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Post by sonny on Oct 28, 2023 17:10:33 GMT 1
There seems to be a reassuring myth that all we have to do is cling on to January when Darren 'Process' Moore will be given everything he needs to create his dream team.
1. Very little happens until the very end of the window - i.e. February. Agents, players and clubs play suitors off against each other, jacking the price up as far and for as long as they can.
2. Clubs are reluctant to sell until they have themselves secured replacements.
3. There is very little value (or quality) to be had.
4. There are no free agents.
5, Town's recruitment will be led by the geniuses who brought you Edwards, Wiles and Burgzorg.
6, Town will be in the bottom 3 and odds on to go down. Hardly an attractive proposition for anyone decent,
7. There is no evidence that Nagle has serious money (or willingness) to spend.
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Post by runner76 on Oct 28, 2023 17:17:38 GMT 1
FFS mate, PLEASE let us hang on the possibility of something good happening in January!!!!
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Post by royrace on Oct 28, 2023 17:24:30 GMT 1
Exactly, point 7 is possibly the most pertinent and the reason we yet again find ourselves needing to panic but in January. I don’t think there’s money to spend and I don’t think we have the DoF in place to spend it even if there was. Also as you point out it’s a terrible market to operate in and we’ll look L1 bound by then.
We’re fked basically.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 17:27:05 GMT 1
Nagle will sell, sell, sell to recoup his investment in January. This is just like Rubery all over again on shorter time scale.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Oct 28, 2023 17:43:32 GMT 1
Nagle will sell, sell, sell to recoup his investment in January. This is just like Rubery all over again on shorter time scale. At least Barry actually spent something first! We recouped more in the summer than we spent, so there is no debt there. The wage bill must be amongst the smallest in the division, so day to day losses can’t be Reading-esque. From the outside it looks like he’s not doing bad, loss wise. Unless Hoyle stiffed him on the actual purchase price of the club. Surely our lord and saviour wouldn’t have done that?
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 28, 2023 17:49:22 GMT 1
We had no money to spend in the summer window, the money we brought in for Camara we reinvested in Ben 'asthmatic' Wiles. We loaned in the worst RB the championship has ever seen, a back-up keeper and a greedy winger to play up front.
Even if we had some money to spend in January, do we really think our recruitment team would bring in the right players? Absolutely not!
Warnock stated in his first presser after being announced he was staying on that his number 1 priority was bringing in a striker, they failed miserably, we're now left with Harratt and Hudlin. As a championship club that is completely unacceptable, negligent and criminal.
I look at league 1 and 2 clubs with envy.
What a sad state of affairs.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Oct 28, 2023 17:49:25 GMT 1
Exactly, point 7 is possibly the most pertinent and the reason we yet again find ourselves needing to panic but in January. I don’t think there’s money to spend and I don’t think we have the DoF in place to spend it even if there was. Also as you point out it’s a terrible market to operate in and we’ll look L1 bound by then. We’re fked basically. The damage was done in the Summer. Total naivety, a belief that we had a strong enough squad to compete and the fact that ( yet again ) we could operate without a proper front man. FFP, a budget that they say couldn’t be amended ( whilst similar sized clubs all strengthened) we were fed all sorts of excuses. We all knew how weak we were both in quality and numbers. We should not be surprised that we are in this state and whilst previous owners have contributed to our downfall the current ones have highlighted catering as a key issue. I predict that very few people will turn up early to sample the hospitality next Saturday on a cold dark November in West Yorkshire when they know what we are about to face on the pitch later on. Our owners just don’t get that if you get us to a level of competitiveness the rest will follow as a natural process.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 28, 2023 18:05:34 GMT 1
The "wait and see" mob always make me laugh.
Same people that were adamant we'd be bringing a striker in during the summer.
Now it's January. Even though it's obvious all we'll do is recall Rhodes.
Then it'll be wait and see next season.
Rinse and repeat.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 28, 2023 18:06:36 GMT 1
Nagle will sell, sell, sell to recoup his investment in January. This is just like Rubery all over again on shorter time scale. Rubery backed Jackson and then Bruce to the tune of millions of pounds. What's Nagle spent?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 18:16:19 GMT 1
Nagle will sell, sell, sell to recoup his investment in January. This is just like Rubery all over again on shorter time scale. Rubery backed Jackson and then Bruce to the tune of millions of pounds. What's Nagle spent? Something upwards of £10m to buy the club? Plus another £10m+ to underwrite the losses for this season according to Deano while he was keeping the club alive in an ICU.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 28, 2023 18:17:57 GMT 1
Rubery backed Jackson and then Bruce to the tune of millions of pounds. What's Nagle spent? Something upwards of £10m to buy the club? Plus another £10m+ to underwrite the losses for this season according to Deano while he was keeping the club alive in an ICU. What's he spent on the playing squad?
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Post by goodbet on Oct 28, 2023 18:21:18 GMT 1
Nagle will sell, sell, sell to recoup his investment in January. This is just like Rubery all over again on shorter time scale. He may well try and sell, but who would pay him what he paid for Town? We have not improved
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 18:21:56 GMT 1
Something upwards of £10m to buy the club? Plus another £10m+ to underwrite the losses for this season according to Deano while he was keeping the club alive in an ICU. What's he spent on the playing squad? Nothing much, but he's in for millions upon millions just to buy and sustain the club. More than Rubery was back in the day.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Oct 28, 2023 18:33:16 GMT 1
Why would someone from 8000 miles away, where it’s always sunny, but HTAFC to spend millions on overseeing managed decline?
He’s either preparing to pull a fast one on land development or he’s puddled.
I’ve no idea what future performance related payments are due to Hoyle but he seems pretty keen to avoid paying them!
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 28, 2023 18:35:38 GMT 1
What's he spent on the playing squad? Nothing much, but he's in for millions upon millions just to buy and sustain the club. More than Rubery was back in the day. True and to me that makes the idea he isnt going to invest much needed money in the playing squad pretty illogical. It wouldn't make any sense. Why would someone for whome HTFC means absolutely nothing buy the club and then NOT invest money? So I think there probably will be money available..the bigger concern is who is going to spend it for him.
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Oct 28, 2023 18:42:36 GMT 1
We have a three year plan!! don't we, this club is only going one way as far as i am concerned
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Post by spenvalleyterrier on Oct 28, 2023 18:50:15 GMT 1
Whilst I don’t think for a minute that the board will step up and get rid of Moore (is he really on a 3 year contract??), but who would be realistic alternatives?? The 2 that spring to mind are Nathan Jones and Gary Rowett. Both are unemployed and whilst acknowledging that a lot of the fan base have no love for Jones, both are experienced championship managers working on small budgets. Either would surely be an upgrade on Mr Moore!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 18:57:53 GMT 1
The most important thing that Kev's new team can do is poach someone from the Brentford analytics crew. Their owner is by far and away the best in English football.
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Post by workshyfop on Oct 28, 2023 19:00:35 GMT 1
We got rid of the only man who could do anything with such a dreadful squad. Not much point changing and having to pay the coaching staff off again. No one could do any better.
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Post by Jack on Oct 28, 2023 19:03:39 GMT 1
Even if we must pay over the tops, which we inevitably will have to in January, it's essential we bring in a right wing back, ball playing midfielder and a striker.
The below keeps us up.
Nicholls
NEW RWB Pearson Helik Lees Nakayama
Hogg Rudoni NEW MIDFIELDER
NEW STRIKER Thomas and/or Koroma (depending upon formation)
Bench: Maxwell Turton REG Ruffles Wiles / Kasumu / Diarra Burgzorg / Ward / Rhodes
Backups to the backups... Hudlin Harratt Austerfield Edwards Jackson Headley
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Oct 28, 2023 19:04:06 GMT 1
What has happened to our scouts, do we have any anymore or is it a case that we can't compete with the bigger clubs for the signature of good young players.
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Post by sabailand on Oct 28, 2023 19:07:14 GMT 1
What has happened to our scouts.... Too busy getting it on with the guides.
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Oct 28, 2023 19:08:06 GMT 1
Brentford use to have a good system scouting for good young players in the London area that is how they competed for years signing players and selling them at a good profit. Peterborough use to have a good system has well.
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 28, 2023 19:08:31 GMT 1
We got rid of the only man who could do anything with such a dreadful squad. Not much point changing and having to pay the coaching staff off again. No one could do any better. Don’t see the point in changing the manager, we should back Moore and look longer term, even if we are relegated.
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Post by harris on Oct 28, 2023 19:08:34 GMT 1
Whilst I don’t think for a minute that the board will step up and get rid of Moore (is he really on a 3 year contract??), but who would be realistic alternatives?? The 2 that spring to mind are Nathan Jones and Gary Rowett. Both are unemployed and whilst acknowledging that a lot of the fan base have no love for Jones, both are experienced championship managers working on small budgets. Either would surely be an upgrade on Mr Moore!!! Eustace
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Oct 28, 2023 19:09:31 GMT 1
Nigel Clough
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Post by bluebeard on Oct 28, 2023 19:10:21 GMT 1
Neil Warnock
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 28, 2023 19:10:30 GMT 1
Steve Evans.
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Post by bluebeard on Oct 28, 2023 19:12:58 GMT 1
]Oh sorry, we sacked him. Zinedine Zidane
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 28, 2023 19:13:51 GMT 1
Eustace would be my choice.
Or potentially Rowett. The football would be dull as ditchwater and hideous to watch but he'd at least have us solid.
Well, if I'm being honest Neil Warnock would be my choice but that ain't happening.
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