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Post by detox on Apr 13, 2024 14:32:57 GMT 1
Blackburn winning has pretty much removed them from the drop zone too...(with Plymouth)..
Now it's just QPR, Millwall and Stoke in possible reach above us..for now...
It could all look very different at 4:45pm...one way or the other...
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Post by detox on Apr 13, 2024 14:34:07 GMT 1
Win our next 4 games and we will be fine. I would think the odds on that are in the region of 10,000/1 |
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Post by softboy on Apr 13, 2024 14:42:11 GMT 1
Rotherham obviously gone. 2 from 3 out of us, Wednesday and Birmingham. If we can manage to stay out of bottom 3 today then we have a chance.
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Post by kwami-hodouto on Apr 13, 2024 14:52:56 GMT 1
Rotherham obviously gone. 2 from 3 out of us, Wednesday and Birmingham. If we can manage to stay out of bottom 3 today then we have a chance. Wednesday will beat Stoke. Or get a draw at the least. |
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Post by malcolmbrown on Apr 13, 2024 15:04:10 GMT 1
Win our next 4 games and we will be fine. I would think the odds on that are in the region of 10,000/1 You're missing a couple of zeroes |
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Post by blanquiazules on Apr 13, 2024 17:32:55 GMT 1
I still think winning our 2 remaining home games might be enough. But with 9 wins from the previous 43 it's hardly likely.
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Apr 13, 2024 17:37:58 GMT 1
Shafted. Robbed of 2 points there. Our own fault though. Didn't see the game out. Forget who mis controlled it that allowed them to turn the ball over for the build up for the pen.
Ref bad yes, you create your own luck though. Similar to the Burgzorg chance a week or so ago, when he should have squared it, thats not defined our season.
Rather a culmination of missed chances, late goals given away, sloppy decisions from club re: pre season, managers etc, poor decisions from refs, players not being able to control a ball, or pass 5 yards.
Add it all together and hey presto we're right down there.
Ultimately and unfortunately will see us down I think.
Now 6 points needed minimum
Remaining fixtures:
- Swansea (mid table - nothing to play for). Have to be at it. MUST win game.
- Birmingham (Relegation scrap) effectively 6 pointer. MUST win game.
- Ipswich (pushing for autos) have to avoid getting trounced.
Win today I would have felt optimistic. But, with ref fucking us late on there. Think thats us done for I'm afraid. Unless we can create a miracle.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 13, 2024 17:39:22 GMT 1
With how stupid this league is it wouldn't be surprising to see Birmingham lose at Rotherham next week
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Post by dugnet on Apr 13, 2024 17:39:59 GMT 1
To have any chance we firstly need to look at next week, it is very simply a must win. Nothing else is good enough.
Let's see where we are after that.
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Post by shawsie on Apr 13, 2024 17:44:51 GMT 1
Lets be honest - 8 4 goal concessions and 9 wins in 43 mean we probably deserve to drop. No room for manoeuvre now but tis what it is.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Apr 13, 2024 18:45:06 GMT 1
If we can keep today's effort up then we'll survive - just UTT
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Post by kwami-hodouto on Apr 13, 2024 19:07:34 GMT 1
Think that is it for us now unfortunately.
Brum only need to beat Rotherham and park the bus for a draw against us and we are done.
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Apr 13, 2024 19:10:11 GMT 1
If we can keep today's effort up then we'll survive - just UTT I too am positive like you Pete. However, my concern is today was critical. So that optimism has completely switched to pessimism for me I'm afraid. Birmingham have Rotherham next. Hard to argue thats 3 points for them with Rotherham down and out. We have to win against Swansea. Or we'd be 4 points adrift of Birmingham going into the Brum game itself. They have (Rotherham, us, Norwich). IF and BIG IF we can win that, we'd be a 1 point behind going into final day of the season AWAY needing a minimum point against high flying auto promotion chasing Ipswich. Other games around us. Stoke Vs Plymouth. Stoke win that they're safe. (Plymouth, Southampton, Bristol City) QPR have a tough run in. (PNE, Leeds, Nov) Millwall, Blackburn, Plymouth albeit not mathematically, are out of touch now with us drawing today I feel. Today was a monumental huge swing (not in the positive for us). We have 3 massive cup finals, we simply cannot lose. 6 points might not even be enough. Depending on how the next set of fixtures go. For that to happen we need all the following to happen: Us to beat Swansea Rotherham to beat Birmingham Plymouth to beat Stoke (or draw, and prey to god they lose both their last 2 games) Sunderland to beat Millwall PNE to beat QPR We need more football gods on our side, EFL, the reps, the opposition, and every miracle than we can ever imagine for that to happen. |
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Post by Big Ern on Apr 13, 2024 19:16:59 GMT 1
We get 2 less subs on the bench in league 1 so would mean the squad needs trimming further. Relegation for us will be a disaster.
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Post by detox on Apr 13, 2024 19:17:11 GMT 1
It's not over yet, more crazy results to come I suspect. Rotherham beat Brum 3-0...for instance
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Apr 13, 2024 19:21:20 GMT 1
If we can keep today's effort up then we'll survive - just UTT I too am positive like you Pete. However, my concern is today was critical. So that optimism has completely switched to pessimism for me I'm afraid. Birmingham have Rotherham next. Hard to argue thats 3 points for them with Rotherham down and out. We have to win against Swansea. Or we'd be 4 points adrift of Birmingham going into the Brum game itself. They have (Rotherham, us, Norwich). IF and BIG IF we can win that, we'd be a 1 point behind going into final day of the season AWAY needing a minimum point against high flying auto promotion chasing Ipswich. Other games around us. Stoke Vs Plymouth. Stoke win that they're safe. (Plymouth, Southampton, Bristol City) QPR have a tough run in. (PNE, Leeds, Nov) Millwall, Blackburn, Plymouth albeit not mathematically, are out of touch now with us drawing today I feel. Today was a monumental huge swing (not in the positive for us). We have 3 massive cup finals, we simply cannot lose. 6 points might not even be enough. Depending on how the next set of fixtures go. For that to happen we need all the following to happen: Us to beat Swansea Rotherham to beat Birmingham Plymouth to beat Stoke (or draw, and prey to god they lose both their last 2 games) Sunderland to beat Millwall PNE to beat QPR We need more football gods on our side, EFL, the reps, the opposition, and every miracle than we can ever imagine for that to happen. If only it was that easy to predict results. Did you see Leicester last night? Leeds and Ioswich today? Expect the unexpected. We are staying up |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 13, 2024 19:22:26 GMT 1
We get 2 less subs on the bench in league 1 so would mean the squad needs trimming further. Relegation for us will be a disaster. It needs trimming. |
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Apr 13, 2024 19:24:35 GMT 1
We get 2 less subs on the bench in league 1 so would mean the squad needs trimming further. Relegation for us will be a disaster. I know many want an entire reset and rebuild. But every decent asset we have we will lose. Transfers away that will not help us build properly for any promotion push in League 1, if thats where we end up. - Nicholls - Spencer - Helik - Matos (loan back) - Rudoni - Sorba - Burgzorg What happens to new signings? Do they get sold on to try and recoup loss in revenue from relegation? Do they or agents push themselves out? - Balker (who has looked good when fit) - Bojan - Healey We will be left with Academy lads and players who are unknown to us. Could be a looooooong stretch in League 1. Maybe worse. WE CANNOT get relegated. it will be the end for us I think. |
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Post by nutjacker on Apr 13, 2024 19:50:04 GMT 1
I’m not losing hope until I see what Jacks supercomputer says
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Apr 13, 2024 20:23:38 GMT 1
We could still maybe do it, somehow, but I can’t see it. That was one massive kick in the balls today. We played well and won that game and then it was taken away. Think that’s really hard to come back from at this stage.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Apr 13, 2024 20:26:40 GMT 1
We could still maybe do it, somehow, but I can’t see it. That was one massive kick in the balls today. We played well and won that game and then it was taken away. Think that’s really hard to come back from at this stage. Yup. Yet.... If we'd been offered a draw before kick off, we'd all have taken it? |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 13, 2024 20:37:09 GMT 1
We could still maybe do it, somehow, but I can’t see it. That was one massive kick in the balls today. We played well and won that game and then it was taken away. Think that’s really hard to come back from at this stage. Yup. Yet.... If we'd been offered a draw before kick off, we'd all have taken it? I'm not sure todays result does us much favours, drawing today probably leaves us needing to get a least a point from the Ipswich game, where victory today and beating Swansea and Birmingham probably means there would be nothing riding on it, for us anyway. I fully expect Birmingham to beat Rotherham next week, Wednesday are at Blackburn, Stoke entertain Plymouth. QPR have dragged themselves back in to it, inexplicably. Of course I'm talking 'what if's' here but all today has done now is ramp up the pressure to extreme proportions for the Swansea and Birmingham games. |
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Post by rocky on Apr 13, 2024 20:51:38 GMT 1
To have any chance we firstly need to look at next week, it is very simply a must win. Nothing else is good enough. Let's see where we are after that. Yes it is a must win. Trouble is if Birmingham win at Rotherham we’re probably going to need to win all 3 to guarantee finishing above them. That’s unlikely and I think that pen has done for us. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Apr 13, 2024 21:56:24 GMT 1
Took some hammer when I posted this thread, it felt obvious at the time and now really does feel inevitable. Sacking Warnock was an absolute catastrophe, leadership should be ashamed and if we go down it’s thoroughly deserved on that alone.
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Post by Mav on Apr 13, 2024 22:08:25 GMT 1
We could still maybe do it, somehow, but I can’t see it. That was one massive kick in the balls today. We played well and won that game and then it was taken away. Think that’s really hard to come back from at this stage. Yup. Yet.... If we'd been offered a draw before kick off, we'd all have taken it? It’s funny you should say that…. I was thinking on the way home ( in attempt to calm myself down) that had we scored a 99 th minute equaliser I would be as happy as a pig in shite …. Funny old game. UTT …. It’ll be reyt. |
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Post by boooothy on Apr 13, 2024 22:20:43 GMT 1
A draw would have been OK if Birmingham hadn’t won.
The other results you might think have no bearing also went against us. Norwich winning is bad bad news meaning teams around us playing teams with nowt to play for.
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Post by willo on Apr 14, 2024 0:33:35 GMT 1
I too am positive like you Pete. However, my concern is today was critical. So that optimism has completely switched to pessimism for me I'm afraid. Birmingham have Rotherham next. Hard to argue thats 3 points for them with Rotherham down and out. We have to win against Swansea. Or we'd be 4 points adrift of Birmingham going into the Brum game itself. They have (Rotherham, us, Norwich). IF and BIG IF we can win that, we'd be a 1 point behind going into final day of the season AWAY needing a minimum point against high flying auto promotion chasing Ipswich. Other games around us. Stoke Vs Plymouth. Stoke win that they're safe. (Plymouth, Southampton, Bristol City) QPR have a tough run in. (PNE, Leeds, Nov) Millwall, Blackburn, Plymouth albeit not mathematically, are out of touch now with us drawing today I feel. Today was a monumental huge swing (not in the positive for us). We have 3 massive cup finals, we simply cannot lose. 6 points might not even be enough. Depending on how the next set of fixtures go. For that to happen we need all the following to happen: Us to beat Swansea Rotherham to beat Birmingham Plymouth to beat Stoke (or draw, and prey to god they lose both their last 2 games) Sunderland to beat Millwall PNE to beat QPR We need more football gods on our side, EFL, the reps, the opposition, and every miracle than we can ever imagine for that to happen. If only it was that easy to predict results. Did you see Leicester last night? Leeds and Ioswich today? Expect the unexpected. We are staying up Looking like you & me the only 2 thinking this way tonight pete. |
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Post by prepare on Apr 14, 2024 2:12:49 GMT 1
I too am positive like you Pete. However, my concern is today was critical. So that optimism has completely switched to pessimism for me I'm afraid. Birmingham have Rotherham next. Hard to argue thats 3 points for them with Rotherham down and out. We have to win against Swansea. Or we'd be 4 points adrift of Birmingham going into the Brum game itself. They have (Rotherham, us, Norwich). IF and BIG IF we can win that, we'd be a 1 point behind going into final day of the season AWAY needing a minimum point against high flying auto promotion chasing Ipswich. Other games around us. Stoke Vs Plymouth. Stoke win that they're safe. (Plymouth, Southampton, Bristol City) QPR have a tough run in. (PNE, Leeds, Nov) Millwall, Blackburn, Plymouth albeit not mathematically, are out of touch now with us drawing today I feel. Today was a monumental huge swing (not in the positive for us). We have 3 massive cup finals, we simply cannot lose. 6 points might not even be enough. Depending on how the next set of fixtures go. For that to happen we need all the following to happen: Us to beat Swansea Rotherham to rtsonly not overbeat Birmingham Plymouth to beat Stoke (or draw, and prey to god they lose both their last 2 games) Sunderland to beat Millwall PNE to beat QPR We need more football gods on our side, EFL, the reps, the opposition, and every miracle than we can ever imagine for that to happen. If only it was that easy to predict results. Did you see Leicester last night? Leeds and Ioswich today? Expect the unexpected. We are staying up I don’t know about that but it’s certainly not over |
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Post by lesnarf5 on Apr 14, 2024 8:06:16 GMT 1
Noticed Sheffield Wednesday play away on the Sunday at Blackburn. If Town and Brum both win on Sat then realistically I would say Wednesday are gone.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Apr 14, 2024 9:24:06 GMT 1
Noticed Sheffield Wednesday play away on the Sunday at Blackburn. If Town and Brum both win on Sat then realistically I would say Wednesday are gone. Disagree Wednesday play Sunderland on the final day of the season so they'll beat them. Had we got what we deserved yesterday would've been inclined to agree. Think Id rather have Wednesday's fixtures than our own. |
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