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Post by royrace on Oct 9, 2023 10:57:43 GMT 1
I hope you're right and it cant be easy. When we were rumoured to be appointing Fotheringham I came across a podcast interview he'd done about his Norwich days and immediately thought this guy doesn't sound in any way shape or form like he's cut out to be a successful manager at this level. Turns out I was right and I still struggle to think how he passed the interview. At least DM has a track record, he obviously is good enough to coach at this level. I'm just not convinced he isn't very average though which isn't going to be enough with this squad. I guess the main concern would be whether he comes across the same way when he’s talking to the players. Exactly, you'd certainly hope not or he'd struggle to gain their respect or any understanding of what he was on about! |
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 9, 2023 11:00:33 GMT 1
I used to get annoyed, then I thought, what would I ask, and then I thought, did I care what any manager had to say? However, I’m sure that there are some under 15s who relish any conversation with a club rep. Oggy, amongst others, trains young players how to deal with the media, so, there is training available. However, I daresay, Moore has bigger fish to fry. I think Oggy should piscine and not heard. |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 9, 2023 12:22:43 GMT 1
But if that was any other manager our fans would crucify them. Imagine if Moore does that at say, Leicester away? He was clearly trying to take the pressure off the players and get something which he did a lot of in the early days, that was his first priority when he came in. As it happened we were rubbish and it just became a game where he learned who he could rely on and who not. I think the writing was on the wall for some players after that match. It was an appropriate thing for Warnock to say at the time, it wouldn't be if Moore said it now for obvious reasons, although by the time we play Leicester we might be in a similar position. Looking at the fixtures and the way we've played the past few games (and pre Warnock) I'm struggling to see where the points are gonna come from. QPR? Shouldn't be losing that Cardiff - they aren't great. If we perform at home like we did V Ipswich, it should be minimum 4 points from the next 2. Il admit, if we don't win either, il start to worry, especially then going into the Leeds game. |
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Post by royrace on Oct 9, 2023 13:09:49 GMT 1
He was clearly trying to take the pressure off the players and get something which he did a lot of in the early days, that was his first priority when he came in. As it happened we were rubbish and it just became a game where he learned who he could rely on and who not. I think the writing was on the wall for some players after that match. It was an appropriate thing for Warnock to say at the time, it wouldn't be if Moore said it now for obvious reasons, although by the time we play Leicester we might be in a similar position. Looking at the fixtures and the way we've played the past few games (and pre Warnock) I'm struggling to see where the points are gonna come from. QPR? Shouldn't be losing that Cardiff - they aren't great. If we perform at home like we did V Ipswich, it should be minimum 4 points from the next 2.Il admit, if we don't win either, il start to worry, especially then going into the Leeds game. Hopefully, just feels like the team and some players have already regressed to pre Warnock levels and I remember them being unable to beat Wigan or Blackpool with a similar squad but with more midfield options and 2 fit strikers iirc. We really need something from the next two. |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 9, 2023 15:07:19 GMT 1
He was clearly trying to take the pressure off the players and get something which he did a lot of in the early days, that was his first priority when he came in. As it happened we were rubbish and it just became a game where he learned who he could rely on and who not. I think the writing was on the wall for some players after that match. It was an appropriate thing for Warnock to say at the time, it wouldn't be if Moore said it now for obvious reasons, although by the time we play Leicester we might be in a similar position. Looking at the fixtures and the way we've played the past few games (and pre Warnock) I'm struggling to see where the points are gonna come from. QPR? Shouldn't be losing that Cardiff - they aren't great. If we perform at home like we did V Ipswich, it should be minimum 4 points from the next 2. Il admit, if we don't win either, il start to worry, especially then going into the Leeds game. If we perform like we did v Brum, Wendies and for 45 mins against Cov though........🫣🫣🫣 |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 9, 2023 15:23:33 GMT 1
Don’t think I’ve intentionally listened to a post match Mgr interview by choice, in many years.
They’re generally the most tepid of things.
Football saturates the airwaves far too much already. I happened to watch MOTD2 last night simply because it was on, the amount of time they spend waffling on about stuff is incredible.
Bring back Brian Moore, no waffle, and a great section where they read out letters from viewers. Those were the days…
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Post by rockwall on Oct 9, 2023 17:10:37 GMT 1
QPR? Shouldn't be losing that Cardiff - they aren't great. If we perform at home like we did V Ipswich, it should be minimum 4 points from the next 2. Il admit, if we don't win either, il start to worry, especially then going into the Leeds game. If we perform like we did v Brum, Wendies and for 45 mins against Cov though........🫣🫣🫣 Come on Porroh, it's easy to look at the negatives. Them performances were unacceptable, that was clear to see. But we have shown glimpses of how we can be. Hope we see more of that then the last 2. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 9, 2023 17:15:35 GMT 1
Don’t think I’ve intentionally listened to a post match Mgr interview by choice, in many years. They’re generally the most tepid of things. Football saturates the airwaves far too much already. I happened to watch MOTD2 last night simply because it was on, the amount of time they spend waffling on about stuff is incredible. Bring back Brian Moore, no waffle, and a great section where they read out letters from viewers. Those were the days… Giving out the full postal address of the person who'd written in! Different times!  |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 9, 2023 17:23:33 GMT 1
That was the best bit. Mr David Brown from 7 Acacia Avenue, Walthamstow has written to us asking why Spurs are the perennial under achievers…
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Post by sabailand on Oct 9, 2023 17:27:15 GMT 1
Don’t think I’ve intentionally listened to a post match Mgr interview by choice, in many years. They’re generally the most tepid of things. Football saturates the airwaves far too much already. I happened to watch MOTD2 last night simply because it was on, the amount of time they spend waffling on about stuff is incredible. Bring back Brian Moore, no waffle, and a great section where they read out letters from viewers. Those were the days… This subjects been gone over a few times but everything we say still holds true, back then we might have only had highlights of two or three games, but it was still better than the modern day MOTD in which they can show all the goals but bore the arse off you with inane waffle that seems to be on longer than the highlights. Its a real shame cos MOTD could be so much better. |
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Post by frankslegs on Oct 25, 2023 11:57:18 GMT 1
Got drawn in to watch DM post match again after vowing not to and starting this thread.
Crikey it actually is getting worse.
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Post by Ibiza Town on Oct 25, 2023 12:25:04 GMT 1
To me he sounds like a kid who has learned all the jargon from football manager 2023, throwing in buzz words but actually saying nothing and knowing even less. But..he did ok at Wednesday so there must be something there? It's a painful listen though I agree. Did he though? He had a lot of good players for that division, and they failed to qualify for automatic promotion The first leg of the playoff was a total shit show with the team being set up completely wrong. Obviously, the turnaround in the second leg was amazing I went to the play-off final, and they were very very lucky to win against a much better Barnsley side, who, thanks to the John Moss style refereeing , were playing with 10 men |
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Post by dugnet on Oct 25, 2023 12:32:29 GMT 1
I have to say last night's interview didn't fill me with any confidence. There was a hint of taking, meagre, positives from what was a largely calamitous performance. Actually that isn't accurate DM tried to imply we had played well in parts - we didn't (I don't count having a go when 4 down as playing well).
It is never a good sign with any manager if you listen to a post match debrief and are left saying; "was he watching the same game". All our poorer managers in the past all suffered from a degree of delusional review.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 25, 2023 12:44:15 GMT 1
Don’t think I’ve intentionally listened to a post match Mgr interview by choice, in many years. They’re generally the most tepid of things. Football saturates the airwaves far too much already. I happened to watch MOTD2 last night simply because it was on, the amount of time they spend waffling on about stuff is incredible. Bring back Brian Moore, no waffle, and a great section where they read out letters from viewers. Those were the days… No waffle and completely biased commentary to whichever London side was playing 😁. I don't remember letters being read out on the YTV version. |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 25, 2023 12:44:58 GMT 1
If we perform like we did v Brum, Wendies and for 45 mins against Cov though........🫣🫣🫣 Come on Porroh, it's easy to look at the negatives. Them performances were unacceptable, that was clear to see. But we have shown glimpses of how we can be. Hope we see more of that then the last 2. Cough, cough 😉 |
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Post by deo1 on Oct 25, 2023 12:47:14 GMT 1
I’ve listened to his post game interviews both on Radio Leeds and on the website and believe that he’s clueless and must watch a different game to everyone else in the stadium. He’s 6 games in and we’re getting worse. The longer he has with the players the worse we are going to get. He might be a likeable bloke but he’s no manager.
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Oct 25, 2023 13:12:28 GMT 1
To me he sounds like a kid who has learned all the jargon from football manager 2023, throwing in buzz words but actually saying nothing and knowing even less. But..he did ok at Wednesday so there must be something there? It's a painful listen though I agree. Did he though? He had a lot of good players for that division, and they failed to qualify for automatic promotion The first leg of the playoff was a total shit show with the team being set up completely wrong. Obviously, the turnaround in the second leg was amazing I went to the play-off final, and they were very very lucky to win against a much better Barnsley side, who, thanks to the John Moss style refereeing , were playing with 10 men If he had a lot of good players for that division then wouldn't you expect them to have won a game or two in this one so far? Ipswich seem to be doing okay. |
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Post by Sparrow on Oct 25, 2023 13:19:58 GMT 1
It was one of the worst post match interviews I've listened to in a long time.
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 25, 2023 13:46:41 GMT 1
To me he sounds like a kid who has learned all the jargon from football manager 2023, throwing in buzz words but actually saying nothing and knowing even less. But..he did ok at Wednesday so there must be something there? It's a painful listen though I agree. Did he though? He had a lot of good players for that division, and they failed to qualify for automatic promotion The first leg of the playoff was a total shit show with the team being set up completely wrong. Obviously, the turnaround in the second leg was amazing I went to the play-off final, and they were very very lucky to win against a much better Barnsley side, who, thanks to the John Moss style refereeing , were playing with 10 men How good were that "lot of good players" in reality? Have you looked at the Championship league table?? You wouldn't expect a team thats good enough for automatic promotion from League 1 to be rock bottom of the Championship. There's not such a massive gap between the divisions, Ipswich prove that. |
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Post by k1man999 on Oct 25, 2023 13:55:07 GMT 1
Did he though? He had a lot of good players for that division, and they failed to qualify for automatic promotion The first leg of the playoff was a total shit show with the team being set up completely wrong. Obviously, the turnaround in the second leg was amazing I went to the play-off final, and they were very very lucky to win against a much better Barnsley side, who, thanks to the John Moss style refereeing , were playing with 10 men How good were that "lot of good players" in reality? Have you looked at the Championship league table?? You wouldn't expect a team thats good enough for automatic promotion from League 1 to be rock bottom of the Championship. There's not such a massive gap between the divisions, Ipswich prove that. Could say same for us a team with playoff form the last 12-15 games of last season is struggling this term. Re massive there is allsorts of rot at that club, Plymouth is a better guide and they are struggling with the step up. Ipswich have had good backing and a good manager and is a settled club. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 25, 2023 13:55:41 GMT 1
Don’t think I’ve intentionally listened to a post match Mgr interview by choice, in many years. They’re generally the most tepid of things. Football saturates the airwaves far too much already. I happened to watch MOTD2 last night simply because it was on, the amount of time they spend waffling on about stuff is incredible. Bring back Brian Moore, no waffle, and a great section where they read out letters from viewers. Those were the days… No waffle and completely biased commentary to whichever London side was playing 😁. I don't remember letters being read out on the YTV version. The pigeons must have been delayed and arrived after the show was recorded... |
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Oct 25, 2023 14:03:41 GMT 1
Brian Moore, massive Spurs fan or that is the impression you got watching him.
Going back to last nights post match interview, i thought DM was lost for an explanation we all know goals change games so make sure you don't concede. It is like he is beginning to realize this is a massive job he has got in his hands, while Warnock and Rocket Ron thrive on such a challenge.
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Post by detox on Oct 25, 2023 14:05:01 GMT 1
DM must talk a good talk though to convince Town that he is the man to deliver the KN project...i find him uninspiring tbh but he might be different in the changing room and at Canalside, away from the camera and mic. I don't know him, can't work him out..on the touchline he looks 'studious', deep in thought...but is it just all for effect, for show ? When interviewed he's monotone, there's no adrenaline flowing post game...so he's either VERY controlled or a total bluffer...
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Post by tepidterrier on Oct 25, 2023 14:41:53 GMT 1
Corberan was castigated for all his undecipherable interviews when we were losing... it was never mentioned the season we got to the play off final. it was mentioned constantly on here throughout that season. Corberan, as unclear he was when speaking, was very controlled in what he said in interviews. Warnock used them as a chance to talk players up and build their confidence, and have a laugh to draw attention away. Corberan would never talk about individuals or show emotions, only ever the tactics and the team as a whole. In a different way that probably took the pressure off the players. Moore just panics and waffles, there's no deliberation or control over what he's saying. |
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Post by turbo2 on Oct 25, 2023 14:54:19 GMT 1
Wow. Just gone and listened. Don’t normally bother. Just keeps going on about a deflection and that we conceded from set plays. What about the other brilliant chances they had to score in that first half, including an awesome save and brilliant block from helik. It could easily have been much worse
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Post by mickydombat on Oct 25, 2023 15:34:11 GMT 1
Moore needs to resign along with his uninterested cohorts. We had a man that loved Town and ev1 was enjoying it again, and then this bore gets the job.
The players might like him because he's soft, but he is a pale shadow of his predecessor. It almost pains us, but we've got to somehow get the player's to grow some in spite of the Moore-on.
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 25, 2023 15:36:36 GMT 1
DM must talk a good talk though to convince Town that he is the man to deliver the KN project...i find him uninspiring tbh but he might be different in the changing room and at Canalside, away from the camera and mic. I don't know him, can't work him out..on the touchline he looks 'studious', deep in thought...but is it just all for effect, for show ? When interviewed he's monotone, there's no adrenaline flowing post game...so he's either VERY controlled or a total bluffer... If you watch that training ground video on the club site with him on the microphone you would realise he's not. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 15:52:21 GMT 1
Brian Moore, massive Spurs fan or that is the impression you got watching him. Going back to last nights post match interview, i thought DM was lost for an explanation we all know goals change games so make sure you don't concede. It is like he is beginning to realize this is a massive job he has got in his hands, while Warnock and Rocket Ron thrive on such a challenge. Last night I just don't think he had time to process what had gone so wrong. We have seen this for years, which team will turn up. We can go from holding really good teams to getting overrun by average ones in a week. I am not sure what changes but I can only assume it is in the players heads. Chicken's 'glass jaw' analogy is a good one for me. Is it the old 'not enough leaders on the pitch' problem? Players not taking responsibility or do their collecive heads drop. I think DM was a bit shell shocked by what he witnessed and it will take time, and quite a few replays of last nights mistakes, to work out what happened. |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 25, 2023 16:16:46 GMT 1
Did he though? He had a lot of good players for that division, and they failed to qualify for automatic promotion The first leg of the playoff was a total shit show with the team being set up completely wrong. Obviously, the turnaround in the second leg was amazing I went to the play-off final, and they were very very lucky to win against a much better Barnsley side, who, thanks to the John Moss style refereeing , were playing with 10 men How good were that "lot of good players" in reality? Have you looked at the Championship league table?? You wouldn't expect a team thats good enough for automatic promotion from League 1 to be rock bottom of the Championship. There's not such a massive gap between the divisions, Ipswich prove that. They were good enough to get 96 points and only missed the autos due to bottling it. |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 25, 2023 16:17:44 GMT 1
Brian Moore, massive Spurs fan or that is the impression you got watching him. Going back to last nights post match interview, i thought DM was lost for an explanation we all know goals change games so make sure you don't concede. It is like he is beginning to realize this is a massive job he has got in his hands, while Warnock and Rocket Ron thrive on such a challenge. I know he was a director at Gillingham |
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