18, 2023 13:28:17 GMT 1
" I can't tell you who the new manager is because they've not told me, so I assume it's someone I don't like!" I thought he was supposed to be part of the process in selecting the next manager? Did he say that? Id assume it’ll be Mark Hughes then.
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 18, 2023 13:28:22 GMT 1
I think those berating the club for the transfer window need to listen to whats been hinted by a couple of folk on here and go and google Warnocks son. 👀 Nobody's taken any notice
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Post by rothwellterrier on Sept 18, 2023 13:28:30 GMT 1
That's it. Radio Leeds are officially trolling us now.
Currently playing "Nothing can divide us" by Jason Donovan
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Sept 18, 2023 13:29:03 GMT 1
What a load of bollox. Hubristic yanks thinking they know the best. Look at Chelsea and Man U, what an utter shambles.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Sept 18, 2023 13:29:08 GMT 1
Clueless. They better pull a gold plated rabbit out of the hat with this new manager or we will be back to square one.
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Post by kennyk2 on Sept 18, 2023 13:29:10 GMT 1
It's just a really sad way for Warnock to end his managerial career at Town. Really awful and not a way I'd like to be treated if I was him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2023 13:29:20 GMT 1
"It was always a short-term engagement and we've been very open and honest with our dialogue. As I've said, we've progressed in a number of areas and brought that stability to a level, and that's thanks to Neil. "We wanted to make the decision from a position of strength, which is unusual. Neil is right, it's the most important decision we'll make, and we didn't want to make it from a position of weakness, when you often make the wrong decision. When the right candidate is available you have to make the decision and we've had good grown-up discussions. Neil has poured his heart and soul into this and he's a winner, but as a club this is the decision we had to make. "We plan to announce the successor by the end of the week." HOW CAN HAVING WARNOCK STILL IN CHARGE BE A POSITION OF WEAKNESS ?? ! I think you’ve misunderstood - he’s saying from a position of weakness in terms of sacking a manager when all is going tits up. Making a longer term appointment from a position of strength - I.e. we’re not in immediate trouble. I was meaning the longer NW was in charge, the stronger position we would be in.
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Post by Sio on Sept 18, 2023 13:29:30 GMT 1
Why though? This seems a really bold decision from the Club but it's not Neil's job to recruit a manager for our future - it's not his job and it's not his area of expertise. Fergie helped appoint Moyes and look where that got United. If the Club have a clear plan then they need to be confident in that; not relying on the opinions of Warnock. I mean, as seen as he's the only manager whose actually been able to get anything other than pathetic performances from this group of players, I'd of hoped he'd of been consulted and able to advise how to get the most out of the team we have until Jan/End of the season. It's fine having a plan and a vision, but when we're fresh out of a transfer window and tip toeing around FFP, the short term goal of remaining a championship side outweighs the long-term goal of PL. But how does that work? Employ person X but tell them how to play? That's not going to go well. The alternative: stick with Warnock himself - which clearly the club don't see as a long-term solution. It's a very brave move and the name of the new appointment will tell us whether this is a huge mistake or not - but if we want a structured, ambitious plan then we have to give the club the chance to see it through.
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