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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Oct 1, 2023 18:00:07 GMT 1
It's not always our choice which way we play instead first or second half.
Apparently the ref and the two captains do this thing called a coin toss, and the captain that wins gets to choose which way to play or whether they kick off in the first half.
To be honest all this modern technology coming in goes over my head. Need to go back to no nets on the goals and a scoreboard in algebra.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Oct 1, 2023 18:02:40 GMT 1
Just read a report on the turmoil surrounding Sheffield Wednesday. What is abundantly clear is that a key reason for their current on field problems is the departure of Darren Moore, just a few weeks after masterminding that remarkable recovery from the 0-4 1st leg Play Off Semi Final and securing promotion. Yesterday I noticed that he spent every second of the game stood in the technical area, he was a calm and assured presence throughout. I was pleased that he received a good welcome, I think we’ve appointed well here. I've always liked the guy but let's not be selective. He also masterminded the 0-4 at Peterborough. It was a two leg game. The fact that he was able to plan and motivate his team to overcome the deficit is why many people regard him highly. Many football journalists regard it has the best play off achievement ever.
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Post by sapphireblue on Oct 1, 2023 18:10:22 GMT 1
Also the pitch has been made wider & shorter. It certainly used to be the case, and I have not heard of a change, that the pitch size has to be registered at the start of the season and cannot be changed throughout.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Oct 1, 2023 18:12:02 GMT 1
I've always liked the guy but let's not be selective. He also masterminded the 0-4 at Peterborough. It was a two leg game. The fact that he was able to plan and motivate his team to overcome the deficit is why many people regard him highly. Many football journalists regard it has the best play off achievement ever. Exactly. Most managers will have a 4 0 defeat on their CV. Not many will have a second leg comeback like that!
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Oct 1, 2023 18:17:24 GMT 1
I think the way the away allocation has been created at the ground has long been a problem. Never understood this safety thing and why they can’t stick them in the top tier at the other end? This was explained many years ago. The problem is that there would be away fans walking the length of the ground to get to and from their coaches, and encountering Town fans on the way. Far too much of an excuse for a ruckus whereas Plod or stewards can see them straight in and out at the end where they are now. It really is as simple - logical - as that.
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Post by rockwall on Oct 1, 2023 19:08:11 GMT 1
And most home games, more fans will be in south stand than away. Can't hear the families, in a box. Means absolutely nothing. I sit the same as you in the upper tier. But I think the turnaround is better. Attack the south stand 2nd half. I'm not in the Family Stand, I sit in the KB. I've sat in both the Family Stand and South Stand for games and hated both, the view, and more-so the perspective, is awful. 'Not happy about the change of ends either after 30 years of watching us attack the goal in front of me' You said this... Reason I thought you sat in the Upper Tier.
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Post by ben1987 on Oct 1, 2023 19:13:27 GMT 1
He jumped into the crowd because he is a human being with emotions who'd just scored in a highly competitive match. What is super dumb is that players get a yellow card for celebrating. Just to be clear from the outset, I agree with you. However, in the interest of balance I’m just going to throw in another point of view. Yesterdays goal was brilliant. A player going to supporters and living in the moment. Not a mobile phone in sight, just a massive pile on and being right in the middle of it I would say that. But… When players do go to the fans it does create a surge of fans who in that moment just go diving in. One of the CL lads developed a third knee after the goal. Not that any of us should or do care, he’s old enough to make his own choices and he chooses to go into an area that can be a bit boisterous. Pozzas lad who’s only petite and about 8 years old as you can see on the video is right in the middle of the stampede that’s begun and he did get a little bit hurt in it from being crushed up against the railings (hi rail seating). At the time, Pozza wasn’t bothered and he probably still isn’t because ultimately we scored and the moment was worth his lad nearly having all the air pushed out of his lungs from the large wastelines desperate to touch Delanos sweaty head but it’ll toughen the soft lad up. I normally bring my 7 year old and she would have got hurt as she’s even smaller. So just a warning, when players do come to fans after scoring it can create safety issues but i don’t really care about any of that because safety is secondary in that moment and it sorts out the wheat from the chaff. Delano you beauty utt
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Post by rockwall on Oct 1, 2023 19:23:51 GMT 1
He jumped into the crowd because he is a human being with emotions who'd just scored in a highly competitive match. What is super dumb is that players get a yellow card for celebrating. Just to be clear from the outset, I agree with you. However, in the interest of balance I’m just going to throw in another point of view. Yesterdays goal was brilliant. A player going to supporters and living in the moment. Not a mobile phone in sight, just a massive pile on and being right in the middle of it I would say that. But… When players do go to the fans it does create a surge of fans who in that moment just go diving in. One of the CL lads developed a third knee after the goal. Not that any of us should or do care, he’s old enough to make his own choices and he chooses to go into an area that can be a bit boisterous. Pozzas lad who’s only petite and about 8 years old as you can see on the video is right in the middle of the stampede that’s begun and he did get a little bit hurt in it from being crushed up against the railings (hi rail seating). At the time, Pozza wasn’t bothered and he probably still isn’t because ultimately we scored and the moment was worth his lad nearly having all the air pushed out of his lungs from the large wastelines desperate to touch Delanos sweaty head but it’ll toughen the soft lad up. I normally bring my 7 year old and she would have got hurt as she’s even smaller. So just a warning, when players do come to fans after scoring it can create safety issues but i don’t really care about any of that because safety is secondary in that moment and it sorts out the wheat from the chaff. Delano you beauty utt I agree with what you're saying, but fans also know where will be boisterous and where won't. So if someone is going to moan about their child getting squashed in the South Stand, don't take them in there.... Take them to any of the 3 other stands where that won't happen. Footba has been ruined by not being able to live in the moment. What Burgzorg did is what is now missing in the game. This isn't aimed at yourself, but anyone complaining about it needs to lighten up a bit.
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Post by sapphireblue on Oct 1, 2023 19:29:53 GMT 1
He jumped into the crowd because he is a human being with emotions who'd just scored in a highly competitive match. What is super dumb is that players get a yellow card for celebrating. Just to be clear from the outset, I agree with you. However, in the interest of balance I’m just going to throw in another point of view. Yesterdays goal was brilliant. A player going to supporters and living in the moment. Not a mobile phone in sight, just a massive pile on and being right in the middle of it I would say that. But… When players do go to the fans it does create a surge of fans who in that moment just go diving in. One of the CL lads developed a third knee after the goal. Not that any of us should or do care, he’s old enough to make his own choices and he chooses to go into an area that can be a bit boisterous. Pozzas lad who’s only petite and about 8 years old as you can see on the video is right in the middle of the stampede that’s begun and he did get a little bit hurt in it from being crushed up against the railings (hi rail seating). At the time, Pozza wasn’t bothered and he probably still isn’t because ultimately we scored and the moment was worth his lad nearly having all the air pushed out of his lungs from the large wastelines desperate to touch Delanos sweaty head but it’ll toughen the soft lad up. I normally bring my 7 year old and she would have got hurt as she’s even smaller. So just a warning, when players do come to fans after scoring it can create safety issues but i don’t really care about any of that because safety is secondary in that moment and it sorts out the wheat from the chaff. Delano you beauty utt Whilst all of that is pretty much spot on, the phrase "safety is secondary in that moment" stands out like a very sore thumb.
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Post by turbo2 on Oct 1, 2023 19:38:29 GMT 1
I think the way the away allocation has been created at the ground has long been a problem. Never understood this safety thing and why they can’t stick them in the top tier at the other end? This was explained many years ago. The problem is that there would be away fans walking the length of the ground to get to and from their coaches, and encountering Town fans on the way. Far too much of an excuse for a ruckus whereas Plod or stewards can see them straight in and out at the end where they are now. It really is as simple - logical - as that. It’s utter nonsense. Bellend road I’ve stood in three sides of the ground. Have done similar at many venues. Just an excuse
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Post by ben1987 on Oct 1, 2023 19:43:27 GMT 1
Just to be clear from the outset, I agree with you. However, in the interest of balance I’m just going to throw in another point of view. Yesterdays goal was brilliant. A player going to supporters and living in the moment. Not a mobile phone in sight, just a massive pile on and being right in the middle of it I would say that. But… When players do go to the fans it does create a surge of fans who in that moment just go diving in. One of the CL lads developed a third knee after the goal. Not that any of us should or do care, he’s old enough to make his own choices and he chooses to go into an area that can be a bit boisterous. Pozzas lad who’s only petite and about 8 years old as you can see on the video is right in the middle of the stampede that’s begun and he did get a little bit hurt in it from being crushed up against the railings (hi rail seating). At the time, Pozza wasn’t bothered and he probably still isn’t because ultimately we scored and the moment was worth his lad nearly having all the air pushed out of his lungs from the large wastelines desperate to touch Delanos sweaty head but it’ll toughen the soft lad up. I normally bring my 7 year old and she would have got hurt as she’s even smaller. So just a warning, when players do come to fans after scoring it can create safety issues but i don’t really care about any of that because safety is secondary in that moment and it sorts out the wheat from the chaff. Delano you beauty utt Whilst all of that is pretty much spot on, the phrase "safety is secondary in that moment" stands out like a very sore thumb. In that moment, you don’t think oh what if, it just happens. Priority is celebrating. That’s the point.
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Post by terryya on Oct 1, 2023 19:58:27 GMT 1
I think the way the away allocation has been created at the ground has long been a problem. Never understood this safety thing and why they can’t stick them in the top tier at the other end? This was explained many years ago. The problem is that there would be away fans walking the length of the ground to get to and from their coaches, and encountering Town fans on the way. Far too much of an excuse for a ruckus whereas Plod or stewards can see them straight in and out at the end where they are now. It really is as simple - logical - as that. If only there was a car park at the other end of the ground, then they could park the coaches there!
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Post by sapphireblue on Oct 1, 2023 20:57:26 GMT 1
Whilst all of that is pretty much spot on, the phrase "safety is secondary in that moment" stands out like a very sore thumb. In that moment, you don’t think oh what if, it just happens. Priority is celebrating. That’s the point. I get the point, but the rules are set in the cold light of day when safety is paramount. Football grounds can never again allow it to be secondary.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 1, 2023 21:03:29 GMT 1
I'm not in the Family Stand, I sit in the KB. I've sat in both the Family Stand and South Stand for games and hated both, the view, and more-so the perspective, is awful. 'Not happy about the change of ends either after 30 years of watching us attack the goal in front of me' You said this... Reason I thought you sat in the Upper Tier. I know, I sit nearer the goal than the halfway line
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Post by yappledapple on Oct 1, 2023 21:04:01 GMT 1
There was also a countdown on the screen, 20 down to 0 as Tog starts to announce the players are in the tunnel. They then walked out on zero.In addition, adding the big screen in the fanzone meant that it was packed pre-match. Think it helped who was on and them getting beat! They do need to cover the whole area though and have several food street food outlets like they used too. There has been all season. First time I've seen it - must be watching the players come out and clapping them then every other home game!
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Post by bigtruck on Oct 1, 2023 21:16:40 GMT 1
It's not always our choice which way we play instead first or second half. Apparently the ref and the two captains do this thing called a coin toss, and the captain that wins gets to choose which way to play or whether they kick off in the first half. To be honest all this modern technology coming in goes over my head. Need to go back to no nets on the goals and a scoreboard in algebra. Little nugget I learnt on a referees course, apparently you don’t choose one or the other. The loser of the toss kicks off and winner chooses sides 🤷🏼♂️
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Oct 1, 2023 21:22:41 GMT 1
Also Delano jumping into the CL when he scored. Great for optics, he hugged me like a father and son would but he snapped our brand new flag pole so the bastard owes me £8. Delano, your cards are marked, son. EDIT. Proof of the damage. www.instagram.com/reel/Cx0tJCfovYI/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==I recall seeing on MotD donkeys years ago Clinton Morrison scoring a goal for Palace, then jumping the hoardings behind the goal and clattering off up the stairwell to half-way up the stand, turning around and back down onto the pitch. No booking.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Oct 1, 2023 21:26:53 GMT 1
It's not always our choice which way we play instead first or second half. Apparently the ref and the two captains do this thing called a coin toss, and the captain that wins gets to choose which way to play or whether they kick off in the first half. To be honest all this modern technology coming in goes over my head. Need to go back to no nets on the goals and a scoreboard in algebra. Little nugget I learnt on a referees course, apparently you don’t choose one or the other. The loser of the toss kicks off and winner chooses sides 🤷🏼♂️ Well, every day is a school day! Has that always been the case or is it a more recent change? Back when I was at school (and also on early computer games) the winner of the toss could either choose to kick off, or choose the direction. If they chose the direction, the loser of the toss kicks off- but if they chose to kick off the loser can choose the direction. Anyway, my main point was aimed at those grumbling about which way we play in each half- something that statistically is only the choice of Huddersfield Town 50% of the time.
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Post by goodbet on Oct 1, 2023 21:33:05 GMT 1
Also Delano jumping into the CL when he scored. Great for optics, he hugged me like a father and son would but he snapped our brand new flag pole so the bastard owes me £8. Delano, your cards are marked, son. EDIT. Proof of the damage. www.instagram.com/reel/Cx0tJCfovYI/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==I recall seeing on MotD donkeys years ago Clinton Morrison scoring a goal for Palace, then jumping the hoardings behind the goal and clattering off up the stairwell to half-way up the stand, turning around and back down onto the pitch. No booking. Football insisting that the game is all about the referee's Out with common sense, no truck with openness and being above board and most of all no criticizing the ref's.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Oct 1, 2023 21:35:48 GMT 1
How's everyone pronouncing his name?
Darren 'Mooa' Or
Darren 'More'.
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Post by ben1987 on Oct 1, 2023 21:50:10 GMT 1
In that moment, you don’t think oh what if, it just happens. Priority is celebrating. That’s the point. I get the point, but the rules are set in the cold light of day when safety is paramount. Football grounds can never again allow it to be secondary. In. That. Moment. I couldn’t be clearer. I’m not even debating, discussing or questioning ground safety. I’m well aware of it. I’m not discussing in the cold light of day and my post showed that. I offered the other view where I highlighted the dangers albeit with a bit of sarcasm and tongue in cheek about it.
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Post by ambryboy on Oct 1, 2023 22:04:16 GMT 1
I think the way the away allocation has been created at the ground has long been a problem. Never understood this safety thing and why they can’t stick them in the top tier at the other end? This was explained many years ago. The problem is that there would be away fans walking the length of the ground to get to and from their coaches, and encountering Town fans on the way. Far too much of an excuse for a ruckus whereas Plod or stewards can see them straight in and out at the end where they are now. It really is as simple - logical - as that. Keep the buggers in then, it used to be the norm in the 70s and 80s to give the home fans time to set up an ambush disperse. South Yorkshire games were worst and we spent many an hour at Oakwell and Belle View waiting to be released.
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 1, 2023 23:06:46 GMT 1
I think the way the away allocation has been created at the ground has long been a problem. Never understood this safety thing and why they can’t stick them in the top tier at the other end? This was explained many years ago. The problem is that there would be away fans walking the length of the ground to get to and from their coaches, and encountering Town fans on the way. Far too much of an excuse for a ruckus whereas Plod or stewards can see them straight in and out at the end where they are now. It really is as simple - logical - as that. It's a bonkers excuse that though. Surely the risk sits with the more vocal fans down the south end of the stadium than the family orientated fans toward the North end? (I sit south end before anyone gets offended)
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Post by detox on Oct 2, 2023 0:22:22 GMT 1
This was explained many years ago. The problem is that there would be away fans walking the length of the ground to get to and from their coaches, and encountering Town fans on the way. Far too much of an excuse for a ruckus whereas Plod or stewards can see them straight in and out at the end where they are now. It really is as simple - logical - as that. It's a bonkers excuse that though. Surely the risk sits with the more vocal fans down the south end of the stadium than the family orientated fans toward the North end? (I sit south end before anyone gets offended) There's space for coaches behind North stand, shift the cars and you could get 20 coaches there... possibly more
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Post by reverendstarbuck on Oct 2, 2023 1:31:03 GMT 1
It was a two leg game. The fact that he was able to plan and motivate his team to overcome the deficit is why many people regard him highly. Many football journalists regard it has the best play off achievement ever. Exactly. Most managers will have a 4 0 defeat on their CV. Not many will have a second leg comeback like that! Agree with all that. However I think there is a bit of revisionism at play here, certainly among Wednesday fans given their current woes. As amazing as that second leg was, the knives were out for Moore after the terrible away leg performance, which had followed a string of bad results in their run in. For the record, I think he's a good appointment for us.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 2, 2023 5:43:38 GMT 1
Little nugget I learnt on a referees course, apparently you don’t choose one or the other. The loser of the toss kicks off and winner chooses sides 🤷🏼♂️ Well, every day is a school day! Has that always been the case or is it a more recent change? Back when I was at school (and also on early computer games) the winner of the toss could either choose to kick off, or choose the direction. If they chose the direction, the loser of the toss kicks off- but if they chose to kick off the loser can choose the direction. Anyway, my main point was aimed at those grumbling about which way we play in each half- something that statistically is only the choice of Huddersfield Town 50% of the time. Lucky for Liverpool, Man Utd and Newcastle that, even with it only being a 50% chance, they always get to play towards the Kop, Stretford End and Gallowgate End in the 2nd half of every home game then 🤔
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Post by Torquayterrier on Oct 2, 2023 8:14:16 GMT 1
I didn't realise until someone told me yesterday that DM used to be captain down here at Torquay United and is still fondly remembered so I'll continue to support him until the results get really pear shaped.
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Post by royrace on Oct 2, 2023 9:15:57 GMT 1
Whilst all of that is pretty much spot on, the phrase "safety is secondary in that moment" stands out like a very sore thumb. In that moment, you don’t think oh what if, it just happens. Priority is celebrating. That’s the point. Exactly and I bet the little lad loved it regardless of being slightly squashed! I'm sure if he was in any danger of being properly hurt the adults would give him some space even in the moment.
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Post by royrace on Oct 2, 2023 9:23:32 GMT 1
I think he cost us 2 points yesterday though. Hudlin gave us absolutely nothing when he came on, Harratt would've carried on where JK left off, ratting about and getting into them. Not happy about the change of ends either after 30 years of watching us attack the goal in front of me, 2nd half. Attacking what's basically the away end in the 2nd half seems odd when there's, at a push, only a 3rd of that stand containing Town fans. But the players play towards an empty stand with banners the alternative. They don't exactly run looking up to the upper tier. And there isn't much atmosphere there to gee them on. They all enjoy celebrating goals in front of family and friends at that end though. Personally I don't think there's any benefit attacking cowshed end in the second half and I'm not a fan of it changing at all. Teams who win the toss will often choose that way to disrupt the home side because they know its what they are used to and what they have always preferred for the entire time we've been in the stadium! Subs probably lost us the game, Delano didnt want to go off at all and Hudlin offered zero after he came on, it's like DM thought Hudlin would come on, offer and aerial threat and hold the ball up but that's the striker we never bought in the summer not Hudlin. Playing out the final stage of a game against top of the league with a team weakened in midfield and attack wasn't the best idea imo but he's obviously only got what he's got on the bench. Good to see Lees back on the pitch though.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Oct 2, 2023 9:47:25 GMT 1
Regarding the current away section. I think the authorities will also prefer them in that end as it’s closest to the town centre/ train station, I shouldn’t imagine they’d want them traipsing to the other end.
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