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Post by merseysideterrier on Aug 25, 2023 10:30:06 GMT 1
Unbelieveable admission from Mike Dean on the Up Front podcast, basically that he as VAR knowingly overlooked a foul directly before the 96th minute equaliser in Chelsea v Spurs last season because Anthony Taylor is a 'mate' and he didn't want to give him any 'grief'. Surely the football authorities have to overhaul VAR and wider officiating at this point?
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Post by 28901 on Aug 25, 2023 10:34:37 GMT 1
The only thing they should do now is consign the whole shitshow to the bin.
It ruins the game as a spectacle
It kills the emotion
It doesn't stop controversial decisions
It gets things badly wrong
Its clearly there to favour certain clubs
Without doubt the worst thing to ever happen to the game. Is there any genuine fan out there who actually still defends it?
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 25, 2023 10:38:21 GMT 1
The only thing they should do now is consign the whole shitshow to the bin. It ruins the game as a spectacle It kills the emotion It doesn't stop controversial decisions It gets things badly wrong Its clearly there to favour certain clubs Without doubt the worst thing to ever happen to the game. Is there any genuine fan out there who actually still defends it? It's not the technology at fault, it's the idiots operating the machine. I don't remember it being such a spectacle in the World Cup? And the European leagues seem to get it spot on. It's our officials that are shite, not the technology. |
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Post by detox on Aug 25, 2023 10:40:21 GMT 1
It's PGMOL again...a closed shop of self aggrandising, self important dick heads...
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Post by 28901 on Aug 25, 2023 10:53:27 GMT 1
The only thing they should do now is consign the whole shitshow to the bin. It ruins the game as a spectacle It kills the emotion It doesn't stop controversial decisions It gets things badly wrong Its clearly there to favour certain clubs Without doubt the worst thing to ever happen to the game. Is there any genuine fan out there who actually still defends it? It's not the technology at fault, it's the idiots operating the machine. I don't remember it being such a spectacle in the World Cup? And the European leagues seem to get it spot on. It's our officials that are shite, not the technology. Id still prefer not to have it. I want to watch a match in real time. If its a goal I want to celebrate not sit there for 5 minutes while some cretin looks for marginal offside. Is football any better with it. Is it fuck. Its shit and its brought nothing of any value to the game, except more controversy and talking points fir ex pros in amongst the adverts. As soon as it comes to the championship I'm out. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Aug 25, 2023 10:54:00 GMT 1
VAR itself should have been a good addition to the game correcting mistakes made by the officials - The main trouble with VAR is the refs who are running it or should that be ruining it. Other sports unlike football, have implemented the use of replay and technology to enhance their decision making.
The current way it is used only definitive decisions like offside are bettered but the rest can be binned as they are making things worse and perceived bigger clubs are getting more 'decisions' in their favour
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Post by harris on Aug 25, 2023 11:04:23 GMT 1
Spurs not getting a card cost me £500 that day, glad Mike Dean kept his mate happy though 🙄
Similar will have happened with Tierney and Moss at Wembley as Moss became Tierney’s boss at full time, joke that these things can have an impact on getting the decision correct.
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Post by bhraoinbeg48 on Aug 25, 2023 11:09:53 GMT 1
This statement, in simple terms, admits there is partiality in the VAR room in this case for the alleged defence of a colleague. It calls the integrity of the whole system into question. In our own recent history we have seen VAR, in my opinion, being used to advance the interests of one tclub to the disadvantage of another. I find it deeply depressing but hardly surprising
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Post by Dan on Aug 25, 2023 11:15:44 GMT 1
Watched it earlier, and my first thought was obviously the play off final.
Do you think Paul Tierney wanted to tell his future boss he potentially got a big decision wrong and send him to the screen in his last game as a referee?
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Post by benhomly on Aug 25, 2023 11:18:19 GMT 1
Anyone who hasn't yet made his mind up whether Mike Dean is a total prick or not just needs to watch that clip of him in the crowd at Tranmere.
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Post by rockwall on Aug 25, 2023 11:25:18 GMT 1
Rumour has it, Tierney didn't want to upset his friend Moss......
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Post by artysid on Aug 25, 2023 11:26:29 GMT 1
"Anthony Taylor is a 'mate' and he didn't want to give him any 'grief"
It's this attitude I genuinely don't understand and which I think is probably unique to football.
How can giving someone the opportunity to rectify a mistake be seen as "giving them grief"?
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Post by ritchie on Aug 25, 2023 12:07:00 GMT 1
"Anthony Taylor is a 'mate' and he didn't want to give him any 'grief" It's this attitude I genuinely don't understand and which I think is probably unique to football. How can giving someone the opportunity to rectify a mistake be seen as "giving them grief"? Exactly.. Bizarre. The camera still sees it and if anything it makes everything scrutinized more. |
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Post by griffa on Aug 25, 2023 12:12:12 GMT 1
Spurs not getting a card cost me £500 that day, glad Mike Dean kept his mate happy though 🙄 Similar will have happened with Tierney and Moss at Wembley as Moss became Tierney’s boss at full time, joke that these things can have an impact on getting the decision correct. So finally the truth is out, Mike Dean, Moss & Tierney, axis of evil, cheating barstewards - UTT. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 25, 2023 12:12:15 GMT 1
What a spanner
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Aug 25, 2023 12:19:59 GMT 1
Just keep it for offsides or serious fouls/incidents a referee might miss. I.e someone being headbutted.
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Post by goodbet on Aug 25, 2023 12:28:18 GMT 1
Just keep it for offsides or serious fouls/incidents a referee might miss. I.e someone being headbutted. Just make it open like in Rugby League. So we all know what has been referred and what has not and we can all see the replays and hear what the referees say. No chance will the footballing authorities do this as they won't be able to support the top six clubs! |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 25, 2023 13:25:51 GMT 1
Anyone who hasn't yet made his mind up whether Mike Dean is a total prick or not just needs to watch that clip of him in the crowd at Tranmere. Going mad when the team he's supported all his life are winning a big match ? |
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Post by benhomly on Aug 25, 2023 13:31:58 GMT 1
Anyone who hasn't yet made his mind up whether Mike Dean is a total prick or not just needs to watch that clip of him in the crowd at Tranmere. Going mad when the team he's supported all his life are winning a big match ? Take another look, everyone else around him is celebrating a lot less manically than he is. He's jumping on the seats screaming 'It's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, look look it's me me me me, Mike Dean'. And relax, I can see a camera pointing at me. Total prick. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 25, 2023 13:51:27 GMT 1
Football is corrupt.
Who’d a thunk it eh…
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Post by sabailand on Aug 25, 2023 14:23:20 GMT 1
Just keep it for offsides or serious fouls/incidents a referee might miss. I.e someone being headbutted. Just make it open like in Rugby League. So we all know what has been referred and what has not and we can all see the replays and hear what the referees say. No chance will the footballing authorities do this as they won't be able to support the top six clubs! They dont have the bottle. |
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Post by mosher on Aug 25, 2023 14:47:48 GMT 1
Just make it open like in Rugby League. So we all know what has been referred and what has not and we can all see the replays and hear what the referees say. No chance will the footballing authorities do this as they won't be able to support the top six clubs! They dont have the bottle. Plus I don't think they'd want us to hear when they're "doing a favour for a mate" as Mike Dean puts it.  |
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Post by sabailand on Aug 25, 2023 14:52:47 GMT 1
They dont have the bottle. Plus I don't think they'd want us to hear when they're "doing a favour for a mate" as Mike Dean puts it. Wonder if he realises what hes possibly let himself and other refs in for. |
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Post by bigtruck on Aug 25, 2023 15:03:13 GMT 1
Just keep it for offsides or serious fouls/incidents a referee might miss. I.e someone being headbutted. Just make it open like in Rugby League. So we all know what has been referred and what has not and we can all see the replays and hear what the referees say. No chance will the footballing authorities do this as they won't be able to support the top six clubs! Exactly this. Look how well the technology has done in both cricket and rugby. They had the chance to make it nice and simple. Team scores. Ref asks VAR to have a look at a certain part of build up he's not sure of but his on field decision is goal. VAR has no clear evidence to contradict Ref. Goal stands. Its all this VAR telling the Ref What to do or what not to do which has cocked it up. This way there's absolutely no rereffing the game which they wanted and refs use it to help them not judge them. |
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Post by mosher on Aug 25, 2023 15:11:36 GMT 1
Just make it open like in Rugby League. So we all know what has been referred and what has not and we can all see the replays and hear what the referees say. No chance will the footballing authorities do this as they won't be able to support the top six clubs! Exactly this. Look how well the technology has done in both cricket and rugby. They had the chance to make it nice and simple. Team scores. Ref asks VAR to have a look at a certain part of build up he's not sure of but his on field decision is goal. VAR has no clear evidence to contradict Ref. Goal stands. Its all this VAR telling the Ref What to do or what not to do which has cocked it up. This way there's absolutely no rereffing the game which they wanted and refs use it to help them not judge them. When they first announced VAR this is the exact reason I was all for it. But the way the FA, EFL, EPL and PGMOL have implemented it is just an absolute joke. If something takes more than a minute to detect an error, it's not bloody "clear and obvious". |
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Post by detox on Aug 25, 2023 15:15:07 GMT 1
The worrying thing about this is it reveals what we have all suspected...that there's a degree of favouritism in the decision making process. How far does this extend...the top clubs get fevourable decisions, as we all thought..small clubs get treated differently because there's less fuss from them, lower profile..unlike man Utd, for example. To me this statement has finally confirmed what we've all thought all along....
Unfortunately, the big clubs who receive this 'special treatment' basically run the game anyway..the FA quivver before them, bending the knee, nodding dogs all of them....so nothing us likely to change. It's a bit like the Tories who have control of the UK media...it stinks.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 25, 2023 15:31:26 GMT 1
The only thing they should do now is consign the whole shitshow to the bin. It ruins the game as a spectacle It kills the emotion It doesn't stop controversial decisions It gets things badly wrong Its clearly there to favour certain clubs Without doubt the worst thing to ever happen to the game. Is there any genuine fan out there who actually still defends it? It's not the technology at fault, it's the idiots operating the machine. I don't remember it being such a spectacle in the World Cup? And the European leagues seem to get it spot on. It's our officials that are shite, not the technology. Its made worse by the idiots running it, but it still ruins the games for any match going fan. Even when run well it removes that moment of ecstasy when your team scores a goal..the bit that everyone goes to the game for. Fans dont celebrate like they used to..is it a goal,,maybe,,maybe not..have to wait until VAR has taken a look incase it can find some minute obscure reason why it isnt a goal. With VAR, for most goals, its effectively like being awarded a penalty...youve probably scored..but there every chance you havent. Scrap it... football was much better without it. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 25, 2023 15:34:01 GMT 1
Exactly this. Look how well the technology has done in both cricket and rugby. They had the chance to make it nice and simple. Team scores. Ref asks VAR to have a look at a certain part of build up he's not sure of but his on field decision is goal. VAR has no clear evidence to contradict Ref. Goal stands. Its all this VAR telling the Ref What to do or what not to do which has cocked it up. This way there's absolutely no rereffing the game which they wanted and refs use it to help them not judge them. When they first announced VAR this is the exact reason I was all for it. But the way the FA, EFL, EPL and PGMOL have implemented it is just an absolute joke. If something takes more than a minute to detect an error, it's not bloody "clear and obvious". agree, though replace a minute for 10 seconds. |
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Post by mosher on Aug 25, 2023 15:35:36 GMT 1
When they first announced VAR this is the exact reason I was all for it. But the way the FA, EFL, EPL and PGMOL have implemented it is just an absolute joke. If something takes more than a minute to detect an error, it's not bloody "clear and obvious". agree, though replace a minute for 10 seconds. I was gonna put 30 seconds but it took longer than that for me to be certain about our second "penalty" against florists  |
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Post by Ibiza Town on Aug 25, 2023 15:52:42 GMT 1
Sums up in a nutshell what happened at the play off final
Old boys network not wanting to upset Moss on his last game, particularly due to his upcoming position
VAR is a joke
PGMOL is a joke
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