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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 21, 2023 0:29:16 GMT 1
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 21, 2023 6:14:38 GMT 1
Reynolds and McElhenney clearly really care about the club and the community, and it would be churlish to deny that their purchase of Wrexham is a lesser evil. Imagine, for instance, a series called Saudi Mags, where Mohammed bin Salman takes a break from ordering the murder of dissident journalists to go to Newcastle and eat a stottie with Peter Beardsley in Granger Market. And yet that seems like a low bar.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Sept 21, 2023 7:10:19 GMT 1
'The Disneyfication of football is no fairytale. It’s part of a wider shift that will have consequences that are hard to predict but seem unlikely to be good. In other words, game’s gone'
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Post by axeman on Sept 21, 2023 7:54:26 GMT 1
David Conn in his book the Beautiful Game got it right many years ago football sold its soul with the Premier League. My favourite years watching Town still is the Buxton era. Real players, real supporters over a homogenised product. Stopped watching MOTD many years ago.
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Post by harrychrishner on Sept 21, 2023 8:03:51 GMT 1
The author of the article Simon Childs is oozing with envy. If the same thing had happened to his beloved AFC Wimbledon he'd probably be more than happy. I had to laugh at his "a club I own" statement, having invested the massive sum of 25 quid for a single share! He's well pissed off that Ollie Palmer left his club and went to Wrexham.
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Post by malcolmbrown on Sept 21, 2023 8:40:56 GMT 1
The author of the article Simon Childs is oozing with envy. If the same thing had happened to his beloved AFC Wimbledon he'd probably be more than happy. I had to laugh at his "a club I own" statement, having invested the massive sum of 25 quid for a single share! He's well pissed off that Ollie Palmer left his club and went to Wrexham. Did you give any thought to this post? |
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Post by runner76 on Sept 21, 2023 9:32:20 GMT 1
Needs a new breakaway league….like another one that was born in Huddersfield….
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Post by belizian on Sept 21, 2023 9:48:50 GMT 1
I'm a dinosaur. Loved soccer in the 60's, 70's, and 80's. Players were part of the community. Drink with'm in the local pub or club. They'd try to pull the same bird as you in Johnny's night club. Many retired to live and work in the area, can't see many of the current team doing that.
The soccer was just as exiting as today if not more so. Most, if not all, the players and managers spoke English and you could understand what they said) OK, one or two of the Jocks and Geordies maybe not so well) and the owners of the club were nearly all local and lifelong supporters, not some guy from America who might turn up twice a year to watch 'HIS' team.
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Post by araucaria on Sept 21, 2023 9:57:33 GMT 1
The author of the article Simon Childs is oozing with envy. If the same thing had happened to his beloved AFC Wimbledon he'd probably be more than happy. I had to laugh at his "a club I own" statement, having invested the massive sum of 25 quid for a single share! He's well pissed off that Ollie Palmer left his club and went to Wrexham. Did you give any thought to this post? Many of the contributors below the line on the Guardian website expressed the same view and several of them could be described as thoughtful. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 21, 2023 10:15:45 GMT 1
That thought of this being penned by a rival supporter with a touch of envy did cross my mind when reading the article.
However, there are so many good points, the disneyfication of Wrexham is a thing for me. I’m sure it’s great for the club to have such a high profile and great if there’s investment beyond the club itself. But it feels like it’s a chapter in media history.
I mentioned on the Toon thread when they posted some sort of ‘sneak preview’ of the behind the scenes stuff, coming soon in their own Skyflixzon reality TV bollocks.
It’s media manipulation, it’s not natural most of the time. Does anyone know how many ‘takes’ it needed to get that perfect moment of spontaneity?
It’s just another example of football eating itself to suit the global media masses. Popcorn football supporters etc.
As soon as ratings are down these things will get ditched, will the US owners then be as invested in Wrexham then? Possibly, but if they’re not getting the hits and coverage their focus will move elsewhere & Wrexham as a club will re-balance itself.
I’m old school of course, I support Town because of birth, because I was naturally led in to it.
If football is only to survive because it relies on millions of global subscribers who have zero affinity to the club, the soul of the game is lost.
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Post by workshyfop on Sept 21, 2023 10:19:21 GMT 1
Reynolds and McElhenney clearly really care about the club and the community, and it would be churlish to deny that their purchase of Wrexham is a lesser evil. Imagine, for instance, a series called Saudi Mags, where Mohammed bin Salman takes a break from ordering the murder of dissident journalists to go to Newcastle and eat a stottie with Peter Beardsley in Granger Market. And yet that seems like a low bar. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You’ve not got Amazon Prime then. It’s hilarious. One of the best bits is when they go absolutely nuts that the owners are not allowed to sponsor the team through one of their companies to allow them to inflate their revenue and thus increase their spending. They’re genuinely outraged (especially Staveley). Dan Burn reads poetry in the Wembley dressing room in one of those “couldn’t make it up” moments. |
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Post by ambryboy on Sept 21, 2023 10:24:38 GMT 1
I'm a dinosaur. Loved soccer in the 60's, 70's, and 80's. Players were part of the community. Drink with'm in the local pub or club. They'd try to pull the same bird as you in Johnny's night club. Many retired to live and work in the area, can't see many of the current team doing that. The soccer was just as exiting as today if not more so. Most, if not all, the players and managers spoke English and you could understand what they said) OK, one or two of the Jocks and Geordies maybe not so well) and the owners of the club were nearly all local and lifelong supporters, not some guy from America who might turn up twice a year to watch 'HIS' team. I feel very much the same and even the events over the past few weeks at our own club feel ever more 'corporate' leading to me feeling increasingly disconnected from my club than I have ever felt in the past. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Sept 21, 2023 10:34:33 GMT 1
I'm a dinosaur. Loved soccer in the 60's, 70's, and 80's. Players were part of the community. Drink with'm in the local pub or club. They'd try to pull the same bird as you in Johnny's night club. Many retired to live and work in the area, can't see many of the current team doing that. The soccer was just as exiting as today if not more so. Most, if not all, the players and managers spoke English and you could understand what they said) OK, one or two of the Jocks and Geordies maybe not so well) and the owners of the club were nearly all local and lifelong supporters, not some guy from America who might turn up twice a year to watch 'HIS' team. I feel very much the same and even the events over the past few weeks at our own club feel ever more 'corporate' leading to me feeling increasingly disconnected from my club than I have ever felt in the past. I tend to agree, but I guess there's a potential big upside to it as well. If he can redevelop the area and bring in more investment and jobs, then it's got to be a good thing for an area / town that's sadly decaying. Having the terrier logo / brand promoted worldwide could bring more visitors here and benefiting hospitality, etc.
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Post by malcolmbrown on Sept 21, 2023 10:40:31 GMT 1
That thought of this being penned by a rival supporter with a touch of envy did cross my mind when reading the article. However, there are so many good points, the disneyfication of Wrexham is a thing for me. I’m sure it’s great for the club to have such a high profile and great if there’s investment beyond the club itself. But it feels like it’s a chapter in media history. I mentioned on the Toon thread when they posted some sort of ‘sneak preview’ of the behind the scenes stuff, coming soon in their own Skyflixzon reality TV bollocks. It’s media manipulation, it’s not natural most of the time. Does anyone know how many ‘takes’ it needed to get that perfect moment of spontaneity? It’s just another example of football eating itself to suit the global media masses. Popcorn football supporters etc. As soon as ratings are down these things will get ditched, will the US owners then be as invested in Wrexham then? Possibly, but if they’re not getting the hits and coverage their focus will move elsewhere & Wrexham as a club will re-balance itself. I’m old school of course, I support Town because of birth, because I was naturally led in to it. If football is only to survive because it relies on millions of global subscribers who have zero affinity to the club, the soul of the game is lost. Summed up to perfection 👍 |
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Post by sabailand on Sept 21, 2023 10:59:12 GMT 1
My honest opinion, if i was a Wrexham fan who had spent years in the doldrums i'd be chuffed to bits that we had been given a chance of bettering ourselves, there are actually posters on here who would like Town to just chug along steady as you go, keeping their head above water, not upsetting the applecart with a mid table finish being the height of ambition basically just happy to exist. Well realistically what ive just described is actually realistic, but i want us to at least try to become the best we can, the day i lack ambition and wanting to progress is the day i stop going. Sorry i know this is about the wrexham thing but my town comments are still relevant, maybe the Wrexham thing will wane in time if progress slows or if indeed they feel they have reached a realistic target, hopes and dreams are what makes football and Wrexham are an example of some of them possibly coming to fruition.
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Post by rooo on Sept 21, 2023 11:07:27 GMT 1
I've said for many-a-year that the FC after the team name should not stand for Football Club but Football Company
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 21, 2023 12:30:31 GMT 1
Reynolds and McElhenney clearly really care about the club and the community, and it would be churlish to deny that their purchase of Wrexham is a lesser evil. Imagine, for instance, a series called Saudi Mags, where Mohammed bin Salman takes a break from ordering the murder of dissident journalists to go to Newcastle and eat a stottie with Peter Beardsley in Granger Market. And yet that seems like a low bar. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You’ve not got Amazon Prime then. It’s hilarious. One of the best bits is when they go absolutely nuts that the owners are not allowed to sponsor the team through one of their companies to allow them to inflate their revenue and thus increase their spending. They’re genuinely outraged (especially Staveley). Dan Burn reads poetry in the Wembley dressing room in one of those “couldn’t make it up” moments. I have got it but the only episode of any of the fly on the wall football documentaries I've watched is the ones where the neighbours bottle the play off v Derby. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 21, 2023 13:48:42 GMT 1
My honest opinion, if i was a Wrexham fan who had spent years in the doldrums i'd be chuffed to bits that we had been given a chance of bettering ourselves, there are actually posters on here who would like Town to just chug along steady as you go, keeping their head above water, not upsetting the applecart with a mid table finish being the height of ambition basically just happy to exist. Well realistically what ive just described is actually realistic, but i want us to at least try to become the best we can, the day i lack ambition and wanting to progress is the day i stop going. Sorry i know this is about the wrexham thing but my town comments are still relevant, maybe the Wrexham thing will wane in time if progress slows or if indeed they feel they have reached a realistic target, hopes and dreams are what makes football and Wrexham are an example of some of them possibly coming to fruition. I think we do try to achieve success, but not by whoring the club to the media and some Hollywood folk to do it. I’m not naive enough to think that we got to the PL on a shoestring, it wasn’t oodles pumped in, but we probably spent more than a good few L1 clubs to get us out of there. But there was a degree of organic growth while Hoyle was in charge as well, you need a mix of the two. I think I should trademark the term popcorn football, because the game is steadily moving towards that. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 21, 2023 14:51:19 GMT 1
David Conn in his book the Beautiful Game got it right many years ago football sold its soul with the Premier League. My favourite years watching Town still is the Buxton era. Real players, real supporters over a homogenised product. Stopped watching MOTD many years ago. Thats a very romanticised view IMO. Football pre the premier league was dying a death. Shit crowds in shit stadiums watching mostly shit football that involved lumping it upfield and endless offside traps. We now have state of the art stadiums, crowds have never been bigger, coverage has never been bigger, the quality on the pitch has never been better. I dont yearn for the days standing on a windswept terrace watching Town huffing and puffing in front of 5000 die hards creating no atmosphere at all, which was the reality for the vast majority of the decade before the PL started and Sky's involvement. VAR though, that I can do without. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 21, 2023 14:59:47 GMT 1
I know that’s your stock answer Slapps, did you read the article?
Do you think the game is becoming over commercialised and is moving away from the local supporters being the lifeblood?
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Post by goodbet on Sept 21, 2023 15:02:11 GMT 1
David Conn in his book the Beautiful Game got it right many years ago football sold its soul with the Premier League. My favourite years watching Town still is the Buxton era. Real players, real supporters over a homogenised product. Stopped watching MOTD many years ago. Thats a very romanticised view IMO. Football pre the premier league was dying a death. Shit crowds in shit stadiums watching mostly shit football that involved lumping it upfield and endless offside traps. We now have state of the art stadiums, crowds have never been bigger, coverage has never been bigger, the quality on the pitch has never been better. I dont yearn for the days standing on a windswept terrace watching Town huffing and puffing in front of 5000 die hards creating no atmosphere at all, which was the reality for the vast majority of the decade before the PL started and Sky's involvement. VAR though, that I can do without. The idea of VAR is great, but as long as the football authorities run it for the benefit of the few it it is not wellcom. If they could only look at how Rugby League does it and copy it may be a benefit to all. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 21, 2023 15:24:56 GMT 1
Thats a very romanticised view IMO. Football pre the premier league was dying a death. Shit crowds in shit stadiums watching mostly shit football that involved lumping it upfield and endless offside traps. We now have state of the art stadiums, crowds have never been bigger, coverage has never been bigger, the quality on the pitch has never been better. I dont yearn for the days standing on a windswept terrace watching Town huffing and puffing in front of 5000 die hards creating no atmosphere at all, which was the reality for the vast majority of the decade before the PL started and Sky's involvement. VAR though, that I can do without. The idea of VAR is great, but as long as the football authorities run it for the benefit of the few it it is not wellcom. If they could only look at how Rugby League does it and copy it may be a benefit to all. I agree, I think most would. But the one big difference there? Hundreds of £m’s and the rest… Football could learn a lot from Rugby, respect for Refs, not rolling over as though you’ve been shot by a sniper etc. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 21, 2023 16:07:31 GMT 1
I know that’s your stock answer Slapps, did you read the article? Do you think the game is becoming over commercialised and is moving away from the local supporters being the lifeblood? No not yet, I will if I get chance. Just replying to axeman. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 21, 2023 16:33:41 GMT 1
I know that’s your stock answer Slapps, did you read the article? Do you think the game is becoming over commercialised and is moving away from the local supporters being the lifeblood? No not yet, I will if I get chance. Just replying to axeman. It’s the Guardian Slapps, you’ll want to hold your nose… 😉 |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Sept 21, 2023 16:40:50 GMT 1
I'm a dinosaur. Loved soccer in the 60's, 70's, and 80's. Players were part of the community. Drink with'm in the local pub or club. They'd try to pull the same bird as you in Johnny's night club. Many retired to live and work in the area, can't see many of the current team doing that. The soccer was just as exiting as today if not more so. Most, if not all, the players and managers spoke English and you could understand what they said) OK, one or two of the Jocks and Geordies maybe not so well) and the owners of the club were nearly all local and lifelong supporters, not some guy from America who might turn up twice a year to watch 'HIS' team. Funnily enough I was chatting to a Barnsley fan (driver of the rail replacement bus) last night after the game- he was saying how good it was that fans at Huddersfield are allowed to mix rather than being segregated outside the ground by police. I think back to being at Stoke as a young kid with my dad and being treated like animals by the police. The "good old days" definitely had their downsides too. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 21, 2023 16:53:21 GMT 1
I'm a dinosaur. Loved soccer in the 60's, 70's, and 80's. Players were part of the community. Drink with'm in the local pub or club. They'd try to pull the same bird as you in Johnny's night club. Many retired to live and work in the area, can't see many of the current team doing that. The soccer was just as exiting as today if not more so. Most, if not all, the players and managers spoke English and you could understand what they said) OK, one or two of the Jocks and Geordies maybe not so well) and the owners of the club were nearly all local and lifelong supporters, not some guy from America who might turn up twice a year to watch 'HIS' team. Funnily enough I was chatting to a Barnsley fan (driver of the rail replacement bus) last night after the game- he was saying how good it was that fans at Huddersfield are allowed to mix rather than being segregated outside the ground by police. I think back to being at Stoke as a young kid with my dad and being treated like animals by the police. The "good old days" definitely had their downsides too. The policing at Barnsley by South Yorkshire Police last time I was there (Jan 20) was a joke. Segregating folk then funnelling them back together whilst causing far more agro than they solved whilst dressed like Judge Dredd. |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Sept 21, 2023 17:26:40 GMT 1
Funnily enough I was chatting to a Barnsley fan (driver of the rail replacement bus) last night after the game- he was saying how good it was that fans at Huddersfield are allowed to mix rather than being segregated outside the ground by police. I think back to being at Stoke as a young kid with my dad and being treated like animals by the police. The "good old days" definitely had their downsides too. The policing at Barnsley by South Yorkshire Police last time I was there (Jan 20) was a joke. Segregating folk then funnelling them back together whilst causing far more agro than they solved whilst dressed like Judge Dredd. South Yorkshire Police are a joke when it comes to football- thankfully West Yorks have learned from the panning they got a few years ago when they made Hull fans meet up at Hartshead Moor services. |
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Post by araucaria on Sept 21, 2023 19:32:23 GMT 1
The policing at Barnsley by South Yorkshire Police last time I was there (Jan 20) was a joke. Segregating folk then funnelling them back together whilst causing far more agro than they solved whilst dressed like Judge Dredd. South Yorkshire Police are a joke when it comes to football- thankfully West Yorks have learned from the panning they got a few years ago when they made Hull fans meet up at Hartshead Moor services. After we'd lost 5-1 at Bramall Lane in March 1989, the police marched us out of the ground on a roundabout route that must have made sense to them but made none at all to us. I asked a bobby 'where are they taking us?'. 'Straight to the gas chambers'. I've often wondered if that genius was on duty at the other ground a month later, and what part he might have played. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 21, 2023 19:39:40 GMT 1
South Yorkshire Police are a joke when it comes to football- thankfully West Yorks have learned from the panning they got a few years ago when they made Hull fans meet up at Hartshead Moor services. After we'd lost 5-1 at Bramall Lane in March 1989, the police marched us out of the ground on a roundabout route that must have made sense to them but made none at all to us. I asked a bobby 'where are they taking us?'. 'Straight to the gas chambers'. I've often wondered if that genius was on duty at the other ground a month later, and what part he might have played. It’s digressing a bit, but football supporters were really viewed lower than cattle class for a good few yrs, probably from the point hooliganism came in, to the late 90’s maybe? When you watch the big match revisited this does back up a little of what Slapps says, but when you see those fences from the 80’s games and how they were quite quickly accepted it proves the point about how the authorities used a sledge hammer to crack a nut. Especially since a fair bit of the bother happened outside and away from the grounds anyway. |
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Sept 21, 2023 19:46:21 GMT 1
I could never understand why 4 or 5 lads would go in the oppositions end then bring out there colours only for 9 times out of 10 get the shit kicked out of them.
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