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Post by swam4mwg on Sept 21, 2023 20:37:39 GMT 1
I could never understand why 4 or 5 lads would go in the oppositions end then bring out there colours only for 9 times out of 10 get the shit kicked out of them. That Johnson lad in the 70's and 80's was famous for it. It was how it was back then. It was actually an accepted event back then
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Post by goodbet on Sept 21, 2023 20:40:27 GMT 1
I could never understand why 4 or 5 lads would go in the oppositions end then bring out there colours only for 9 times out of 10 get the shit kicked out of them. That Johnson lad in the 70's and 80's was famous for it. It was how it was back then. It was actually an accepted event back then Which Johnson was that?
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Post by swam4mwg on Sept 21, 2023 20:41:47 GMT 1
That Johnson lad in the 70's and 80's was famous for it. It was how it was back then. It was actually an accepted event back then Which Johnson was that? The one who knocked about with Gladstone.
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Post by smax on Sept 21, 2023 20:46:18 GMT 1
Rob Johnson. Gladstone Gladstone give us a .
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Post by swam4mwg on Sept 21, 2023 21:06:04 GMT 1
Rob Johnson. Gladstone Gladstone give us a . Yes! Cult figures at the time
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Sept 21, 2023 23:56:24 GMT 1
David Conn in his book the Beautiful Game got it right many years ago football sold its soul with the Premier League. My favourite years watching Town still is the Buxton era. Real players, real supporters over a homogenised product. Stopped watching MOTD many years ago. Thats a very romanticised view IMO. Football pre the premier league was dying a death. Shit crowds in shit stadiums watching mostly shit football that involved lumping it upfield and endless offside traps. We now have state of the art stadiums, crowds have never been bigger, coverage has never been bigger, the quality on the pitch has never been better. I dont yearn for the days standing on a windswept terrace watching Town huffing and puffing in front of 5000 die hards creating no atmosphere at all, which was the reality for the vast majority of the decade before the PL started and Sky's involvement. VAR though, that I can do without. Watch a game from the 70s. 80s even. You might change your mind.
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Post by tepidterrier on Sept 22, 2023 7:54:48 GMT 1
David Conn in his book the Beautiful Game got it right many years ago football sold its soul with the Premier League. My favourite years watching Town still is the Buxton era. Real players, real supporters over a homogenised product. Stopped watching MOTD many years ago. Thats a very romanticised view IMO. Football pre the premier league was dying a death. Shit crowds in shit stadiums watching mostly shit football that involved lumping it upfield and endless offside traps. We now have state of the art stadiums, crowds have never been bigger, coverage has never been bigger, the quality on the pitch has never been better. I dont yearn for the days standing on a windswept terrace watching Town huffing and puffing in front of 5000 die hards creating no atmosphere at all, which was the reality for the vast majority of the decade before the PL started and Sky's involvement. VAR though, that I can do without. I agree with both of you. It was starting to die on its arse by the mid to late 80s, with dwindling crowds, stadium tragedies, hooliganism, etc. Maggie had a target set on football, and I think her attempts, and consequently the British media's attempts, to address hooliganism was to scare people off. The Premier League has to be seen in the context of Thatcher and neoliberalism too. The reason football is going down the toilet, and squeezing every penny out of people through increasingly unethical and niche business practices, is because that's what's happening with most things in the world. The reason it's like this is because we've let an unregulated market decide everything about the game, so we as fans have very little stake in it anymore beyond having our cash extracted from us in new and exciting ways.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 22, 2023 9:29:54 GMT 1
Thats a very romanticised view IMO. Football pre the premier league was dying a death. Shit crowds in shit stadiums watching mostly shit football that involved lumping it upfield and endless offside traps. We now have state of the art stadiums, crowds have never been bigger, coverage has never been bigger, the quality on the pitch has never been better. I dont yearn for the days standing on a windswept terrace watching Town huffing and puffing in front of 5000 die hards creating no atmosphere at all, which was the reality for the vast majority of the decade before the PL started and Sky's involvement. VAR though, that I can do without. Watch a game from the 70s. 80s even. You might change your mind. You have to wonder what sort of game we’d have seen if you put the good teams of that era, onto to modern day bowling green pitches. I don’t think there would be much difference other than the pace of the game. Ironically it’s a faster game today, that is of course once they’ve played it over the halfway line after the obligatory 30 passes across the back line.
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Sept 22, 2023 10:34:50 GMT 1
Watch a game from the 70s. 80s even. You might change your mind. You have to wonder what sort of game we’d have seen if you put the good teams of that era, onto to modern day bowling green pitches. I don’t think there would be much difference other than the pace of the game. Ironically it’s a faster game today, that is of course once they’ve played it over the halfway line after the obligatory 30 passes across the back line. You may be right, but the point I was really making was that back then, there was absolutely no play acting. It's a breath of fresh air watching matches from that period.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 22, 2023 10:58:28 GMT 1
Thats a very romanticised view IMO. Football pre the premier league was dying a death. Shit crowds in shit stadiums watching mostly shit football that involved lumping it upfield and endless offside traps. We now have state of the art stadiums, crowds have never been bigger, coverage has never been bigger, the quality on the pitch has never been better. I dont yearn for the days standing on a windswept terrace watching Town huffing and puffing in front of 5000 die hards creating no atmosphere at all, which was the reality for the vast majority of the decade before the PL started and Sky's involvement. VAR though, that I can do without. Watch a game from the 70s. 80s even. You might change your mind. Ive recently been watching the old The big Matches with Brian Moore on You Tube from the 70s and early 80s. Why would I change my mind? Most of the football is dreadful. I mean really poor stuff...Just scrappy lumping it about football, and thats the top teams. Partly because the pitches were so bad to be fair. Theres less feigning injury and I like that not every contact is a foul like it is now, but in terms of technical quality it doesnt even compare. In the ones from the 80s there are huge open areas with no fans at most of the games. Crowds that are half or even a third of what the same clubs get today
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 22, 2023 11:07:13 GMT 1
Watch a game from the 70s. 80s even. You might change your mind. You have to wonder what sort of game we’d have seen if you put the good teams of that era, onto to modern day bowling green pitches. I don’t think there would be much difference other than the pace of the game. Ironically it’s a faster game today, that is of course once they’ve played it over the halfway line after the obligatory 30 passes across the back line. Its very difficult to compare eras like that because the players and what coaching and health choices they had make it such an unlevel playing field. But like with rugby..you see players from the 70s and they just dont physically compare to the prime specimens of today. The pitches at the start of the season were ok back then but the game was still largely about 'lumping it in the box' for your forward to get on the end of. I would say its probably gone too far the other way with all the pratting about with it that teams do now...though that certainly isnt affecting the games popularity. The Championship this season will break the record for the biggest overall attendances the 2nd tier has ever had,.. even the post war boom time when there was sod all else to do and it cost almost nowt to go to the games.
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Post by mosher on Sept 22, 2023 11:38:53 GMT 1
You have to wonder what sort of game we’d have seen if you put the good teams of that era, onto to modern day bowling green pitches. I don’t think there would be much difference other than the pace of the game. Ironically it’s a faster game today, that is of course once they’ve played it over the halfway line after the obligatory 30 passes across the back line. Its very difficult to compare eras like that because the players and what coaching and health choices they had make it such an unlevel playing field. But like with rugby..you see players from the 70s and they just dont physically compare to the prime specimens of today.The pitches at the start of the season were ok back then but the game was still largely about 'lumping it in the box' for your forward to get on the end of. I would say its probably gone too far the other way with all the pratting about with it that teams do now...though that certainly isnt affecting the games popularity. The Championship this season will break the record for the biggest overall attendances the 2nd tier has ever had,.. even the post war boom time when there was sod all else to do and it cost almost nowt to go to the games. That I HAVE noticed. Bill Beaumont compared to the Adonis' playing now. Now I know Beaumont and his peers were physically fit enough to play, but compare today's players' six packs to the beer barrels they had back then
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