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Post by harri54 on Oct 5, 2024 23:26:43 GMT 1
I don't see Pete as anything other than genuine in his comments, but I see a lot of overbearing player, team, staff & owner criticism whenever we lose and you are contributing to the overbearing critique with your comment on a supporter. I'll give you credit for being on here after a win, unlike many, but please restrain yourself when thinking of digging at one of the few remaining on here that stand up & be counted as a 'supporter' after losses. Utter bollox thanks anyway. Excuse me! My opinion is that Pete is genuine! It is clear that there is a majority of player, team, staff & owner criticism and I see that as overbearing, especially when you respond to it being raised as you do! If you weren't digging I don't know what you were doing? There clearly are very few on here who stand up to support after losses, Pete is one! Therefore, to call my comments utter bollocks, is quintessentially, utter bollocks! |
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Post by 28901 on Oct 5, 2024 23:41:14 GMT 1
Utter bollox thanks anyway. Excuse me! My opinion is that Pete is genuine! It is clear that there is a majority of player, team, staff & owner criticism and I see that as overbearing, especially when you respond to it being raised as you do! If you weren't digging I don't know what you were doing? There clearly are very few on here who stand up to support after losses, Pete is one! Therefore, to call my comments utter bollocks, is quintessentially, utter bollocks! Even more bollox We beat a very poor Barnsley side after years of total decline and everything's OK. |
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Post by harri54 on Oct 5, 2024 23:54:02 GMT 1
Excuse me! My opinion is that Pete is genuine! It is clear that there is a majority of player, team, staff & owner criticism and I see that as overbearing, especially when you respond to it being raised as you do! If you weren't digging I don't know what you were doing? There clearly are very few on here who stand up to support after losses, Pete is one! Therefore, to call my comments utter bollocks, is quintessentially, utter bollocks! Even more bollox We beat a very poor Barnsley side after years of total decline and everything's OK. I gave you a clear explanation of why you were wrong! So you change the subject, is the consensus that Barnsley were a very poor side? It seems not. Have I or Pete said everything is OK? Absolutely not, so again you are wrong! Why are you weaponising a bit of positive support from when things were less good, from a supporter, when we win? It seems you are a WUM, not those who support, as supporters might. |
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Post by dugnet on Oct 5, 2024 23:59:52 GMT 1
I find this bickering between those preaching positivity and those who are heartily fed up of continual struggle and choose to vent their, reasonable, frustration on here more than a bit bizarre.
If people want to hope for better and are prepared to believe that things at the club will turn round then that is their perogative. I don't get why people taking an opposing view should be targets of derision (NB: I am not singling any one person out here, just making a general observation).
We know what we have watched these past few years and it has been incredibly difficult to generate much enthusiasm for anything that has gone on at the club. I don't support unpleasantness, aggression or abuse but I equally understand the mood of many.
We all want the best of our football club. We want something to get behind. Positive or frustrated people post on here because they, still, care. When people stop caring we will really have a problem.
Today was a significant improvement and a small step in the right direction. What did impress me today was the attitude of the players and for the first time in a few games we looked like a coherent joined up unit. However this needs to be backed up over the coming weeks. If this starting line up can stay fit then that is possible. I do still worry about the, fit, strength in depth (to play how MD wants to). However tonight we all feel a little better.
By all means stand by your opinions but respect those with an opposing view. Hopefully we might all get on the same page, or near enough, in the future.
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Post by 28901 on Oct 6, 2024 0:06:44 GMT 1
Even more bollox We beat a very poor Barnsley side after years of total decline and everything's OK. I gave you a clear explanation of why you were wrong! So you change the subject, is the consensus that Barnsley were a very poor side? It seems not. Have I or Pete said everything is OK? Absolutely not, so again you are wrong! Why are you weaponising a bit of positive support from when things were less good, from a supporter, when we win? It seems you are a WUM, not those who support, as supporters might. Every one of your posts reads like an AI generated response. |
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Post by harri54 on Oct 6, 2024 0:06:50 GMT 1
I find this bickering between those preaching positivity and those who are heartily fed up of continual struggle and choose to vent their, reasonable, frustration on here more than a bit bizarre. If people want to hope for better and are prepared to believe that things at the club will turn round then that is their perogative. I don't get why people taking an opposing view should be targets of derision (NB: I am not singling any one person out here, just making a general observation). We know what we have watched these past few years and it has been incredibly difficult to generate much enthusiasm for anything that has gone on at the club. I don't support unpleasantness, aggression or abuse but I equally understand the mood of many. We all want the best of our football club. We want something to get behind. Positive or frustrated people post on here because they, still, care. When people stop caring we will really have a problem. Today was a significant improvement and a small step in the right direction. What did impress me today was the attitude of the players and for the first time in a few games we looked like a coherent joined up unit. However this needs to be backed up over the coming weeks. If this starting line up can stay fit then that is possible. I do still worry about the, fit, strength in depth (to play how MD wants to). However tonight we all feel a little better. By all means stand by your opinions but respect those with an opposing view. Hopefully we might all get on the same page, or near enough, in the future. I'm not bickering, I'm making it clear that weaponising against Pete is occurring. I think it's against the rules, but rather than report I'm just bringing it out into the open. |
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Post by harri54 on Oct 6, 2024 0:16:27 GMT 1
I gave you a clear explanation of why you were wrong! So you change the subject, is the consensus that Barnsley were a very poor side? It seems not. Have I or Pete said everything is OK? Absolutely not, so again you are wrong! Why are you weaponising a bit of positive support from when things were less good, from a supporter, when we win? It seems you are a WUM, not those who support, as supporters might. Every one of your posts reads like an AI generated response. Thanks, I didn't know I had the resources of the entire internet within my brain cells, or the capacity to structure & present such knowledge in a way that exemplifies what is typical across published English literature (in a loose sense of course). |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 6, 2024 7:03:21 GMT 1
Honestly can't believe that some fans seem to hate us winning because it is against their agendas.
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Post by duncfost01 on Oct 6, 2024 7:38:54 GMT 1
Yes it great that we won yesterday. Both goals coming from our midfield. In fact the midfield have scored well so far this season.
It’s the “Billy big bollox” promises that don’t happen which annoyed me the most. Just don’t say it if you can’t deliver, or haven’t got a particular deal over the line.
I don’t ever remember Dean Hoylle say “we are going to sign some more forwards - you can never have enough of them”.
He just said “we will buy players - you buy the season the tickets”.
He delivered.
Nagle and Cartwright haven’t made good on those promises.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Oct 6, 2024 7:41:48 GMT 1
To quote what you said the other day, 'How dare you?!' How dare you imply that some on here are 'quitters'? When the fact is, Town fans have put up with a sub standard product for about 5 years now (with the exception of one season) While it is not for anyone to attack your optimism, it is equally not for you to attack anyone's well earned frustration, especially given that your predictions of 'wait and everything will be fine' have repeatedly turned out to be wrong. Your personal circumstances are just that, personal, and nothing to do with what is happening at the club, stop using them as a weapon to attack anyone who questions your views. As I have previously stated on other threads, I fully support KN and what (I believe) he is trying to achieve here, but that doesn't change the fact that things under his tenure thus far have gone from bad to worse, and that, despite todays win, we are an underperforming side in league one. 'Imply'? Some folk have openly stated that they've had enough and didn't renew/are no longer attending. Am I incorrect to state that as quitting? You can be a very arrogant and disrespectful young man who has no time for anyone's opinion other than your own Well at least you called me young, after I got called old on here the other day. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Oct 6, 2024 8:20:39 GMT 1
Honestly can't believe that some fans seem to hate us winning because it is against their agendas. Do they though? I think there’s a lot of frustration. Personally I just like winning… I’m use to it, following Town is a different experience 😂 |
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Post by crux on Oct 6, 2024 10:27:40 GMT 1
Yes it great that we won yesterday. Both goals coming from our midfield. In fact the midfield have scored well so far this season. It’s the “Billy big bollox” promises that don’t happen which annoyed me the most. Just don’t say it if you can’t deliver, or haven’t got a particular deal over the line. I don’t ever remember Dean Hoylle say “we are going to sign some more forwards - you can never have enough of them”. He just said “we will buy players - you buy the season the tickets”. He delivered. Nagle and Cartwright haven’t made good on those promises. To be fair to Nagle, in the last two windows he's provided the funds/ backing to sign 4 forwards. It's not his responsibility to pick them, that's on Cartwright. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Oct 6, 2024 10:48:56 GMT 1
'Imply'? Some folk have openly stated that they've had enough and didn't renew/are no longer attending. Am I incorrect to state that as quitting? You can be a very arrogant and disrespectful young man who has no time for anyone's opinion other than your own Well at least you called me young, after I got called old on here the other day. You can find the positives when you try 😉 |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Oct 6, 2024 12:50:08 GMT 1
I find this bickering between those preaching positivity and those who are heartily fed up of continual struggle and choose to vent their, reasonable, frustration on here more than a bit bizarre. If people want to hope for better and are prepared to believe that things at the club will turn round then that is their perogative. I don't get why people taking an opposing view should be targets of derision (NB: I am not singling any one person out here, just making a general observation). We know what we have watched these past few years and it has been incredibly difficult to generate much enthusiasm for anything that has gone on at the club. I don't support unpleasantness, aggression or abuse but I equally understand the mood of many. We all want the best of our football club. We want something to get behind. Positive or frustrated people post on here because they, still, care. When people stop caring we will really have a problem. Today was a significant improvement and a small step in the right direction. What did impress me today was the attitude of the players and for the first time in a few games we looked like a coherent joined up unit. However this needs to be backed up over the coming weeks. If this starting line up can stay fit then that is possible. I do still worry about the, fit, strength in depth (to play how MD wants to). However tonight we all feel a little better. By all means stand by your opinions but respect those with an opposing view. Hopefully we might all get on the same page, or near enough, in the future. Good old dugnet, never uses one paragraph when ten will do. I'm not sure that your using the word 'preaching' is in accord with 'respect those with an opposing view' |
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 6, 2024 14:49:43 GMT 1
I find this bickering between those preaching positivity and those who are heartily fed up of continual struggle and choose to vent their, reasonable, frustration on here more than a bit bizarre. If people want to hope for better and are prepared to believe that things at the club will turn round then that is their perogative. I don't get why people taking an opposing view should be targets of derision (NB: I am not singling any one person out here, just making a general observation). We know what we have watched these past few years and it has been incredibly difficult to generate much enthusiasm for anything that has gone on at the club. I don't support unpleasantness, aggression or abuse but I equally understand the mood of many. We all want the best of our football club. We want something to get behind. Positive or frustrated people post on here because they, still, care. When people stop caring we will really have a problem. Today was a significant improvement and a small step in the right direction. What did impress me today was the attitude of the players and for the first time in a few games we looked like a coherent joined up unit. However this needs to be backed up over the coming weeks. If this starting line up can stay fit then that is possible. I do still worry about the, fit, strength in depth (to play how MD wants to). However tonight we all feel a little better. By all means stand by your opinions but respect those with an opposing view. Hopefully we might all get on the same page, or near enough, in the future. Good old dugnet, never uses one paragraph when ten will do. I'm not sure that your using the word 'preaching' is in accord with 'respect those with an opposing view' Even picking on the most rational poster on here now 🤣 I hope everything is getting better in your private life but don't start insulting posters who have no genuine malice. Completely bombs any argument you have. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Oct 6, 2024 15:03:57 GMT 1
Good old dugnet, never uses one paragraph when ten will do. I'm not sure that your using the word 'preaching' is in accord with 'respect those with an opposing view' Even picking on the most rational poster on here now 🤣 I hope everything is getting better in your private life but don't start insulting posters who have no genuine malice. Completely bombs any argument you have. 'Picking on'? 'Insulting'? It was a tongue in cheek comment For the record, dugnet is a good and rational poster but I felt I should challenge his deliberate use of the word 'preaching'. Sorry you found that so offensive on his behalf |
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Post by sabailand on Oct 6, 2024 16:08:10 GMT 1
Honestly can't believe that some fans seem to hate us winning because it is against their agendas. Well there have been a few who dont wnat us to progress and have inadvertantly admitted as much, premier league/greedy league (delete as applicable) or scratting around the championship and lower leagues, take away hope then whats the point. |
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Post by Jack on Oct 6, 2024 18:02:39 GMT 1
Nagle thinking it would be a good idea for our players to each walk out with a dog on a lead. That's not it Kev.
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 6, 2024 21:50:59 GMT 1
Nagle thinking it would be a good idea for our players to each walk out with a dog on a lead. That's not it Kev. Taken out of concept a tad that though isn't it. Another fan suggested it and he said good idea. He has hardly installed a load of kennels in the kilner bank, just appeasing a supporter. Literally finding fault for faults sake |
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Post by Jack on Oct 6, 2024 22:12:02 GMT 1
Nagle thinking it would be a good idea for our players to each walk out with a dog on a lead. That's not it Kev. Taken out of concept a tad that though isn't it. Another fan suggested it and he said good idea. He has hardly installed a load of kennels in the kilner bank, just appeasing a supporter. Literally finding fault for faults sake Not really. Nagle literally said he thought it was a good idea. I said Kev said he thought it was a good idea. Nothing taken out of context at all. Just facts. |
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Post by htafcdreams on Oct 6, 2024 22:50:43 GMT 1
Everyone is annoyed at how things are going which is fair enough. Up the Town🤜🤛
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 6, 2024 22:55:53 GMT 1
Taken out of concept a tad that though isn't it. Another fan suggested it and he said good idea. He has hardly installed a load of kennels in the kilner bank, just appeasing a supporter. Literally finding fault for faults sake Not really. Nagle literally said he thought it was a good idea. I said Kev said he thought it was a good idea. Nothing taken out of context at all. Just facts. You know what you're doing. Spinning the context to have a pop. He was obviously humouring someone. This is exactly why he probably doesn't post much any more |
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Post by DuffMan on Oct 6, 2024 23:27:07 GMT 1
Taken out of concept a tad that though isn't it. Another fan suggested it and he said good idea. He has hardly installed a load of kennels in the kilner bank, just appeasing a supporter. Literally finding fault for faults sake Not really. Nagle literally said he thought it was a good idea. I said Kev said he thought it was a good idea. Nothing taken out of context at all. Just facts. Yeah because the Leeds fans won’t dine out on that for years with the dog botherers thing. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Oct 7, 2024 0:42:24 GMT 1
Working away offshore so couldn’t watch or attend but sounds like it was an all round good performance and result.
Hopefully back on track!
See KN has kept quiet as has CD bar one simple post. Best way, let the players/manager take the plaudits.
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Post by Justasmithers on Oct 7, 2024 1:23:15 GMT 1
Working away offshore so couldn’t watch or attend but sounds like it was an all round good performance and result. Hopefully back on track! See KN has kept quiet as has CD bar one simple post. Best way, let the players/manager take the plaudits. I’ve been here and on Twitter. Nothing much to say right now- we need wins, anything less ain’t it. I’ve been down this road many times- anything I say will be greeted with a not so great response and a lot of questions above my pay grade. Hopefully we start a run here |
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Post by Justasmithers on Oct 7, 2024 1:24:52 GMT 1
Nagle thinking it would be a good idea for our players to each walk out with a dog on a lead. That's not it Kev. The idea was from another team walking out with stray dogs on a leash who need a home, and then getting them adopted at the match. I can assure you there is no part of me, Kevin, or anyone at the club that would worry about what social media would say about leading dogs on a leash if it finds them homes. 🤷♂️ |
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Post by htfcterry on Oct 7, 2024 7:56:23 GMT 1
Nagle thinking it would be a good idea for our players to each walk out with a dog on a lead. That's not it Kev. The idea was from another team walking out with stray dogs on a leash who need a home, and then getting them adopted at the match. I can assure you there is no part of me, Kevin, or anyone at the club that would worry about what social media would say about leading dogs on a leash if it finds them homes. 🤷♂️ Good sentiment, but surely you could use the resource to aid a much more important cause. I have a dog, I love them, but with things like war, cancer, child abuse and whatever else going on in the world... I think the idea could be better used. |
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 7, 2024 9:41:32 GMT 1
Working away offshore so couldn’t watch or attend but sounds like it was an all round good performance and result. Hopefully back on track! See KN has kept quiet as has CD bar one simple post. Best way, let the players/manager take the plaudits. |
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 7, 2024 9:45:41 GMT 1
The idea was from another team walking out with stray dogs on a leash who need a home, and then getting them adopted at the match. I can assure you there is no part of me, Kevin, or anyone at the club that would worry about what social media would say about leading dogs on a leash if it finds them homes. 🤷♂️ Good sentiment, but surely you could use the resource to aid a much more important cause. I have a dog, I love them, but with things like war, cancer, child abuse and whatever else going on in the world... I think the idea could be better used. Football clubs can't solve everything, but they can help solve some things on a small level. Places like Dogs Trust are constantly overloaded. (not sure of the wisdom of sticking some potentially traumatised dogs in front of a large crowd though - whilst it would have short sharp impact, I'm sure there's better ways of spreading the word that adopting and rehabilitating dogs is far better than buying from a breeder). |
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Post by dugnet on Oct 7, 2024 9:47:54 GMT 1
Good old dugnet, never uses one paragraph when ten will do. I'm not sure that your using the word 'preaching' is in accord with 'respect those with an opposing view' Even picking on the most rational poster on here now 🤣 I hope everything is getting better in your private life but don't start insulting posters who have no genuine malice. Completely bombs any argument you have. I appreciate the support, my post (as it stated, very genuinely) wasn't intended to criticise or pick an argument but to make a comment on what was/is happening. I think my use of the word "preach(ing)" was entirely appropriate, well based on my understanding of it's definition. As for the criticism of my verbosity, guilty as charged. I would note a couple of things: I don't expect everything I post to be read. My views are not posted to definitive, but they are my views an I try and be considered and balanced. If I think something needs to be called out/challenged I will do it, but in a reasoned way. I am perfectly aware that I am not always right and will always admit where I get things wrong. I post based on what I see at the time and try and take a rounded view. I don't take things to heart, people won't agree with me or appreciate my approach. That is absolutely fine. If people accuse me of things I haven't actually said or intended then I will respond accordingly. In life I am very much a glass half full merchant but I am also a realist and there are times when you have to challenge what you see. I would hope those at the club, who might not agree with my view (to be fair they see things from a different perspective with a different insight), would read (as it is implied this happens) and accept there is some thought about what I post. At the end of the day I am just a fan, a longstanding one, who cares enough to share his opinion but in the hope that might make things better. It is a honest intention, albeit probably a little naive. In keeping with what those who choose to criticise here is another long winded post  Anyway let's hope Saturday was a catalyst for an improvement and we can get back to debating the nuances of team selections and looking forward to a brighter future. Saturday was only one game but in terms of performance and attitude it was a significant step forward. I was also pleased for MD who I think is worth sticking with. He presents himself very well and strikes me as the sort of bloke who will shape his own destiny ie he won't allow any issues in the environment he works in to stall his own progression. That all said it is only one game but the fact we all, generally, felt better shows we all want the same thing - a team we can get behind and believe in. UTT |
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