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Post by tinrope on Dec 20, 2023 22:48:38 GMT 1
Easy to take the moral high ground when you aren’t in that situation. It’s not worked out bad for them clubs I would rather support my local club, than support a club that has bought success. I am convinced KN and his team will invest and take us forward but I am also sure everything will be done in a correct and sustainable way. The club is in good hands you just cant do everything in the first few months, they will get things wrong, they will get things right they are learning also but the intentions will be for the long term good of HTAFC. Some tough descions have to be taken like the removal of NW but again this was for the good of HTAFC despite it being so unpopular with the fans. I think Darren would be judged very different if he had not followed NW, unfortunatly many don't consider what a rough time we have had with injuries and squad depth. Many people are just upset not because its Darren Moore but because it is not Neil Warnock, Darren will be given more time and is fully supported at this time as luckly the people running the club are not the blinkered fans that are not considering the full picture. What needs to be remembered is KN is a new owner, and as a new owner everything is looked at much closer especially in the first year. It is so tricky this one, I really believe what kennyk2 is saying and that DM will be given until middle to late February to have chance to have a squad he is happier with and this is 100% what i have been told. I do wonder if this plan might change however especially with such odd team selections and performances, the fans could have a big say in this and the new ownership / management team may start to feel the pressure to make a change sooner. I am sure discussions with KN, MC & JE have taken place regarding the future of DM and if the continue to back Darren in January or move on sooner. For sure they are all aware of the current feeling around the club and they can also see the performances on the pitch, Mr Nagle comes accross as someone very loyal and someone that would try his best to make it work with the current manager I am just not sure even Kevin can keep wathcing the performances like last night and not act. Do I want the club to get rid now, after last night I really do I think we have found a nice guy and someone who interviewed well but unfotuanlty seems a little clueless when it comes to match days, time to move on and try and reinvigorate our season. Do I think the above will happen, yesterday I would have said 100% not at this time, today I am thinking its still 75% chance that DM will still be here come end of January but I now have some doubt in my mind and I believe we will already be sounding out possible replacements in the background as it is really looking like this is not working out. Getting the full fan base to be behind the clubs choices is something that KN can still acieve with some brave moves, but the longer this goes on then the more difficult it will be to get this support back, I think we need to act fast, admit it hasnt worked out and be strong enough to make the call in the next 48hours IMHO. You were judging him very differently only a week ago. Bit odd of you to criticise others for doing the same now (a 1-1 draw with Millwall later) - claim they're not aware of injuries/lack of squad depth etc. When did you become re-enlightened? |
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Post by King Neil on Dec 20, 2023 22:49:38 GMT 1
The owner clearly said town fans deserve better...so why have we been given worse??
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Post by castlehillterrier on Dec 20, 2023 22:51:43 GMT 1
I would rather support my local club, than support a club that has bought success. I am convinced KN and his team will invest and take us forward but I am also sure everything will be done in a correct and sustainable way. The club is in good hands you just cant do everything in the first few months, they will get things wrong, they will get things right they are learning also but the intentions will be for the long term good of HTAFC. Some tough descions have to be taken like the removal of NW but again this was for the good of HTAFC despite it being so unpopular with the fans. I think Darren would be judged very different if he had not followed NW, unfortunatly many don't consider what a rough time we have had with injuries and squad depth. Many people are just upset not because its Darren Moore but because it is not Neil Warnock, Darren will be given more time and is fully supported at this time as luckly the people running the club are not the blinkered fans that are not considering the full picture. What needs to be remembered is KN is a new owner, and as a new owner everything is looked at much closer especially in the first year. It is so tricky this one, I really believe what kennyk2 is saying and that DM will be given until middle to late February to have chance to have a squad he is happier with and this is 100% what i have been told. I do wonder if this plan might change however especially with such odd team selections and performances, the fans could have a big say in this and the new ownership / management team may start to feel the pressure to make a change sooner. I am sure discussions with KN, MC & JE have taken place regarding the future of DM and if the continue to back Darren in January or move on sooner. For sure they are all aware of the current feeling around the club and they can also see the performances on the pitch, Mr Nagle comes accross as someone very loyal and someone that would try his best to make it work with the current manager I am just not sure even Kevin can keep wathcing the performances like last night and not act. Do I want the club to get rid now, after last night I really do I think we have found a nice guy and someone who interviewed well but unfotuanlty seems a little clueless when it comes to match days, time to move on and try and reinvigorate our season. Do I think the above will happen, yesterday I would have said 100% not at this time, today I am thinking its still 75% chance that DM will still be here come end of January but I now have some doubt in my mind and I believe we will already be sounding out possible replacements in the background as it is really looking like this is not working out. Getting the full fan base to be behind the clubs choices is something that KN can still acieve with some brave moves, but the longer this goes on then the more difficult it will be to get this support back, I think we need to act fast, admit it hasnt worked out and be strong enough to make the call in the next 48hours IMHO. You were judging him very differently only a week ago. Bit odd of you to criticise others for doing the same now (a 1-1 draw with Millwall later) - claim they're not aware of injuries/lack of squad depth etc. When did you become re-enlightened? my reaction to an awful stream watching the Preston game. I am saying Darren will be given more time, I am not saying I would give him more time! |
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Post by tinrope on Dec 20, 2023 22:53:39 GMT 1
You're saying fans who want to get rid of him are blinkered, even though you think the same? I'm not following. castlehillterrier |
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Post by htfcterry on Dec 20, 2023 22:58:58 GMT 1
You were judging him very differently only a week ago. Bit odd of you to criticise others for doing the same now (a 1-1 draw with Millwall later) - claim they're not aware of injuries/lack of squad depth etc. When did you become re-enlightened? my reaction to an awful stream watching the Preston game. I am saying Darren will be given more time, I am not saying I would give him more time! You’ve just said the “blinkered fans” want DM out and then gone on to say you personally wouldn’t give him anytime? You clearly aren’t a fan and are driving some sort of agenda from the club. Why would a standard fan go to all the effort you do into defending the club when you don’t actually agree with what’s going on? 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Dec 20, 2023 23:00:00 GMT 1
My soul isn't for sale so yes, easy for me Could you argue we’ve already “sold our soul” to an American businessman, who for all we know could be treating this as his little train set? You have to wonder what attracts him to Huddersfield and also how it will end. I do indeed wonder and have said so but the man seems to have a soul. Time will tell |
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Post by htfcterry on Dec 20, 2023 23:07:28 GMT 1
Could you argue we’ve already “sold our soul” to an American businessman, who for all we know could be treating this as his little train set? You have to wonder what attracts him to Huddersfield and also how it will end. I do indeed wonder and have said so but the nan seems to have a soul. Time will tell What’s his Nan got to do with it? 😁 So, if we are to buy success now, KN invests and we win the league and become a top 10 PL team - you’ll walk away cos it’s not morally correct? We’ve already established there is potential we’ve sold our soul, we’re just waiting to see how it plays out? |
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Post by terrier10 on Dec 20, 2023 23:27:17 GMT 1
Easy to take the moral high ground when you aren’t in that situation. It’s not worked out bad for them clubs I would rather support my local club, than support a club that has bought success. I am convinced KN and his team will invest and take us forward but I am also sure everything will be done in a correct and sustainable way. The club is in good hands you just cant do everything in the first few months, they will get things wrong, they will get things right they are learning also but the intentions will be for the long term good of HTAFC. Some tough descions have to be taken like the removal of NW but again this was for the good of HTAFC despite it being so unpopular with the fans. I think Darren would be judged very different if he had not followed NW, unfortunatly many don't consider what a rough time we have had with injuries and squad depth. Many people are just upset not because its Darren Moore but because it is not Neil Warnock, Darren will be given more time and is fully supported at this time as luckly the people running the club are not the blinkered fans that are not considering the full picture. What needs to be remembered is KN is a new owner, and as a new owner everything is looked at much closer especially in the first year. I think Darren Moore would be judged very different if the football resembled actual football and gave people the desire to actually turn up to the matches. I’ll give you he was on a hiding to nothing following Neil Warnock, however, the bigger issue is the dire, turgid, anti-football that we have had to endure for the bulk of his time here so far. * His win record of 2 in 15 is appalling. * His 14 Points from 15 Games is appalling. * 13 Goals Scored in 15 games (only Sheff Weds with less) * 24 Goals Conceded in 15 games (6th most conceded) * 3 points closer to Bottom 3 than were after 7 games when he joined. Yes, we’ve had injuries but the constant rhetoric of “when we have everyone back…” - well, pretty much everyone is back and it’s still crap. Bigger picture - fans will get behind and allow time when they can see something is there. The harsh reality is watching men behind the ball, not being able to string 3 passes together and not showing off the ball is not going to motivate anyone to give up their time to attend. Again, yes, we have had injuries but is he basically drilling it into those available that all they are good for is sitting back and hoping for a 0-0 until the troops are back? Could see on paper why we brought him in based on his previous record. But from what I’ve seen on the grass, I’ll wish him well, thank him for his efforts but really hope he’s replaced sooner rather than later to give us a better chance of progressing. |
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Post by Ibiza Town on Dec 20, 2023 23:40:00 GMT 1
You were judging him very differently only a week ago. Bit odd of you to criticise others for doing the same now (a 1-1 draw with Millwall later) - claim they're not aware of injuries/lack of squad depth etc. When did you become re-enlightened? my reaction to an awful stream watching the Preston game. I am saying Darren will be given more time, I am not saying I would give him more time! Not really following the trail, but whoever said that DM is getting an unfair ride due to him coming after NW and his popularity is partly right, but missing the big picture I travel a ridiculous amount of miles to see as much Town as possible , and believe me , the quality of football took an enormous dip after NW, and that’s with the same squad. Anyone who’s been watching any kind of football for years will know that we are currently not only playing without a plan but we don’t seem to be working towards one Results were mixed under NW but we could see each game what was being tried, sometimes it worked, sometimes not At the moment we are grinding out points simply due to the efforts of the players but with no discernible plan Don’t let the fan  of NW confuse you, we are rudderless at the moment. Any improvement will be marginal |
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Post by runner76 on Dec 20, 2023 23:52:58 GMT 1
my reaction to an awful stream watching the Preston game. I am saying Darren will be given more time, I am not saying I would give him more time! Not really following the trail, but whoever said that DM is getting an unfair ride due to coming after NW and his popularity is partly right, but missing the big picture I travel a ridiculous amount of miles to see as much Town as possible , and believe me , the quality of football took an enormous dip after NW, and that’s with the same squad. Anyone who’s been watching any kind of football for years will know that we are currently not only playing without a plan but we don’t seem to be working towards one Results were mixed under NW but we could see each game what was being tried, sometimes it worked, sometimes not At the moment we are grinding out points simply due to the efforts of the players but with no discernible plan Don’t let the fan of NW confuse you, we are rudderless at the moment. Any improvement will be marginal Lucky it only needs to be a marginal improvement to keep us up….. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Dec 21, 2023 0:04:50 GMT 1
I do indeed wonder and have said so but the nan seems to have a soul. Time will tell What’s his Nan got to do with it? 😁 So, if we are to buy success now, KN invests and we win the league and become a top 10 PL team - you’ll walk away cos it’s not morally correct? We’ve already established there is potential we’ve sold our soul, we’re just waiting to see how it plays out? Oops! Fat finger post. I'm referring to the origin of the money behind those clubs and the flouting of rules |
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Post by irverino on Dec 21, 2023 1:48:26 GMT 1
Both executives and the rest of the clubs management don’t have a leg to stand on. Their naivety or their ignorance is no excuse. Even though I don’t work in the game, I as a football fan know that NW works his way and that’s that. He’s earned the right to do it his way or no way but the club had a choice and as you say, they then gave him a years contract (his staff two…!). Their shock to how he operates tells me that they aren’t fit to be in the positions they are and I’ve zero faith in them if they feel surprised and let down by NW being set in his ways. All that said, whilst I will and have given Moore chance, he wouldn’t have been my first pick. To replace Warnock I’d have gone for another Wagner/Carlos type from the continent. Totally agree with this. New ownership, ambition and vision to get us into the Premier league and stay there...and we bring in Darren Moore. The more you think about it the more bonkers it is. We needed a continental manager to bring in a new style and culture within the club, not a merry go round manager with an average record. Ralph Hasenhuttl? Too ambitious? Currently out of work......If we don't ask we will never know & why not? IF we are ambitious lets go for a proven big name. |
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Post by ram on Dec 21, 2023 11:41:18 GMT 1
I am mystified why this thread has been re-opened. The powers that be do not have the balls to admit their mistake.
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Post by ambryboy on Dec 21, 2023 11:54:39 GMT 1
I am mystified why this thread has been re-opened. The powers that be do not have the balls to admit their mistake. It gives us hope that they will and that we might soon appoint a manager who isn't content to try to draw their way to survival. |
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Post by 2ellandback on Dec 21, 2023 12:21:27 GMT 1
You're saying fans who want to get rid of him are blinkered, even though you think the same? I'm not following. castlehillterrier Covering all bases so he can continue to claim that he is in the know. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Dec 21, 2023 17:27:45 GMT 1
I am mystified why this thread has been re-opened. The powers that be do not have the balls to admit their mistake. Or are willing to give him time and better resources ? |
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Post by waggers on Dec 21, 2023 19:51:16 GMT 1
I am mystified why this thread has been re-opened. The powers that be do not have the balls to admit their mistake. Or are willing to give him time and better resources ? I think the next couple of games will provide the answer. A couple of performances like we've seen so far plus scorelines to boot and I don't think Nagle will gamble. And keeping Moore is a huge gamble. |
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Post by willo on Dec 21, 2023 20:16:53 GMT 1
Or are willing to give him time and better resources ? I think the next couple of games will provide the answer. A couple of performances like we've seen so far plus scorelines to boot and I don't think Nagle will gamble. And keeping Moore is a huge gamble. Agreed. I think all this giving Moore the transfer window + halfway into February will go out the window should we lose the next 2. |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Dec 21, 2023 20:26:00 GMT 1
The moment we hit the bottom three, possibly this weekend, Moore will be getting primed for the ejector seat. We’re an established Championship club and relegation would be a disaster.
The idea that it’s the fans to blame for Moore’s poor results and the team’s shocking performances under him is hilarious. PNE fans are pushing Ryan Lowe to the door and they are 8th. We could be a lot more demanding.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Dec 21, 2023 20:55:23 GMT 1
The moment we hit the bottom three, possibly this weekend, Moore will be getting primed for the ejector seat. We’re an established Championship club and relegation would be a disaster. The idea that it’s the fans to blame for Moore’s poor results and the team’s shocking performances under him is hilarious. PNE fans are pushing Ryan Lowe to the door and they are 8th. We could be a lot more demanding. Maybe we can swap Lowe for Moore? He at least seems to have a clue what he is doing. If PNE fans don't like Lowe , they will love Moore. |
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Post by JG Mellor on Dec 21, 2023 22:40:47 GMT 1
Yeah what a nightmare their fans are having right now. Newcastle just reaching the Champions league for the first time in nearly 20 years and Man City and Chelsea have recently won multiple PL, FA Cups, Champions League & League Cup trophies. You can hear them all moaning about the ethics though 🤨. Come on Pete get real. You wouldn’t turn your back and walk away at the success this kind of money brings, however it came about. You’d be right to thrive off it too, just like their fans do. Wow! So you'd sell your soul at any price for football success? I am real and grateful to be so I've watched Town since the late 60s. My advice to any young football fan is support a successful team. If you don't, this forum is where you will spend your days. It's fucking dire. Choose life. UTMT |
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Post by prepare on Dec 22, 2023 14:36:34 GMT 1
Wow! So you'd sell your soul at any price for football success? I am real and grateful to be so I've watched Town since the late 60s. My advice to any young football fan is support a successful team. If you don't, this forum is where you will spend your days. It's fucking dire. Choose life. UTMT you mean jump on the band wagon!!? There not fans there non football people and as false as politicians |
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of NW confuse you, we are rudderless at the moment. Any improvement will be marginal 
