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Post by boooothy on Sept 22, 2023 15:00:13 GMT 1
Data points? How can data points match a squad or tell you how attacking a manager is? Why not just watch some games or ask someone who watched his previous teams.
Unlike some i don’t care if he’s an attack minded manager, i just want to win games but they are just setting him up with that bollocks. He’s not an attacked minded manager and it will be thrown back at him every game we fail to score in.
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Post by royrace on Sept 22, 2023 15:05:27 GMT 1
Data points? How can data points match a squad or tell you how attacking a manager is? Why not just watch some games or ask someone who watched his previous teams. Unlike some i don’t care if he’s an attack minded manager, i just want to win games but they are just setting him up with that bollocks. He’s not an attacked minded manager and it will be thrown back at him every game we fail to score in. Its just guff isnt it, sign of the times, could play corporate-bollocks-speak bingo listening to it! A "multi-game approach" was my personal favourite from today, why use simple words when you can use fancy sounding ones! I don't blame them though, can't be easy sat up there!
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 22, 2023 15:44:58 GMT 1
Jake Edwards speaks well, comes across as smooth and professional. Cartwright.. bullshitter. DM..Nice guy, repeated same stock answers. Not sure Why but I get a feeling that Cartwright is not someone you would want to be working with. He would possibly through you under the bus. Good luck DM you might need it. Yes you can see how he has had success in a corporate environment, smooth and professional is the nice way to put it, I can think of some less kind words to describe it but I think its already been said above I think everyone clocked Cartwright very obviously jumping in to stop Darren putting the cat amongst the pigeons re the timing, probably had the exact opposite effect to what he wanted, if there are still any deluded fools on here who think this was always part of the plan and have watched the press conference then I fear for them in life, I really do!Another highlight was Cartwright having to ask Edwards if there would be a budget available in January! Oh and the attacking squad we have (with 1 striker, 2 first team wingers and 1 CAM)! Darren came across as expected, seems a lovely fella, I'm sure the players will like and respect him which is a decent start. The king is dead, long live the king. Honest to god, which bit wasnt the plan?? As soon as Cartwright and Edwards were put in situ they'll have been looking for the next manager. It was the obvious priority as our temporary manager was just that..temporary. They probably interviewed a few candidates after they'd whittled down the list who'd got in touch ( knowing as everyone in the game did that we would be starting to look for a manager) They decide on Darren Moore and then in agreement with warnock decide he'll be in after the stoke game... which coincidentally is just after the supposed 90 day agreement Moore had with Sheff Wed runs out. I fear for people who have to try and create some dastardly do around such pretty obvious stuff. Is life not interesting enough?? Cartwright passed the budget question on to Edwards because Edwards is the CEO..its his job to answer that as hes got the control over it.
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Post by bogart on Sept 22, 2023 16:20:47 GMT 1
What a very conference that was. Shit sound at the start loss of picture at end. Can we not even get something that simple right? Question asked to Moore when did you fist learn of Town's interest soon shut out by Cartwright waffling about West Brom. Think we know, exactly the time Warnock had the spat with Nagel
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 22, 2023 16:31:13 GMT 1
So we hadnt made any contact with or even put any thought into who our next long term manager was going to be until Nagle tweeted that 3 defeats and a draw from 4 games was unsatisfactory?
These new executives just sat there twiddling their thumbs waiting for Warnock to tell them when he'd had enough some time nearer Xmas..then they'd start thinking about it?
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 22, 2023 16:31:57 GMT 1
Data points? How can data points match a squad or tell you how attacking a manager is? Why not just watch some games or ask someone who watched his previous teams. Unlike some i don’t care if he’s an attack minded manager, i just want to win games but they are just setting him up with that bollocks. He’s not an attacked minded manager and it will be thrown back at him every game we fail to score in. I wonder if they actually interviewed anyone else or did they just have a list of names that were spat out by the data points and they chose DM?
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 22, 2023 17:17:55 GMT 1
Cut off at the end. Media department are a shambles. The camera overheated and shut down - not much they can do about that other than avoid GoPro's or whatever they use and spend money on a proper studio camera.
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Post by royrace on Sept 22, 2023 17:35:09 GMT 1
Yes you can see how he has had success in a corporate environment, smooth and professional is the nice way to put it, I can think of some less kind words to describe it but I think its already been said above I think everyone clocked Cartwright very obviously jumping in to stop Darren putting the cat amongst the pigeons re the timing, probably had the exact opposite effect to what he wanted, if there are still any deluded fools on here who think this was always part of the plan and have watched the press conference then I fear for them in life, I really do!Another highlight was Cartwright having to ask Edwards if there would be a budget available in January! Oh and the attacking squad we have (with 1 striker, 2 first team wingers and 1 CAM)! Darren came across as expected, seems a lovely fella, I'm sure the players will like and respect him which is a decent start. The king is dead, long live the king. Honest to god, which bit wasnt the plan?? As soon as Cartwright and Edwards were put in situ they'll have been looking for the next manager. It was the obvious priority as our temporary manager was just that..temporary. They probably interviewed a few candidates after they'd whittled down the list who'd got in touch ( knowing as everyone in the game did that we would be starting to look for a manager) They decide on Darren Moore and then in agreement with warnock decide he'll be in after the stoke game... which coincidentally is just after the supposed 90 day agreement Moore had with Sheff Wed runs out. I fear for people who have to try and create some dastardly do around such pretty obvious stuff. Is life not interesting enough?? Cartwright passed the budget question on to Edwards because Edwards is the CEO..its his job to answer that as hes got the control over it. Bored of talking about this now, you've made your mind up, I honestly think if the club fired Moore next week and re-appointed Warnock you'd still fall in line.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 22, 2023 18:08:31 GMT 1
yeah yeah,,,which bit wasnt the plan?
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Post by irverino on Sept 22, 2023 18:13:19 GMT 1
Honest to god, which bit wasnt the plan?? As soon as Cartwright and Edwards were put in situ they'll have been looking for the next manager. It was the obvious priority as our temporary manager was just that..temporary. They probably interviewed a few candidates after they'd whittled down the list who'd got in touch ( knowing as everyone in the game did that we would be starting to look for a manager) They decide on Darren Moore and then in agreement with warnock decide he'll be in after the stoke game... which coincidentally is just after the supposed 90 day agreement Moore had with Sheff Wed runs out. I fear for people who have to try and create some dastardly do around such pretty obvious stuff. Is life not interesting enough?? Cartwright passed the budget question on to Edwards because Edwards is the CEO..its his job to answer that as hes got the control over it. Bored of talking about this now, you've made your mind up, I honestly think if the club fired Moore next week and re-appointed Warnock you'd still fall in line. Yeh, looks clear Warnock bit back at Nagle & he ordered his firing squad to have him put down & go find a new puppy.......Preferable house trained & won't bite back.
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Post by castlehillterrier on Sept 22, 2023 18:23:00 GMT 1
Data points? How can data points match a squad or tell you how attacking a manager is? Why not just watch some games or ask someone who watched his previous teams. Unlike some i don’t care if he’s an attack minded manager, i just want to win games but they are just setting him up with that bollocks. He’s not an attacked minded manager and it will be thrown back at him every game we fail to score in. I wonder if they actually interviewed anyone else or did they just have a list of names that were spat out by the data points and they chose DM? Been told no actual interviews with other possible managers, but we did speak to a few people on the list more casual phone / teams calls rather than interviews, Darren was really a stand out candidate however even before speaking to him he was at the top of the realistic list.
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Post by space hardware on Sept 22, 2023 18:24:28 GMT 1
Yes you can see how he has had success in a corporate environment, smooth and professional is the nice way to put it, I can think of some less kind words to describe it but I think its already been said above I think everyone clocked Cartwright very obviously jumping in to stop Darren putting the cat amongst the pigeons re the timing, probably had the exact opposite effect to what he wanted, if there are still any deluded fools on here who think this was always part of the plan and have watched the press conference then I fear for them in life, I really do!Another highlight was Cartwright having to ask Edwards if there would be a budget available in January! Oh and the attacking squad we have (with 1 striker, 2 first team wingers and 1 CAM)! Darren came across as expected, seems a lovely fella, I'm sure the players will like and respect him which is a decent start. The king is dead, long live the king. Honest to god, which bit wasnt the plan?? As soon as Cartwright and Edwards were put in situ they'll have been looking for the next manager. It was the obvious priority as our temporary manager was just that..temporary. They probably interviewed a few candidates after they'd whittled down the list who'd got in touch ( knowing as everyone in the game did that we would be starting to look for a manager) They decide on Darren Moore and then in agreement with warnock decide he'll be in after the stoke game... which coincidentally is just after the supposed 90 day agreement Moore had with Sheff Wed runs out. I fear for people who have to try and create some dastardly do around such pretty obvious stuff. Is life not interesting enough?? Cartwright passed the budget question on to Edwards because Edwards is the CEO..its his job to answer that as hes got the control over it. I keep reading this "temporary manager" line. I honestly can't remember it being mentioned prior to the fallout from the Nagle tweet and the Warnock clap back. They certainly didn't frame it that way when he was reappointed.
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Post by Rambo on Sept 22, 2023 18:32:43 GMT 1
Yup. However, hope we get some sense of his personality and HIS thoughts and views, not just the company line...... I listened to his interview on Sky about how the break up with Wednesday happened...he used many words, some not quite in the right order for me and I was left no wiser... Maybe politics is his calling. Joking apart, I do hope we see his 'inner self'... I have to admit when I watched it earlier I was also left nonthewiser when Moore was asked how it the move came about. He spoke about no conversations had taken place but he was thinking this is good and the others he was talking to felt it was good. He said a lot of words but none ofnit made sense. How does that work?
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Post by irverino on Sept 22, 2023 19:00:42 GMT 1
I listened to his interview on Sky about how the break up with Wednesday happened...he used many words, some not quite in the right order for me and I was left no wiser... Maybe politics is his calling. Joking apart, I do hope we see his 'inner self'... I have to admit when I watched it earlier I was also left nonthewiser when Moore was asked how it the move came about. He spoke about no conversations had taken place but he was thinking this is good and the others he was talking to felt it was good. He said a lot of words but none ofnit made sense. How does that work? Possibly only got a confirmation call yesterday morning (10 mins before Nixon) & why MC dived in to stop him answering.......Most media outlets on Tues/Wed were still saying Moore or Jones.
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 22, 2023 19:22:03 GMT 1
I listened to his interview on Sky about how the break up with Wednesday happened...he used many words, some not quite in the right order for me and I was left no wiser... Maybe politics is his calling. Joking apart, I do hope we see his 'inner self'... I have to admit when I watched it earlier I was also left nonthewiser when Moore was asked how it the move came about. He spoke about no conversations had taken place but he was thinking this is good and the others he was talking to felt it was good. He said a lot of words but none ofnit made sense. How does that work? I ain't listening to it again, but I thought he just said something along the lines of he had spoken to Jake, Mark (and Kevin remotely)...had a good feel about it, they did the deal...and then when they "sat down afterwards" and had a cosier perhaps less formal discussion, loads of other stuff came out that clicked and made him realise he'd made the right decision (he's had other clubs and opportunities), and that it seemed the process that Jake & Mark had worked through which ultimately led to the conversations had worked, as they all aligned.
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 22, 2023 19:22:45 GMT 1
People seen this?
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 22, 2023 19:26:14 GMT 1
Moore seems to really struggle to think of what to say, like a bunch of random words coming out jumbled up.
He's a football manager though, not a public speaker, so it doesn't really matter. What he does on the training pitch and on a match day is what's critical.
I think he'll be great for keeping that squad togetherness which Warnock has built and also building a good feeling throughout the whole club. Definitely a likeable guy
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Post by htafcokay on Sept 22, 2023 19:32:48 GMT 1
Honest to god, which bit wasnt the plan?? As soon as Cartwright and Edwards were put in situ they'll have been looking for the next manager. It was the obvious priority as our temporary manager was just that..temporary. They probably interviewed a few candidates after they'd whittled down the list who'd got in touch ( knowing as everyone in the game did that we would be starting to look for a manager) They decide on Darren Moore and then in agreement with warnock decide he'll be in after the stoke game... which coincidentally is just after the supposed 90 day agreement Moore had with Sheff Wed runs out. I fear for people who have to try and create some dastardly do around such pretty obvious stuff. Is life not interesting enough?? Cartwright passed the budget question on to Edwards because Edwards is the CEO..its his job to answer that as hes got the control over it. I keep reading this "temporary manager" line.I honestly can't remember it being mentioned prior to the fallout from the Nagle tweet and the Warnock clap back. They certainly didn't frame it that way when he was reappointed. Completely made up by Captainslapper.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 22, 2023 19:42:19 GMT 1
FFS, when people use data they don't generally use it to make a final decision based on the data alone. It may, for example, just help isolate some likely best fits, from a huge list.
As they said, they still held interviews.
Obviously people can misuse data and clearly it shouldn't be the only factor, but if it's to supplement what else you do, it should only a good thing.
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Post by harris on Sept 22, 2023 19:48:59 GMT 1
Not read through this thread but thought Moore came across very well. Also thought Edwards came across brilliantly, he and the rest of the board certainly have ambitious plans for this club and I was excited listening to them. The 3 year plan makes total sense and it does sound like we will invest in the squad, let’s see.
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Post by conman on Sept 22, 2023 20:12:03 GMT 1
I tell you what I'd like to ask... That woman in front of me walking over the bridge after the game the other night , the one wearing this season's home shirt with WARNOCK printed on the back . Will she be compensated in some way ?
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Post by 28901 on Sept 22, 2023 20:20:11 GMT 1
What were your first football boots? Who was your childhood hero? Favourite food? Favourite Other Club I remember reading Shoot in the 70s and Paul Madeleys was Huddersfield Town. Always liked him after that.
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Post by JG Mellor on Sept 22, 2023 20:23:56 GMT 1
Yes you can see how he has had success in a corporate environment, smooth and professional is the nice way to put it, I can think of some less kind words to describe it but I think its already been said above I think everyone clocked Cartwright very obviously jumping in to stop Darren putting the cat amongst the pigeons re the timing, probably had the exact opposite effect to what he wanted, if there are still any deluded fools on here who think this was always part of the plan and have watched the press conference then I fear for them in life, I really do!Another highlight was Cartwright having to ask Edwards if there would be a budget available in January! Oh and the attacking squad we have (with 1 striker, 2 first team wingers and 1 CAM)! Darren came across as expected, seems a lovely fella, I'm sure the players will like and respect him which is a decent start. The king is dead, long live the king. Honest to god, which bit wasnt the plan?? As soon as Cartwright and Edwards were put in situ they'll have been looking for the next manager. It was the obvious priority as our temporary manager was just that..temporary. They probably interviewed a few candidates after they'd whittled down the list who'd got in touch ( knowing as everyone in the game did that we would be starting to look for a manager) They decide on Darren Moore and then in agreement with warnock decide he'll be in after the stoke game... which coincidentally is just after the supposed 90 day agreement Moore had with Sheff Wed runs out. I fear for people who have to try and create some dastardly do around such pretty obvious stuff. Is life not interesting enough?? Cartwright passed the budget question on to Edwards because Edwards is the CEO..its his job to answer that as hes got the control over it. Wet behind the ears fella 😂
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Post by JG Mellor on Sept 22, 2023 20:31:06 GMT 1
I tell you what I'd like to ask... That woman in front of me walking over the bridge after the game the other night , the one wearing this season's home shirt with WARNOCK printed on the back . Will she be compensated in some way ? There'll be a quite significant number of people who bought season tickets and shirts etc, based on the belief that Neil and Ronnie would be here a lot longer.
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Post by 28901 on Sept 22, 2023 20:33:10 GMT 1
I tell you what I'd like to ask... That woman in front of me walking over the bridge after the game the other night , the one wearing this season's home shirt with WARNOCK printed on the back . Will she be compensated in some way ? There'll be a quite significant number of people who bought season tickets and shirts etc, based on the belief that Neil and Ronnie would be here a lot longer. A shirt? Did anyone really buy a Town shirt because Warnock was in charge?
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 22, 2023 20:33:50 GMT 1
I doubt we'll get a genuine reply to that, he will have been told what to say. As previous have mentioned the switch is done now regardless of how some of us feel about the method. I'd like to know what style of play he wants us to move forward with, does he plan on adding to the squad in January (will you have any money to spend Darren), is your plan survival this season or chancing your arm at the play offs? I don't think we have a chance at top 6 just be interested to know his genuine belief. I think he answered that...he's set no limits,no targets, for this season 'we will finish where we deserve to finish'. He will assess what he has before he thinks about additions... Perfectly fair answer. This season is purely about staying up and assessing where we are. The next two seasons could be interesting....
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Post by bluesandtwos on Sept 22, 2023 20:34:11 GMT 1
Bored of talking about this now, you've made your mind up, I honestly think if the club fired Moore next week and re-appointed Warnock you'd still fall in line. Yeh, looks clear Warnock bit back at Nagle & he ordered his firing squad to have him put down & go find a new puppy.......Preferable house trained & won't bite back. That is just cynical people believing what they want. NW was great at what he did. He took some persuasion to return, he said his preference was to work a few months a year. DM is a young hungry manager who will work with others to achieve results, that is not a NW strength. I am pleased to see us with a long term plan and goal.
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Post by space hardware on Sept 22, 2023 20:41:14 GMT 1
I think he answered that...he's set no limits,no targets, for this season 'we will finish where we deserve to finish'. He will assess what he has before he thinks about additions... Perfectly fair answer. This season is purely about staying up and assessing where we are. The next two seasons could be interesting.... And this is why I, and presumably others on here, are sceptical of the reasons why Warnock was let go. Staying up this season, that's the aim? If so, why get rid of him?
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Post by bigtruck on Sept 22, 2023 20:42:56 GMT 1
I doubt we'll get a genuine reply to that, he will have been told what to say. As previous have mentioned the switch is done now regardless of how some of us feel about the method. I'd like to know what style of play he wants us to move forward with, does he plan on adding to the squad in January (will you have any money to spend Darren), is your plan survival this season or chancing your arm at the play offs? I don't think we have a chance at top 6 just be interested to know his genuine belief. not listened or read yet but from what I can tell it was asked but bullshitted around by Cartwright/Edwards before Moore could answer How exactly can you tell from not listening to or reading the press conference???
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Post by bigtruck on Sept 22, 2023 20:44:07 GMT 1
I keep reading this "temporary manager" line.I honestly can't remember it being mentioned prior to the fallout from the Nagle tweet and the Warnock clap back. They certainly didn't frame it that way when he was reappointed. Completely made up by Captainslapper. Try going back to the first press conference.
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