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Post by royrace on Nov 2, 2023 11:53:18 GMT 1
I know there's still a lot of ifs and buts however it does make it frustrating that we'd feel the need to almost sacrifice a match to rest players in what was our 2nd game of the season when a cup run could have given everyone a bit of a boost. That was a very early and sad indictment of the state of the squad. Not the first time its happened in recent years either.
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Post by ebargum on Nov 2, 2023 12:14:17 GMT 1
My 'What might have been' is seeing where Newcastle and Brighton are after going up the same season as us....
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Post by paulmat on Nov 2, 2023 12:22:47 GMT 1
My 'What might have been' is seeing where Newcastle and Brighton are after going up the same season as us.... Just because we went up at the same time as them, we were never in the 'same league' as those two clubs. Newcastle had a wage bill of £120m, 50k+ attending every week and should never have been in the championship to begin with. Brighton had been there or there abouts for several years due to constant investment and good planning. We got promoted on the back of finding a good manager and having a particularly successful transfer window and a bit of luck among the way. Of course we should have built on it better, but I've always thought comparing us to Newcastle (espeically) and even Brighton just because we went up at the same time is unrealistic. The way we got promoted has much more in common with the likes of Blackpool, Cardiff, Luton and even Forest
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Post by runner76 on Nov 2, 2023 12:24:25 GMT 1
This thread is badly needed, well done Runner. Reading’s plight worsens: efl.com/news/2023/november/01/efl-statement-reading-fc/Wednesday in dire straits. We’re right to question performances on the grass, but we need to reflect and be grateful that we didn’t go into administration earlier this year and Nagle has taken us on as his English project rather than another club. Sounds like maybe getting worse before better
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Nov 2, 2023 13:06:34 GMT 1
My 'What might have been' is seeing where Newcastle and Brighton are after going up the same season as us.... Or where Reading are if we had missed more penalties?
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Post by royrace on Nov 2, 2023 13:11:03 GMT 1
My 'What might have been' is seeing where Newcastle and Brighton are after going up the same season as us.... Just because we went up at the same time as them, we were never in the 'same league' as those two clubs. Newcastle had a wage bill of £120m, 50k+ attending every week and should never have been in the championship to begin with. Brighton had been there or there abouts for several years due to constant investment and good planning. We got promoted on the back of finding a good manager and having a particularly successful transfer window and a bit of luck among the way. Of course we should have built on it better, but I've always thought comparing us to Newcastle (espeically) and even Brighton just because we went up at the same time is unrealistic. The way we got promoted has much more in common with the likes of Blackpool, Cardiff, Luton and even Forest Brighton's owner far more wealthy and was prepared to spend it. Also way more savvy footballing wise. That's the big difference. Newcastle not comparable.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Nov 2, 2023 13:48:56 GMT 1
If we'd beaten Boro we would undoubtedly have drawn something like Liverpool away. It's how Town's luck always works.
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Post by royrace on Nov 2, 2023 15:35:57 GMT 1
This thread is badly needed, well done Runner. Reading’s plight worsens: efl.com/news/2023/november/01/efl-statement-reading-fc/Wednesday in dire straits. We’re right to question performances on the grass, but we need to reflect and be grateful that we didn’t go into administration earlier this year and Nagle has taken us on as his English project rather than another club. Sounds like maybe getting worse before better Poor do for them but irrelevant. For every Reading there's a Brighton. I don't buy all this thank god he saved us BS. The potential admin was engineered to get round the ownership mess anyway. The new owner has taken on the responsibility of running this championship club with eyes wide open and needs to step up to that task. I'm sure he sees it the same way.
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Post by detox on Nov 2, 2023 15:48:45 GMT 1
The championship is fast becoming like the prem league, look at Leicester this season and Burnley last season, the list goes on, but the gap which have been caused mainly by parachute payments are there to see. time for a PL 2 then, to ease the passage between the two and a share of the skyTV funding , like £60m a year...otherwise the gap will widen and every club that goes up will immediately get relegated again (as is almost the case already)..
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Post by malcolmbrown on Nov 2, 2023 15:52:35 GMT 1
The championship is fast becoming like the prem league, look at Leicester this season and Burnley last season, the list goes on, but the gap which have been caused mainly by parachute payments are there to see. Didn't we have parachute payments?
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Post by malcolmbrown on Nov 2, 2023 15:56:35 GMT 1
My 'What might have been' is seeing where Newcastle and Brighton are after going up the same season as us.... Just because we went up at the same time as them, we were never in the 'same league' as those two clubs. Newcastle had a wage bill of £120m, 50k+ attending every week and should never have been in the championship to begin with. Brighton had been there or there abouts for several years due to constant investment and good planning. We got promoted on the back of finding a good manager and having a particularly successful transfer window and a bit of luck among the way. Of course we should have built on it better, but I've always thought comparing us to Newcastle (espeically) and even Brighton just because we went up at the same time is unrealistic. The way we got promoted has much more in common with the likes of Blackpool, Cardiff, Luton and even Forest Er Forest went up with a mixture of good management and a bent ref. We went up because of good management.
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Post by runner76 on Nov 2, 2023 16:50:55 GMT 1
Just because we went up at the same time as them, we were never in the 'same league' as those two clubs. Newcastle had a wage bill of £120m, 50k+ attending every week and should never have been in the championship to begin with. Brighton had been there or there abouts for several years due to constant investment and good planning. We got promoted on the back of finding a good manager and having a particularly successful transfer window and a bit of luck among the way. Of course we should have built on it better, but I've always thought comparing us to Newcastle (espeically) and even Brighton just because we went up at the same time is unrealistic. The way we got promoted has much more in common with the likes of Blackpool, Cardiff, Luton and even Forest Er Forest went up with a mixture of good management and a bent ref. We went up because of good management. yup
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Post by deepc on Nov 2, 2023 18:45:00 GMT 1
As we all know football did not exist before the creation of the premier league,so all the achievements pre 1992 do not count. The years spent in the top divisions are meaningless, the cups and championships won are worthless. Blackburn,Cov,hull,Ipswich, Norwich,QPR,Stoke,Borough,Swansea,Stoke Watford all bigger clubs than us😂😂😂😂 Loads of them are bigger clubs than us. Football may not have stated in 1992 but that also doesnt mean you dont count whats happened in the past 30 years. Are you saying that the achievements of the last 30 years trump what has gone before in the previous 90 years? My point was of the clubs listed,they have had brief periods in the PL ,and with the exception of Blackburn who had a 5 year spell of success and and won it ,and done nothing but struggle to survive. How does that make them “bigger “ than HTFC?
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Post by Theboywhocriedmichaelvanwijk on Nov 2, 2023 19:12:01 GMT 1
Brighton are the best run football club in the U.K. possibly world Brentford second… not surprising considering Benham is a Bloom protege and City are up there too and even Newcastle look like they are going to about things properly. Chelsea look a shambles now but there is clearly a plan, Man U must be the worst.
Before the premier league we were exceptionally well run! I’d say we are poorly ran now!
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Post by terriers321 on Nov 2, 2023 21:13:23 GMT 1
Loads of them are bigger clubs than us. Football may not have stated in 1992 but that also doesnt mean you dont count whats happened in the past 30 years. Are you saying that the achievements of the last 30 years trump what has gone before in the previous 90 years? My point was of the clubs listed,they have had brief periods in the PL ,and with the exception of Blackburn who had a 5 year spell of success and and won it ,and done nothing but struggle to survive. How does that make them “bigger “ than HTFC? I didnt say that did i. What i said was you cant discount the past 30 years. The size of the club is not all about the honours list. Although Blackburn have won more trophies than us both back in the day and recently and spent more time in the top divison. Fan base, history both old and modern era and the potential of the club all have a factor in my opinion on the size of the club. Ipswich, Norwich, Stoke, Boro, Cov are bigger clubs than town on that list and the others are similar size.
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Post by ebargum on Nov 3, 2023 1:04:58 GMT 1
My 'What might have been' is seeing where Newcastle and Brighton are after going up the same season as us.... Just because we went up at the same time as them, we were never in the 'same league' as those two clubs. Newcastle had a wage bill of £120m, 50k+ attending every week and should never have been in the championship to begin with. Brighton had been there or there abouts for several years due to constant investment and good planning. We got promoted on the back of finding a good manager and having a particularly successful transfer window and a bit of luck among the way. Of course we should have built on it better, but I've always thought comparing us to Newcastle (espeically) and even Brighton just because we went up at the same time is unrealistic. The way we got promoted has much more in common with the likes of Blackpool, Cardiff, Luton and even Forest OK But I replied to a thread about losing to Boro in the cup and What might have been? Not sure what's happened here?
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 3, 2023 8:45:14 GMT 1
To be fair his previous career suggested be wasn't good enough for the championship too. Surprised to hear he's doing well in Germany, good on him! I'm sure midlander would know better off hand (follows Bochum), but I think he was a fringe player when Bochum got promoted to the Bundesliga only a couple of years ago. Scored 2 yesterday for Magdeburg in the German cup (one a penalty in the shoot out), Magdeburg just about holding their heads above water in the German second division now. He played 26 times in their promotion season and 18 in the Bundesliga, the season after, according to his Wiki page.
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Post by paulmat on Nov 3, 2023 10:38:34 GMT 1
Just because we went up at the same time as them, we were never in the 'same league' as those two clubs. Newcastle had a wage bill of £120m, 50k+ attending every week and should never have been in the championship to begin with. Brighton had been there or there abouts for several years due to constant investment and good planning. We got promoted on the back of finding a good manager and having a particularly successful transfer window and a bit of luck among the way. Of course we should have built on it better, but I've always thought comparing us to Newcastle (espeically) and even Brighton just because we went up at the same time is unrealistic. The way we got promoted has much more in common with the likes of Blackpool, Cardiff, Luton and even Forest OK But I replied to a thread about losing to Boro in the cup and What might have been? Not sure what's happened here? Yeah, I started that thread, admins seem to have decided it belonged in here
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Post by Rambo on Nov 3, 2023 14:02:58 GMT 1
Maybe he just couldn't settle here, as he's played a good few games at Bundesliga 2 level since, which is probably the same standard as the Championship. It's a graveyard for some players Town. Not just players!
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Post by 28901 on Nov 3, 2023 14:37:25 GMT 1
Are you saying that the achievements of the last 30 years trump what has gone before in the previous 90 years? My point was of the clubs listed,they have had brief periods in the PL ,and with the exception of Blackburn who had a 5 year spell of success and and won it ,and done nothing but struggle to survive. How does that make them “bigger “ than HTFC? I didnt say that did i. What i said was you cant discount the past 30 years. The size of the club is not all about the honours list. Although Blackburn have won more trophies than us both back in the day and recently and spent more time in the top divison. Fan base, history both old and modern era and the potential of the club all have a factor in my opinion on the size of the club. Ipswich, Norwich, Stoke, Boro, Cov are bigger clubs than town on that list and the others are similar size. i would say Town and Blackburn are similar, but Town edge it. all these arguments about bigger club, well I like a kind of football club top trumps card to decide with a series of questions that you can actually use in an argument.... league champions / runners up FA cup winners / runners up other honours years in top flight record attendance current ground capacity average home attendance in last 10 seasons etc.etc It does work and the Town card would be fairly decent one, especially record attendance. For example when these Bantams start to crow about being bigger than us, the only category they would win is current ground capacity, which i think is about 500 bigger than JSS. there is not one other category they can base their argument on, so their point is shot.
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Post by sabailand on Nov 3, 2023 15:58:32 GMT 1
I didnt say that did i. What i said was you cant discount the past 30 years. The size of the club is not all about the honours list. Although Blackburn have won more trophies than us both back in the day and recently and spent more time in the top divison. Fan base, history both old and modern era and the potential of the club all have a factor in my opinion on the size of the club. Ipswich, Norwich, Stoke, Boro, Cov are bigger clubs than town on that list and the others are similar size. i would say Town and Blackburn are similar, but Town edge it. all these arguments about bigger club, well I like a kind of football club top trumps card to decide with a series of questions that you can actually use in an argument.... league champions / runners up FA cup winners / runners up other honours years in top flight record attendance current ground capacity average home attendance in last 10 seasons etc.etc It does work and the Town card would be fairly decent one, especially record attendance. For example when these Bantams start to crow about being bigger than us, the only category they would win is current ground capacity, which i think is about 500 bigger than JSS. there is not one other category they can base their argument on, so their point is shot. Bradford city dont have an history to match ours, they've won the FA cup over hundred years ago but thats about it regarding major honours, admittedly our best years were yonks ago but history is what helps make a club, basically Bradford are the third team in west yourkshire.
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Post by runner76 on Nov 3, 2023 16:34:03 GMT 1
I didnt say that did i. What i said was you cant discount the past 30 years. The size of the club is not all about the honours list. Although Blackburn have won more trophies than us both back in the day and recently and spent more time in the top divison. Fan base, history both old and modern era and the potential of the club all have a factor in my opinion on the size of the club. Ipswich, Norwich, Stoke, Boro, Cov are bigger clubs than town on that list and the others are similar size. i would say Town and Blackburn are similar, but Town edge it. all these arguments about bigger club, well I like a kind of football club top trumps card to decide with a series of questions that you can actually use in an argument.... league champions / runners up FA cup winners / runners up other honours years in top flight record attendance current ground capacity average home attendance in last 10 seasons etc.etc It does work and the Town card would be fairly decent one, especially record attendance. For example when these Bantams start to crow about being bigger than us, the only category they would win is current ground capacity, which i think is about 500 bigger than JSS. there is not one other category they can base their argument on, so their point is shot. I would think you want to expand the 'other honours' as surely winning Champions league is different to the Europa conference.....
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 3, 2023 19:32:22 GMT 1
i would say Town and Blackburn are similar, but Town edge it. all these arguments about bigger club, well I like a kind of football club top trumps card to decide with a series of questions that you can actually use in an argument.... league champions / runners up FA cup winners / runners up other honours years in top flight record attendance current ground capacity average home attendance in last 10 seasons etc.etc It does work and the Town card would be fairly decent one, especially record attendance. For example when these Bantams start to crow about being bigger than us, the only category they would win is current ground capacity, which i think is about 500 bigger than JSS. there is not one other category they can base their argument on, so their point is shot. Bradford city dont have an history to match ours, they've won the FA cup over hundred years ago but thats about it regarding major honours, admittedly our best years were yonks ago but history is what helps make a club, basically Bradford are the third team in west yourkshire. That's a bit unfair on Halifax and Park Avenue 😉
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 3, 2023 19:34:46 GMT 1
i would say Town and Blackburn are similar, but Town edge it. all these arguments about bigger club, well I like a kind of football club top trumps card to decide with a series of questions that you can actually use in an argument.... league champions / runners up FA cup winners / runners up other honours years in top flight record attendance current ground capacity average home attendance in last 10 seasons etc.etc It does work and the Town card would be fairly decent one, especially record attendance. For example when these Bantams start to crow about being bigger than us, the only category they would win is current ground capacity, which i think is about 500 bigger than JSS. there is not one other category they can base their argument on, so their point is shot. I would think you want to expand the 'other honours' as surely winning Champions league is different to the Europa conference..... What about the Fairs Cup ? A glorified friendly competition where eligibility was based on having held a trade fair. UEFA don't even count it as a proper competition anymore. Bad news for the Chesties 🤣
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Post by sabailand on Nov 3, 2023 19:36:20 GMT 1
Bradford city dont have an history to match ours, they've won the FA cup over hundred years ago but thats about it regarding major honours, admittedly our best years were yonks ago but history is what helps make a club, basically Bradford are the third team in west yourkshire. That's a bit unfair on Halifax and Park Avenue 😉 Yes you have a point, Park Avenue were regerded as the no.1 Bradford team back in the day.
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Post by 28901 on Nov 3, 2023 20:11:04 GMT 1
i would say Town and Blackburn are similar, but Town edge it. all these arguments about bigger club, well I like a kind of football club top trumps card to decide with a series of questions that you can actually use in an argument.... league champions / runners up FA cup winners / runners up other honours years in top flight record attendance current ground capacity average home attendance in last 10 seasons etc.etc It does work and the Town card would be fairly decent one, especially record attendance. For example when these Bantams start to crow about being bigger than us, the only category they would win is current ground capacity, which i think is about 500 bigger than JSS. there is not one other category they can base their argument on, so their point is shot. I would think you want to expand the 'other honours' as surely winning Champions league is different to the Europa conference..... Its not the finished article, more work in progress.
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Post by 28901 on Nov 3, 2023 20:14:52 GMT 1
i would say Town and Blackburn are similar, but Town edge it. all these arguments about bigger club, well I like a kind of football club top trumps card to decide with a series of questions that you can actually use in an argument.... league champions / runners up FA cup winners / runners up other honours years in top flight record attendance current ground capacity average home attendance in last 10 seasons etc.etc It does work and the Town card would be fairly decent one, especially record attendance. For example when these Bantams start to crow about being bigger than us, the only category they would win is current ground capacity, which i think is about 500 bigger than JSS. there is not one other category they can base their argument on, so their point is shot. Bradford city dont have an history to match ours, they've won the FA cup over hundred years ago but thats about it regarding major honours, admittedly our best years were yonks ago but history is what helps make a club, basically Bradford are the third team in west yourkshire. 4th historically. Park Avenue were bigger with a better ground.
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