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Post by castlehillterrier on May 3, 2024 12:19:39 GMT 1
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Post by ldr on May 3, 2024 12:21:00 GMT 1
Ha good one, I should have said not in the English league.... try further North. He would get ragged rotten in Scottish football. What it lacks in quality, it makes up for it in physicality. |
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Post by griffa on May 3, 2024 12:31:01 GMT 1
The penny's just dropped with me, the reason for our relegation is Sorba Thomas!
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on May 3, 2024 13:13:56 GMT 1
Ha good one, I should have said not in the English league.... try further North. he will love it playing for caley thistle . Nothing on the Lossiemouth FC web site, yet😂😂 We are looking for a new manager though! |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 3, 2024 13:21:44 GMT 1
he will love it playing for caley thistle . Nothing on the Lossiemouth FC web site, yet😂😂 We are looking for a new manager though! Send a note to Neil, he might fancy having another crack in Scotland… 😉 |
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Post by castlehillterrier on May 3, 2024 13:26:57 GMT 1
The penny's just dropped with me, the reason for our relegation is Sorba Thomas! it is not Sorbas fault he and many others have been allowed to act like they have, it’s really not their fault it that of the manager that has started this off. By the way I think Sorba has been one of our better performers most of this season but it is a low bar. We were so unprofessional from the moment NW walked into the door, he was great at first as he gave the players time off and let them feel loved and relaxed this was great as it galvanised them and was the exact opposite to what we had before, unfortunately the summer nothing changed and we were too casual with no rules, no discipline and this has continued all season. The players have got away with too much for too long, a clear set of rules and knowing what is expected of them needs to be set out this summer. These are highly paid professionals and they need to act like it has been like a bit of fun to many of them. Anyone who does not accept the new “code of conduct” can leave the club. I am quite sure if someone had installed discipline and fitness to this group in preseason we would have seen better performances and better results. All players should be expected to train for a set amount of time per day and be in the club early until late, all players should know fully what is expected from them and be told before even signing on. If the rules are set out in advance and the performances / results improve the majority will accept this and actually begin to embrace it, the manager would give them time off and so called treats now and again if the results are good these little bonuses then have a much better effect than just making it the norm no matter how you perform in your job. It’s a culture that needs changing, its not easy but it is possible, get a few more with the right character and others will follow. I am very much saying its NWs fault here and although I do think he has a massive part to play, so do many others including Mr Nagle for employing him in the summer, no one person is to blame it’s a combination of people and everything needs to improve to get us back to where we want to be. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on May 3, 2024 13:53:50 GMT 1
A player in there somewhere but for a winger his goal contribution is absolutely woeful, this team unfortunately is lacking in goal scorers a midfield and strike force that gets outscored by its defence and that is quite simply the main reason for relegation .
TOOTHLESS IN MIDFIELD AND UPFRONT. the lot of em.
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Post by mosher on May 3, 2024 13:54:12 GMT 1
What is the registration number - D1K H3AD? PEN 15 Why? We don't get pens? Oh, I see what you did there  |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 3, 2024 14:42:56 GMT 1
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Post by bells ringing :) on May 3, 2024 14:49:26 GMT 1
the team under CC, that finished 3rd covered for Sorba's many flaws, since then we just simply haven't had the players to cover up his flaws. He can put a decent set play in, but that is also dependent on those attacking it also. I have seen far better players than Sorba play for us, who got nowhere near as much credit or lenientcey from fans. The work hard comment is strange, he runs around a lot, but his tracking back is shocking and then points while his man runs past him. He gets back, but never stops a cross . His going forward play is one dimentional at best, run a few strides and cross. When he tries to take someone on he 9/10 fails - If you take the set plays out his game is very limited. He has the attiude/ ego of a top premier league star , yet has never really backed it up. He also in interviews made major statments , yet never backed it up consistantly. If Sorba is to go to where he thinks he should be, he has major work to his game. |
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Post by duncfost01 on May 3, 2024 15:01:49 GMT 1
Very average player.
Too many flaws in his game. Barely scores. Can’t shoot. Can’t pass. Dreadful at tracking back.
Very good at crossing.
Hopefully some DOF somewhere just looks at his stats and spunks 10 million on him….
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Post by bentley316 on May 3, 2024 15:07:01 GMT 1
I remember after he was signed in the first Carlos season reading he was one of the players that stayed late watching warm ups, talking to coaches and generally being involved with the squad even if he wasnt starting games.
Play off season i read similar and he was excellent in the role he was given. So much so he went to the World Cup.
Last season he wasnt at his best after playing a lot in his first full season. Something mustve been a miss because he went on loan and stopped getting national call ups. Was that to free up wages/space or because he was a bad apple? I dont know.
This season on the pitch he has been one of our better players. Darren Moore even spoke out that he was a player the younger lads could look up to and a bit of a role model. But on the pitch there has visibly been a bit more attitude. Sulking, shouting at team mates and bookings for discent.
Objectively, on the pitch he's had more goal/assists than anyone else in the last 3 seasons. Off the pitch we dont know but unsuprisingly he looked much happier in the play off season...but who didnt.
I think send him off with a handshake and thanks. His assists got us in the play off final, his performances this year arent what got us relegated.
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Post by Amigo on May 3, 2024 15:17:58 GMT 1
The penny's just dropped with me, the reason for our relegation is Sorba Thomas! it is not Sorbas fault he and many others have been allowed to act like they have, it’s really not their fault it that of the manager that has started this off. By the way I think Sorba has been one of our better performers most of this season but it is a low bar. We were so unprofessional from the moment NW walked into the door, he was great at first as he gave the players time off and let them feel loved and relaxed this was great as it galvanised them and was the exact opposite to what we had before, unfortunately the summer nothing changed and we were too casual with no rules, no discipline and this has continued all season. The players have got away with too much for too long, a clear set of rules and knowing what is expected of them needs to be set out this summer. These are highly paid professionals and they need to act like it has been like a bit of fun to many of them. Anyone who does not accept the new “code of conduct” can leave the club. I am quite sure if someone had installed discipline and fitness to this group in preseason we would have seen better performances and better results. All players should be expected to train for a set amount of time per day and be in the club early until late, all players should know fully what is expected from them and be told before even signing on. If the rules are set out in advance and the performances / results improve the majority will accept this and actually begin to embrace it, the manager would give them time off and so called treats now and again if the results are good these little bonuses then have a much better effect than just making it the norm no matter how you perform in your job. It’s a culture that needs changing, its not easy but it is possible, get a few more with the right character and others will follow. I am very much saying its NWs fault here and although I do think he has a massive part to play, so do many others including Mr Nagle for employing him in the summer, no one person is to blame it’s a combination of people and everything needs to improve to get us back to where we want to be. Jesus christ, this would be true if we were talking about school kids. They're fucking grown ups though with a career, many have families to provide for, nobody should be telling them to be fit and have some personal pride. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 3, 2024 15:27:29 GMT 1
I remember after he was signed in the first Carlos season reading he was one of the players that stayed late watching warm ups, talking to coaches and generally being involved with the squad even if he wasnt starting games. Play off season i read similar and he was excellent in the role he was given. So much so he went to the World Cup. Last season he wasnt at his best after playing a lot in his first full season. Something mustve been a miss because he went on loan. Was that to free up wages/space or because he was a bad apple? I dont know. This season on the pitch he has been one of our better players. Darren Moore even spoke out that he was a player the younger lads could look up to and a bit of a role model. But on the pitch there has visibly been a bit more attitude. Sulking, shouting at team mates and bookings for discent. Objectively, on the pitch he's had more goal/assists than anyone else in the last 3 seasons. Off the pitch we dont know but unsuprisingly he looked much happier in the play off season...but who didnt. I think send him off with a handshake and thanks. His assists got us in the play off final, his performances this year arent what got us relegated. Under Corberan, 2 or 3 other players made up the work sorba should have been doing, it worked ok for us and that team and those tactics. Wherever he goes they will either do that again or they wont. If they dont he will be moved on again. When your one trick does not cut it or suit the team, you either change or you end up like he has this season. Wide player is obliged to track back and is then obliged to take active part in defending, he managed the first part better this season but failed again with the second. Wide player is obliged to run the full back, is obliged to come inside or outside, is obliged to get into the box with the ball on occasion. He does none of them. Not interested in his personality on or off the pitch, just find watching him play intensely annoying. |
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Post by boooothy on May 3, 2024 15:30:08 GMT 1
Right that’s Sorba done. Who can we blame next?
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Post by castlehillterrier on May 3, 2024 15:33:05 GMT 1
it is not Sorbas fault he and many others have been allowed to act like they have, it’s really not their fault it that of the manager that has started this off. By the way I think Sorba has been one of our better performers most of this season but it is a low bar. We were so unprofessional from the moment NW walked into the door, he was great at first as he gave the players time off and let them feel loved and relaxed this was great as it galvanised them and was the exact opposite to what we had before, unfortunately the summer nothing changed and we were too casual with no rules, no discipline and this has continued all season. The players have got away with too much for too long, a clear set of rules and knowing what is expected of them needs to be set out this summer. These are highly paid professionals and they need to act like it has been like a bit of fun to many of them. Anyone who does not accept the new “code of conduct” can leave the club. I am quite sure if someone had installed discipline and fitness to this group in preseason we would have seen better performances and better results. All players should be expected to train for a set amount of time per day and be in the club early until late, all players should know fully what is expected from them and be told before even signing on. If the rules are set out in advance and the performances / results improve the majority will accept this and actually begin to embrace it, the manager would give them time off and so called treats now and again if the results are good these little bonuses then have a much better effect than just making it the norm no matter how you perform in your job. It’s a culture that needs changing, its not easy but it is possible, get a few more with the right character and others will follow. I am very much saying its NWs fault here and although I do think he has a massive part to play, so do many others including Mr Nagle for employing him in the summer, no one person is to blame it’s a combination of people and everything needs to improve to get us back to where we want to be. Jesus christ, this would be true if we were talking about school kids. They're fucking grown ups though with a career, many have families to provide for, nobody should be telling them to be fit and have some personal pride. Some were actually more bothered about making sure they could pick there School kids up rather than training. Some do have personal pride some just do not and the only way to have the correct attitudes is by disapline and rules, we didnt have many but I am sure we will moving forward. |
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Post by delroy on May 3, 2024 16:03:41 GMT 1
it is not Sorbas fault he and many others have been allowed to act like they have, it’s really not their fault it that of the manager that has started this off. By the way I think Sorba has been one of our better performers most of this season but it is a low bar. We were so unprofessional from the moment NW walked into the door, he was great at first as he gave the players time off and let them feel loved and relaxed this was great as it galvanised them and was the exact opposite to what we had before, unfortunately the summer nothing changed and we were too casual with no rules, no discipline and this has continued all season. The players have got away with too much for too long, a clear set of rules and knowing what is expected of them needs to be set out this summer. These are highly paid professionals and they need to act like it has been like a bit of fun to many of them. Anyone who does not accept the new “code of conduct” can leave the club. I am quite sure if someone had installed discipline and fitness to this group in preseason we would have seen better performances and better results. All players should be expected to train for a set amount of time per day and be in the club early until late, all players should know fully what is expected from them and be told before even signing on. If the rules are set out in advance and the performances / results improve the majority will accept this and actually begin to embrace it, the manager would give them time off and so called treats now and again if the results are good these little bonuses then have a much better effect than just making it the norm no matter how you perform in your job. It’s a culture that needs changing, its not easy but it is possible, get a few more with the right character and others will follow. I am very much saying its NWs fault here and although I do think he has a massive part to play, so do many others including Mr Nagle for employing him in the summer, no one person is to blame it’s a combination of people and everything needs to improve to get us back to where we want to be. Jesus christ, this would be true if we were talking about school kids. They're fucking grown ups though with a career, many have families to provide for, nobody should be telling them to be fit and have some personal pride. You're right of course but they are professional footballers. This means that they have mostly been taken on board by a league club at a young age, 10 or less in most cases. From then on they have been told where to be, when to be there, what to wear, what to do, etc, etc. They will mainly have been praised, admired, well paid and generally cossetted. In short they haven't a clue about life unless they are really grounded. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on May 3, 2024 16:08:05 GMT 1
Had another bust up pre Birmingham with another experienced pro, it’s almost like the blokes a bit of a fucking cock?
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Post by bells ringing :) on May 3, 2024 16:09:59 GMT 1
Had another bust up pre Birmingham with another experienced pro, it’s almost like the blokes a bit of a fucking cock? Mate he has had a bust up with most of the squad at differing times, prior to him going out on loan Tom Lees wanted to knock him out and had to be held back. |
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Post by ldr on May 3, 2024 16:11:34 GMT 1
Right that’s Sorba done. Who can we blame next? I actually think he’s one of our better players but I’ve a problem with lads who snarl, argue and show petulance on the pitch. Especially when some of it is against team mates. At every level of football from about under 14’s upwards, you do that regularly and you end up getting sorted by a team mate or two. |
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Post by sabailand on May 3, 2024 16:13:04 GMT 1
It’s threads like this that make me realise I’m probably not conversing with folk my own age on here most of the time. We’ve had a shit season, we need scapegoats… Let’s hope we get some degree of success next season, string some wins together, otherwise this place will descend into a bloody playground..It does that intermittently already TMFA. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on May 3, 2024 16:13:28 GMT 1
Had another bust up pre Birmingham with another experienced pro, it’s almost like the blokes a bit of a fucking cock? Whether he was playing football or still laying bricks, he is that personality type who always thinks they know better than everyone else even when someone has 20+ years experience over him. It will never change, that's just the way he is. |
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Post by shawsie on May 3, 2024 16:15:14 GMT 1
The penny's just dropped with me, the reason for our relegation is Sorba Thomas! it is not Sorbas fault he and many others have been allowed to act like they have, it’s really not their fault it that of the manager that has started this off. By the way I think Sorba has been one of our better performers most of this season but it is a low bar. We were so unprofessional from the moment NW walked into the door, he was great at first as he gave the players time off and let them feel loved and relaxed this was great as it galvanised them and was the exact opposite to what we had before, unfortunately the summer nothing changed and we were too casual with no rules, no discipline and this has continued all season. The players have got away with too much for too long, a clear set of rules and knowing what is expected of them needs to be set out this summer. These are highly paid professionals and they need to act like it has been like a bit of fun to many of them. Anyone who does not accept the new “code of conduct” can leave the club. I am quite sure if someone had installed discipline and fitness to this group in preseason we would have seen better performances and better results. All players should be expected to train for a set amount of time per day and be in the club early until late, all players should know fully what is expected from them and be told before even signing on. If the rules are set out in advance and the performances / results improve the majority will accept this and actually begin to embrace it, the manager would give them time off and so called treats now and again if the results are good these little bonuses then have a much better effect than just making it the norm no matter how you perform in your job. It’s a culture that needs changing, its not easy but it is possible, get a few more with the right character and others will follow. I am very much saying its NWs fault here and although I do think he has a massive part to play, so do many others including Mr Nagle for employing him in the summer, no one person is to blame it’s a combination of people and everything needs to improve to get us back to where we want to be. NW has a way of doing things that's almost unique - but clearly it worked last year. The idiocy here was saying he's having another year with no intention of letting him see it out - and then appointing mgrs who we were all told play on the front foot without any players to do so cos we hadnt recruited players who could. NW had success sitting in and counterattacking with energy, pace and being direct. The decision making has been appalling really - i have no great love for AB based on what ive seen...............but hes worked with a squad patently unfit for purpose and clearly many heading for pastures new and all this after the DM debacle appointment. That makes it hugely difficult and you can see hes had enough. If he stays we have to back him.............if not then ffs do the due diligence right. Dont get a mgr in who plays this way or that way per se - get one who knows what he has, what he needs to improve and how he's going to do it. Big summer coming up. |
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Post by ldr on May 3, 2024 16:24:08 GMT 1
it is not Sorbas fault he and many others have been allowed to act like they have, it’s really not their fault it that of the manager that has started this off. By the way I think Sorba has been one of our better performers most of this season but it is a low bar. We were so unprofessional from the moment NW walked into the door, he was great at first as he gave the players time off and let them feel loved and relaxed this was great as it galvanised them and was the exact opposite to what we had before, unfortunately the summer nothing changed and we were too casual with no rules, no discipline and this has continued all season. The players have got away with too much for too long, a clear set of rules and knowing what is expected of them needs to be set out this summer. These are highly paid professionals and they need to act like it has been like a bit of fun to many of them. Anyone who does not accept the new “code of conduct” can leave the club. I am quite sure if someone had installed discipline and fitness to this group in preseason we would have seen better performances and better results. All players should be expected to train for a set amount of time per day and be in the club early until late, all players should know fully what is expected from them and be told before even signing on. If the rules are set out in advance and the performances / results improve the majority will accept this and actually begin to embrace it, the manager would give them time off and so called treats now and again if the results are good these little bonuses then have a much better effect than just making it the norm no matter how you perform in your job. It’s a culture that needs changing, its not easy but it is possible, get a few more with the right character and others will follow. I am very much saying its NWs fault here and although I do think he has a massive part to play, so do many others including Mr Nagle for employing him in the summer, no one person is to blame it’s a combination of people and everything needs to improve to get us back to where we want to be. NW has a way of doing things that's almost unique - but clearly it worked last year. The idiocy here was saying he's having another year with no intention of letting him see it out - and then appointing mgrs who we were all told play on the front foot without any players to do so cos we hadnt recruited players who could. NW had success sitting in and counterattacking with energy, pace and being direct. The decision making has been appalling really - i have no great love for AB based on what ive seen...............but hes worked with a squad patently unfit for purpose and clearly many heading for pastures new and all this after the DM debacle appointment. That makes it hugely difficult and you can see hes had enough. If he stays we have to back him.............if not then ffs do the due diligence right. Dont get a mgr in who plays this way or that way per se - get one who knows what he has, what he needs to improve and how he's going to do it. Big summer coming up. I think we need a period of joined up thinking rather than reactionary decision making. As you say, some of what has happened borders on the idiotic. Maybe, just maybe, this relegation will focus minds on strategic decision making rather than constant fire fighting. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on May 3, 2024 16:25:15 GMT 1
it is not Sorbas fault he and many others have been allowed to act like they have, it’s really not their fault it that of the manager that has started this off. By the way I think Sorba has been one of our better performers most of this season but it is a low bar. We were so unprofessional from the moment NW walked into the door, he was great at first as he gave the players time off and let them feel loved and relaxed this was great as it galvanised them and was the exact opposite to what we had before, unfortunately the summer nothing changed and we were too casual with no rules, no discipline and this has continued all season. The players have got away with too much for too long, a clear set of rules and knowing what is expected of them needs to be set out this summer. These are highly paid professionals and they need to act like it has been like a bit of fun to many of them. Anyone who does not accept the new “code of conduct” can leave the club. I am quite sure if someone had installed discipline and fitness to this group in preseason we would have seen better performances and better results. All players should be expected to train for a set amount of time per day and be in the club early until late, all players should know fully what is expected from them and be told before even signing on. If the rules are set out in advance and the performances / results improve the majority will accept this and actually begin to embrace it, the manager would give them time off and so called treats now and again if the results are good these little bonuses then have a much better effect than just making it the norm no matter how you perform in your job. It’s a culture that needs changing, its not easy but it is possible, get a few more with the right character and others will follow. I am very much saying its NWs fault here and although I do think he has a massive part to play, so do many others including Mr Nagle for employing him in the summer, no one person is to blame it’s a combination of people and everything needs to improve to get us back to where we want to be. NW has a way of doing things that's almost unique - but clearly it worked last year. The idiocy here was saying he's having another year with no intention of letting him see it out - and then appointing mgrs who we were all told play on the front foot without any players to do so cos we hadnt recruited players who could. NW had success sitting in and counterattacking with energy, pace and being direct. The decision making has been appalling really - i have no great love for AB based on what ive seen...............but hes worked with a squad patently unfit for purpose and clearly many heading for pastures new and all this after the DM debacle appointment. That makes it hugely difficult and you can see hes had enough. If he stays we have to back him.............if not then ffs do the due diligence right. Dont get a mgr in who plays this way or that way per se - get one who knows what he has, what he needs to improve and how he's going to do it. Big summer coming up. Warnock was extremely lucky in some of our wins, luck which has completely evaded AB. People will say you make your own luck but I think that's bollocks. We won at Millwall with 4 shots to their 18 and 30% of the ball We scored 4 against Boro with 5 shots on target and 24% of the ball. It was like everything we hit went in during that second half. We've created better chances of late and not taken them. Scored 3 at Watford from 4 shots on target and 25% of the ball Scored 2 against Blackburn from 2 shots on target and 19% of the ball That run of 4 games returned 10 points and effectively kept us up. Teams had chances to bury us like Southampton, Preston, West Brom etc have done this season but they fluffed them. I guess the point I'm making is this team has been absolute shite for 2 seasons, it just got a bit luckier last season |
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Post by griffa on May 3, 2024 18:00:39 GMT 1
NW has a way of doing things that's almost unique - but clearly it worked last year. The idiocy here was saying he's having another year with no intention of letting him see it out - and then appointing mgrs who we were all told play on the front foot without any players to do so cos we hadnt recruited players who could. NW had success sitting in and counterattacking with energy, pace and being direct. The decision making has been appalling really - i have no great love for AB based on what ive seen...............but hes worked with a squad patently unfit for purpose and clearly many heading for pastures new and all this after the DM debacle appointment. That makes it hugely difficult and you can see hes had enough. If he stays we have to back him.............if not then ffs do the due diligence right. Dont get a mgr in who plays this way or that way per se - get one who knows what he has, what he needs to improve and how he's going to do it. Big summer coming up. Warnock was extremely lucky in some of our wins, luck which has completely evaded AB. People will say you make your own luck but I think that's bollocks. We won at Millwall with 4 shots to their 18 and 30% of the ball We scored 4 against Boro with 5 shots on target and 24% of the ball. It was like everything we hit went in during that second half. We've created better chances of late and not taken them. Scored 3 at Watford from 4 shots on target and 25% of the ball Scored 2 against Blackburn from 2 shots on target and 19% of the ball That run of 4 games returned 10 points and effectively kept us up. Teams had chances to bury us like Southampton, Preston, West Brom etc have done this season but they fluffed them. I guess the point I'm making is this team has been absolute shite for 2 seasons, it just got a bit luckier last season Napoleon allegedly stated " Give me Lucky Generals," Andre Breitenreiter is clearly not a lucky General, give me Neil Warnock every time. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 3, 2024 19:00:48 GMT 1
All moot now, but it would have been interesting at Bristol C and Warnock had been on the touchline. Would we have even got to the 10th min of injury time with him chirping into the 4th officials ear all game?
Anyway, as Shawsie finished off his post, a big summer ahead.
Let’s hope we get this one right for a change. 🤞
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Post by wackynahki on May 3, 2024 20:08:10 GMT 1
No diarra, Sorba, Burgzorg, Headley at team hotel.
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Post by smax on May 3, 2024 20:31:15 GMT 1
No diarra, Sorba, Burgzorg, Headley at team hotel. They’ve just gone out for a few pints. Don’t worry they’ll be back when the nightclub shuts. |
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Post by sabailand on May 3, 2024 20:39:59 GMT 1
No diarra, Sorba, Burgzorg, Headley at team hotel. They’ve just gone out for a few pints. Don’t worry they’ll be back when the nightclub shuts. The team has certainly being playing like they go clubbing on the eve of games this season. |
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