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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 11, 2023 17:05:50 GMT 1
For a spell in the 70's its fair to say Scotland wwre the no.1 British side, they qualified for the 74 and 78 world cups whereas England missed out, didnt cover themselves in glory in either of those tournaments apart from the win against Holland in 78 but even that was too late. I agree. Despite having some superb players they were disappointing in these tournaments. Personally I loved watching the likes of Jordan, McQueen, Souness, McGrain, Masson, Ricoh, Willie Johnstone, McStay etc etc. Rioch. |
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Post by cappy on Sept 11, 2023 18:00:12 GMT 1
Friendly match or not, I hope we absolutely smash those bitter and twisted haggis munching morons.You have forgotten The Whisky swiggin’ - Tennents Lager by the gallon - Munchin’ a King sized Chippy with Fish slathered in Salt n’ Vinegar - Beer Bellied - Hairy Chested ‘Rab C’ - Dressed in Clan Tartan Kilt - Bagpipe playing Claymore Warrior - Tartan Army - Drinking and Smoking the pipe in front of The Peat Smoke Fire ! I meet most of that criteria to be honest... Absolutely hope that I’m indulging it the boozy bit tomorrow night celebrating a Scotland win, The Braveheart Heart says ‘aye, aye’ - Unfortunately the old Head says a hard fought England win by the odd goal either 2-3 or probably 1-2 ! |
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Post by cappy on Sept 11, 2023 18:03:01 GMT 1
You have forgotten The Whisky swiggin’ - Tennents Lager by the gallon - Munchin’ a King sized Chippy with Fish slathered in Salt n’ you Vinegar - Beer Bellied - yHairy Chested ‘Rab C’ - Dressed in Clan Tartan Kilt - Bagpipe playing Claymore Warrior - Tartan Army - Drinking and Smoking the pipe in front of The Peat Smoke Fire ! I meet most of that criteria to be honest... Absolutely hope that I’m indulging it the boozy bit tomorrow night celebrating a Scotland win, The Braveheart Heart says ‘aye, aye’ - Unfortunately the old Head says a hard fought England win by the odd goal either 2-3 or probably 1-2 ! you forgot fryed mars bar , ginger tartan skirt wearing red nosed.bastards😜 |
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Post by westislandterrier on Sept 11, 2023 18:17:56 GMT 1
you forgot fryed mars bar , ginger tartan skirt wearing red nosed.bastards😜 And the ‘See you Jimmy’ wigs ! 😉 🥃 |
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Post by westislandterrier on Sept 11, 2023 18:28:43 GMT 1
I'll be watching. A good test as to how far the Jocks have come under Steve Clark. Should be a good game and great atmosphere. When you think of the 80s team Scotland had, it's a disgrace how far they have fallen in terms of producing young talent, whereas credit our FA (despite their obvious shortcomings) for laying the foundations for the 'pathway' / centre of excellence ete etc ... For a spell in the 70's its fair to say Scotland wwre the no.1 British side, they qualified for the 74 and 78 world cups whereas England missed out, didnt cover themselves in glory in either of those tournaments apart from the win against Holland in 78 but even that was too late. Also qualified for The World Cup finals in 1982,1986 & 1990 (Five in a row) at the finals Sab - Oh for those heyday days once again ! 😉 In a strange quirk of fate, during those glory qualifying days, we always failed big time to get to The European Championship Finals and now it’s the other way round (we got to Euro 2020 - 21’ delayed due to pandemic) - we’re on course for Germany 2024 (But not there just yet) and we never get to The World Cup Finals these days at all... Just typical Scotland - And even if we get there we’ll just be glorious failures and no doubt go out on the heartbreak of goal difference anyway as per usual ! ☹️ |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2023 18:32:34 GMT 1
My favourite England v Scotland fixture(s). Euro 2000 qualifying. Scholes gets two in a 2-0 win at Hampden. Second leg - Scotland get themselves a 1-0 win....but it's not enough. They'll have gone home happy, bless their cotton socks - probably with bits of the Wembley turf - but still missing out on a major tournament. Again. It was almost as if we were trolling them.  (Again - sorry, Westie!) |
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Post by cappy on Sept 11, 2023 18:58:52 GMT 1
you forgot fryed mars bar , ginger tartan skirt wearing red nosed.bastards😜 And the ‘See you Jimmy’ wigs ! 😉 🥃 funny you should say that.my old boss had one in his draw a work,he would put it on when someone new started,he thought he was funny ,he was the only one laughing 🤣 🥴 |
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Post by Marshleeds on Sept 11, 2023 19:02:49 GMT 1
Should be quite an interesting match and a good watch considering England’s tepid performance v Ukraine and Scotland’s virtual qualification confirmed after their 3-0 win v Cyprus.
Have voted England win as the amount of talent available is quite outstanding but possibly being steered by the wrong manager in Gareth Southgate - too negative in my and many others eyes with the wealth of attacking talent available right now.
Suspect this result despite it being just a friendly may be significant for Southgate’s future. We shall see.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 11, 2023 19:05:37 GMT 1
Great reminiscing about the Auld Enemy clashes.
In the days when International Caps were not dished out so easily.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 11, 2023 20:55:01 GMT 1
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Post by onesteviekindon on Sept 11, 2023 21:06:45 GMT 1
Friendly match or not, I hope we absolutely smash those bitter and twisted haggis munching morons.You have forgotten The Whisky swiggin’ - Tennents Lager by the gallon - Munchin’ a King sized Chippy with Fish slathered in Salt n’ Vinegar - Beer Bellied - Hairy Chested ‘Rab C’ - Dressed in Clan Tartan Kilt - Bagpipe playing Claymore Warrior - Tartan Army - Drinking and Smoking the pipe in front of The Peat Smoke Fire ! I meet most of that criteria to be honest... Absolutely hope that I’m indulging it the boozy bit tomorrow night celebrating a Scotland win, The Braveheart Heart says ‘aye, aye’ - Unfortunately the old Head says a hard fought England win by the odd goal either 2-3 or probably 1-2 ! No offense intended mate, but I'm an Englishman who has been living north of the border for 23 years. It seems to me that the typical Scottish football fan would rather see England lose than see Scotland win. Examples were the sheer nationwide delight when we lost the euro final and the world semi final. Even the women when they lost to the Spanish. Pity your own team can never give you something to cheer about. Maybe tomorrow, but probably not. |
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Sept 11, 2023 22:34:07 GMT 1
You have forgotten The Whisky swiggin’ - Tennents Lager by the gallon - Munchin’ a King sized Chippy with Fish slathered in Salt n’ Vinegar - Beer Bellied - Hairy Chested ‘Rab C’ - Dressed in Clan Tartan Kilt - Bagpipe playing Claymore Warrior - Tartan Army - Drinking and Smoking the pipe in front of The Peat Smoke Fire ! I meet most of that criteria to be honest... Absolutely hope that I’m indulging it the boozy bit tomorrow night celebrating a Scotland win, The Braveheart Heart says ‘aye, aye’ - Unfortunately the old Head says a hard fought England win by the odd goal either 2-3 or probably 1-2 ! No offense intended mate, but I'm an Englishman who has been living north of the border for 23 years. It seems to me that the typical Scottish football fan would rather see England lose than see Scotland win. Examples were the sheer nationwide delight when we lost the euro final and the world semi final. Even the women when they lost to the Spanish. Pity your own team can never give you something to cheer about. Maybe tomorrow, but probably not. Just like the Taff's who wear their "anyone but England " t shirts. Cringy |
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Post by westislandterrier on Sept 11, 2023 22:58:51 GMT 1
You have forgotten The Whisky swiggin’ - Tennents Lager by the gallon - Munchin’ a King sized Chippy with Fish slathered in Salt n’ Vinegar - Beer Bellied - Hairy Chested ‘Rab C’ - Dressed in Clan Tartan Kilt - Bagpipe playing Claymore Warrior - Tartan Army - Drinking and Smoking the pipe in front of The Peat Smoke Fire ! I meet most of that criteria to be honest... Absolutely hope that I’m indulging it the boozy bit tomorrow night celebrating a Scotland win, The Braveheart Heart says ‘aye, aye’ - Unfortunately the old Head says a hard fought England win by the odd goal either 2-3 or probably 1-2 ! No offense intended mate, but I'm an Englishman who has been living north of the border for 23 years. It seems to me that the typical Scottish football fan would rather see England lose than see Scotland win. Examples were the sheer nationwide delight when we lost the euro final and the world semi final. Even the women when they lost to the Spanish. Pity your own team can never give you something to cheer about. Maybe tomorrow, but probably not. Aye it seems to be a football thing onestevie... A lot of people from England have relocated to The Whisky Isle from down south to make their forever home here and are openly welcomed, but will still face a hostile time in the pubs tomorrow night over the footy - not in a nasty personal way, but it will be made clear that England has to lose... And aye it did seem to be the case that most did want England beaten at all levels of football wheather Scotland were in the competition or not - Strange in a way as a lot appreciated (if sometimes quietly) great English sportsmen like, Davis, Bristow, Mansell et al when in their prime although that would of course go down the drain if Hendry, Wilson and Couldhart were competing against them ! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 8:26:23 GMT 1
Should be quite an interesting match and a good watch considering England’s tepid performance v Ukraine and Scotland’s virtual qualification confirmed after their 3-0 win v Cyprus. Have voted England win as the amount of talent available is quite outstanding but possibly being steered by the wrong manager in Gareth Southgate - too negative in my and many others eyes with the wealth of attacking talent available right now. Suspect this result despite it being just a friendly may be significant for Southgate’s future. We shall see. Despite some of Southgate's obvious shortcomings, in this day and age of the elite manager, who, I ask, would be a genuine contender for the role and could they continue to get the 'buy in' to Team England that has been the mainstay of Southgate's 'success' as the National Manager. |
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Post by foxtrot666 on Sept 12, 2023 9:27:00 GMT 1
No such thing as an England V Scotland friendly, the jocks have improved but how many of their team would get in ours ? None. Should be a comfortable win 2-0 to us.
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Post by irverino on Sept 12, 2023 9:41:43 GMT 1
Half Yorkshire, half Scottish (old man was a Shetlander), so a foot in each camp & watched/supported both over the years. If Norway draw tonight I don't think a single Jock will give a flying feck about the score at Hampden.....1st team to book a place to Germany will see plenty of celebrating in the bars
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Post by ram on Sept 12, 2023 10:09:24 GMT 1
If only Town could find a Richard Gough or Colin Hendry.The 2 best defenders I have seen. { after McEvoy Quested and McGarry}
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Post by markthehorn on Sept 12, 2023 10:58:50 GMT 1
Should be quite an interesting match and a good watch considering England’s tepid performance v Ukraine and Scotland’s virtual qualification confirmed after their 3-0 win v Cyprus. Have voted England win as the amount of talent available is quite outstanding but possibly being steered by the wrong manager in Gareth Southgate - too negative in my and many others eyes with the wealth of attacking talent available right now. Suspect this result despite it being just a friendly may be significant for Southgate’s future. We shall see. Despite some of Southgate's obvious shortcomings, in this day and age of the elite manager, who, I ask, would be a genuine contender for the role and could they continue to get the 'buy in' to Team England that has been the mainstay of Southgate's 'success' as the National Manager. That is definitely his best trait. Get a squad of players who respect him and each other ( Ben White apart ) Maybe could be better tactically yes and more pro active but then we have said that about England for decades ! I mean it’s not like Southgate’s predecessors were highly popular and full of attacking intent and great fun with the media. |
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Post by Marshleeds on Sept 12, 2023 11:00:18 GMT 1
Should be quite an interesting match and a good watch considering England’s tepid performance v Ukraine and Scotland’s virtual qualification confirmed after their 3-0 win v Cyprus. Have voted England win as the amount of talent available is quite outstanding but possibly being steered by the wrong manager in Gareth Southgate - too negative in my and many others eyes with the wealth of attacking talent available right now. Suspect this result despite it being just a friendly may be significant for Southgate’s future. We shall see. Despite some of Southgate's obvious shortcomings, in this day and age of the elite manager, who, I ask, would be a genuine contender for the role and could they continue to get the 'buy in' to Team England that has been the mainstay of Southgate's 'success' as the National Manager. Been thinking about this and take your point. Not meaning to deride Gareth Southgate out of hand as he has been a relatively successful manager albeit without any trophies. Possibly Eddie Howe or even Jurgen Klopp if they could be persuaded to move from Club to Country Management? This talented golden generation of players doesn’t come round too often e.g. Foden, Kane, Rashford, Saka et al and feel this crop are more than capable of winning a Euro or even seriously challenging for a World Cup within the next few years. Just believe a more attack minded and positive steer may be better suited to these excellent prospects. |
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Post by markthehorn on Sept 12, 2023 11:06:50 GMT 1
Howe or Potter if he isn’t damaged by the Chelsea’s experience must be most likely options for replacements.
FA might want an overseas manager but think the media will put them off - particularly a German like Klopp.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 11:37:45 GMT 1
Despite some of Southgate's obvious shortcomings, in this day and age of the elite manager, who, I ask, would be a genuine contender for the role and could they continue to get the 'buy in' to Team England that has been the mainstay of Southgate's 'success' as the National Manager. Been thinking about this and take your point. Not meaning to deride Gareth Southgate out of hand as he has been a relatively successful manager albeit without any trophies. Possibly Eddie Howe or even Jurgen Klopp if they could be persuaded to move from Club to Country Management? This talented golden generation of players doesn’t come round too often e.g. Foden, Kane, Rashford, Saka et al and feel this crop are more than capable of winning a Euro or even seriously challenging for a World Cup within the next few years. Just believe a more attack minded and positive steer may be better suited to these excellent prospects. I think it's fair to say elite managers like Klopp and Howe (arguably he's now joined that circle) do not work as international managers these days. The FA would not stump up the kind of money these guys get at club level, nor do the coaches like the lack of day to day involvement with the teams. Bit of a conundrum really - right here, right now, I don't think there's anybody available who you could say for sure would improve England. Potter possibly, but is his man management as good ? |
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Post by Marshleeds on Sept 12, 2023 12:44:19 GMT 1
Been thinking about this and take your point. Not meaning to deride Gareth Southgate out of hand as he has been a relatively successful manager albeit without any trophies. Possibly Eddie Howe or even Jurgen Klopp if they could be persuaded to move from Club to Country Management? This talented golden generation of players doesn’t come round too often e.g. Foden, Kane, Rashford, Saka et al and feel this crop are more than capable of winning a Euro or even seriously challenging for a World Cup within the next few years. Just believe a more attack minded and positive steer may be better suited to these excellent prospects. I think it's fair to say elite managers like Klopp and Howe (arguably he's now joined that circle) do not work as international managers these days. The FA would not stump up the kind of money these guys get at club level, nor do the coaches like the lack of day to day involvement with the teams. Bit of a conundrum really - right here, right now, I don't think there's anybody available who you could say for sure would improve England. Potter possibly, but is his man management as good ? Meant to put Potter as an option too arguably the clearest choice as he is currently not Club connected. |
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Post by softboy on Sept 12, 2023 13:03:13 GMT 1
I try to be a England fan despite Southgate. I know we will qualify for the Euro finals and I know we will fail. As for this friendly, that’s all it is, a friendly. Please Mr Southgate it’s a chance to give some other players a go. A chance to try things out in a game that has no relevance in the long term. If we win we win, if we loose we loose, the actual result does not matter at all
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Post by Jimuano on Sept 12, 2023 13:21:46 GMT 1
I try to be a England fan despite Southgate. I know we will qualify for the Euro finals and I know we will fail. As for this friendly, that’s all it is, a friendly. Please Mr Southgate it’s a chance to give some other players a go. A chance to try things out in a game that has no relevance in the long term. If we win we win, if we loose we loose, the actual result does not matter at all I think if we lose tonight a lot more England fans will be calling for Southgate's head, regardless of team tinkering. |
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Post by bluesandtwos on Sept 12, 2023 13:28:14 GMT 1
I try to be a England fan despite Southgate. I know we will qualify for the Euro finals and I know we will fail. As for this friendly, that’s all it is, a friendly. Please Mr Southgate it’s a chance to give some other players a go. A chance to try things out in a game that has no relevance in the long term. If we win we win, if we loose we loose, the actual result does not matter at all It always matters who wins in these games. As has been said, there is no such thing as a friendly between Scotland & England. |
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Post by markthehorn on Sept 12, 2023 14:03:13 GMT 1
I try to be a England fan despite Southgate. I know we will qualify for the Euro finals and I know we will fail. As for this friendly, that’s all it is, a friendly. Please Mr Southgate it’s a chance to give some other players a go. A chance to try things out in a game that has no relevance in the long term. If we win we win, if we loose we loose, the actual result does not matter at all I think if we lose tonight a lot more England fans will be calling for Southgate's head, regardless of team tinkering. Agree . Anything but a good win will not be acceptable. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 12, 2023 14:29:46 GMT 1
England manager Gareth Southgate has questioned Phil Foden's eagerness to play in central midfield.
The Manchester City player said in March it was a position he wanted "to move into over the next few years" and has "always seen myself playing there".
Foden, 23, has been utilised in a wide role by City boss Pep Guardiola, which has influenced Southgate's gameplan.
He doesn't [play centrally] for his club, so presumably there's a reason for that," said the Three Lions boss.
So the bloke who picks players that their club managers won't play at all won't pick his most talented player in midfield cos his manager doesn't play him there 🤔
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Sept 12, 2023 14:30:41 GMT 1
Despite some of Southgate's obvious shortcomings, in this day and age of the elite manager, who, I ask, would be a genuine contender for the role and could they continue to get the 'buy in' to Team England that has been the mainstay of Southgate's 'success' as the National Manager. That is definitely his best trait. Get a squad of players who respect him and each other ( Ben White apart ) Maybe could be better tactically yes and more pro active but then we have said that about England for decades ! I mean it’s not like Southgate’s predecessors were highly popular and full of attacking intent and great fun with the media. What's this bit about, Mark, I must have missed it? |
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Post by markthehorn on Sept 12, 2023 15:18:16 GMT 1
That is definitely his best trait. Get a squad of players who respect him and each other ( Ben White apart ) Maybe could be better tactically yes and more pro active but then we have said that about England for decades ! I mean it’s not like Southgate’s predecessors were highly popular and full of attacking intent and great fun with the media. What's this bit about, Mark, I must have missed it? Allegedly White left the World Cup squad after a falling out and not been picked since I think. Maddison and Foden both have had discipline issues (Grealish too ) in the past which maybe has affected their chances but yes guess if you are in the squad now ought to be use more when we need to be more attacking . |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 15:42:25 GMT 1
I think it's fair to say elite managers like Klopp and Howe (arguably he's now joined that circle) do not work as international managers these days. The FA would not stump up the kind of money these guys get at club level, nor do the coaches like the lack of day to day involvement with the teams. Bit of a conundrum really - right here, right now, I don't think there's anybody available who you could say for sure would improve England. Potter possibly, but is his man management as good ? Meant to put Potter as an option too arguably the clearest choice as he is currently not Club connected. I'd be more than happy with Potter. I'm a million miles away from being a tub-thumping nationalist, but I'd prefer someone English in charge of the national team if there's someone of a decent enough standard. (Much as I'm seriously impressed with Sarina Wiegman, mind) |
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