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Post by 28901 on Aug 25, 2023 17:31:27 GMT 1
I'm still waiting for somebody to actually point out what has improved since var was introduced.
The answer is absolutely nothing.
A lot of things are considerably worse.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 25, 2023 17:44:45 GMT 1
I'm still waiting for somebody to actually point out what has improved since var was introduced. The answer is absolutely nothing. A lot of things are considerably worse. Im sure they'll have a stat that says that 80% of incorrect decisions are now being corrected or something. Most of them rely on the moment they decide the ball was passed to the goaloscorer being exactly correct,, and its always a guess....a micro-second either way, less than the frame of film, can make a foot of difference to the image they use. But to me, I dont really care if they get so many more decisions right...it ruins the game. Id much rather accept that the ref and Lino will call it wrong sometimes but know that when my team scores, and the Lino doesnt put up his flag and the ref is pointing to the centre circle,,,, its a goal. I wont be waiting for 4 minutes for some chump in a studio somewhere to decide that actually our player was the width of a cock hair offside in the build up to the goal. |
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Post by ben1987 on Aug 25, 2023 17:48:32 GMT 1
This just proves that cricket is a far superior sport.
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Post by detox on Aug 25, 2023 17:48:37 GMT 1
I'm still waiting for somebody to actually point out what has improved since var was introduced. The answer is absolutely nothing. A lot of things are considerably worse. pre VAR we spent several years moaning about refs and lino's decisions..and on TV , with the advantage of numerous cameras the pundits were crucifying the officials every week. I keep thinking of the England goal v Germany in the world cup in S Africa...2 yards over the line and not given... So the offer of VAR and goal line technology was grabbed with both hands by almost everyone, because we couldn't go on as we were , they said.
The trouble is with the interpretation and use. It's also hampered by the theory, or principle, that ref is still the sole arbritator on the field...despite that role now being almost secondary. The rules need updating..and folk need to stop whinging about offside "by a boot lace"..they wanted technology for offsides they said..and should have known that 1/2" would be the difference in some cases...so what, off is off !.
I don't mind VAR because (in theory) you know you are going to get the right result..which is important..I don't mind the delays either because it gets exciting.. What I don't like though is like goalies moving a fraction off the line when saving penalties and a re-take ordered...I mean every keeper moves but it's not always referred to VAR.. Otherwise , assuming we can get the rules ammended a bit...and dump the dodgy officials 'mates' scenario, I'm ok with VAR.
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Post by 28901 on Aug 25, 2023 18:01:55 GMT 1
I'm still waiting for somebody to actually point out what has improved since var was introduced. The answer is absolutely nothing. A lot of things are considerably worse. pre VAR we spent several years moaning about refs and lino's decisions..and on TV , with the advantage of numerous cameras the pundits were crucifying the officials every week. I keep thinking of the England goal v Germany in the world cup in S Africa...2 yards over the line and not given... So the offer of VAR and goal line technology was grabbed with both hands by almost everyone, because we couldn't go on as we were , they said.
The trouble is with the interpretation and use. It's also hampered by the theory, or principle, that ref is still the sole arbritator on the field...despite that role now being almost secondary. The rules need updating..and folk need to stop whinging about offside "by a boot lace"..they wanted technology for offsides they said..and should have known that 1/2" would be the difference in some cases...so what, off is off !.
I don't mind VAR because (in theory) you know you are going to get the right result..which is important..I don't mind the delays either because it gets exciting.. What I don't like though is like goalies moving a fraction off the line when saving penalties and a re-take ordered...I mean every keeper moves but it's not always referred to VAR.. Otherwise , assuming we can get the rules ammended a bit...and dump the dodgy officials 'mates' scenario, I'm ok with VAR.
Goal line technology would have corrected that obvious error (provided its working ie Blackpool last season). You think hanging around waiting for these incompetent, corrupt clowns is exciting and has brought something to the game? Sorry I just don't understand that concept at all. |
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Post by detox on Aug 25, 2023 18:09:56 GMT 1
pre VAR we spent several years moaning about refs and lino's decisions..and on TV , with the advantage of numerous cameras the pundits were crucifying the officials every week. I keep thinking of the England goal v Germany in the world cup in S Africa...2 yards over the line and not given... So the offer of VAR and goal line technology was grabbed with both hands by almost everyone, because we couldn't go on as we were , they said.
The trouble is with the interpretation and use. It's also hampered by the theory, or principle, that ref is still the sole arbritator on the field...despite that role now being almost secondary. The rules need updating..and folk need to stop whinging about offside "by a boot lace"..they wanted technology for offsides they said..and should have known that 1/2" would be the difference in some cases...so what, off is off !.
I don't mind VAR because (in theory) you know you are going to get the right result..which is important..I don't mind the delays either because it gets exciting.. What I don't like though is like goalies moving a fraction off the line when saving penalties and a re-take ordered...I mean every keeper moves but it's not always referred to VAR.. Otherwise , assuming we can get the rules ammended a bit...and dump the dodgy officials 'mates' scenario, I'm ok with VAR.
Goal line technology would have corrected that obvious error (provided its working ie Blackpool last season). You think hanging around waiting for these incompetent, corrupt clowns is exciting and has brought something to the game? Sorry I just don't understand that concept at all. Well, in reality, the vast majority of decisions are fairly quick, or straightforward. I agree there are some which seem outrageous and baffling..and of course those that are not referred like Town v Forest and others ! However most of the time it works ok. |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 25, 2023 18:22:53 GMT 1
Goal line technology would have corrected that obvious error (provided its working ie Blackpool last season). You think hanging around waiting for these incompetent, corrupt clowns is exciting and has brought something to the game? Sorry I just don't understand that concept at all. Well, in reality, the vast majority of decisions are fairly quick, or straightforward. I agree there are some which seem outrageous and baffling..and of course those that are not referred like Town v Forest and others ! However most of the time it works ok. My issue is mainly it completely changes tge way you watch the match as a spectacle. I remember reading the Shef U and Burnley boards and fans saying how much better it was to watch a game 'live' after relegation. |
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Post by willo on Aug 26, 2023 0:48:31 GMT 1
I’d do away with the lot bar goal line technology. The officials have proven they’re incompetent at best when dealing with it bordering on corrupt in some instances as borne out here with Dean. Still love watching Town but I’ve pretty much given up on Sky, motd, etc. I’m just done with all the diving, theatrics, obvious leaning by officials towards the so-called “big” clubs, the pallying up in the media with ex-pro’s on the panels, the same clubs winning everything, snooze, I could go on. It’s just all so cringey and predictable and a million miles away even from football as recent as the 90’s. It’s all conspired to make it a massive turn off for me. Can’t even be arsed to get angry anymore, just saddened that anyone under 25 won’t have known anything different to how football is now.
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Post by markthehorn on Aug 26, 2023 1:09:32 GMT 1
Sad thing is no one is that surprised or shocked .
Think that is the problem.
Mike Dean was probably just being “honest” in his own mind and feels he can say it now he isn’t working for the PGMOL:
In this case there were 2 big teams involved so rather than bias against one or another more a case of bad officiating and being unprofessional in the job (as a FIFA ref sure Anthony Taylor doesn’t see it as a “favour from a mate - he will now be under scrutiny all the time I suspect )
There is no doubt even before VAR pressure from bigger names and players particularly at home affects the performances and conscious of the officials .
It’s a World and European game so might as well have unhindered officials from all over the continent .
Might be good for the International game too - getting used to how different refs officiate from various countries .
England do seem to get a rough deal as seen in the World Cup v France .
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Post by philatrickstarbuck on Aug 26, 2023 1:35:28 GMT 1
Fook Mike Dean....
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Post by philatrickstarbuck on Aug 26, 2023 1:37:16 GMT 1
Pike Bean...
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 26, 2023 13:45:19 GMT 1
It's been mentioned on here about how bad the officiating is but how the fuck has Tim Robinson got into the greedy league 😯😯😯
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Post by arry11 on Aug 26, 2023 14:11:51 GMT 1
Exactly this. Look how well the technology has done in both cricket and rugby. They had the chance to make it nice and simple. Team scores. Ref asks VAR to have a look at a certain part of build up he's not sure of but his on field decision is goal. VAR has no clear evidence to contradict Ref. Goal stands. Its all this VAR telling the Ref What to do or what not to do which has cocked it up. This way there's absolutely no rereffing the game which they wanted and refs use it to help them not judge them. When they first announced VAR this is the exact reason I was all for it. But the way the FA, EFL, EPL and PGMOL have implemented it is just an absolute joke. If something takes more than a minute to detect an error, it's not bloody "clear and obvious". They have been known to pick up on the wrong incident and may have to check through the whole run up. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 2, 2023 18:32:58 GMT 1
How have VAR allowed that Ake goal to stand today? Leno can't make a decision until it is past Akanji so he has to be interfering
I think it's at a point now where they're just making things up as they go along
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Post by softboy on Sept 2, 2023 18:42:47 GMT 1
As I understand it when VAR first came along it was basically to cover ‘clear and obvious errors’. Now they seem to have to take into account. Who the ref is, who VAR ref is, whether they are mates or not! More importantly who is playing, are they a big club or small club, if they are a big club are they struggling and will a goal help them.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Sept 2, 2023 18:50:03 GMT 1
How have VAR allowed that Ake goal to stand today? Leno can't make a decision until it is past Akanji so he has to be interfering I think it's at a point now where they're just making things up as they go along Simple. Because he plays for Man City. |
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Sept 2, 2023 19:42:50 GMT 1
With the technology we have today a VAR ref could be anywhere in the world.
So why not for example have Bundersliga ref doing the Premiership, Ligue1 doing Seria A, Seria A refs doing the Bundersliga etc.
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Post by ACW on Sept 2, 2023 20:06:27 GMT 1
How have VAR allowed that Ake goal to stand today? Leno can't make a decision until it is past Akanji so he has to be interfering I think it's at a point now where they're just making things up as they go along Simple. Because he plays for Man City. Exactly. There is no way that goal would have stood if Fulham had scored it. VAR hasn't made the game fairer. If anything it's just made the bias towards the bigger clubs more conspicuous. |
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Post by markthehorn on Sept 3, 2023 7:33:03 GMT 1
Not much said on MOTD either compared to let’s say the Liverpool red cards in recent weeks.
Is that because the decision “only” affected a non top 6 side so didn’t matter as much in their eyes .
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Post by irverino on Sept 3, 2023 8:50:57 GMT 1
VAR had to intervene at Brentford game when the ball went over the goal line but was not picked by Huddersfield ref Bobby Madley's watch.....A year (Sept 4 v Blackpool) after the same shit cost Town, no VAR to save us though.
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Post by detox on Sept 3, 2023 9:20:04 GMT 1
VAR had to intervene at Brentford game when the ball went over the goal line but was not picked by Huddersfield ref Bobby Madley's watch.....A year (Sept 4 v Blackpool) after the same shit cost Town, no VAR to save us though. Yes but, that stirred the Gods into action to redress that error, keeping us safe from relegation and sending Blackpool down.. Sometimes you just have to 'believe' ....  |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 3, 2023 10:00:12 GMT 1
With the technology we have today a VAR ref could be anywhere in the world. So why not for example have Bundersliga ref doing the Premiership, Ligue1 doing Seria A, Seria A refs doing the Bundersliga etc. Because that’s not what the Chairmen of the top 6 clubs want to happen. I hadn’t realised, but is Mike Dean now a regular on Sky football Saturdays? It’s a shame when the Refs get as much press coverage as the football. All in the name of entertainment, you can forget football as we used to know it ever making a comeback. Still love Town, but the modern game is utterly shameless… |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 3, 2023 11:43:45 GMT 1
Bad news lads, he agrees with you 🤣
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Post by yappledapple on May 25, 2024 11:15:38 GMT 1
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Post by markthehorn on May 25, 2024 13:07:37 GMT 1
Probably missed a few but obviously everyone has had them but some were more vocal about it than others. |
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Post by bogart on May 25, 2024 13:58:18 GMT 1
It's PGMOL again...a closed shop of self aggrandising, self important dick heads... My what a wonderful word to use on here. Sums it up spot on though. |
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