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Post by mosher on Nov 5, 2024 8:53:24 GMT 1
Top post dugnetShould have tagged Justasmithers though, he might skip past such a long one 😂 Edit: normally I’d quote who I’m replying to but didn’t wanna piss the other members off by copying all that 😀 |
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Post by ldr on Nov 5, 2024 8:54:08 GMT 1
I would love to see one of those head to head face offs between dugnet and KN. Like in boxing when the gloves are off.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Nov 5, 2024 8:56:47 GMT 1
I propose Dugnet to have a 'tea with the chairman' sit down on his next visit to UK. Generally well thought out non knee jerky posts and has obviously been following town long enough to know what's what.
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Post by benhomly on Nov 5, 2024 9:58:29 GMT 1
Defensively and in midfield we maybe have enough. Upfront though we are so average. Duff only has one one player that has pace and can beat a man and that’s Miller. Koroma maybe could have a touch of flair. That’s it. 55 years of watching town and there isn’t one player that really stands out. Not one. Couldn’t agree more. Last season we had players like Sorba, Rudoni and Burgzorg who got you off your seat at times( mostly to call them shite for choosing the wrong pass) and now we have Miller who beats his man then sprays it over the bar or into the keepers hands. There’s no one in this team that takes risks (maybe bar wiles when he has a pop at times) and it’s so clear to see We look scared of scoring and we’d rather pass the ball into the net than shoot. We need one if not two strikers in January who are proven at this level or higher, and still are fit and firing (not like ladapo) and certainly with some pace. Out of all the players we've brought in over the last 12 months you pick Miller to have a go at. Town fans never cease to amaze me |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 5, 2024 10:57:19 GMT 1
I am suprised he has put much money in, whats the figure ? as thus far bar a bit of painting of the stadium. He defo has not invested in the squad , you know the thing that counts. Wah, not invested in the squad wah He’s put more money into the playing side than DH did the whole of his post PL tenure, it’s not his fault Cartwright wasted it and I can’t believe I have to post this AGAIN £3.5m last January, another £2.5m this summer, not including loan fees in both instances, not to mention the amount of cash Cartwright has wasted on manager and coaches Next will come mention of the Rudoni fee, which (again for the hard of thinking) was MORE than swallowed by the drop in income and retaining ALL non-football staff Jeebus fkn Christ Mosher , there is balance to both views here. He promised major investment did we get it ? not really , yes he invested , but not as much as was needed. He also employed said Cartwright. Plus i understand he invested and relegation cost him money, but at the end of the day relegation was also on his watch. We paid for players in January that were over priced and well imo never going to get the results needed for the grand plan of apparently premier league football.
My overall thought is there is something just not right , with all of this and i don't want to feel like this, but there is just something smelling not right as it were. For a chap with grand plans it all seems to be big statments and not much to back it up. I suppose what i expected when he mentioned said big plans and what has being delievered to date , have being a huge let down. Also what the sac fans seem to think does not help .
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Post by mosher on Nov 5, 2024 11:04:11 GMT 1
Wah, not invested in the squad wah He’s put more money into the playing side than DH did the whole of his post PL tenure, it’s not his fault Cartwright wasted it and I can’t believe I have to post this AGAIN £3.5m last January, another £2.5m this summer, not including loan fees in both instances, not to mention the amount of cash Cartwright has wasted on manager and coaches Next will come mention of the Rudoni fee, which (again for the hard of thinking) was MORE than swallowed by the drop in income and retaining ALL non-football staff Jeebus fkn Christ Mosher , there is balance to both views here. He promised major investment did we get it ? not really , yes he invested , but not as much as was needed. He also employed said Cartwright. Plus i understand he invested and relegation cost him money, but at the end of the day relegation was also on his watch. We paid for players in January that were over priced and well imo never going to get the results needed for the grand plan of apparently premier league football.
My overall thought is there is something just not right , with all of this and i don't want to feel like this, but there is just something smelling not right as it were. For a chap with grand plans it all seems to be big statments and not much to back it up. I suppose what i expected when he mentioned said big plans and what has being delievered to date , have being a huge let down. Also what the sac fans seem to think does not help .
That's just it though, you said there'd been no investment. Perhaps if you (and plenty of others tbf, sorry if it seems I'm singling you out that's not my intent) said what you meant and put something like inadequate investment people like myself wouldn't get irate about it. I've even acknowledge in previous posts that KN is at fault for Cartwright still being in post. If Cartwright is still in the job after the next window (especially if it turns out crap too) then I'll change my opinion of KN. Up to press I just think he's been naive and too trusting; if the next window is shit and there's no repercussions I'll start to think he's an opportunistic shyster too. |
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Post by Big Ern on Nov 5, 2024 11:09:22 GMT 1
Mosher , there is balance to both views here. He promised major investment did we get it ? not really , yes he invested , but not as much as was needed. He also employed said Cartwright. Plus i understand he invested and relegation cost him money, but at the end of the day relegation was also on his watch. We paid for players in January that were over priced and well imo never going to get the results needed for the grand plan of apparently premier league football.
My overall thought is there is something just not right , with all of this and i don't want to feel like this, but there is just something smelling not right as it were. For a chap with grand plans it all seems to be big statments and not much to back it up. I suppose what i expected when he mentioned said big plans and what has being delievered to date , have being a huge let down. Also what the sac fans seem to think does not help .
That's just it though, you said there'd been no investment. Perhaps if you (and plenty of others tbf, sorry if it seems I'm singling you out that's not my intent) said what you meant and put something like inadequate investment people like myself wouldn't get irate about it. I've even acknowledge in previous posts that KN is at fault for Cartwright still being in post. If Cartwright is still in the job after the next window (especially if it turns out crap too) then I'll change my opinion of KN. Up to press I just think he's been naive and too trusting; if the next window is shit and there's no repercussions I'll start to think he's an opportunistic shyster too. That's kind of where I'm at too. I like KN and I'm usually a good judge of character. Naivety seems to be the issue here, not a lack of integrity. He has invested, perhaps not to the levels we hoped for (championship our hands will have been very tied). Birmingham however are showing it can be done in this league. Not that I expect those stupid levels of money being spent but it's clear that the squad is simply not good enough. I'm dreading a defeat Saturday because it feels like things would become very sour. To the point where I could actually see Duff walking. |
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Post by richhtfc on Nov 5, 2024 11:13:42 GMT 1
If I was in Kev’s shoes and Town was my investment, I would wait until I could see a realistic way to recoup a percentage of my spending and get revenues to a reasonable level in line with other clubs of our size before chucking too much money at it.
I’m hopeful that once the stadium stuff is properly sorted there’ll be an increase in investment everywhere within the club. I’m impressed he’s invested what he has so far considering the stadium issue and what he actually owns.
His ownership is not comparable to the other US owned clubs currently.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 5, 2024 11:14:36 GMT 1
Mosher , there is balance to both views here. He promised major investment did we get it ? not really , yes he invested , but not as much as was needed. He also employed said Cartwright. Plus i understand he invested and relegation cost him money, but at the end of the day relegation was also on his watch. We paid for players in January that were over priced and well imo never going to get the results needed for the grand plan of apparently premier league football.
My overall thought is there is something just not right , with all of this and i don't want to feel like this, but there is just something smelling not right as it were. For a chap with grand plans it all seems to be big statments and not much to back it up. I suppose what i expected when he mentioned said big plans and what has being delievered to date , have being a huge let down. Also what the sac fans seem to think does not help .
That's just it though, you said there'd been no investment. Perhaps if you (and plenty of others tbf, sorry if it seems I'm singling you out that's not my intent) said what you meant and put something like inadequate investment people like myself wouldn't get irate about it. I've even acknowledge in previous posts that KN is at fault for Cartwright still being in post. If Cartwright is still in the job after the next window (especially if it turns out crap too) then I'll change my opinion of KN. Up to press I just think he's been naive and too trusting; if the next window is shit and there's no repercussions I'll start to think he's an opportunistic shyster too. Mosh - i understand your points . If you look at the stats , which i normally don't take much notice of, but we spent less than Bristol Rovers or the same as . Now when you state promotion is the goal , this does not look on face value as "doing all you can" . But yes the investment level seems low for said ambition , but yes he has invested. On Cartwright , i do think there is more to this , maybe as part of the Beswick deal, to "advice" the club, Cartwright has to stay in post or something?
Nagle has started to make statments or hinted at things that have made me worry, at the start i was fully supportive of him. But said statments and hints , have made me think "hang on a minute" . He seems to find it strange that clubs in this country run at a loss , sometimes you have to speculate to acumlate . He seems reluctant to do this , even a little really in compared to his wealth level. Which he has to do , to achieve his stated goals. He then contradicts himself in his tweets a lot prime example just the Friday game just gone. He also does not seem to understand why fans are a bit angry and mis trusting .I say this , when he was shocked/ suprised , at the atompshere at Bristol Rovers, why would our fans be jumping up and down celebrating a win like that ? I mean come on ....
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Post by ram on Nov 5, 2024 11:25:34 GMT 1
Old adage,A fool and his money are soon parted . Remedy .Sack Cartwright and stay off twitter
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Post by mosher on Nov 5, 2024 11:32:47 GMT 1
That's just it though, you said there'd been no investment. Perhaps if you (and plenty of others tbf, sorry if it seems I'm singling you out that's not my intent) said what you meant and put something like inadequate investment people like myself wouldn't get irate about it. I've even acknowledge in previous posts that KN is at fault for Cartwright still being in post. If Cartwright is still in the job after the next window (especially if it turns out crap too) then I'll change my opinion of KN. Up to press I just think he's been naive and too trusting; if the next window is shit and there's no repercussions I'll start to think he's an opportunistic shyster too. Mosh - i understand your points . If you look at the stats , which i normally don't take much notice of, but we spent less than Bristol Rovers or the same as . Now when you state promotion is the goal , this does not look on face value as "doing all you can" . But yes the investment level seems low for said ambition , but yes he has invested. On Cartwright , i do think there is more to this , maybe as part of the Beswick deal, to "advice" the club, Cartwright has to stay in post or something?
Nagle has started to make statments or hinted at things that have made me worry, at the start i was fully supportive of him. But said statments and hints , have made me think "hang on a minute" . He seems to find it strange that clubs in this country run at a loss , sometimes you have to speculate to acumlate . He seems reluctant to do this , even a little really in compared to his wealth level. Which he has to do , to achieve his stated goals. He then contradicts himself in his tweets a lot prime example just the Friday game just gone. He also does not seem to understand why fans are a bit angry and mis trusting .I say this , when he was shocked/ suprised , at the atompshere at Bristol Rovers, why would our fans be jumping up and down celebrating a win like that ? I mean come on ....
I agree about it seeming like mixed messages with what he says and what we've seen actually happen. But I also think if we'd spent £3.5m on a couple of strikers and defender last January I'd expect them to be half decent rather than the shite made-of-glass they've turned out to be - ie naivety. Perhaps we can't spend more until we've increased the revenue streams more significantly, but if that's the case KN should come out and say so, rather than say business has been "satisfactory" and MC is doing a good job, that last bit particularly DOES seem disingenuous at best. They poo-poohed the idea about Beswick holding the aces in the ATT minutes posted elsewhere, whether you** believe it or not. ** you in general not you personally. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 5, 2024 11:46:43 GMT 1
Mosh - i understand your points . If you look at the stats , which i normally don't take much notice of, but we spent less than Bristol Rovers or the same as . Now when you state promotion is the goal , this does not look on face value as "doing all you can" . But yes the investment level seems low for said ambition , but yes he has invested. On Cartwright , i do think there is more to this , maybe as part of the Beswick deal, to "advice" the club, Cartwright has to stay in post or something?
Nagle has started to make statments or hinted at things that have made me worry, at the start i was fully supportive of him. But said statments and hints , have made me think "hang on a minute" . He seems to find it strange that clubs in this country run at a loss , sometimes you have to speculate to acumlate . He seems reluctant to do this , even a little really in compared to his wealth level. Which he has to do , to achieve his stated goals. He then contradicts himself in his tweets a lot prime example just the Friday game just gone. He also does not seem to understand why fans are a bit angry and mis trusting .I say this , when he was shocked/ suprised , at the atompshere at Bristol Rovers, why would our fans be jumping up and down celebrating a win like that ? I mean come on ....
I agree about it seeming like mixed messages with what he says and what we've seen actually happen. But I also think if we'd spent £3.5m on a couple of strikers and defender last January I'd expect them to be half decent rather than the shite made-of-glass they've turned out to be - ie naivety. Perhaps we can't spend more until we've increased the revenue streams more significantly, but if that's the case KN should come out and say so, rather than say business has been "satisfactory" and MC is doing a good job, that last bit particularly DOES seem disingenuous at best. They poo-poohed the idea about Beswick holding the aces in the ATT minutes posted elsewhere, whether you** believe it or not. ** you in general not you personally. They poo poo the Beswick sport link, you only have to look at who the agent is on quite a lot of our players or post players in the last 18 months (since cartwright took the job) i can name quite a few off the top of my head, who are either with Beswick or have a link to at least.
Sorensen Duff Russell Paterson Tom Edwards Brientriter (believe it or not) Quay
Burgzorg (its tenous but its a link)
Does this not seem a lot for just one club? Plus in the summer we did try and bring in Danny Bath and Jay Rodriquez , both from Beswick.
Plus as you say we spent 3.5 mil in January which is fine by me of course it is. But the injury records of those concered, where there to be seen and we over paid big time. Which when these guys were signed , if you had any knowledge of football (nagle) should have asked serious questions before sanctioning deals at that cost for players with their records.
Plus Mosher and i know people might say "let it go" but at the moment i can't, Cartwright's and Edwards smug smiling faces when they got rid of Warnock. It was like YES we won .
Cartwright seemed annoyed that Warnock either A) didn't want any of the players he put forward ( can you blame him now) B) was annoyed that Warnock was using his contacts and not Cartwrights and wanted his fingers in the pie.
I mean to sign off on the amount of players, that Cartwright has done and yet NON of them have worked to date. All of the singings have fallen well below expectations, is something else!
Plus take a listen to his "how to be a sporting director" he did on Towns time, where he spent the the whole 45 minute interview talking about what an incredible job he did at Stoke! The man is i don't even know ...
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Post by DuffMan on Nov 5, 2024 11:56:48 GMT 1
I agree about it seeming like mixed messages with what he says and what we've seen actually happen. But I also think if we'd spent £3.5m on a couple of strikers and defender last January I'd expect them to be half decent rather than the shite made-of-glass they've turned out to be - ie naivety. Perhaps we can't spend more until we've increased the revenue streams more significantly, but if that's the case KN should come out and say so, rather than say business has been "satisfactory" and MC is doing a good job, that last bit particularly DOES seem disingenuous at best. They poo-poohed the idea about Beswick holding the aces in the ATT minutes posted elsewhere, whether you** believe it or not. ** you in general not you personally. They poo poo the Beswick sport link, you only have to look at who the agent is on quite a lot of our players or post players in the last 18 months (since cartwright took the job) i can name quite a few off the top of my head, who are either with Beswick or have a link to at least.
Sorensen Duff Russell Paterson Tom Edwards Brientriter (believe it or not) Quay
Burgzorg (its tenous but its a link)
Does this not seem a lot for just one club? Plus in the summer we did try and bring in Danny Bath and Jay Rodriquez , both from Beswick.
Plus as you say we spent 3.5 mil in January which is fine by me of course it is. But the injury records of those concered, where there to be seen and we over paid big time. Which when these guys were signed , if you had any knowledge of football (nagle) should have asked serious questions before sanctioning deals at that cost for players with their records.
Plus Mosher and i know people might say "let it go" but at the moment i can't, Cartwright's and Edwards smug smiling faces when they got rid of Warnock. It was like YES we won .
Cartwright seemed annoyed that Warnock either A) didn't want any of the players he put forward ( can you blame him now) B) was annoyed that Warnock was using his contacts and not Cartwrights and wanted his fingers in the pie.
I mean to sign off on the amount of players, that Cartwright has done and yet NON of them have worked to date. All of the singings have fallen well below expectations, is something else!
Plus take a listen to his "how to be a sporting director" he did on Towns time, where he spent the the whole 45 minute interview talking about what an incredible job he did at Stoke! The man is i don't even know ...
They need to bite the bullet and bin Cartwright off, it hasn't worked and it won't ever work. Nagle and Edwards are just being stubborn about it now just like they were with Darren Moore. Justasmithers & Nagle can joke all they like in the diaries about everything being cartwrights fault that just alienates the fans even more than they already are. Make the change and give us a project we can get behind |
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Post by dugnet on Nov 5, 2024 12:07:00 GMT 1
I propose Dugnet to have a 'tea with the chairman' sit down on his next visit to UK. Generally well thought out non knee jerky posts and has obviously been following town long enough to know what's what. That's a very kind suggestion but I would note the following: I don't need to be invited to tea, those concerned (as I believe is the case) can read my posts to get my opinion. I am balanced and I also think Mr Nagle has the best intentions. I don't however think he necessarily has considered the bigger picture of what he inherited and the personality of the fanbase. I would additionally note that I am not sufficiently arrogant to think that I am right all the time. There are many times when I am not. What I will do is call things out as I see them at that time. I will try and express how I feel as a long standing fan about what I see both on and off the pitch. I will always try and make that reasoned and try and look for solutions to issues. I will also always praise and defend (the club) too when it is merited. Essentially it isn't about me but I do care and this club matters to me, as it does to everyone who takes time to share their opinion. There are many who are more robust (diplomatic language) than me. The shame here is there are many genuine issues and frustrations that are lost in the moment of a heated exchange. If I had an observation about Mr Nagle it would be that he appears to be more willing to engage in social media spats with the frustrated that take the opinions of the more balanced. Would Mr Nagle benefit from talking to me? Me as an individual no, but perhaps taking more notice of the many others who reasonably challenge the club would be beneficial. At the end of the day this is just a forum where we all express our opinions. Everyone is valid because it is how people feel. Beyond the frustration there are some underlying themes, questions, observations and concerns that could be learned from. It is down to the club to consider that and take these onboard. |
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Post by Maynardblue on Nov 5, 2024 14:51:27 GMT 1
maybe the difference will be, that KN wont demand it back and sell off assets to make sure they get it back? Maybe KN will sell the club for what its worth , not what he in his brain thinks he deserves ? If Dean Hoyle didn't do that, I have a hard time believing Kevin Nagle will. I am very uneasy with this being the way he runs the club. I think the interesting thing for me is that Kevin previously stated the money he was putting in was 'investment' and definitely NOT loans....then the club openly admits they ARE loans. Not suggesting anything sinister but mixed messages given what happened with our 'Premier league legacy' will lead to anxiety of history repeating. |
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Post by mosher on Nov 5, 2024 14:58:03 GMT 1
If Dean Hoyle didn't do that, I have a hard time believing Kevin Nagle will. I am very uneasy with this being the way he runs the club. I think the interesting thing for me is that Kevin previously stated the money he was putting in was 'investment' and definitely NOT loans....then the club openly admits they ARE loans. Not suggesting anything sinister but mixed messages given what happened with our 'Premier league legacy' will lead to anxiety of history repeating. Like someone said further up (may have even been you): it all depends whether those loans are to be paid back. We've been down THAT road before where somebody didn't expect their loans back  |
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Post by Big Ern on Nov 5, 2024 15:05:21 GMT 1
If Dean Hoyle didn't do that, I have a hard time believing Kevin Nagle will. I am very uneasy with this being the way he runs the club. I think the interesting thing for me is that Kevin previously stated the money he was putting in was 'investment' and definitely NOT loans....then the club openly admits they ARE loans. Not suggesting anything sinister but mixed messages given what happened with our 'Premier league legacy' will lead to anxiety of history repeating. I wouldn't worry too much about it because their ain't a cat in hells chance he will recover that money in our current situation. The only way he does is if we get to the Premier league and then everyone wins surely? |
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Post by Dan on Nov 5, 2024 15:14:17 GMT 1
I think the interesting thing for me is that Kevin previously stated the money he was putting in was 'investment' and definitely NOT loans....then the club openly admits they ARE loans. Not suggesting anything sinister but mixed messages given what happened with our 'Premier league legacy' will lead to anxiety of history repeating. I wouldn't worry too much about it because their ain't a cat in hells chance he will recover that money in our current situation. The only way he does is if we get to the Premier league and then everyone wins surely? Dean Hoyle would be the biggest winner in that situation! As for Kevin previously stating they are not loans... Maybe just an ignorance on his part of UK accounting terminology at that point? Probably not referred to as directors loans in the US... |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 5, 2024 15:44:28 GMT 1
They poo poo the Beswick sport link, you only have to look at who the agent is on quite a lot of our players or post players in the last 18 months (since cartwright took the job) i can name quite a few off the top of my head, who are either with Beswick or have a link to at least.
Sorensen Duff Russell Paterson Tom Edwards Brientriter (believe it or not) Quay
Burgzorg (its tenous but its a link)
Does this not seem a lot for just one club? Plus in the summer we did try and bring in Danny Bath and Jay Rodriquez , both from Beswick.
Plus as you say we spent 3.5 mil in January which is fine by me of course it is. But the injury records of those concered, where there to be seen and we over paid big time. Which when these guys were signed , if you had any knowledge of football (nagle) should have asked serious questions before sanctioning deals at that cost for players with their records.
Plus Mosher and i know people might say "let it go" but at the moment i can't, Cartwright's and Edwards smug smiling faces when they got rid of Warnock. It was like YES we won .
Cartwright seemed annoyed that Warnock either A) didn't want any of the players he put forward ( can you blame him now) B) was annoyed that Warnock was using his contacts and not Cartwrights and wanted his fingers in the pie.
I mean to sign off on the amount of players, that Cartwright has done and yet NON of them have worked to date. All of the singings have fallen well below expectations, is something else!
Plus take a listen to his "how to be a sporting director" he did on Towns time, where he spent the the whole 45 minute interview talking about what an incredible job he did at Stoke! The man is i don't even know ...
They need to bite the bullet and bin Cartwright off, it hasn't worked and it won't ever work. Nagle and Edwards are just being stubborn about it now just like they were with Darren Moore. Justasmithers & Nagle can joke all they like in the diaries about everything being cartwrights fault that just alienates the fans even more than they already are. Make the change and give us a project we can get behind This is my concern mate, Nagle seems rather stubborn to the point of being painful. He has shown this with his "blind faith" of Moore and now Cartwright. You can talk about a "small budget" but i bet the funds supplied. Where still on a bar if not better than most other clubs in the division. |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 5, 2024 16:01:23 GMT 1
I propose Dugnet to have a 'tea with the chairman' sit down on his next visit to UK. Generally well thought out non knee jerky posts and has obviously been following town long enough to know what's what. That's a very kind suggestion but I would note the following: I don't need to be invited to tea, those concerned (as I believe is the case) can read my posts to get my opinion. I am balanced and I also think Mr Nagle has the best intentions. I don't however think he necessarily has considered the bigger picture of what he inherited and the personality of the fanbase. I would additionally note that I am not sufficiently arrogant to think that I am right all the time. There are many times when I am not. What I will do is call things out as I see them at that time. I will try and express how I feel as a long standing fan about what I see both on and off the pitch. I will always try and make that reasoned and try and look for solutions to issues. I will also always praise and defend (the club) too when it is merited. Essentially it isn't about me but I do care and this club matters to me, as it does to everyone who takes time to share their opinion. There are many who are more robust (diplomatic language) than me. The shame here is there are many genuine issues and frustrations that are lost in the moment of a heated exchange. If I had an observation about Mr Nagle it would be that he appears to be more willing to engage in social media spats with the frustrated that take the opinions of the more balanced. Would Mr Nagle benefit from talking to me? Me as an individual no, but perhaps taking more notice of the many others who reasonably challenge the club would be beneficial. At the end of the day this is just a forum where we all express our opinions. Everyone is valid because it is how people feel. Beyond the frustration there are some underlying themes, questions, observations and concerns that could be learned from. It is down to the club to consider that and take these onboard. I like this response - they have eyes on here, how about engaging with general supportive or reasoned commentary (not necessarily on DATM as its only going to become a circular discussion sifting through every word and attributing higher meaning to off-the-cuff stuff, but in the actual diaries), rather than seemingly only really engaging with the angry individuals, both directly and in the diary reflections. It would give us much more insight and help to build empathy and understanding of where the club is going...and be far more interesting than endless chatter about fried chicken or ranty fans. |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 5, 2024 16:04:08 GMT 1
If Dean Hoyle didn't do that, I have a hard time believing Kevin Nagle will. I am very uneasy with this being the way he runs the club. I think the interesting thing for me is that Kevin previously stated the money he was putting in was 'investment' and definitely NOT loans....then the club openly admits they ARE loans. Not suggesting anything sinister but mixed messages given what happened with our 'Premier league legacy' will lead to anxiety of history repeating. Directors loans into a business *are* clearly an investment, as opposed to a 'gift'. Not sure what the mixed message is? |
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Post by Maynardblue on Nov 5, 2024 16:40:49 GMT 1
I think the interesting thing for me is that Kevin previously stated the money he was putting in was 'investment' and definitely NOT loans....then the club openly admits they ARE loans. Not suggesting anything sinister but mixed messages given what happened with our 'Premier league legacy' will lead to anxiety of history repeating. Directors loans into a business *are* clearly an investment, as opposed to a 'gift'. Not sure what the mixed message is? Because he said on the money hes putting in 'are they loans? No' - seems pretty clear. Yet yesterday the club confirms the money is in the form of loans. Is it a loan or isn't it? Seems pretty mixed to me. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Nov 5, 2024 17:08:05 GMT 1
They need to bite the bullet and bin Cartwright off, it hasn't worked and it won't ever work. Nagle and Edwards are just being stubborn about it now just like they were with Darren Moore. Justasmithers & Nagle can joke all they like in the diaries about everything being cartwrights fault that just alienates the fans even more than they already are. Make the change and give us a project we can get behind This is my concern mate, Nagle seems rather stubborn to the point of being painful. He has shown this with his "blind faith" of Moore and now Cartwright. You can talk about a "small budget" but i bet the funds supplied. Where still on a bar if not better than most other clubs in the division. If Nagle had got what he wanted then Breitenreiter would still be here and literally nothing would have changed after that disaster of a season. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 5, 2024 17:18:16 GMT 1
This is my concern mate, Nagle seems rather stubborn to the point of being painful. He has shown this with his "blind faith" of Moore and now Cartwright. You can talk about a "small budget" but i bet the funds supplied. Where still on a bar if not better than most other clubs in the division. If Nagle had got what he wanted then Breitenreiter would still be here and literally nothing would have changed after that disaster of a season. Exactly Nagle seems very stubborn, if he had got his way , i still think Moore would have being in charge until it became untenable. The only reason he got the boot is because it become so apparent he couldn't continue with moore. |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Nov 5, 2024 17:23:07 GMT 1
This is my concern mate, Nagle seems rather stubborn to the point of being painful. He has shown this with his "blind faith" of Moore and now Cartwright. You can talk about a "small budget" but i bet the funds supplied. Where still on a bar if not better than most other clubs in the division. If Nagle had got what he wanted then Breitenreiter would still be here and literally nothing would have changed after that disaster of a season. If Breitenreiter was still here then there'd have definitely been changes. In the last three weeks of his time at Town, whenever anyone put a microphone to Andre's mouth he said how much needed to change. Ultimately he either thought it was too big a job for him or not worth his hassle to try and resolve the issues and take Town out of third tier English football. |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 5, 2024 17:34:11 GMT 1
Directors loans into a business *are* clearly an investment, as opposed to a 'gift'. Not sure what the mixed message is? Because he said on the money hes putting in 'are they loans? No' - seems pretty clear. Yet yesterday the club confirms the money is in the form of loans. Is it a loan or isn't it? Seems pretty mixed to me. My confusion sorry! That extra "Are they loans? No" info adds a very different context. I've not heard that previously. My post was interpreting your... "... previously stated the money he was putting in was 'investment' and definitely NOT loans.." ...as KN saying he was putting money in as investment, and the ' definitely not loans' bit being your mistakenly added interpretation that putting directors loans in wouldn't be classed as investment so can't be how he's funding ...as opposed to what I now think you actually meant which is "KN stated the money he was putting in was investment and also he stated its not in the form of loans". Given it definitely will be in the form of directors loans (as confirmed by DTS), then the most likely explanation is that whilst the legal mechanism for moving the funds into the clubs operational black-hole is via directors loan, KN in human terms perhaps doesn't see it as a "loan" - ie - something he necessarily expects to get back. Would be nice to hear him iterate that though for sure. I think he's quoted elsewhere as saying that outside the PL, football clubs in England are very investible to Americans, as they are relatively low cost compared to the cost of getting into the MLS, and with that PL gem sparkling away in the background its a risk an opportunity that rich Americans are prepared to take, even though they know it might never come off. And what we know as fans of English football, are that the chances of getting hold of that glittering prize are very remote, so lets hope he falls in love with the club 'for what it is' in the meantime. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Nov 5, 2024 17:34:45 GMT 1
If Nagle had got what he wanted then Breitenreiter would still be here and literally nothing would have changed after that disaster of a season. If Breitenreiter was still here then there'd have definitely been changes. In the last three weeks of his time at Town, whenever anyone put a microphone to Andre's mouth he said how much needed to change. Ultimately he either thought it was too big a job for him or not worth his hassle to try and resolve the issues and take Town out of third tier English football. As much as i disliked AB for shirking it, I absolutely don't blame him in hindsight. He saw through the 'all talk no substance' coming from those above and knew that the changes he needed were never going to be made. Admittedly he hasn't got a new job since and who knows where his next work will come from but yeah probably wise not wanting to work for those making decisions at our place. |
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Post by Maynardblue on Nov 5, 2024 17:56:59 GMT 1
Because he said on the money hes putting in 'are they loans? No' - seems pretty clear. Yet yesterday the club confirms the money is in the form of loans. Is it a loan or isn't it? Seems pretty mixed to me. My confusion sorry! That extra "Are they loans? No" info adds a very different context. I've not heard that previously. My post was interpreting your... "... previously stated the money he was putting in was 'investment' and definitely NOT loans.." ...as KN saying he was putting money in as investment, and the ' definitely not loans' bit being your mistakenly added interpretation that putting directors loans in wouldn't be classed as investment so can't be how he's funding ...as opposed to what I now think you actually meant which is "KN stated the money he was putting in was investment and also he stated its not in the form of loans". Given it definitely will be in the form of directors loans (as confirmed by DTS), then the most likely explanation is that whilst the legal mechanism for moving the funds into the clubs operational black-hole is via directors loan, KN in human terms perhaps doesn't see it as a "loan" - ie - something he necessarily expects to get back. Would be nice to hear him iterate that though for sure. I think he's quoted elsewhere as saying that outside the PL, football clubs in England are very investible to Americans, as they are relatively low cost compared to the cost of getting into the MLS, and with that PL gem sparkling away in the background its a risk an opportunity that rich Americans are prepared to take, even though they know it might never come off. And what we know as fans of English football, are that the chances of getting hold of that glittering prize are very remote, so lets hope he falls in love with the club 'for what it is' in the meantime. If I knew how to attach images I would put his quote on here - he does refer to his investment and he also says its not a loan. If someone cleverer than me can put his quote on that would help lol |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 5, 2024 18:07:15 GMT 1
If Breitenreiter was still here then there'd have definitely been changes. In the last three weeks of his time at Town, whenever anyone put a microphone to Andre's mouth he said how much needed to change. Ultimately he either thought it was too big a job for him or not worth his hassle to try and resolve the issues and take Town out of third tier English football. As much as i disliked AB for shirking it, I absolutely don't blame him in hindsight. He saw through the 'all talk no substance' coming from those above and knew that the changes he needed were never going to be made. Admittedly he hasn't got a new job since and who knows where his next work will come from but yeah probably wise not wanting to work for those making decisions at our place. I disliked AB for being the worst manager we employed and for the results dropping through the floor and us getting relegated from a position where we were beginning to look like we would avoid it. The fact that he could not face sticking to sort the mess out does not help is cause either. I suppose that knowing Cartwright was going to pick the players to help him out would not have help a stay decision. |
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Post by harri54 on Nov 5, 2024 18:21:03 GMT 1
Maybe your the ones out of touch ? If the chairman wants to engage with fans on twitter that’s his choice he owns the club stop criticising him for it and personally I prefer someone who is open like kev to a person we never see. The jackets and things around the stadium thing I personally like it ,the players coming off the bus to dj some people don’t like change I’m afraid and others are happy to embrace it and exited by it. My advice to kev /dave is keep doing what your doing when we’re sitting pretty in the league come Christmas the few moaners won’t have anything to moan about. Good of you to join the forum, Kev Bull registered 2012, numpty. |
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