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Post by Terriersmad on Oct 28, 2023 20:33:05 GMT 1
Weren't we bottom when he pulled the plug? He decided to pull the plug when we slipped from top to around 4th, when he sold Stewart. At least he got us up there. And didn't have the bottle to see it through. Don't compare Nagle to Rubery, at least not yet. Rubery's only saving grace is that he didn't send us under entirely in 2003 when he accepted a tiny fraction of what the club owed him. For what it's worth, I think Nagle is a completely different kettle of fish to Rubery. Rubery was a chequebook chairman until he lost his nerve. I don't think we'll get that from Nagle. What Nagle needs to do is learn, and fast. He's used to US football, where salary caps mean much of the league are in a similar financial boat, and where long-term processes get a real chance to come to fruition. There's much less short-termism. Whereas the Championship is entirely season-by-season, and window-by-window. Having a long-term plan is great, and I think given the chance it'll drive us forward. But we have to be in a position to make progress by making those short-term decisions to invest for the here and now, this season having priority over next.
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Post by space hardware on Oct 28, 2023 20:35:59 GMT 1
He decided to pull the plug when we slipped from top to around 4th, when he sold Stewart. At least he got us up there. And didn't have the bottle to see it through. Don't compare Nagle to Rubery, at least not yet. Rubery's only saving grace is that he didn't send us under entirely in 2003 when he accepted a tiny fraction of what the club owed him. For what it's worth, I think Nagle is a completely different kettle of fish to Rubery. Rubery was a chequebook chairman until he lost his nerve. I don't think we'll get that from Nagle. What Nagle needs to do is learn, and fast. He's used to US football, where salary caps mean much of the league are in a similar financial boat, and where long-term processes get a real chance to come to fruition. There's much less short-termism. Whereas the Championship is entirely season-by-season, and window-by-window. Having a long-term plan is great, and I think given the chance it'll drive us forward. But we have to be in a position to make progress by making those short-term decisions to invest for the here and now, this season having priority over next. He's the chairman over there of a club probably at the level of FC Halifax Town. Football in the US is viewed as a game played by women and kids, a thing that's not important in the grand scheme of things.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 28, 2023 20:36:45 GMT 1
Brentford use to have a good system scouting for good young players in the London area that is how they competed for years signing players and selling them at a good profit. Peterborough use to have a good system has well. Was the Posh's system or was it Fergie passing stuff on to his lad 🤷
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Post by 28901 on Oct 28, 2023 20:37:14 GMT 1
He decided to pull the plug when we slipped from top to around 4th, when he sold Stewart. At least he got us up there. And didn't have the bottle to see it through. Don't compare Nagle to Rubery, at least not yet. Rubery's only saving grace is that he didn't send us under entirely in 2003 when he accepted a tiny fraction of what the club owed him. For what it's worth, I think Nagle is a completely different kettle of fish to Rubery. Rubery was a chequebook chairman until he lost his nerve. I don't think we'll get that from Nagle. What Nagle needs to do is learn, and fast. He's used to US football, where salary caps mean much of the league are in a similar financial boat, and where long-term processes get a real chance to come to fruition. There's much less short-termism. Whereas the Championship is entirely season-by-season, and window-by-window. Having a long-term plan is great, and I think given the chance it'll drive us forward. But we have to be in a position to make progress by making those short-term decisions to invest for the here and now, this season having priority over next. To be fair it wasn't me who compared, I just responded to another comment with a bathtime analogy.
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Post by dugnet on Oct 28, 2023 20:38:33 GMT 1
January isn't an easy window, at any time especially if you are struggling.
The issue isn't necessarily the amount of money, although investment is required, it's how that money is used. I think we have to be realistic about the wages, and potentially fees we can offer but you also have to identify the right targets.
Our other problem is as we are clearly struggling players aren't going to be attracted. As a result you end up offering more than you should for less good recruits.
The summer was a real problem and it might be something we don't recover from.
Unfortunately I fear that our dodging the relegation bullet may catch up with us. If so we really are starting from scratch.
January is looking like a straw we desperately clutching for.
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Post by townrwe on Oct 28, 2023 20:54:02 GMT 1
Dean Smith Chris Wilder
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Post by Moooooy on Oct 28, 2023 21:05:46 GMT 1
This one just became available On paper QPR are a much better side than they look on grass. Glad we've had our game against them but a decent manager gets that lot higher in the table. Can see Warnock turning up there.
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Post by morleyterrier on Oct 28, 2023 21:23:02 GMT 1
Is Chris Hutchings available or perhaps Paul Jewell?.
Or even Dave Hockaday?.
C’mon Nagle, show some ambition!
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Oct 28, 2023 21:54:22 GMT 1
Well done Kev. Warnock taking the QPR job.
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Post by H7 on Oct 28, 2023 22:01:36 GMT 1
Well done Kev. Warnock taking the QPR job. They will sail to safety, overtaking us in about 3 weeks. Hope Warnock drops the masterminds behind his departure here a little message on his way past.
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 28, 2023 22:10:44 GMT 1
Well done Kev. Warnock taking the QPR job. Inevitable. We’re stuffed.
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 28, 2023 22:11:50 GMT 1
Only hope is that by taking the job his severance package is cut and that can be offset towards a new manager.
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Post by morleyterrier on Oct 28, 2023 22:14:13 GMT 1
Spit the Dog.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Oct 28, 2023 22:14:54 GMT 1
Well done Kev. Warnock taking the QPR job. Just sell the club now Nagle you absolute joke. Just when you think it can’t get worse than Hoyle we get stuck with this clown. Warnock will send us down.
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Post by aideybabes on Oct 28, 2023 22:18:09 GMT 1
We got rid of the only man who could do anything with such a dreadful squad. Not much point changing and having to pay the coaching staff off again. No one could do any better. Don’t see the point in changing the manager, we should back Moore and look longer term, even if we are relegated. He’s clueless, and if you think sticking with him whilst being relegated will be good for town then you’re clueless too.
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Post by 28901 on Oct 28, 2023 22:33:51 GMT 1
Is Chris Hutchings available or perhaps Paul Jewell?. Or even Dave Hockaday?. C’mon Nagle, show some ambition! We had our Hockaday moment with Fotheringham. Then did it again. Only fools make the same mistake twice, isnt that a saying.
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Post by 28901 on Oct 28, 2023 22:35:26 GMT 1
Well done Kev. Warnock taking the QPR job. They will sail to safety, overtaking us in about 3 weeks. Hope Warnock drops the masterminds behind his departure here a little message on his way past. Been thinking this for a while. Obvious that would happen.
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Oct 28, 2023 23:32:14 GMT 1
Even if we must pay over the tops, which we inevitably will have to in January, it's essential we bring in a right wing back, ball playing midfielder and a striker. The below keeps us up. Nicholls NEW RWB Pearson Helik Lees Nakayama Hogg Rudoni NEW MIDFIELDER NEW STRIKER Thomas and/or Koroma (depending upon formation) Bench: Maxwell Turton REG Ruffles Wiles / Kasumu / Diarra Burgzorg / Ward / Rhodes Backups to the backups... Hudlin Harratt Austerfield Edwards Jackson Headley to get up to speed I doubt it, have you seen how good we are? When have we bought Championship ready players? What/who ever we buy they will probably take until the summer to be up to speed. you are a lot more hopeful than anyone I know. You lost me when you put Nakayama in to keep us up! You're fecking joking I would never play that piece of shit again!!!
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Post by Stiggy on Oct 29, 2023 0:04:52 GMT 1
I'd take Jones. He's a tosser yes, but I think we need that to get something from this soft as shit squad.
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Post by willo on Oct 29, 2023 0:22:56 GMT 1
We have 3 options that I can think of. 1) we stick with Moore and accept the situation that he’ll nigh on certain take us down. 2) we give it up as a lost cause anyway, accept we’re going down this time but get rid of Moore and bring in a young manager from League 1 or 2 or the Continent with some fresh ideas, who can work within a tight budget and see where we go. 3) sack Moore, appoint another experienced Championship manager (realistically there’s only Jones & Rowett out there and available), give him some dough in the January window and hope to god it’s spent wisely and we do enough to survive once again but we give it a right go. I’d go for option 3 personally, option 1 just isn’t a viable option at all. But it all hinges on whether Nagel is bothered about being Chairman of a Championship club or a League 1 club, he might not give 2 hoots either way.
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Post by Sio on Oct 29, 2023 0:34:17 GMT 1
None of us had ever heard of Wagner, and none of us had ever heard of Carlos.
I'll never go along with the view that we shouldn't move a manager on because we as fans can't suggest a good replacement. The DoF and CEO should be doing constant work behind the scenes to find a good fit for the club. Moore isn't it.
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Post by pterrier on Oct 29, 2023 1:04:39 GMT 1
Nagle will sell, sell, sell to recoup his investment in January. This is just like Rubery all over again on shorter time scale. Rubery backed Jackson and then Bruce to the tune of millions of pounds. What's Nagle spent? Absolutely fuck all. To quote someone I know who works at the club, ‘There wasn’t much money before Kevin arrived, there’s been even less since he arrived.’
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 29, 2023 1:13:07 GMT 1
Forget the manager, the squad has to go. They belong in league 2 so let them go there
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Post by ambryboy on Oct 29, 2023 1:25:39 GMT 1
Forget the manager, the squad has to go. They belong in league 2 so let them go there The way things are going they will soon enough.
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Post by prepare on Oct 29, 2023 1:37:34 GMT 1
We have a three year plan!! don't we, this club is only going one way as far as i am concerned who ever they bring in town fans will say he his out of his depth wrong tactics as soon as they lose a couple!!
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Post by townrwe on Oct 29, 2023 9:23:17 GMT 1
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 29, 2023 9:25:40 GMT 1
Can we throw the rest of our games. Our goal difference wouldn’t be as bad.
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Post by workshyfop on Oct 29, 2023 9:32:06 GMT 1
Rooney should be available soon for those who wanted him here (not me I’d like to add). I feel generally disillusioned and don’t think there’s any point changing again as we sacked the only man who could keep a squad that poor up and that ship has now sailed (ironically probably to keep one of our relegation rivals up).
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Post by wildhogg on Oct 29, 2023 9:32:56 GMT 1
We have a three year plan!! don't we, this club is only going one way as far as i am concerned who ever they bring in town fans will say he his out of his depth wrong tactics as soon as they lose a couple!! With the greatest of respect, I don't think it's just 'losing a couple' though, is it? We've regressed massively over the last 7 games, to the point where we're almost routinely getting pumped. If we were losing by close margins but looking organised and just lacking a bit of luck, then things would be a lot more tolerable. As it is, even taking the limited squad into account, we look absolutely shambolic. I'm not pretending to know Darren Moore as a guy beyond his press conferences and soundbites, but he doesn't present to me as being someone who has the managerial capacity to dig himself out of a hole. He just doesn't seem bright enough.
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Post by townrwe on Oct 29, 2023 9:37:22 GMT 1
None of us had ever heard of Wagner, and none of us had ever heard of Carlos. I'll never go along with the view that we shouldn't move a manager on because we as fans can't suggest a good replacement. The DoF and CEO should be doing constant work behind the scenes to find a good fit for the club. Moore isn't it. Problem is they have gone on stats and Darren moores win percentage and developing attacking play look good. But who's looked at these stats and actually taken a deep dive into them? If its cartwright then I'd suggest he's not qualified to use stats based recruitment. Unless he quietly has a first class masters in statistics? The numbers on their own mean nothing... win % as a percentage of squad value or wages means more. I think Darren would perform poorly on that comparison. Goals as a % of xG Obviously that's a basic metric, you'd need to delve deeper still... Then you stand back and look at the character of all the candidates identified. Do a bit of research. Ask a Wednesday fan or go on their forum. See what the consensus is. Then interview candidates several times and include recruitment specialists. Then make an appointment Feels like town looked at the raw stats saw a high win % and increasing xG over time without consideration of squad value, wages etc comparative to the level and adjusting it accordingly.
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