Is relegation inevitable?

[Dillinger]

Apr 12, 2024 22:15:25 GMT 1 malcolmbrown said:

Well 2 out of Town, Wednesday and Birmingham are going down.

You've got to put your money on Wednesday staying up.

They're the only team picking up results, so id be inclined to agree.

However, grab a point tomorrow and win next weekend and it all changes.

But, do we have another win in us?

[waggers]

Apr 12, 2024 22:19:41 GMT 1 Dillinger said:

Apr 12, 2024 22:15:25 GMT 1 malcolmbrown said:

Well 2 out of Town, Wednesday and Birmingham are going down.

You've got to put your money on Wednesday staying up.

They're the only team picking up results, so id be inclined to agree.

However, grab a point tomorrow and win next weekend and it all changes.

But, do we have another win in us?

I'd say no, I expect a loss tomorrow and 1 or 2 points from the home games. We lack fight, all the clubs at the bottom lack quality but their players have more pride and fight.

Love to be proven wrong. Could all change tomorrow if we shock us and everyone else.

[ezzie]

Copied this from a write up I did in another thread but worth dropping in here too:

I think this is it for me, we’re 3 points behind the other few infront of us with a horrendous goal difference. In the hope for survival you need help from the promotion teams to do their jobs and beat the teams around you, the back end of this season they just haven’t come close.

All the teams around us seem to thrive in the big tricky games and we crumble. The freak results from the top teams has finished us.

Leicester losing at home to QPR
Leicester losing to Plymouth away
Leicester losing agains Millwall away

QPR AND Sheff weds going on ridiculous runs of winning 5/6 games in 8/9 games and being top8 in form tables from January. Bare in mind Sheff weds had 3 points after 10 or 13 games (can’t remember which)

Millwall going on their mini run a few weeks ago when Harris came in taking 10 points from 12 games.

Plymouth having a striker on 27 G/A
Blackburn having a striker on 27 G/A

Our CB who’s had several weeks/months out with injuries is our top scorer.

We paid decent money for 2 strikers (plus Balker) who both got injured on their debuts for weeks/months..

Oh and all this doesn’t even include the upcoming games the teams around us have against each other..

Just to add, we’ve lost 25 points from winning positions this season.

[arnie]

Apr 12, 2024 22:23:09 GMT 1 waggers said:

Apr 12, 2024 22:19:41 GMT 1 Dillinger said:

They're the only team picking up results, so id be inclined to agree.

However, grab a point tomorrow and win next weekend and it all changes.

But, do we have another win in us?

I'd say no, I expect a loss tomorrow and 1 or 2 points from the home games. We lack fight, all the clubs at the bottom lack quality but their players have more pride and fight.

Love to be proven wrong. Could all change tomorrow if we shock us and everyone else.

Put your fucking money on the massive then 👍

[harris]

Apr 12, 2024 22:32:56 GMT 1 ezzie said:

Copied this from a write up I did in another thread but worth dropping in here too:

I think this is it for me, we’re 3 points behind the other few infront of us with a horrendous goal difference. In the hope for survival you need help from the promotion teams to do their jobs and beat the teams around you, the back end of this season they just haven’t come close.

All the teams around us seem to thrive in the big tricky games and we crumble. The freak results from the top teams has finished us.

Leicester losing at home to QPR
Leicester losing to Plymouth away
Leicester losing agains Millwall away

QPR AND Sheff weds going on ridiculous runs of winning 5/6 games in 8/9 games and being top8 in form tables from January. Bare in mind Sheff weds had 3 points after 10 or 13 games (can’t remember which)

Millwall going on their mini run a few weeks ago when Harris came in taking 10 points from 12 games.

Plymouth having a striker on 27 G/A
Blackburn having a striker on 27 G/A

Our CB who’s had several weeks/months out with injuries is our top scorer.

We paid decent money for 2 strikers (plus Balker) who both got injured on their debuts for weeks/months..

Oh and all this doesn’t even include the upcoming games the teams around us have against each other..

Just to add, we’ve lost 25 points from winning positions this season.

Summed up pretty well - not only are we crap, everything’s conspiring against us too. Not our season. 👋 League One

[arnie]

Apr 12, 2024 22:15:25 GMT 1 malcolmbrown said:

Well 2 out of Town, Wednesday and Birmingham are going down.

You've got to put your money on Wednesday staying up.

Do it then, how much you got, pay off your mortgage 👍

[colnevalleyblue]

Apr 12, 2024 22:23:09 GMT 1 waggers said:

Apr 12, 2024 22:19:41 GMT 1 Dillinger said:

They're the only team picking up results, so id be inclined to agree.

However, grab a point tomorrow and win next weekend and it all changes.

But, do we have another win in us?

I'd say no, I expect a loss tomorrow and 1 or 2 points from the home games. We lack fight, all the clubs at the bottom lack quality but their players have more pride and fight.

Love to be proven wrong. Could all change tomorrow if we shock us and everyone else.

Wednesday look to have the better set of fixtures too.

We needed to get our noses infront of Blackburn, Plymouth and Stoke before this weekends set of fixtures.

We had the opportunity to do all of this but have blown it.

We've failed to get on any kind of run all season. We cant keep consecutive clean sheets and don't score more than once in matches. We have got worse as this seasons gone on.

[jonbrno]

I can see Blackburn getting dragged into this - their only fixture on paper that looks winnable is Sheffield Wed (h) next Sunday. If they can't win that they may end up stuck on 46 points.

Looks like our match home to Birmingham is going to be crucial and effectively could end up being a relegation play off.

[uptownfunk]

I never write off Town. Not completely. 2 minutes from time we were dead against Millwall.. then Thomas set piece, person header, Healey goal.

Another one of them tomorrow & you never know.

[daltonterrier44]

Dropping 25 points from winning positions is absolutely outrageous, fully deserve relegation if it finally happens, we’ve flirted with it and gotten away with it a few times in recent years but I think nagel’s bad decisions have finally sent us down the drain, the fact we’re still within a shout after how bad we’ve been this season shows how open this season has been…and how avoidable relegation was with just a few decisions going a different way.

[belizian]

Wednesday 1.66
Brum 1.72
Town 1.9
B'burn 5.0
Stoke 10.0

Betfair Odds

So the bookies see it as two from three - personally I think Wednesday might escape though their gd isn't v good.

[teddytheterrier]

We have been garbage and deserve to go down. After Neil was sacked we’ve been shocking all season. Birmingham and Wednesday have both had their troubles but still in the mix.

For how bad we’ve been win our two home fixtures and we should be alright.

[iangreaves]

I don’t see us escaping again this year, I’m afraid. Well done to Plymouth last night.

[kwami-hodouto]

If we don't win today I think it is pretty much curtains.

Yes we could beat Brum, but they still have Rothers to play which should give them three points.

Can see Weds beating Stoke today which will see they leapfrog us.

Blackburn only need to get one more result and they'll be fine.

Our goal difference also means that we are effectively an extra point behind others.

Basically can't see us getting out of this one.

To have a chance we realistically need two wins and a draw before Ipswich or hope for a miracle.

[iangreaves]

Breitenreiter in his last press conference gave me the impression he knows we’re done but obviously can’t say it.

[detox]

Problem now is even if we win today we stay where we are, 21st...What seemed small margins a few weeks ago...3, 4 points now looks significantly larger with so few games left.

Every game that goes by it is getting more difficult to see an escape route, particularly as the games we were relying on clubs losing isn't happening..Millwall, Plymouth both beating Leicester being the most recent.Wednesday coming back from 0-2 v Norwich,Stoke the same v WBA..Blackburn winning 5-1 at Sunderland...we just can't get clear of the drop zone.

It all has the feel of a certain inevitability about it..we get so far..like 1-1 at Preston with 10 mins to go..then we just disintegrate, and it's that feature which has resonated all season. We know the problems, the cock ups, bad decisions etc but that's not going to help us now. AB hasn't managed to get a tune out of the squad sadly , and to be fair that's probably not his forte..he's seemingly more of a mid table type of manager plodding along. You can't really blame the players for not being good enough either..the club chose them and they're not going to turn down a contract of employment are they even if they knew in themselves they perhaps weren't good enough at this level...no, that's down to club management.

There's still a chance, of course..but a defeat today could see us 2nd bottom, 3 points adrift with a poor goal difference and in reality only 6 points to play for..

Grim times, but if there are any miracles out there please can we have one...

[royrace]

Team looks like a relegation team now, that's the worry. The majority of the fighters with the character to get us out of it are injured and there are too many 'confidence' players in the team.

It also seems like we've a manager who just doesn't seem to be able to help them either psychologically or tactically and he's had long enough now.

Looking at the fixtures there's every chance to get out of it but when you look at our team I don't think we will, very frustrating.

Compare our lot to the other teams down there fighting for their lives like we were last season at this time. I can see us finishing below Wednesday.

[Torquayterrier]

The home game v Brum looking more massive with each result.

[detox]

Apr 13, 2024 8:28:44 GMT 1 royrace said:

Team looks like a relegation team now, that's the worry. The majority of the fighters with the character to get us out of it are injured and there are too many 'confidence' players in the team.

It also seems like we've a manager who just doesn't seem to be able to help them either psychologically or tactically and he's had long enough now.

Looking at the fixtures there's every chance to get out of it but when you look at our team I don't think we will, very frustrating.

Compare our lot to the other teams down there fighting for their lives like we were last season at this time. I can see us finishing below Wednesday.

Plymouth looked like Real Madrid compared to us...we're more of a Dorking Wanderers  I guess..

[htfcfcfc]

Minimum 2 wins needed. 1 of them against Birmingham.

Despite the Millwall result it’s hard to see us getting another win

But stranger things have happened.

Leicester have really p155ed me off gifting points to relegation rivals at key times. QPR, Millwall and Plymouth were all sinking when they played them. They’d all be within 1 or 2 points of us

I know it’s in our hands and the situation is our own doing but things like that have a huge impact. On the flip side Leicester would be all but promoted if they’d have showed up in those games

[dugnet]

Apr 13, 2024 8:28:44 GMT 1 royrace said:

Team looks like a relegation team now, that's the worry. The majority of the fighters with the character to get us out of it are injured and there are too many 'confidence' players in the team.

It also seems like we've a manager who just doesn't seem to be able to help them either psychologically or tactically and he's had long enough now.

Looking at the fixtures there's every chance to get out of it but when you look at our team I don't think we will, very frustrating.

Compare our lot to the other teams down there fighting for their lives like we were last season at this time. I can see us finishing below Wednesday.

That, sadly, is a fair assessment of our position. For me we need at least a point today and also a point that lifts belief in the dressing room. Do I see that happening, unfortunately no.

If the worst is to happen I just hope we keep the cycle of anger, frustration and self pity to a minimum. Of course everyone will rake over the coals but at some point our club needs to get out of this negative cycle and actually look forward properly.

The same is true if we get a miraculous reprieve, which I obviously hope happens.

[Big Ern]

We need a miracle IMO. 3 wins from the last 4 will guarantee safety but given how many wins we have all season we are light years away from that.

Unless the players have learned how to pass a football in 3 days.

[hoggy1975]

Sheffield Wednesday went 2 nil down to Norwich and fought back to get to 2-2. Our players would have given up and we would lose by 3 or 4.

The squad has a really poor mentality which is coupled with lack of any technical ability. The tactics aren't helping the team but I am hesitant to blame the manager when the squad is so poor. I think today if we do go 1-0 up, i'd be happy for the squad to sit back with 10 behind the ball and cut out the space, try hit them on the counter, and play for set pieces. It wouldn't be pretty, but we don't have the players to control a game.

[Made In Yorkshire]

Apr 13, 2024 9:12:42 GMT 1 Big Ern said:

We need a miracle IMO. 3 wins from the last 4 will guarantee safety but given how many wins we have all season we are light years away from that.

Unless the players have learned how to pass a football in 3 days.

That would put us on 52 points and looking at the current form of the teams around us I can't see any of our main rivals getting remotely close to that figure.
I would be brave enough to put money on us just needing two wins (both at home) and possibly even less than that.
I suspect that assessment will be confirmed correct at end of play today.

[Torquayterrier]

The tightness at the top of the table does us no favours either. Ipswich may not necessarily be promoted by the time we play them. They would probably beat us irrespective but if they need 3 points for guaranteed 2nd or to win the league then we can assume nowt there last game.

[rocky]

Apr 13, 2024 8:17:11 GMT 1 detox said:

Problem now is even if we win today we stay where we are, 21st...What seemed small margins a few weeks ago...3, 4 points now looks significantly larger with so few games left.

Every game that goes by it is getting more difficult to see an escape route, particularly as the games we were relying on clubs losing isn't happening..Millwall, Plymouth both beating Leicester being the most recent.Wednesday coming back from 0-2 v Norwich,Stoke the same v WBA..Blackburn winning 5-1 at Sunderland...we just can't get clear of the drop zone.

It all has the feel of a certain inevitability about it..we get so far..like 1-1 at Preston with 10 mins to go..then we just disintegrate, and it's that feature which has resonated all season. We know the problems, the cock ups, bad decisions etc but that's not going to help us now. AB hasn't managed to get a tune out of the squad sadly , and to be fair that's probably not his forte..he's seemingly more of a mid table type of manager plodding along. You can't really blame the players for not being good enough either..the club chose them and they're not going to turn down a contract of employment are they even if they knew in themselves they perhaps weren't good enough at this level...no, that's down to club management.

There's still a chance, of course..but a defeat today could see us 2nd bottom, 3 points adrift with a poor goal difference and in reality only 6 points to play for..

Grim times, but if there are any miracles out there please can we have one...

You paint a bleak picture with not too much hope and that’s pretty much how I see it too. After Preston I’d just accepted it was inevitable and the only reason we’re still talking about the possibility of surviving now is because Birmingham lost the following night.

Far too many mistakes have been made and they’ve kept on being made all season. For it all to come together for the last 4 games isn’t very likely.

[teddytheterrier]

Win our next 4 games and we will be fine.

[htafcokay]

It's still do-able, we were in a similar position in 1987. Looked dead and buried but won our last three games and finished seven points above the drop.

[sabailand]

Even though only four games left still some twists and turns, we still have decent chance we just have to take it.

[jonbrno]

Apr 12, 2024 23:04:26 GMT 1 jonbrno said:

I can see Blackburn getting dragged into this - their only fixture on paper that looks winnable is Sheffield Wed (h) next Sunday. If they can't win that they may end up stuck on 46 points.

I know fuck all.