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Post by runner76 on Nov 1, 2023 9:58:32 GMT 1
Was surprised last night to see Reading bottom of the third division…..to think we narrowly beat them to gain PL promotion.
Could be worse, eh?!
Also, if you consider the PL being the modern era of football, teams in the two divisions below Town who spent LONGER in the PL, and likely feel they should be doing better….
Bolton Charlton Derby Portsmouth Wigan
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Post by runner76 on Nov 1, 2023 10:04:57 GMT 1
Also, whilst I had the stats to hand….clubs in the Championship who have spent longer in the PL than Town, so likely think they are ‘bigger’ clubs just FYI :
Birmingham Blackburn Coventry Hull Ipswich Leeds Leicester Middlesbrough Norwich QPR Sheffield Wednesday Southampton Stoke Sunderland Swansea Watford West Brom
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Post by townrwe on Nov 1, 2023 10:18:24 GMT 1
Club history means nothing. History is created in the now.
Woolworths used to dominate the high street. Blockbuster etc.
If you stay still and accept status quo because its worked in the past... that's where you'll end up.
Come on Kev.... enough is enough.
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Post by runner76 on Nov 1, 2023 10:23:35 GMT 1
Club history means nothing. History is created in the now. Woolworths used to dominate the high street. Blockbuster etc. If you stay still and accept status quo because its worked in the past... that's where you'll end up. Come on Kev.... enough is enough. Well, we are definitely not creating any memorable moments of future history right now…..;;
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Post by horaceofhorbury on Nov 1, 2023 10:28:44 GMT 1
In a similar vein a quick look at the Championship league table and 5 teams have already replaced the manager. One of them was in 6th place (I think) when the change was made. They are now 14th. The sword of Damocles hangs over two or three more including the saintly Mr Wagner whose name was being sung in high praise only a few weeks ago and yet now, as reported by BBC sport, he has lost the fan base and they want him out. And he can't be described as a poor communicator and lacking Championship experience. However, just like Mr Moore, he is handicapped by injuries to key players.
It's only the 1st of November and the attrition rate is accelerating! Anyone bet against 50% of the teams changing manager by January?
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Post by Tinpot on Nov 1, 2023 10:38:01 GMT 1
In a similar vein a quick look at the Championship league table and 5 teams have already replaced the manager. One of them was in 6th place (I think) when the change was made. They are now 14th. The sword of Damocles hangs over two or three more including the saintly Mr Wagner whose name was being sung in high praise only a few weeks ago and yet now, as reported by BBC sport, he has lost the fan base and they want him out. And he can't be described as a poor communicator and lacking Championship experience. However, just like Mr Moore, he is handicapped by injuries to key players. It's only the 1st of November and the attrition rate is accelerating! Anyone bet against 50% of the teams changing manager by January? And Watford aren't one of them! Ironic really, given that they actually ARE shit enough at the moment to justify ditching him.
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Post by benhomly on Nov 1, 2023 10:43:53 GMT 1
In conclusion then, what the thread is suggesting is that we belong in L1? What I do know is (for me) it's been bloody boring for most of our time in the Championship. We don't even get a cup run to relieve the boredom either.
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Post by runner76 on Nov 1, 2023 11:03:49 GMT 1
In conclusion then, what the thread is suggesting is that we belong in L1? What I do know is (for me) it's been bloody boring for most of our time in the Championship. We don't even get a cup run to relieve the boredom either. Any club basically belongs pretty much where it is at any given time! We are where we are for good reasons…. To be fair it might be more fun being top 6 L1 than bottom 6 Championship….!!
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 1, 2023 11:09:02 GMT 1
Club history means nothing. History is created in the now. Woolworths used to dominate the high street. Blockbuster etc. If you stay still and accept status quo because its worked in the past... that's where you'll end up. Come on Kev.... enough is enough. Well, we are definitely not creating any memorable moments of future history right now…..;; Well, they are memorable. Just not for the right reasons.
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 1, 2023 11:10:21 GMT 1
In conclusion then, what the thread is suggesting is that we belong in L1? What I do know is (for me) it's been bloody boring for most of our time in the Championship. We don't even get a cup run to relieve the boredom either. Any club basically belongs pretty much where it is at any given time! We are where we are for good reasons…. To be fair it might be more fun being top 6 L1 than bottom 6 Championship….!! We'd still need to make half a dozen signings to be that good.
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Post by goodbet on Nov 1, 2023 11:10:35 GMT 1
In conclusion then, what the thread is suggesting is that we belong in L1? What I do know is (for me) it's been bloody boring for most of our time in the Championship. We don't even get a cup run to relieve the boredom either. Any club basically belongs pretty much where it is at any given time! We are where we are for good reasons…. To be fair it might be more fun being top 6 L1 than bottom 6 Championship….!! We may find out (not sure about the top 6 though)
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Post by runner76 on Nov 1, 2023 11:15:42 GMT 1
Any club basically belongs pretty much where it is at any given time! We are where we are for good reasons…. To be fair it might be more fun being top 6 L1 than bottom 6 Championship….!! We'd still need to make half a dozen signings to be that good. Sadly you might be right!
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Post by ruggedivy on Nov 1, 2023 11:25:44 GMT 1
In conclusion then, what the thread is suggesting is that we belong in L1? What I do know is (for me) it's been bloody boring for most of our time in the Championship. We don't even get a cup run to relieve the boredom either. Any club basically belongs pretty much where it is at any given time! We are where we are for good reasons…. To be fair it might be more fun being top 6 L1 than bottom 6 Championship….!! I thought the same when we were in the PL. Nothing to guarantee we would be a top 6 team in League one if we went down
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 1, 2023 11:33:22 GMT 1
In conclusion then, what the thread is suggesting is that we belong in L1? What I do know is (for me) it's been bloody boring for most of our time in the Championship. We don't even get a cup run to relieve the boredom either. Any club basically belongs pretty much where it is at any given time! We are where we are for good reasons…. To be fair it might be more fun being top 6 L1 than bottom 6 Championship….!! It would never be fun being in the bottom leagues. I for one have no wish to return to League 1.
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Post by runner76 on Nov 1, 2023 11:43:35 GMT 1
Any club basically belongs pretty much where it is at any given time! We are where we are for good reasons…. To be fair it might be more fun being top 6 L1 than bottom 6 Championship….!! It would never be fun being in the bottom leagues. I for one have no wish to return to League 1. I might be mental but recall some great away days last time we were in the fourth tier…..; )
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Post by irverino on Nov 1, 2023 11:46:44 GMT 1
In a similar vein a quick look at the Championship league table and 5 teams have already replaced the manager. One of them was in 6th place (I think) when the change was made. They are now 14th. The sword of Damocles hangs over two or three more including the saintly Mr Wagner whose name was being sung in high praise only a few weeks ago and yet now, as reported by BBC sport, he has lost the fan base and they want him out. And he can't be described as a poor communicator and lacking Championship experience. However, just like Mr Moore, he is handicapped by injuries to key players. It's only the 1st of November and the attrition rate is accelerating! Anyone bet against 50% of the teams changing manager by January? And Watford aren't one of them! Ironic really, given that they actually ARE shit enough at the moment to justify ditching him. The Hornets play Rotherham after Town, defeats to those two would see most managers hanging onto their job, Wagner needs a couple of good results before the break with some fans baying for his blood.....Including Town its six manager changes so far, a quarter of the league.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 1, 2023 11:52:47 GMT 1
It would never be fun being in the bottom leagues. I for one have no wish to return to League 1. I might be mental but recall some great away days last time we were in the fourth tier…..; ) I’d forgotten that it is possible to have fun watching football!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 1, 2023 13:46:23 GMT 1
Any club basically belongs pretty much where it is at any given time! We are where we are for good reasons…. To be fair it might be more fun being top 6 L1 than bottom 6 Championship….!! It would never be fun being in the bottom leagues. I for one have no wish to return to League 1. Agreed this League One talk of it being more enjoyable is absolute nonesense, some folk want to give their heads a shake.
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Post by Orinoco on Nov 1, 2023 13:47:42 GMT 1
The championship is fast becoming like the prem league, look at Leicester this season and Burnley last season, the list goes on, but the gap which have been caused mainly by parachute payments are there to see.
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Post by runner76 on Nov 1, 2023 14:29:12 GMT 1
It would never be fun being in the bottom leagues. I for one have no wish to return to League 1. Agreed this League One talk of it being more enjoyable is absolute nonesense, some folk want to give their heads a shake. It’s not really about the league though, it’s about being competitive and ideally consistent in what you’re doing. I can honestly, genuinely say I found that unbeaten run in the third division, and not long after promotion, much more enjoyable than getting twatted in the second season of the PL and most seasons after it……
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Post by dugnet on Nov 1, 2023 14:48:29 GMT 1
I am not sure that perspective is really of any value. Everyone will have a view of where they think Town should be and the level they should be attaining. The truth is it is really down to the few people in charge and the decisions they take. Their perspective, ability to invest (noting that it isn't necessarily the amount you have, it is how it is used), ambition, plan and the people they employ.
We can compare to other clubs but is wishing we were run like Brighton any less valid that being glad we weren't run like Bury?
I don't think we have many fans who I would describe as being "entitled", if anything we have more who play down our standing. In reality every club is looking for stewardship that looks to achieve the maximum that a club is capable of.
We have new ownership and we are, still, waiting to see what Mr Nagle will achieve. If I had a criticism of the message around ambition and targets it would be this: I have heard the words around challenging to be in the Premier League in 3 years (not unreasonable for us, and many other clubs) but I can't align that to a plan or actions. It is early days but we do need to see some tangible evidence of progress and as it stands right now I don't see it.
In short I am too not fussed about other teams, it is about what happens with us that matters.
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Post by andyeastleake on Nov 1, 2023 15:20:51 GMT 1
Also, whilst I had the stats to hand….clubs in the Championship who have spent longer in the PL than Town, so likely think they are ‘bigger’ clubs just FYI : Birmingham Blackburn Coventry Hull Ipswich Leeds Leicester Middlesbrough Norwich Nottingham Forest QPR Sheffield Utd Sheffield Wednesday Southampton Stoke Sunderland Swansea Watford West Brom Wolves I can only put it down to wishful thinking that you describe Notts Forest as being in the Championship. Oh that you were correct. PS much less concerned about Sheffield United & Wolves.
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Post by efesodje23 on Nov 1, 2023 15:25:35 GMT 1
Yeah but I bet none of those teams have Cartwright signing off transfers and having Tom f*cking Edwards starting at RB
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Post by sabailand on Nov 1, 2023 15:57:20 GMT 1
It would never be fun being in the bottom leagues. I for one have no wish to return to League 1. Agreed this League One talk of it being more enjoyable is absolute nonesense, some folk want to give their heads a shake. Agree, some say they have no interest in seeing town playing in the premier league again, quite happy to make up the numbers and forever be in the lower leagues, then quite possibly some of those same people will witter and moan when town are doing shite like now, wish they'd make their bloody minds up, ultimately you either want town to win lots and lots of games or you dont, if you dont you're spending saturdays in the wrong place.
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Post by royrace on Nov 1, 2023 16:01:59 GMT 1
Agreed this League One talk of it being more enjoyable is absolute nonesense, some folk want to give their heads a shake. It’s not really about the league though, it’s about being competitive and ideally consistent in what you’re doing. I can honestly, genuinely say I found that unbeaten run in the third division, and not long after promotion, much more enjoyable than getting twatted in the second season of the PL and most seasons after it…… All about opinions. I found that unbeaten run quite frustrating. Punching below our weight and failing to get the team to fulfill it's potential and get back to playing in a proper league Vs proper clubs. Turns out that as suspected LC wasn't a very good manager.
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Post by runner76 on Nov 1, 2023 16:03:46 GMT 1
Also, whilst I had the stats to hand….clubs in the Championship who have spent longer in the PL than Town, so likely think they are ‘bigger’ clubs just FYI : Birmingham Blackburn Coventry Hull Ipswich Leeds Leicester Middlesbrough Norwich Nottingham Forest QPR Sheffield Utd Sheffield Wednesday Southampton Stoke Sunderland Swansea Watford West Brom Wolves I can only put it down to wishful thinking that you describe Notts Forest as being in the Championship. Oh that you were correct. PS much less concerned about Sheffield United & Wolves. ;0 amended
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Post by runner76 on Nov 1, 2023 16:07:45 GMT 1
It’s not really about the league though, it’s about being competitive and ideally consistent in what you’re doing. I can honestly, genuinely say I found that unbeaten run in the third division, and not long after promotion, much more enjoyable than getting twatted in the second season of the PL and most seasons after it…… All about opinions. I found that unbeaten run quite frustrating. Punching below our weight and failing to get the team to fulfill it's potential and get back to playing in a proper league Vs proper clubs. Turns out that as suspected LC wasn't a very good manager. .....I do remember being at the first game we lost at the end of that run.....annoyingly!!!
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Post by workshyfop on Nov 1, 2023 16:15:08 GMT 1
The championship is fast becoming like the prem league, look at Leicester this season and Burnley last season, the list goes on, but the gap which have been caused mainly by parachute payments are there to see. If only we’d had parachute payments to allow us to be competitive when we got relegated from the PL …
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Post by mosher on Nov 1, 2023 16:21:10 GMT 1
It’s not really about the league though, it’s about being competitive and ideally consistent in what you’re doing. I can honestly, genuinely say I found that unbeaten run in the third division, and not long after promotion, much more enjoyable than getting twatted in the second season of the PL and most seasons after it…… All about opinions. I found that unbeaten run quite frustrating. Punching below our weight and failing to get the team to fulfill it's potential and get back to playing in a proper league Vs proper clubs. Turns out that as suspected LC wasn't a very good manager. To start with it was great, but the longer it went on, it became increasingly obvious that LC was more interested in NOT LOSING than winning. The amount of games where it looked like we were playing for a 0-0 became a standing joke between me and other fans around me during that time.
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Post by 28901 on Nov 1, 2023 17:24:09 GMT 1
The championship is fast becoming like the prem league, look at Leicester this season and Burnley last season, the list goes on, but the gap which have been caused mainly by parachute payments are there to see. Apart from when Town had parachute payments. No feking gap then.
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