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Post by goodbet on Sept 19, 2023 21:42:26 GMT 1
So having the joint most decorated manager in EFL history is accepting mediocrity š¤Ø. Not one name mentioned since the rumour started can hold a candle to Colins record at this level. Okay so here is a hypothetical situation. We get to December and are bottom 3 (or anywhere for that matter) with Warnock in charge and he says he's had enough, it was only meant to last until now. How would you feel about a managerial change then? No one individual is above the club. As much as we all love Warnock this was only ever going to be a short term thing and if the long term preferred manager has suddenly become available then would we not be fools to take them? Warnock also has form for walking out on clubs. Imagine if he did and we had no real option to replace, would you prefer we had Worthington take the team for a few matches whilst we sorted it? There is some serious kneejerking going on here and that is coming from me!! A serial kneejerker We can all come up with hypothetical situations, but why are you are ignoring what we know and dreaming up nonsensical scenarios just to defend a decision made by our new owner. We may get a new manager that does a good job and we will all end up happy, but the good managers are few and there are too many average and poor ones out there, so we may all end up disappointed.
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Post by belizian on Sept 19, 2023 21:48:49 GMT 1
There ought to be a thread regarding who Warnock will manage next. QPR to keep them in the division or Southampton to take them back up? Could be lots of others but no doubt his agents phone will be ringing nonstop after tonight.
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 19, 2023 21:53:34 GMT 1
Okay so here is a hypothetical situation. We get to December and are bottom 3 (or anywhere for that matter) with Warnock in charge and he says he's had enough, it was only meant to last until now. How would you feel about a managerial change then? No one individual is above the club. As much as we all love Warnock this was only ever going to be a short term thing and if the long term preferred manager has suddenly become available then would we not be fools to take them? Warnock also has form for walking out on clubs. Imagine if he did and we had no real option to replace, would you prefer we had Worthington take the team for a few matches whilst we sorted it? There is some serious kneejerking going on here and that is coming from me!! A serial kneejerker We can all come up with hypothetical situations, but why are you are ignoring what we know and dreaming up nonsensical scenarios just to defend a decision made by our new owner. We may get a new manager that does a good job and we will all end up happy, but the good managers are few and there are too many average and poor ones out there, so we may all end up disappointed. The point is, stop crying and let's see what happens. Billionaires don't chuck money away for nothing. I adore Warnock, he is my hero but a decision has been made and we have to see what happens rather than think the worst.
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Post by 28901 on Sept 19, 2023 22:00:36 GMT 1
There ought to be a thread regarding who Warnock will manage next. QPR to keep them in the division or Southampton to take them back up? Could be lots of others but no doubt his agents phone will be ringing nonstop after tonight. Or Southampton to stay up
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Post by saintlyterrier on Sept 19, 2023 22:05:14 GMT 1
There ought to be a thread regarding who Warnock will manage next. QPR to keep them in the division or Southampton to take them back up? Could be lots of others but no doubt his agents phone will be ringing nonstop after tonight. I suggested this, in jest, to Son of Saintly, but he replied he would rather be relegated. He argued that Nathan Jones had done better at Saints than Martin is doing, but that no-one could possibly like Jones.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 19, 2023 22:08:08 GMT 1
There ought to be a thread regarding who Warnock will manage next. QPR to keep them in the division or Southampton to take them back up? Could be lots of others but no doubt his agents phone will be ringing nonstop after tonight. I suggested this, in jest, to Son of Saintly, but he replied he would rather be relegated. He argued that Nathan Jones had done better at Saints than Martin is doing, but that no-one could possibly like Jones. Almost close enough for Neil to travel home for a couple of nights if he took a job with Soton.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Sept 19, 2023 22:13:31 GMT 1
There ought to be a thread regarding who Warnock will manage next. QPR to keep them in the division or Southampton to take them back up? Could be lots of others but no doubt his agents phone will be ringing nonstop after tonight. QPR will be on the phone to him tonight I'd have thought.
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Post by sapphireblue on Sept 19, 2023 22:25:15 GMT 1
Then why are you criticising it? You don't Effin know either. Why are you Effin ? Necessary ? I asked a question, where am I criticising ? Quite right, I apologise for saying you were criticising. I have re-read your posts and you were actually saying nothing. š¤£
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 19, 2023 22:29:21 GMT 1
Why are you Effin ? Necessary ? I asked a question, where am I criticising ? Quite right, I apologise for saying you were criticising. I have re-read your posts and you were actually saying nothing. š¤£ Highly intellectual and funny too ššš Well done Sapphireblue.
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Post by goodbet on Sept 19, 2023 22:33:51 GMT 1
We can all come up with hypothetical situations, but why are you are ignoring what we know and dreaming up nonsensical scenarios just to defend a decision made by our new owner. We may get a new manager that does a good job and we will all end up happy, but the good managers are few and there are too many average and poor ones out there, so we may all end up disappointed. The point is, stop crying and let's see what happens. Billionaires don't chuck money away for nothing. I adore Warnock, he is my hero but a decision has been made and we have to see what happens rather than think the worst. The point is :- 1) no one is crying 2) some people can look at what may happen and not kak themselves and in the need to ignore the down side make up scenarios that make them feel better. 3) Then they mention bed wetting and or crying 4) assume because someone is richer than they are they know what they are doing in every situation
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Post by Ibiza Town on Sept 19, 2023 22:44:04 GMT 1
Whats the odds on Colin being the next Plymouth manager?
I have a tenner to spare
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Post by King Neil on Sept 19, 2023 23:38:20 GMT 1
I think Vladimir putin would get more votes in a popularity contest right now than nagle
I wonder if he's turning up for the funeral tomorrow evening at the jss
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Post by King Curtis on Sept 19, 2023 23:56:55 GMT 1
So getting rid of Warnock after 4 games was all in the plan when we gave him a 12 month contract was it? Come on... We had an agreement with him ( the plan ) that he'd manage us until they found his long term replacement.. The year long contract is irrelevant..THAT plan was the understanding. They didnt know how long that would take..Warnock didnt but expected around Xmas time..no one thought it would be a year long arrangement or anything like it....and as its happened its not taken very long. Whats happened is what was supposed to happen and what everyone understood would happen! They just couldn't have known when it would happen. So it's inconceivable to you that some falling out has occurred between Warnock and Nagle? Or something else has happened behind the scenes? Why are you so quick to toe the official club line? Never had you down as naĆÆve Slapps. Yes sir, no sir, 3 bags full sir!
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Post by ebargum on Sept 20, 2023 0:23:41 GMT 1
I think Vladimir putin would get more votes in a popularity contest right now than nagle I wonder if he's turning up for the funeral tomorrow evening at the jss
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Post by bentley316 on Sept 20, 2023 0:28:57 GMT 1
There ought to be a thread regarding who Warnock will manage next. QPR to keep them in the division or Southampton to take them back up? Could be lots of others but no doubt his agents phone will be ringing nonstop after tonight. Im sticking a pound on Sheffield United.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 20, 2023 1:06:59 GMT 1
We had an agreement with him ( the plan ) that he'd manage us until they found his long term replacement.. The year long contract is irrelevant..THAT plan was the understanding. They didnt know how long that would take..Warnock didnt but expected around Xmas time..no one thought it would be a year long arrangement or anything like it....and as its happened its not taken very long. Whats happened is what was supposed to happen and what everyone understood would happen! They just couldn't have known when it would happen. So it's inconceivable to you that some falling out has occurred between Warnock and Nagle? Or something else has happened behind the scenes? Why are you so quick to toe the official club line? Never had you down as naĆÆve Slapps. Yes sir, no sir, 3 bags full sir! Because theres nothing to see here. Its not just the clubs official 'line'...its also warnocks official line...because its what happened because it was what was always going to happen!! What you saying...Im naive if I dont believe this other version of events that people have concocted based on absolutely no information at all and that goes against everything all parties involved have said ? We've replaced a 74 year old temporary manager who didnt want to do the job much longer with a permanent one...like we were always going to do as soon as we identified who we wanted.....and? Do people not like that version because its a bit boring or something??
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Post by willo on Sept 20, 2023 1:19:13 GMT 1
So it's inconceivable to you that some falling out has occurred between Warnock and Nagle? Or something else has happened behind the scenes? Why are you so quick to toe the official club line? Never had you down as naĆÆve Slapps. Yes sir, no sir, 3 bags full sir! Because theres nothing to see here. Its not just the clubs official 'line'...its also warnocks official line...because its what happened because it was what was always going to happen!! What you saying...Im naive if I dont believe this other version of events that people have concocted based on absolutely no information at all and that goes against everything all parties involved have said ? We've replaced a 74 year old temporary manager who didnt want to do the job much longer with a permanent one...like we were always going to do as soon as we identified who we wanted.....and? Do people not like that version because its a bit boring or something?? Capt, I cannot believe for one second that what got the ball rolling here was that now infamous tweet from Nagle after the Norwich game to which NW responded, which he had a right to do. If you work in an office and thereās an issue, your office manager doesnāt have it out with you across the office floor, itās done behind closed doors. NW had signed on for the season and I believe the vast majority of fans thought heād be here to see it out, or the bulk of it, and that there certainly wouldnāt be a parting of the ways after just a handful of games. Given from his reaction at Mondayās press conference where he still looked surprised, Iām guessing NW wasnāt expecting it either. We move on now but this next appointment had better be right up there because anything less and they, and the club, will be right up against it from the start. We know what to expect from Neil Warnock, the jury is very much still out on this new Chairman and his team.
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Post by midge on Sept 20, 2023 6:35:40 GMT 1
So it's inconceivable to you that some falling out has occurred between Warnock and Nagle? Or something else has happened behind the scenes? Why are you so quick to toe the official club line? Never had you down as naĆÆve Slapps. Yes sir, no sir, 3 bags full sir! Because theres nothing to see here. Its not just the clubs official 'line'...its also warnocks official line...because its what happened because it was what was always going to happen!! What you saying...Im naive if I dont believe this other version of events that people have concocted based on absolutely no information at all and that goes against everything all parties involved have said ? We've replaced a 74 year old temporary manager who didnt want to do the job much longer with a permanent one...like we were always going to do as soon as we identified who we wanted.....and? Do people not like that version because its a bit boring or something?? There is another way of looking at this Skip. Is Warnock himself the type of character to just 'toe the party line' at a press conference and actually confirm that this was the plan whilst denying several time that there was any rift!? Would he have stayed on 2 games if this was the case?
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Post by mids on Sept 20, 2023 6:46:17 GMT 1
I think Vladimir putin would get more votes in a popularity contest right now than nagle I wonder if he's turning up for the funeral tomorrow evening at the jss Nurse!!!....Nurse!!!
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Post by incognito on Sept 20, 2023 7:54:19 GMT 1
Because theres nothing to see here. Its not just the clubs official 'line'...its also warnocks official line...because its what happened because it was what was always going to happen!! What you saying...Im naive if I dont believe this other version of events that people have concocted based on absolutely no information at all and that goes against everything all parties involved have said ? We've replaced a 74 year old temporary manager who didnt want to do the job much longer with a permanent one...like we were always going to do as soon as we identified who we wanted.....and? Do people not like that version because its a bit boring or something?? There is another way of looking at this Skip. Is Warnock himself the type of character to just 'toe the party line' at a press conference and actually confirm that this was the plan whilst denying several time that there was any rift!? Would he have stayed on 2 games if this was the case? I think he's the type of character that would toe a party line if it best served his interests to do so - either for financial, or reputational reasons.
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Post by dugnet on Sept 20, 2023 7:57:03 GMT 1
So it's inconceivable to you that some falling out has occurred between Warnock and Nagle? Or something else has happened behind the scenes? Why are you so quick to toe the official club line? Never had you down as naĆÆve Slapps. Yes sir, no sir, 3 bags full sir! Because theres nothing to see here. Its not just the clubs official 'line'...its also warnocks official line...because its what happened because it was what was always going to happen!! What you saying...Im naive if I dont believe this other version of events that people have concocted based on absolutely no information at all and that goes against everything all parties involved have said ? We've replaced a 74 year old temporary manager who didnt want to do the job much longer with a permanent one...like we were always going to do as soon as we identified who we wanted.....and? Do people not like that version because its a bit boring or something?? The truth is both scenarios, a difference of opinion or enacting a planned change are possible, or even coincidental. We win games of football the speculation as to the timing of the change, that we knew was coming, is less of an issue. Lose games of football and the debate around the Nagle strategy, and how he and is team are perceived, intensifies. If we attract a manager of some pedigree and ambition then the fans will perceive Mr Nagle as having a plan. A plan that isn't just about creating an infrastructure to benefit the club (which is welcome) but also looks to immediately develop the 1st team. Such an appointment would also, to a degree, mitigate any indifference on the pitch as at least fans would perceive there was ambition to make the first team better (noting no manager is guaranteed to succeed). Appointment of a "project manager", who is either inexperienced or thought of as "cheap" and the debate around everything Mr Nagle is looking to do becomes pointed. The decision, and the reason why, to let Neil walk away "early" will be at the centre of the debate. We have had 4 seasons out of 5 of indifferent performances on the pitch. And a season that as good as it was we were unable to build on. Whatever people's opinions of what has "actually" happened to lead to the decision to let Neil go now it is another potential bump in a road that hasn't been particularly comfortable to travel down. The simple fact is that had Neil remained, based on performances (Norwich aside), I think we would have been confident of being a Championship club in 24/25 season. This morning there is uncertainty, that uncertainty will continue until whoever gets the team winning games of football. Mr Nagle has made a decision that will shape how his ownership is viewed.
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Post by willo on Sept 20, 2023 8:55:20 GMT 1
Because theres nothing to see here. Its not just the clubs official 'line'...its also warnocks official line...because its what happened because it was what was always going to happen!! What you saying...Im naive if I dont believe this other version of events that people have concocted based on absolutely no information at all and that goes against everything all parties involved have said ? We've replaced a 74 year old temporary manager who didnt want to do the job much longer with a permanent one...like we were always going to do as soon as we identified who we wanted.....and? Do people not like that version because its a bit boring or something?? The truth is both scenarios, a difference of opinion or enacting a planned change are possible, or even coincidental. We win games of football the speculation as to the timing of the change, that we knew was coming, is less of an issue. Lose games of football and the debate around the Nagle strategy, and how he and is team are perceived, intensifies. If we attract a manager of some pedigree and ambition then the fans will perceive Mr Nagle as having a plan. A plan that isn't just about creating an infrastructure to benefit the club (which is welcome) but also looks to immediately develop the 1st team. Such an appointment would also, to a degree, mitigate any indifference on the pitch as at least fans would perceive there was ambition to make the first team better (noting no manager is guaranteed to succeed). Appointment of a "project manager", who is either inexperienced or thought of as "cheap" and the debate around everything Mr Nagle is looking to do becomes pointed. The decision, and the reason why, to let Neil walk away "early" will be at the centre of the debate. We have had 4 seasons out of 5 of indifferent performances on the pitch. And a season that as good as it was we were unable to build on. Whatever people's opinions of what has "actually" happened to lead to the decision to let Neil go now it is another potential bump in a road that hasn't been particularly comfortable to travel down. The simple fact is that had Neil remained, based on performances (Norwich aside), I think we would have been confident of being a Championship club in 24/25 season. This morning there is uncertainty, that uncertainty will continue until whoever gets the team winning games of football. Mr Nagle has made a decision that will shape how his ownership is viewed. Have to say dugnet, you are one of the most measured and calm posters on here. Always a pleasure to read your posts.
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Post by drumriggend on Sept 20, 2023 8:59:39 GMT 1
There ought to be a thread regarding who Warnock will manage next. QPR to keep them in the division or Southampton to take them back up? Could be lots of others but no doubt his agents phone will be ringing nonstop after tonight. Im sticking a pound on Sheffield United. Good shout that.. Neil would love that.. Rock up at brammal lane in January for āthe great escape 8ā.. š»š»
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Post by specialun on Sept 20, 2023 9:06:57 GMT 1
I think Vladimir putin would get more votes in a popularity contest right now than nagle I wonder if he's turning up for the funeral tomorrow evening at the jss Slightly over dramatic post awardā¦ DATM at more extreme / fanatical of town fans - imo of course Per other poll - Only 47 out of over 200 think itās a disaster, 20+ bad and over 140 think part of plan, happened sooner than expected but will be ok Of course views within those will vary Those who think disaster shouting louder than the rest but only in a small minority on here. Iād suggest a smaller minority in wider town fan base He was always going to leave this season but earlier than expected - a lot earlier than Iād hoped or expected. But as disappointing as it may be right now Iām struggling to see how anyone can view it as a disaster until weāve named the replacement as a minimum let alone given them a chance Eg if it turns out we appoint Carsley and he was our first choice then makes sense to act now given Ireland link / Everton continue to struggle Are we supposed to miss out on first choice for next 3 years just to keep Warnock til May? Big gamble - I accept that As for today all fans will be supportive of Warnock & Jepson and give a send off they deserve
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 20, 2023 9:11:20 GMT 1
Whats the odds on Colin being the next Plymouth manager? I have a tenner to spare Why would they get rid of Schumacher?
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Post by royrace on Sept 20, 2023 9:19:03 GMT 1
There is another way of looking at this Skip. Is Warnock himself the type of character to just 'toe the party line' at a press conference and actually confirm that this was the plan whilst denying several time that there was any rift!? Would he have stayed on 2 games if this was the case? I think he's the type of character that would toe a party line if it best served his interests to do so - either for financial, or reputational reasons. Exactly, and on the face of it, if you don't read between the lines, this was all part of the plan but has just happened early. Those of us who perhaps aren't so gullible (or are less trusting if you prefer) like to read between the lines. There's always a split on this board, some seem happy to trust the club with everything out of some sort of blind loyalty, others question things, others are down right negative all of the time! I just hope some on here don't receive many emails from Nigerian princes requiring a safe place to store their cash The only thing that would make me revise my opinion is if the managerial appointment is a real coup. Anyhow, its happening, so I guess we'll have to wait and see
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Post by stable on Sept 20, 2023 9:32:14 GMT 1
There is another way of looking at this Skip. Is Warnock himself the type of character to just 'toe the party line' at a press conference and actually confirm that this was the plan whilst denying several time that there was any rift!? Would he have stayed on 2 games if this was the case? I think he's the type of character that would toe a party line if it best served his interests to do so - either for financial, or reputational reasons. Agreed, and that is pretty much what his body language was screaming out at the press conference.
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Post by paulsg on Sept 20, 2023 10:07:05 GMT 1
In the words of the recently demised: "For you are beautiful, I have loved you dearly More dearly than the spoken word can tell"
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 20, 2023 10:09:59 GMT 1
Because theres nothing to see here. Its not just the clubs official 'line'...its also warnocks official line...because its what happened because it was what was always going to happen!! What you saying...Im naive if I dont believe this other version of events that people have concocted based on absolutely no information at all and that goes against everything all parties involved have said ? We've replaced a 74 year old temporary manager who didnt want to do the job much longer with a permanent one...like we were always going to do as soon as we identified who we wanted.....and? Do people not like that version because its a bit boring or something?? Capt, I cannot believe for one second that what got the ball rolling here was that now infamous tweet from Nagle after the Norwich game to which NW responded, which he had a right to do. If you work in an office and thereās an issue, your office manager doesnāt have it out with you across the office floor, itās done behind closed doors. NW had signed on for the season and I believe the vast majority of fans thought heād be here to see it out, or the bulk of it, and that there certainly wouldnāt be a parting of the ways after just a handful of games. Given from his reaction at Mondayās press conference where he still looked surprised, Iām guessing NW wasnāt expecting it either. We move on now but this next appointment had better be right up there because anything less and they, and the club, will be right up against it from the start. We know what to expect from Neil Warnock, the jury is very much still out on this new Chairman and his team. He said himself, he expected it to be nearer xmas time. Any fan who thought it was for the whole season had misunderstood the situation and warnock clearly didnt expect or even want that. This is the question...Do you think they should go back on the arrangement they made with Warnock ( because he insisted on being temporary ) , reject the bloke theyve identified as our long term permanent manager , just so we can keep warnock on for a couple more months?....thats what it boils down to. I think that would be absurd myself. A ridiculous thing to do. I do agree Nagles tweets after Norwich weren't helpful, but lets not blow that out of all proportion..he was only stating the bleeding obvious that we all knew anyway...the results at that point weren't satisfactory!
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Post by htafcokay on Sept 20, 2023 10:15:29 GMT 1
Capt, I cannot believe for one second that what got the ball rolling here was that now infamous tweet from Nagle after the Norwich game to which NW responded, which he had a right to do. If you work in an office and thereās an issue, your office manager doesnāt have it out with you across the office floor, itās done behind closed doors. NW had signed on for the season and I believe the vast majority of fans thought heād be here to see it out, or the bulk of it, and that there certainly wouldnāt be a parting of the ways after just a handful of games. Given from his reaction at Mondayās press conference where he still looked surprised, Iām guessing NW wasnāt expecting it either. We move on now but this next appointment had better be right up there because anything less and they, and the club, will be right up against it from the start. We know what to expect from Neil Warnock, the jury is very much still out on this new Chairman and his team. He said himself, he expected it to be nearer xmas time. Any fan who thought it was for the whole season had misunderstood the situation and warnock clearly didnt expect or even want that.This is the question...Do you think they should go back on the arrangement they made with Warnock ( because he insisted on being temporary ) , reject the bloke theyve identified as our long term permanent manager , just so we can keep warnock on for a couple more months?....thats what it boils down to. I think that would be absurd myself. A ridiculous thing to do. I do agree Nagles tweets after Norwich weren't helpful, but lets not blow that out of all proportion..he was only stating the bleeding obvious that we all knew anyway...the results at that point weren't satisfactory! 17th June 2023 www.htafc.com/news/2023/june/one-more-year-for-warnock-and-jepson/ONE MORE YEAR FOR WARNOCK AND JEPSON!
Chief Executive Jake Edwards explained:
āWeāve heard Town fans loud and clear, both at the Reading game and ever since. You all wanted āone more yearā under Neil and Ronnie, and this had to be our first order of business as we prepare for the new season.
āNeil and Ronnie have incredible knowledge and skill as a management team; that was clear in the job they achieved here at the end of last season. They also have an amazing connection with this Club and our supporters, which is also so valuable.
āWeāre so pleased Neil has agreed to stay on for another season. I know how determined he is to build on the job heās done last season, and he offers us great experience and stability on the football side as we prepare for the prospective change of ownership.ā
Seems like Jake Edwards misunderstood the situation as well...
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