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Post by spenvalleyterrier on Oct 31, 2023 22:01:52 GMT 1
So Jones looks like getting the Millwall job after impressing in his interview. Whilst not everybody’s cup of tea, I’m sure he would have been more passionate than Moore who appears a statue in his technical area. Also, something to be said for inviting applications for the job rather than just going out to appoint someone. At least that way you find out whose really keen on the job!!
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Post by goodbet on Oct 31, 2023 22:23:18 GMT 1
So Jones looks like getting the Millwall job after impressing in his interview. Whilst not everybody’s cup of tea, I’m sure he would have been more passionate than Moore who appears a statue in his technical area. Also, something to be said for inviting applications for the job rather than just going out to appoint someone. At least that way you find out whose really keen on the job!! I would guess that no one would be really keen on the Town job at the moment. 1) We are near the bottom of the league and heading in the wrong direction 2) We have a poor squad and any manager will want some investment in the club 3) Wafer thin squad 4) Unknown investment prospects. New owner just reduced costs in the summer expectations for the January window do not appear good. 5) The person in charge of recruitment is well out of date after spending a long time in the USA and has a reputation that could be improved upon. So we could end up with someone who just needs a job, not really what we want.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 1, 2023 7:52:22 GMT 1
Any prospective manager would ask for a copy of the squad list and turn it down based on that solely, anyone worth his salt as he knows he'd be out of a job within a year having to work with that.
Even though it's dire at the minute I see no option but to stick with Moore, we can't keep chopping and changing, I mean, we've had 4 managers since the start of last season. What's happening here is the club are paying for lack of serious investment in the playing squad.
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Post by townrwe on Nov 1, 2023 10:03:36 GMT 1
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Post by townrwe on Nov 1, 2023 10:09:02 GMT 1
Any prospective manager would ask for a copy of the squad list and turn it down based on that solely, anyone worth his salt as he knows he'd be out of a job within a year having to work with that. Even though it's dire at the minute I see no option but to stick with Moore, we can't keep chopping and changing, I mean, we've had 4 managers since the start of last season. What's happening here is the club are paying for lack of serious investment in the playing squad. So you want to stick with someone that has shown zero understanding of the game. Dramatically made performances worse and has no idea and has managed in 7 games to completely decimate the togetherness within the club? I dont mind a project manager... we are afterall probably favourites for relegation at the moment... however the key is to get the right project manager in. Act now we can build next year from the championship.. Status quo and the club will be very hard to unify. Even if Moore kept us up and we will ultimately have to act when season ticket sales and attendances fall through the floor
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Post by runner76 on Nov 1, 2023 10:16:24 GMT 1
Any prospective manager would ask for a copy of the squad list and turn it down based on that solely, anyone worth his salt as he knows he'd be out of a job within a year having to work with that. Even though it's dire at the minute I see no option but to stick with Moore, we can't keep chopping and changing, I mean, we've had 4 managers since the start of last season. What's happening here is the club are paying for lack of serious investment in the playing squad. So you want to stick with someone that has shown zero understanding of the game. Dramatically made performances worse and has no idea and has managed in 7 games to completely decimate the togetherness within the club? I dont mind a project manager... we are afterall probably favourites for relegation at the moment... however the key is to get the right project manager in. Act now we can build next year from the championship.. Status quo and the club will be very hard to unify. Even if Moore kept us up and we will ultimately have to act when season ticket sales and attendances fall through the floor Not sure the gamble of a ‘project’ manager would fit the 3 year plan to be in or challenging for the PL…..
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Post by townrwe on Nov 1, 2023 10:23:15 GMT 1
So you want to stick with someone that has shown zero understanding of the game. Dramatically made performances worse and has no idea and has managed in 7 games to completely decimate the togetherness within the club? I dont mind a project manager... we are afterall probably favourites for relegation at the moment... however the key is to get the right project manager in. Act now we can build next year from the championship.. Status quo and the club will be very hard to unify. Even if Moore kept us up and we will ultimately have to act when season ticket sales and attendances fall through the floor Not sure the gamble of a ‘project’ manager would fit the 3 year plan to be in or challenging for the PL….. David Wagner. - 2 years to the prem Carlos - 2 years and 2 penalty kicks from the prem. Cowleys - experienced thanks Chris powell- experienced thanks Mark Robins - experienced thanks. I could go on, but you get the drift.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Nov 1, 2023 10:24:50 GMT 1
So Jones looks like getting the Millwall job after impressing in his interview. Whilst not everybody’s cup of tea, I’m sure he would have been more passionate than Moore who appears a statue in his technical area. Also, something to be said for inviting applications for the job rather than just going out to appoint someone. At least that way you find out whose really keen on the job!! I would guess that no one would be really keen on the Town job at the moment. 1) We are near the bottom of the league and heading in the wrong direction 2) We have a poor squad and any manager will want some investment in the club 3) Wafer thin squad 4) Unknown investment prospects. New owner just reduced costs in the summer expectations for the January window do not appear good. 5) The person in charge of recruitment is well out of date after spending a long time in the USA and has a reputation that could be improved upon. So we could end up with someone who just needs a job, not really what we want. Like Darren Moore, perhaps?🤔
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Post by Tinpot on Nov 1, 2023 11:23:24 GMT 1
There are realistic alternative options to Moore who are out of work. Off the top of my head:
Rowett Eustace Pearson Wilder Smith
There are options at clubs lower down the leagues who are doing a good job and may do a job here:
Wellens Clough Williams
(We've probably missed the boat with Mousinho, Evatt and Manning)
Or there's the "first head coach job" appointment or "little known in this country" but been successful abroad.
There are alternatives.
My concern is whether we have the structure in place to ensure that whoever is in charge here is successful. Some managers are great at one club and dreadful at the next. How well aligned the club's philosophy is to the manager chosen.
That's my biggest concern. Moore was meant to be the perfect fit. He might eventually prove to be just that but if we ditch him now without examining why he's failing so badly we're likely to just make another expensive mistake.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 1, 2023 12:07:13 GMT 1
Any prospective manager would ask for a copy of the squad list and turn it down based on that solely, anyone worth his salt as he knows he'd be out of a job within a year having to work with that. Even though it's dire at the minute I see no option but to stick with Moore, we can't keep chopping and changing, I mean, we've had 4 managers since the start of last season. What's happening here is the club are paying for lack of serious investment in the playing squad. So you want to stick with someone that has shown zero understanding of the game. Dramatically made performances worse and has no idea and has managed in 7 games to completely decimate the togetherness within the club? I dont mind a project manager... we are afterall probably favourites for relegation at the moment... however the key is to get the right project manager in. Act now we can build next year from the championship.. Status quo and the club will be very hard to unify. Even if Moore kept us up and we will ultimately have to act when season ticket sales and attendances fall through the floor Are you totally oblivious to the fact that no manager with a decent reputation is going to come to Town with that squad at his disposal and a limited transfer kitty, you're only going to get a cheap option or an upcoming manager looking to prove himself. Seriously, do you think they are going to sack Moore anytime soon?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 1, 2023 12:10:27 GMT 1
There are realistic alternative options to Moore who are out of work. Off the top of my head: Rowett Eustace Pearson Wilder Smith There are options at clubs lower down the leagues who are doing a good job and may do a job here: Wellens Clough Williams (We've probably missed the boat with Mousinho, Evatt and Manning) Or there's the "first head coach job" appointment or "little known in this country" but been successful abroad. There are alternatives. My concern is whether we have the structure in place to ensure that whoever is in charge here is successful. Some managers are great at one club and dreadful at the next. How well aligned the club's philosophy is to the manager chosen. That's my biggest concern. Moore was meant to be the perfect fit. He might eventually prove to be just that but if we ditch him now without examining why he's failing so badly we're likely to just make another expensive mistake. None of the first 5 you mention need the cash or the hassle given the lack of opportunity to improve things at Town, crap squad, limited budget. The 2nd 3 might come but Clough has managed at this level before and done sod all and it's taken a while at Mansfield to get them in to promotion contenders. Wellens, umm, the jury would be out on him. Williams? Who is he?
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Nov 1, 2023 12:30:48 GMT 1
I’d take Mark Robins back 100% Done a great job at Coventry. Could do a brilliant rebuilding job here.
The football world is very unreasonable and sounds like Coventry want him out ASAP.
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 1, 2023 12:34:03 GMT 1
I’d take Mark Robins back 100% Done a great job at Coventry. Could do a brilliant rebuilding job here. The football world is very unreasonable and sounds like Coventry want him out ASAP. There's no way he'd come back here after the way things ended.
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Post by Tinpot on Nov 1, 2023 12:38:44 GMT 1
There are realistic alternative options to Moore who are out of work. Off the top of my head: Rowett Eustace Pearson Wilder Smith There are options at clubs lower down the leagues who are doing a good job and may do a job here: Wellens Clough Williams (We've probably missed the boat with Mousinho, Evatt and Manning) Or there's the "first head coach job" appointment or "little known in this country" but been successful abroad. There are alternatives. My concern is whether we have the structure in place to ensure that whoever is in charge here is successful. Some managers are great at one club and dreadful at the next. How well aligned the club's philosophy is to the manager chosen. That's my biggest concern. Moore was meant to be the perfect fit. He might eventually prove to be just that but if we ditch him now without examining why he's failing so badly we're likely to just make another expensive mistake. None of the first 5 you mention need the cash or the hassle given the lack of opportunity to improve things at Town, crap squad, limited budget. The 2nd 3 might come but Clough has managed at this level before and done sod all and it's taken a while at Mansfield to get them in to promotion contenders. Wellens, umm, the jury would be out on him. Williams? Who is he? Williams is Notts County. As for the others, who knows? One thing is our stock has fallen since Neil Warnock left. Had he stayed until now, we may well have been able to attract them. We still might be able to. But my main concern is the recruitment process. There are alarm bells ringing for me, not just about Darren Moore but also Mark Cartwright. I'm not writing either of them off just yet, but on balance from what I can see, they're both more likely to fail here than succeed.
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Post by ram on Nov 1, 2023 12:48:14 GMT 1
Now I come to think of it,Darren Moore is just like Forrest Gump,"life is a bowl of cherries" after all!
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Post by RickDangerous on Nov 1, 2023 12:51:27 GMT 1
I’d take Mark Robins back 100% Done a great job at Coventry. Could do a brilliant rebuilding job here. The football world is very unreasonable and sounds like Coventry want him out ASAP. There's no way he'd come back here after the way things ended. We are an entirely different football club now, if he was out of work he'd jump at it with the promise of the right financial backing - unless working with jonny hogg would bring back too many bad memories (think he's the only one that would have crossed paths with him at town)
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Post by mosher on Nov 1, 2023 13:11:19 GMT 1
Aye, 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it' - George Santayana. I used to have a couple of his albums. Oye cómo va was a great single too! 🎸🎵🎶 Extraordinary guitarist but could never get into his songs.
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Post by wigster on Nov 1, 2023 13:11:46 GMT 1
I'm not a Darren Moore fan at all at the moment but, for me, this conversation is ridiculous.
He's hardly been here very long and the squad he's been landed with is appalling. Never mind the injury list.
Give the man a chance.
At best, he's actually got a good managerial record (in spite of rather inane comments like "he only just got them promoted"!!) and at worst there's no obvious candidate to replace him. The thought of Nigel Pearson, for example, is horrendous.
Give the guy a chance and if by January we are still playing like this then by all means replace him.
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 1, 2023 13:25:48 GMT 1
I'm not a Darren Moore fan at all at the moment but, for me, this conversation is ridiculous. He's hardly been here very long and the squad he's been landed with is appalling. Never mind the injury list. Give the man a chance. At best, he's actually got a good managerial record (in spite of rather inane comments like "he only just got them promoted"!!) and at worst there's no obvious candidate to replace him. The thought of Nigel Pearson, for example, is horrendous. Give the guy a chance and if by January we are still playing like this then by all means replace him. If we are still playing like this in January it'll be too late
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Post by Tinpot on Nov 1, 2023 13:49:23 GMT 1
I'm not a Darren Moore fan at all at the moment but, for me, this conversation is ridiculous. He's hardly been here very long and the squad he's been landed with is appalling. Never mind the injury list. Give the man a chance. At best, he's actually got a good managerial record (in spite of rather inane comments like "he only just got them promoted"!!) and at worst there's no obvious candidate to replace him. The thought of Nigel Pearson, for example, is horrendous. Give the guy a chance and if by January we are still playing like this then by all means replace him. If we are still playing like this in January it'll be too late This is both part of my concern and an example of the unfair nature of football. I haven't written him off yet. There are arguably mitigating circumstances that might explain why things are so bad. They have at least contributed to the issue. BUT, if you wait until he's been given every chance, the likelihood is that we're preparing for the division below. I still think it's too early to bin him off. By the end of this month I may well think otherwise.
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Post by rab030 on Nov 1, 2023 14:12:37 GMT 1
I'm not a Darren Moore fan at all at the moment but, for me, this conversation is ridiculous. He's hardly been here very long and the squad he's been landed with is appalling. Never mind the injury list. Give the man a chance. At best, he's actually got a good managerial record (in spite of rather inane comments like "he only just got them promoted"!!) and at worst there's no obvious candidate to replace him. The thought of Nigel Pearson, for example, is horrendous. Give the guy a chance and if by January we are still playing like this then by all means replace him. If we are still playing like this in January it'll be too late Too late for what? We have a squad that you say in only fit for Div1/2 - you might be right We have a Chairman that might not want/be able to put his hand in his pocket to sigh loads of new players We might as a consequence go down and have to rebuild. Nobody got hurt, nobody died and we still have a club to support. Maybe all of this is because we made a complete mess of the PL money we received, and finished up with a club that was seriously in debt and still losing money every month.
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Post by CowshedJack on Nov 1, 2023 14:15:33 GMT 1
Does anyone not realise paying DM compensation will take a good chunk out of a transfer budget?
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 1, 2023 14:16:06 GMT 1
Does anyone not realise paying DM compensation will take a good chunk out of a transfer budget? What transfer budget?
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Post by RickDangerous on Nov 1, 2023 14:20:26 GMT 1
Does anyone not realise paying DM compensation will take a good chunk out of a transfer budget? Get him on the trade descriptions act of impersonating a manager.
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 1, 2023 15:13:28 GMT 1
If we are still playing like this in January it'll be too late Too late for what? We have a squad that you say in only fit for Div1/2 - you might be right We have a Chairman that might not want/be able to put his hand in his pocket to sigh loads of new players We might as a consequence go down and have to rebuild. Nobody got hurt, nobody died and we still have a club to support. Maybe all of this is because we made a complete mess of the PL money we received, and finished up with a club that was seriously in debt and still losing money every month. Whoopy-fucking-do !
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Post by royrace on Nov 1, 2023 16:20:05 GMT 1
Does anyone not realise paying DM compensation will take a good chunk out of a transfer budget? Paying Warnock and team up probably didn't help either.
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Post by goodbet on Nov 1, 2023 21:52:14 GMT 1
I'm not a Darren Moore fan at all at the moment but, for me, this conversation is ridiculous. He's hardly been here very long and the squad he's been landed with is appalling. Never mind the injury list. Give the man a chance. At best, he's actually got a good managerial record (in spite of rather inane comments like "he only just got them promoted"!!) and at worst there's no obvious candidate to replace him. The thought of Nigel Pearson, for example, is horrendous. Give the guy a chance and if by January we are still playing like this then by all means replace him If things do not improve we will need a new manager before the window opens in January with an agreement with Cartwright (assuming that he will still be here) on what is required. I see that the club should have a short list ready and make a decision after no more that four more games. This would allow us to get a new manager in and have an assessment of the squad before the window opens. Any later and we will not have the right conditions to get things back on track.
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Post by Bilo the Bantam on Nov 1, 2023 22:15:24 GMT 1
I'm not a Darren Moore fan at all at the moment but, for me, this conversation is ridiculous. He's hardly been here very long and the squad he's been landed with is appalling. Never mind the injury list. Give the man a chance. At best, he's actually got a good managerial record (in spite of rather inane comments like "he only just got them promoted"!!) and at worst there's no obvious candidate to replace him. The thought of Nigel Pearson, for example, is horrendous. Give the guy a chance and if by January we are still playing like this then by all means replace him. The fans not prepared to give Moore a chance seem to be the same fans saying the squad is terrible.. Forgetting Warnock, I’m not sure what they expect.
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 1, 2023 22:44:25 GMT 1
I'm not a Darren Moore fan at all at the moment but, for me, this conversation is ridiculous. He's hardly been here very long and the squad he's been landed with is appalling. Never mind the injury list. Give the man a chance. At best, he's actually got a good managerial record (in spite of rather inane comments like "he only just got them promoted"!!) and at worst there's no obvious candidate to replace him. The thought of Nigel Pearson, for example, is horrendous. Give the guy a chance and if by January we are still playing like this then by all means replace him. The fans not prepared to give Moore a chance seem to be the same fans saying the squad is terrible.. Forgetting Warnock, I’m not sure what they expect. The squad isn't great but Colin was getting a tune out of them. Under Big Dave, since he got hold of them, they'd struggle to beat your lot 😖. I'd lend him the bus fare for an X6 if City would take him.
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Post by willo on Nov 2, 2023 1:19:02 GMT 1
I'm not a Darren Moore fan at all at the moment but, for me, this conversation is ridiculous. He's hardly been here very long and the squad he's been landed with is appalling. Never mind the injury list. Give the man a chance. At best, he's actually got a good managerial record (in spite of rather inane comments like "he only just got them promoted"!!) and at worst there's no obvious candidate to replace him. The thought of Nigel Pearson, for example, is horrendous. Give the guy a chance and if by January we are still playing like this then by all means replace him If things do not improve we will need a new manager before the window opens in January with an agreement with Cartwright (assuming that he will still be here) on what is required. I see that the club should have a short list ready and make a decision after no more that four more games. This would allow us to get a new manager in and have an assessment of the squad before the window opens. Any later and we will not have the right conditions to get things back on track. Makes total sense and what I’ve been advocating. Let’s assume things don’t improve over the course of the next 4 weeks, the board will simply have to suck it up, hold their hands up and accept they dropped a huge clanger and make a change and hope there is a viable alternative out there to Moore. Otherwise, they’re accepting of the fact we’re likely going to be relegated.
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