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Post by Up the Duff. on Jul 28, 2023 12:50:28 GMT 1
The club is still suffering the legacy from the mismanagement of it by DH and PH, there’s no sugarcoating that fact. I am very glad that neither of those are officially connected with the club any more. I don’t understand why when the club was taken over by KN he couldn’t have issued a new budget to the EFL to replace the budget DH apparently had to provide back in March. It seems preposterous to me that the budget for 23-24 has actually been set by the previous owner but that’s the fact of it if I understand correctly. KN is having to live with the consequences, FOR NOW. To give the club only until the close of the first transfer window to satisfy what you think needs to be done, is unfair on KN, in my opinion. I liked you do not understand why when the club was taken over by KN he couldn’t have issued a new budget to the EFL. Any other business would be able to-do this, so although I know that the football structure can't run a raffle (just look at VAR) I just can not swallow the logic on this one. I am giving the club until the end of the first window to sign three players that will strengthen the first eleven. Given the standard of the squad this is not too much of an ask. I believe that it is unfair to expect NW to keep turning water into wine and repeat last years miracle over a full season with business we have done to date. The budget can be changed upon new ownership and allowances are made for new owners to put additional investment into a club. A continual change of ownership to swerve ffp however would not be allowed. There was a discussion about the potential for clubs doing this on the radio some time ago but I can't remember for sure which club they were talking about.. possibly Birmingham? |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jul 28, 2023 12:51:30 GMT 1
No they weren't. Hogg was made available to us because Watford were promoted to the premier league and had big plans for his position. Nicholls would not sign a contract and was left in the stiffs. As for Pearson I don't recall to be honest. I think Hoggy wanted to move back north too Same for Pearson I think |
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Post by goodbet on Jul 28, 2023 13:00:48 GMT 1
I liked you do not understand why when the club was taken over by KN he couldn’t have issued a new budget to the EFL. Any other business would be able to-do this, so although I know that the football structure can't run a raffle (just look at VAR) I just can not swallow the logic on this one. I am giving the club until the end of the first window to sign three players that will strengthen the first eleven. Given the standard of the squad this is not too much of an ask. I believe that it is unfair to expect NW to keep turning water into wine and repeat last years miracle over a full season with business we have done to date. How remarkably magnanimous of you! " I am giving the club until the end of the first window to sign three players that will strengthen the first eleven. Given the standard of the squad this is not too much of an ask." Thanks, I thought I was too. |
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Post by mrg on Jul 28, 2023 13:17:18 GMT 1
Havent we read somewhere that KN under the deal with fit and proper owners test has had to pick up some slack from the last 2 years figures, i.e this years budget is still effected by ffp and the last 2 years figures in particular?
My read of it is phil priced his £2m shares he bought at God knows where and dean paid for it.
Its been a total mess since the PL but at least the bottom hasnt fallen out. The club have traded their way out of a lot of issues and written off some losses.
Town will finish mid table as in 7th to 14th for the first time in many years this year, as someome else said, its a transition season.
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Post by pterrier on Jul 28, 2023 13:38:32 GMT 1
Havent we read somewhere that KN under the deal with fit and proper owners test has had to pick up some slack from the last 2 years figures, i.e this years budget is still effected by ffp and the last 2 years figures in particular? My read of it is phil priced his £2m shares he bought at God knows where and dean paid for it. Its been a total mess since the PL but at least the bottom hasnt fallen out. The club have traded their way out of a lot of issues and written off some losses. Town will finish mid table as in 7th to 14th for the first time in many years this year, as someome else said, its a transition season. Absolutely love your optimism that this current team will comfortably finish mid-table, as high as 7th! |
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Post by mrg on Jul 28, 2023 13:46:14 GMT 1
Havent we read somewhere that KN under the deal with fit and proper owners test has had to pick up some slack from the last 2 years figures, i.e this years budget is still effected by ffp and the last 2 years figures in particular? My read of it is phil priced his £2m shares he bought at God knows where and dean paid for it. Its been a total mess since the PL but at least the bottom hasnt fallen out. The club have traded their way out of a lot of issues and written off some losses. Town will finish mid table as in 7th to 14th for the first time in many years this year, as someome else said, its a transition season. Absolutely love your optimism that this current team will comfortably finish mid-table, as high as 7th! Lol, i said 7th to 14th, knowing that if i said 15th we may have finished there under the cowleys. Im not sure i said confortably either. I agree with most, squad needs a reboot, but its worth giving these lads a try and seeing whst they come up with. They finished 5th in the form table at the end of the year. Id be shocked if they could hold thst all year but mid table should be ok. The mistake warnock has already made is not bringing in a replacement for narcis. Does he honestly think he and ronnie can out think and out train the division? I highly doubt that. |
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Post by Sparrow on Jul 28, 2023 13:47:57 GMT 1
The club is still suffering the legacy from the mismanagement of it by DH and PH, there’s no sugarcoating that fact. I am very glad that neither of those are officially connected with the club any more. I don’t understand why when the club was taken over by KN he couldn’t have issued a new budget to the EFL to replace the budget DH apparently had to provide back in March. It seems preposterous to me that the budget for 23-24 has actually been set by the previous owner but that’s the fact of it if I understand correctly. KN is having to live with the consequences, FOR NOW. To give the club only until the close of the first transfer window to satisfy what you think needs to be done, is unfair on KN, in my opinion. I liked you do not understand why when the club was taken over by KN he couldn’t have issued a new budget to the EFL. Any other business would be able to-do this, so although I know that the football structure can't run a raffle (just look at VAR) I just can not swallow the logic on this one. I am giving the club until the end of the first window to sign three players that will strengthen the first eleven. Given the standard of the squad this is not too much of an ask. I believe that it is unfair to expect NW to keep turning water into wine and repeat last years miracle over a full season with business we have done to date. May I ask what you are going to do if the club, in your opinion, don't sign these 3 players that strengthen the first 11? Not saying we don't need or wont get 3 fist 11 signings, just interested to understand your course of action if we don't and how it will benefit the club you support? |
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Post by goalden on Jul 28, 2023 14:07:10 GMT 1
Havent we read somewhere that KN under the deal with fit and proper owners test has had to pick up some slack from the last 2 years figures, i.e this years budget is still effected by ffp and the last 2 years figures in particular? My read of it is phil priced his £2m shares he bought at God knows where and dean paid for it. Its been a total mess since the PL but at least the bottom hasnt fallen out. The club have traded their way out of a lot of issues and written off some losses. Town will finish mid table as in 7th to 14th for the first time in many years this year, as someome else said, its a transition season. I agree with this. We have invested in one of the best managers in the division, and as bad as we were last year, we were only 16 points of the playoffs (and should have been 12 points after blowing the wins at Blackpool and Hull). I'm actually excited for the season (even without any signings) but then I always am at this time of year. I don't see any point in getting annoyed before a ball has been kicked. I'm looking forward to the game tomorrow. There were a lot of positives in the game at Stockport - none more so than a desire to win and a lack of any 'it's a friendly so I'll take it easy nonsense'. I believe that the young players think they are good enough to start, and that is going to put a lot of pressure on the more established older players to play from the off. |
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Post by crux on Jul 28, 2023 14:12:38 GMT 1
Absolutely love your optimism that this current team will comfortably finish mid-table, as high as 7th! Lol, i said 7th to 14th, knowing that if i said 15th we may have finished there under the cowleys. Im not sure i said confortably either. I agree with most, squad needs a reboot, but its worth giving these lads a try and seeing whst they come up with. They finished 5th in the form table at the end of the year. Id be shocked if they could hold thst all year but mid table should be ok. The mistake warnock has already made is not bringing in a replacement for narcis. Does he honestly think he and ronnie can out think and out train the division? I highly doubt that. NW brought in Carl Serrant www.htafc.com/matches/technical-staff/management--coaching/carl-serrant/ |
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Post by Drew Peacock on Jul 28, 2023 14:47:28 GMT 1
The club is still suffering the legacy from the mismanagement of it by DH and PH, there’s no sugarcoating that fact. I am very glad that neither of those are officially connected with the club any more. I don’t understand why when the club was taken over by KN he couldn’t have issued a new budget to the EFL to replace the budget DH apparently had to provide back in March. It seems preposterous to me that the budget for 23-24 has actually been set by the previous owner but that’s the fact of it if I understand correctly. KN is having to live with the consequences, FOR NOW. To give the club only until the close of the first transfer window to satisfy what you think needs to be done, is unfair on KN, in my opinion. I liked you do not understand why when the club was taken over by KN he couldn’t have issued a new budget to the EFL. Any other business would be able to-do this, so although I know that the football structure can't run a raffle (just look at VAR) I just can not swallow the logic on this one. I am giving the club until the end of the first window to sign three players that will strengthen the first eleven. Given the standard of the squad this is not too much of an ask. I believe that it is unfair to expect NW to keep turning water into wine and repeat last years miracle over a full season with business we have done to date. Given our only fit right back is Brodie Spencer I would argue this signing does strengthen the first eleven. So just two more then? |
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Post by goodbet on Jul 28, 2023 14:47:52 GMT 1
I liked you do not understand why when the club was taken over by KN he couldn’t have issued a new budget to the EFL. Any other business would be able to-do this, so although I know that the football structure can't run a raffle (just look at VAR) I just can not swallow the logic on this one. I am giving the club until the end of the first window to sign three players that will strengthen the first eleven. Given the standard of the squad this is not too much of an ask. I believe that it is unfair to expect NW to keep turning water into wine and repeat last years miracle over a full season with business we have done to date. May I ask what you are going to do if the club, in your opinion, don't sign these 3 players that strengthen the first 11? Not saying we don't need or wont get 3 fist 11 signings, just interested to understand your course of action if we don't and how it will benefit the club you support? I have not bought a season ticket this year, this is not down to the new owner, but it is because my mate who I go to see Town with died of cancer. So if we don't invest in the first team I will definitely not renew for me and my son and limit the games that I do see. |
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Post by prepare on Jul 28, 2023 14:49:03 GMT 1
Lol, i said 7th to 14th, knowing that if i said 15th we may have finished there under the cowleys. Im not sure i said confortably either. I agree with most, squad needs a reboot, but it’s worth giving these lads a try and seeing whst they come up with. They finished 5th in the form table at the end of the year. Id be shocked if they could hold thst all year but mid table should be ok. The mistake warnock has already made is not bringing in a replacement for narcis. Does he honestly think he and ronnie can out think and out train the division? I highlyar doubt that. NW brought in Carl Serrant www.htafc.com/matches/technical-staff/management--coaching/carl-serrant/we have replaced Jarvis get up to date!! |
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Post by goodbet on Jul 28, 2023 14:50:39 GMT 1
I liked you do not understand why when the club was taken over by KN he couldn’t have issued a new budget to the EFL. Any other business would be able to-do this, so although I know that the football structure can't run a raffle (just look at VAR) I just can not swallow the logic on this one. I am giving the club until the end of the first window to sign three players that will strengthen the first eleven. Given the standard of the squad this is not too much of an ask. I believe that it is unfair to expect NW to keep turning water into wine and repeat last years miracle over a full season with business we have done to date. Given our only fit right back is Brodie Spencer I would argue this signing does strengthen the first eleven. So just two more then? I mean to strengthen the first eleven even if they are not fit to play. We have run down the team over a number of years, selling and replacing with hopeful punts on the future. |
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Post by prepare on Jul 28, 2023 14:52:37 GMT 1
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Post by Sparrow on Jul 28, 2023 15:03:07 GMT 1
May I ask what you are going to do if the club, in your opinion, don't sign these 3 players that strengthen the first 11? Not saying we don't need or wont get 3 fist 11 signings, just interested to understand your course of action if we don't and how it will benefit the club you support? I have not bought a season ticket this year, this is not down to the new owner, but it is because my mate who I go to see Town with died of cancer. So if we don't invest in the first team I will definitely not renew for me and my son and limit the games that I do see. Condolences on the loss of your mate. Having had Cancer myself I know how horrible it is. I don’t know about you, but going to Town matches with my 13 year old is just something we do together. It’s a father son thing that I also had with my dad. I’d do it regardless of the division we’re in and regardless of how the team is doing. Although after this season I think he’ll start going with his mates……But then the youngest will be 6, so I’ll start taking him. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Jul 28, 2023 16:01:04 GMT 1
Absolutely love your optimism that this current team will comfortably finish mid-table, as high as 7th! Lol, i said 7th to 14th, knowing that if i said 15th we may have finished there under the cowleys. Im not sure i said confortably either. I agree with most, squad needs a reboot, but its worth giving these lads a try and seeing whst they come up with. They finished 5th in the form table at the end of the year. Id be shocked if they could hold thst all year but mid table should be ok. The mistake warnock has already made is not bringing in a replacement for narcis. Does he honestly think he and ronnie can out think and out train the division? I highly doubt that. There’s no chance of 7th to 14th with our centre midfield unfortunately. I would absolutely take 4th bottom right now. |
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Post by JG Mellor on Jul 28, 2023 16:08:50 GMT 1
Havent we read somewhere that KN under the deal with fit and proper owners test has had to pick up some slack from the last 2 years figures, i.e this years budget is still effected by ffp and the last 2 years figures in particular? My read of it is phil priced his £2m shares he bought at God knows where and dean paid for it. Its been a total mess since the PL but at least the bottom hasnt fallen out. The club have traded their way out of a lot of issues and written off some losses. Town will finish mid table as in 7th to 14th for the first time in many years this year, as someome else said, its a transition season. I bet you wouldn't put a ton on that. |
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Post by crux on Jul 28, 2023 16:19:47 GMT 1
we have replaced narcisget up to date!! I'm guessing you quoted the wrong post there 😗😉🤣 |
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Post by rockwall on Jul 28, 2023 16:53:40 GMT 1
Absolutely love your optimism that this current team will comfortably finish mid-table, as high as 7th! Lol, i said 7th to 14th, knowing that if i said 15th we may have finished there under the cowleys. Im not sure i said confortably either. I agree with most, squad needs a reboot, but its worth giving these lads a try and seeing whst they come up with. They finished 5th in the form table at the end of the year. Id be shocked if they could hold thst all year but mid table should be ok. The mistake warnock has already made is not bringing in a replacement for narcis. Does he honestly think he and ronnie can out think and out train the division? I highly doubt that. Carl Serrant? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 28, 2023 16:55:58 GMT 1
I'm guessing you quoted the wrong post there 😗😉🤣 That's only the start of it |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jul 28, 2023 17:01:55 GMT 1
The real business won’t begin until this season is over and Warnock’s successor is in place. Until then the club has to somehow muddle through and ensure it starts 2024-25 in the Championship. I appreciate it’s all very frustrating and underwhelming but I can’t think of anyone better to see us through this coming season than NW. I do believe KN when he says he’s in this (HTAFC) for the long haul. Forget what other clubs might be doing in the transfer market, massive mistakes have undoubtedly been made over the last few years by the former club owners and the consequence is that the NEW owner has no option but to tread cautiously this season. The football league is flooded with examples of clubs owned by sometimes mysterious and suspicious individuals or entities that have seriously mishandled club affairs and got them into serious difficulties (Pompey, Birmingham, Hull, Charlton, Wigan, Reading, Crawley…….) often with an almost complete breakdown in relationships between the owners and the fans. The last thing we want, surely, is to become just the latest club to suffer from gross mismanagement from a remote owner? Let KN and his team settle in because I’d suggest that their track record suggests that ultimately they will deliver. We have seen the talk, but for me we have to see the walk and I give them until the end of the transfer window. I have had enough of Dean since his illness followed by Phil and I am not willing to listen to any more secrecy clauses. The new owners are having to pick up a mess and run with it not to sit down and wait for 2024/25 and in the meantime Neil has to repeat last years trick for a full season. I know this board is split on Dean but I think you have to take into account both sides of the scales. The riot we had getting to tha championship, the wild ride to the premier League and the miracle of survival. Yes there on it has been shite but often for good reasons. In my view I forgive the pain as the pleasure was euphoric. Quick fixes never work ask a mechanic or roofer |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jul 28, 2023 17:06:50 GMT 1
May I ask what you are going to do if the club, in your opinion, don't sign these 3 players that strengthen the first 11? Not saying we don't need or wont get 3 fist 11 signings, just interested to understand your course of action if we don't and how it will benefit the club you support? I have not bought a season ticket this year, this is not down to the new owner, but it is because my mate who I go to see Town with died of cancer. So if we don't invest in the first team I will definitely not renew for me and my son and limit the games that I do see. That's fair enough |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jul 28, 2023 17:08:24 GMT 1
I have not bought a season ticket this year, this is not down to the new owner, but it is because my mate who I go to see Town with died of cancer. So if we don't invest in the first team I will definitely not renew for me and my son and limit the games that I do see. Condolences on the loss of your mate. Having had Cancer myself I know how horrible it is. I don’t know about you, but going to Town matches with my 13 year old is just something we do together. It’s a father son thing that I also had with my dad. I’d do it regardless of the division we’re in and regardless of how the team is doing. Although after this season I think he’ll start going with his mates……But then the youngest will be 6, so I’ll start taking him. Me too but it's my grand kids that will bear the burden |
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Post by goodbet on Jul 28, 2023 17:17:39 GMT 1
Condolences on the loss of your mate. Having had Cancer myself I know how horrible it is. I don’t know about you, but going to Town matches with my 13 year old is just something we do together. It’s a father son thing that I also had with my dad. I’d do it regardless of the division we’re in and regardless of how the team is doing. Although after this season I think he’ll start going with his mates……But then the youngest will be 6, so I’ll start taking him. Me too but it's my grand kids that will bear the burden My grandkids are a write off, one is a Man City fan (his dad always has been back to when they were poor). One supports L@@ds, I have no excuse for him and one is a Leicester fan as it his local team. Finally, one just dislikes sports altogether. |
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Post by ldotm on Jul 28, 2023 17:45:29 GMT 1
The real business won’t begin until this season is over and Warnock’s successor is in place. Until then the club has to somehow muddle through and ensure it starts 2024-25 in the Championship. I appreciate it’s all very frustrating and underwhelming but I can’t think of anyone better to see us through this coming season than NW. I do believe KN when he says he’s in this (HTAFC) for the long haul. Forget what other clubs might be doing in the transfer market, massive mistakes have undoubtedly been made over the last few years by the former club owners and the consequence is that the NEW owner has no option but to tread cautiously this season. Is that actually a bad thing? The football league is flooded with examples of clubs owned by sometimes mysterious and suspicious individuals or entities that have seriously mishandled club affairs and got them into serious difficulties (Pompey, Birmingham, Hull, Charlton, Wigan, Reading, Crawley…….) often with an almost complete breakdown in relationships between the owners and the fans (I go to Crawley now and then so keep an eye on their forum). The last thing we want, surely, is to become just the latest club to suffer from gross mismanagement from a remote owner? Let KN and his team settle in because I’d suggest that their track record suggests that ultimately they will deliver. Great post |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 28, 2023 18:19:27 GMT 1
Havent we read somewhere that KN under the deal with fit and proper owners test has had to pick up some slack from the last 2 years figures, i.e this years budget is still effected by ffp and the last 2 years figures in particular? My read of it is phil priced his £2m shares he bought at God knows where and dean paid for it. Its been a total mess since the PL but at least the bottom hasnt fallen out. The club have traded their way out of a lot of issues and written off some losses. Town will finish mid table as in 7th to 14th for the first time in many years this year, as someome else said, its a transition season. Absolutely love your optimism that this current team will comfortably finish mid-table, as high as 7th! Ha, it's refreshing to see with all the doom mongering and the usual suspects moaning about the lack of spending, but this is just setting yourself up to be disappointed 😄 |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 28, 2023 18:28:02 GMT 1
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Post by warnockbrasil on Jul 28, 2023 18:52:30 GMT 1
The MlS to championship pipeline.... great I'd be SO pissed off if we'd signed someone of the calibre of Darryl Dike, Almiron or Alphonso Davies.... Please tell me you are not comparing edwards to those players... Almiron is also a terrible example. He went from cerro to lanus then to the MLS for huge money. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jul 28, 2023 19:23:46 GMT 1
Me too but it's my grand kids that will bear the burden My grandkids are a write off, one is a Man City fan (his dad always has been back to when they were poor). One supports L@@ds, I have no excuse for him and one is a Leicester fan as it his local team. Finally, one just dislikes sports altogether. My thoughts are with you |
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 28, 2023 20:25:58 GMT 1
I'd be SO pissed off if we'd signed someone of the calibre of Darryl Dike, Almiron or Alphonso Davies.... Please tell me you are not comparing edwards to those players... Almiron is also a terrible example. He went from cerro to lanus then to the MLS for huge money. You seemed to be suggesting that you couldn't get decent players from MLS. I saw an opportunity to respond in a facetious manner. Anyone familiar with my posts will know that I rarely pass up an opportunity to be facetious. There is a point there though. Specifically that him having played in MLS is irrelevant. Neither a promise of Alphonso Davies level quality nor a reason to write them off. |
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