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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 18:52:54 GMT 1
Dont know what Hoyles got to do with it, he brought Warnock in and he's told me personally he dosnt rate moore, its nowt to do with him. Hoyle has a huge amount to do with it. His post prem decision making has left us where we are sadly - its not just his fault by any means and it is worth noting he raised expectations before then with his stewardship.......but the lack of investment over 5 yrs now since we came down has strangled alot of enthusiasm in the club for many. What about his pre-Prem (or even pre-Champ) decision making? FFS.. give it a rest. Town were a bottom feeder in English football throughout most of my life up until ten years ago. Dean Hoyle got us to the promised land then got ill and fucked it up. Move on.
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Post by Dan on Nov 11, 2023 18:53:21 GMT 1
Davy's fault for not selling to Adam Pearson imo
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Post by shawsie on Nov 11, 2023 18:53:43 GMT 1
Ordinarily its mine........but in this instance its slightly different as the owner expressed life long love for the vehicle and vowed only to part to someone who would nurture and look after it. I get that. But at the end of the day, Hodgkinson knew he couldn't afford to fund it yet still took it on. That's his own stupid fault. And the prior owners for letting him do so surely?
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Nov 11, 2023 18:54:50 GMT 1
Who sold it initially after saying i will only sell to folks better placed to move it fwd than me?! So if I sell you a car that you can't afford to fill up with petrol, is that my fault or yours? But I won’t check to see if you can even afford the car in the first place…
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Post by rockwall on Nov 11, 2023 18:54:53 GMT 1
Hoyle has a huge amount to do with it. His post prem decision making has left us where we are sadly - its not just his fault by any means and it is worth noting he raised expectations before then with his stewardship.......but the lack of investment over 5 yrs now since we came down has strangled alot of enthusiasm in the club for many. Hoyle didn't get rid of 18 players and the best manager available for the situation and only bring 4 in. Out of the 18 players, I would say only Hungbo could have come into this team and contributed. Lowton Knockaert Waghorn Jordan Smith All shite loans, none would do any better. Camara, possibly. Bilokapic wouldn't have played and we replaced with Maxwell. Crichlow wasn't good enough and wouldn't have played. Mahoney - anything need to be said? Simpson and Phillips - never going to be good enough. Rhodes- fair enough, scoring in League 1, but he hasn't done anything in his 2nd spell here. High and Rowe, not good enough. Ayina and Brodie Spencer, needed the loan spells, would they have played? Spencer maybe over Edwards. So out of the 18... For a stronger bench you would have to say maybe 3 of them. The other 15, club did the correct thing. .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 18:55:00 GMT 1
Without going over old ground - it's everything to do with him. HIS legacy from the Premier league is the reason the club is where it is today. Totally But it wasn't Hoyle that left us so threadbare in the summer. That was Nagle. It also wasn't Hoyle that got rid of the manager and replaced him with someone totally inferior. Hoyle's last and best manager got pumped by an idiot. That's the fucking bottom line.
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 11, 2023 18:55:32 GMT 1
I get that. But at the end of the day, Hodgkinson knew he couldn't afford to fund it yet still took it on. That's his own stupid fault. And the prior owners for letting him do so surely? No. How is Hoyle gonna know he's skint? Surely Hoyle will only know what Hodgkinson tells him?
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Post by impact on Nov 11, 2023 18:58:22 GMT 1
I don't watch any post-game stuff (too interested in NCAA football at 5pm!).... but I think DM is trying to say the ship had been steadied for the last two games until Hull's injury time winner. I have to admit that I liked his set-up today, but timing of the late subs was awful and tbh, we never looked like we had a chance of winning. Yeah, I’ve got Michigan/Penn state on How are you watching this? Stream or tv channel?
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Post by shawsie on Nov 11, 2023 19:00:31 GMT 1
And the prior owners for letting him do so surely? No. How is Hoyle gonna know he's skint? Surely Hoyle will only know what Hodgkinson tells him? Perhaps the 25% share retention was a clue?
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 11, 2023 19:01:13 GMT 1
Hoyle didn't get rid of 18 players and the best manager available for the situation and only bring 4 in. Out of the 18 players, I would say only Hungbo could have come into this team and contributed. Lowton Knockaert Waghorn Jordan Smith All shite loans, none would do any better. Camara, possibly. Bilokapic wouldn't have played and we replaced with Maxwell. Crichlow wasn't good enough and wouldn't have played. Mahoney - anything need to be said? Simpson and Phillips - never going to be good enough. Rhodes- fair enough, scoring in League 1, but he hasn't done anything in his 2nd spell here. High and Rowe, not good enough. Ayina and Brodie Spencer, needed the loan spells, would they have played? Spencer maybe over Edwards. So out of the 18... For a stronger bench you would have to say maybe 3 of them. The other 15, club did the correct thing. . No matter how shite the players are that's leaving, the depth still needs to be replaced. While Rhodes, Phillips and Simpson aren't the answer, to let three forwards go and not replace any of them is nothing short of criminal. And being honest, all three are better options than Hudlin.
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Nov 11, 2023 19:02:30 GMT 1
Without going over old ground - it's everything to do with him. HIS legacy from the Premier league is the reason the club is where it is today. Totally But it wasn't Hoyle that left us so threadbare in the summer. That was Nagle. It also wasn't Hoyle that got rid of the manager and replaced him with someone totally inferior. Hoyle set the budget and sold any player he could recoup any brass back, he left this squad with no footballers but the bang average that we're witnessing today.
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 11, 2023 19:02:53 GMT 1
Hoyle didn't get rid of 18 players and the best manager available for the situation and only bring 4 in. Out of the 18 players, I would say only Hungbo could have come into this team and contributed. Lowton Knockaert Waghorn Jordan Smith All shite loans, none would do any better. Camara, possibly. Bilokapic wouldn't have played and we replaced with Maxwell. Crichlow wasn't good enough and wouldn't have played. Mahoney - anything need to be said? Simpson and Phillips - never going to be good enough. Rhodes- fair enough, scoring in League 1, but he hasn't done anything in his 2nd spell here. High and Rowe, not good enough. Ayina and Brodie Spencer, needed the loan spells, would they have played? Spencer maybe over Edwards. So out of the 18... For a stronger bench you would have to say maybe 3 of them. The other 15, club did the correct thing. . No matter how shite the players are that's leaving, the depth still needs to be replaced. While Rhodes, Phillips and Simpson aren't the answer, to let three forwards go and not replace any of them is nothing short of criminal. And being honest, all three are better options than Hudlin.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 19:03:02 GMT 1
Yeah, I’ve got Michigan/Penn state on How are you watching this? Stream or tv channel? Either IPTV if you can get a US local FOX affiliate or crackstreams on a browser like Mozilla set to no trackers with adblock.
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Post by impact on Nov 11, 2023 19:04:24 GMT 1
Hoyle didn't get rid of 18 players and the best manager available for the situation and only bring 4 in. Out of the 18 players, I would say only Hungbo could have come into this team and contributed. Lowton Knockaert Waghorn Jordan Smith All shite loans, none would do any better. Camara, possibly. Bilokapic wouldn't have played and we replaced with Maxwell. Crichlow wasn't good enough and wouldn't have played. Mahoney - anything need to be said? Simpson and Phillips - never going to be good enough. Rhodes- fair enough, scoring in League 1, but he hasn't done anything in his 2nd spell here. High and Rowe, not good enough. Ayina and Brodie Spencer, needed the loan spells, would they have played? Spencer maybe over Edwards. So out of the 18... For a stronger bench you would have to say maybe 3 of them. The other 15, club did the correct thing. . Hungbo, Holmes, Rhodes and Camara were all around the 1st team. The others, yes they were unlikely to feature much, but you can't let them all leave and not replace them. High, Simpson, Boyle and Rowe all features at some point. We brought in a backup keeper to replace the ones we let go, fine. Edwards as injury cover for Turton, awful signing but understand we needed cover. Wiles and Burgzorg have started. But that means we have repaced those 8 above with 2 players. It's no wonder the squad is threadbare. I don't think I included the return of the loaners to be honest. Waghorn and knochaert feature a fair bit so that's another 2 we haven't replaced.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Nov 11, 2023 19:04:26 GMT 1
None of this squad have the ability to do the job they are pai good money to do and that includes a clueless Moore
This poor squad is mainly due to lack of investment going back to the Hoyle era as Nagle has had all the shit passed on to him like pass the parcel
Only a highly experienced manager like Warnock could do anything with this lot and then its only about survival with this shit squad
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 11, 2023 19:04:46 GMT 1
No. How is Hoyle gonna know he's skint? Surely Hoyle will only know what Hodgkinson tells him? Perhaps the 25% share retention was a clue? Why did Hodgkinson say yes? He takes the majority of the blame because he took it on knowing he couldn't fund it. In any other walk of life, it would be completely his fault. Yet here, people seem to try and blame Hoyle rather than the idiot buying it! If I buy a house I can't afford and it gets repossessed, it is my stupid fucking fault!
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Post by ACW on Nov 11, 2023 19:04:51 GMT 1
Those that backed Neil's departure should never post again on here and delete their accounts You don't half post some shite. I wish you would never post on here and delete your account.
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Post by terriers321 on Nov 11, 2023 19:05:05 GMT 1
Without going over old ground - it's everything to do with him. HIS legacy from the Premier league is the reason the club is where it is today. Totally But it wasn't Hoyle that left us so threadbare in the summer. That was Nagle. It also wasn't Hoyle that got rid of the manager and replaced him with someone totally inferior. The only saving grace Hoyle had was appointing Warnock to get him out the shit. Hoyle was taking a side that finished third the previous season down to league one.
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Post by rockwall on Nov 11, 2023 19:05:12 GMT 1
Out of the 18 players, I would say only Hungbo could have come into this team and contributed. Lowton Knockaert Waghorn Jordan Smith All shite loans, none would do any better. Camara, possibly. Bilokapic wouldn't have played and we replaced with Maxwell. Crichlow wasn't good enough and wouldn't have played. Mahoney - anything need to be said? Simpson and Phillips - never going to be good enough. Rhodes- fair enough, scoring in League 1, but he hasn't done anything in his 2nd spell here. High and Rowe, not good enough. Ayina and Brodie Spencer, needed the loan spells, would they have played? Spencer maybe over Edwards. So out of the 18... For a stronger bench you would have to say maybe 3 of them. The other 15, club did the correct thing. . No matter how shite the players are that's leaving, the depth still needs to be replaced. While Rhodes, Phillips and Simpson aren't the answer, to let three forwards go and not replace any of them is nothing short of criminal. And being honest, all three are better options than Hudlin. I get that the depth needs to be better. But some people (not you) bang on like the 18 we let go would make a difference. Gone are the days when we could put 2 strong different 11's out.
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 11, 2023 19:06:29 GMT 1
But it wasn't Hoyle that left us so threadbare in the summer. That was Nagle. It also wasn't Hoyle that got rid of the manager and replaced him with someone totally inferior. The only saving grace Hoyle had was appointing Warnock to get him out the shit. Hoyle was taking a side that finished third the previous season down to league one. I'm not disagreeing, he's made some bad calls in his latter period of ownership. But to blame him for Hodgkinson buying something he couldn't afford is a bit silly, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 19:08:10 GMT 1
No matter how shite the players are that's leaving, the depth still needs to be replaced. While Rhodes, Phillips and Simpson aren't the answer, to let three forwards go and not replace any of them is nothing short of criminal. And being honest, all three are better options than Hudlin. I get that the depth needs to be better. But some people (not you) bang on like the 18 we let go would make a difference. Gone are the days when we could put 2 strong different 11's out. The same people on here that need to learn about football? Lol... penis.
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 11, 2023 19:08:17 GMT 1
No matter how shite the players are that's leaving, the depth still needs to be replaced. While Rhodes, Phillips and Simpson aren't the answer, to let three forwards go and not replace any of them is nothing short of criminal. And being honest, all three are better options than Hudlin. I get that the depth needs to be better. But some people (not you) bang on like the 18 we let go would make a difference. Gone are the days when we could put 2 strong different 11's out. Yes agreed. Those were the days. This is where Hoyle is the victim of his own success because it was him that made it normal for Town to sign loads of players in the summer. Before Hoyle we'd sign about two players every transfer window, if we were lucky. And generally they were free transfers. I think people forget this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 19:11:20 GMT 1
It begars belief that some peeps on here even tried to discredit neil warnock and said he had to go!!!! That press conference to announce Neil's departure was cringeworthy!!!...embarrassing that the club did that to him after what he had done for us....he was clearly upset with the decision and didn't want to leave!! Those that backed Neil's departure should never post again on here and delete their accounts You don't half post some shite. I wish you would never post on here and delete your account. It pains me to argue against you ACW, but apart from the account deleting nonsense, Donny is spot on.
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Post by hxterrierhx on Nov 11, 2023 19:14:37 GMT 1
Did I really just watch us play 99 minutes of football setup to get a draw and maybe nick a win? This is no better than most of last season.
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Nov 11, 2023 19:16:28 GMT 1
Why didn't Hoyle back Carlos, because he's a stubborn old Yorkshire T@$t
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Nov 11, 2023 19:18:54 GMT 1
Some say the club cannot afford to get rid of Moore but whats the difference in club income to from playing in the championship to playing in league1
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Nov 11, 2023 19:20:32 GMT 1
Is Kevin in a no signal area again like he was on deadline day? His twitter is awfully quiet. Tragic.
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 11, 2023 19:21:35 GMT 1
Why didn't Hoyle back Carlos, because he's a stubborn old Yorkshire T@$t Corberan resigned at least once before during the 2021-22 season. Do you realistically think he'd have still been here now? We've had four managers since him.
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Post by nicovaesen on Nov 11, 2023 19:22:35 GMT 1
This reminds me of the scene in 28 days later where they arrive at the radio outpost and there’s nothing. So one character responds to the question “we need to go!” “Go fucking where!”
I feel like this with town and Moore I’ve got no idea what we do now. We look completely devoid of absolutely any direction. Unless this is part of the UTT documentary to bring back warnock. Only town could do that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 19:22:42 GMT 1
Some say the club cannot afford to get rid of Moore but whats the difference in club income to from playing in the championship to playing in league1 The club are paying NW, Jeppo, DM et al for the rest of this season. That looks looks an EFL dream team, to me. Calling Mr Nagle....... Cartwright.... Edwards....?
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