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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 19:24:02 GMT 1
But it wasn't Hoyle that left us so threadbare in the summer. That was Nagle. It also wasn't Hoyle that got rid of the manager and replaced him with someone totally inferior. Hoyle set the budget and sold any player he could recoup any brass back, he left this squad with no footballers but the bang average that we're witnessing today. Hoyle did not set the budget. Baldwin did it along with the FC, Sasha. Hoyle had had enough by this point and just let big lad crack on with it. |
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Post by ACW on Nov 11, 2023 19:24:55 GMT 1
You don't half post some shite. I wish you would never post on here and delete your account. It pains me to argue against you ACW, but apart from the account deleting nonsense, Donny is spot on. It was that bit I was referring to. Perhaps I should have made it more obvious. |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Nov 11, 2023 19:24:57 GMT 1
Moore needs to learn that he has to win the right to replace players in Jan by at least showing something from what he currently has. So far it been pretty poor. If I was on the board I'd seriously be wondering if he could be trusted with what will probably be a meagre budget.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Nov 11, 2023 19:27:40 GMT 1
Did I really just watch us play 99 minutes of football setup to get a draw and maybe nick a win? This is no better than most of last season. Nah we made no attempt to nick a win. |
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Post by bluebeard on Nov 11, 2023 19:30:10 GMT 1
Simply abysmal no other way to describe that shambles.
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Post by rocky on Nov 11, 2023 19:30:25 GMT 1
Out of the 18 players, I would say only Hungbo could have come into this team and contributed. Lowton Knockaert Waghorn Jordan Smith All shite loans, none would do any better. Camara, possibly. Bilokapic wouldn't have played and we replaced with Maxwell. Crichlow wasn't good enough and wouldn't have played. Mahoney - anything need to be said? Simpson and Phillips - never going to be good enough. Rhodes- fair enough, scoring in League 1, but he hasn't done anything in his 2nd spell here. High and Rowe, not good enough. Ayina and Brodie Spencer, needed the loan spells, would they have played? Spencer maybe over Edwards. So out of the 18... For a stronger bench you would have to say maybe 3 of them. The other 15, club did the correct thing. . No matter how shite the players are that's leaving, the depth still needs to be replaced. While Rhodes, Phillips and Simpson aren't the answer, to let three forwards go and not replace any of them is nothing short of criminal. And being honest, all three are better options than Hudlin. I think most Town fans in the stands today are better options than Hudlin! Not his fault of course but whoever thinks he could ever make it as a Championship player needs certifying. Let’s face it, he can barely run. Would comfortably get in the worst Town Championship team of all time. The fact that he’s leading the ‘line’ perfectly sums up the shambles the club are in at the moment. |
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Nov 11, 2023 19:32:34 GMT 1
But it wasn't Hoyle that left us so threadbare in the summer. That was Nagle. It also wasn't Hoyle that got rid of the manager and replaced him with someone totally inferior. Hoyle's last and best manager got pumped by an idiot. That's the fucking bottom line. Warnock saved Hoyle that's all. His lack of backing Carlos grates with Town fans. Then, let's just sell anybody that any other club wants. He sold the club down the river, some f-ing Town fan. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Nov 11, 2023 19:32:58 GMT 1
Yeah, I’ve got Michigan/Penn state on  How are you watching this? Stream or tv channel? Via Kodi on the laptop. |
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Post by space hardware on Nov 11, 2023 19:33:27 GMT 1
The only saving grace Hoyle had was appointing Warnock to get him out the shit. Hoyle was taking a side that finished third the previous season down to league one. I'm not disagreeing, he's made some bad calls in his latter period of ownership. But to blame him for Hodgkinson buying something he couldn't afford is a bit silly, in my opinion. I think they both take some blame, personally. Where was the due diligence on Hoyle's part? A lot of people, some on here who knew him, called it straightaway - Hodgkinson never had the poke to fund a Championship club. He scarcely had the poke to fund a non-League club. His businesses were built on sand, in an extremely volatile industry. It wasn't really a huge surprise that they went tits up. Add to that his pathological bullshitter personality and you have the recipe for an absolute bin fire of a situation. All predicted by plenty of people, but clearly not Hoyle. |
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Nov 11, 2023 19:35:39 GMT 1
Why didn't Hoyle back Carlos, because he's a stubborn old Yorkshire T@$t Corberan resigned at least once before during the 2021-22 season. Do you realistically think he'd have still been here now? We've had four managers since him. Why wouldn't he be here now if we'd backed him, we might have now been in the Prem who knows |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 19:37:38 GMT 1
Hoyle's last and best manager got pumped by an idiot. That's the fucking bottom line. Warnock saved Hoyle that's all. His lack of backing Carlos grates with Town fans. Then, let's just sell anybody that any other club wants. He sold the club down the river, some f-ing Town fan. What was the club like before he invested? Maybe you should invest if you're flush enough to retire to Cyprus? |
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Nov 11, 2023 19:38:30 GMT 1
Hoyle set the budget and sold any player he could recoup any brass back, he left this squad with no footballers but the bang average that we're witnessing today. Hoyle did not set the budget. Baldwin did it along with the FC, Sasha. Hoyle had had enough by this point and just let big lad crack on with it. Tell your mate I'm not buying that! |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Nov 11, 2023 19:42:31 GMT 1
As said before, getting rid of Warnock for Moore was football suicide.
It always was and always will be utter madness. Those that still believe otherwise (if there are any) must be suffering from the same chronic madness.
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 11, 2023 19:47:11 GMT 1
Corberan resigned at least once before during the 2021-22 season. Do you realistically think he'd have still been here now? We've had four managers since him. Why wouldn't he be here now if we'd backed him, we might have now been in the Prem who knows You should be a comedian. He's done fuck all with West Brom despite having a superior squad. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 19:48:25 GMT 1
As said before, getting rid of Warnock for Moore was football suicide. It always was and always will be utter madness and those that still believe otherwise (if there are any) must be suffering from the same chronic madness. This times one million. The 'naughty boy' rumours have lead to fuck all evidence and the fact that Warnock was Deano's man to hand over the club is enough reason for a smear campaign from anyone who would like to discredit the best owner in Town's post-war history. |
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Post by ACW on Nov 11, 2023 19:55:25 GMT 1
According to Moore we "got into some threatening areas on the counter and caused them some problems."
Did we? 😳
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 11, 2023 19:56:52 GMT 1
DM - "We're disappointed as a team. We felt we controlled the space well and limited them to long range efforts that we dealt with. "
Hull - shots OUTSIDE box = 6, INSIDE box = 14 !
What is he on about?!
There has not been another game in the Championship so far this season that has had attack momentum dominated by one team as much as happened against us today.
Our performance against Leeds is the second worst.
He just isn't a fit for the club, it happens 🤷♂️ has to go, hopefully soon enough that the next manager can do some actual managing during the international break.
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 11, 2023 19:57:11 GMT 1
According to Moore we "got into some threatening areas on the counter and caused them some problems." Did we? 😳 No. |
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Post by alfredsterrier on Nov 11, 2023 20:11:46 GMT 1
According to Moore we "got into some threatening areas on the counter and caused them some problems." Did we? 😳 No. No and could still be playing and we wouldn’t. I have never seen less ambition and attack from a team and that has to be Darren’s fault. I have no idea what they do each week but they genuinely do not look like a group of players that know each other. There is zero game plan. The full backs seem to have no idea who is ahead of them and cannot link up with midfield. Hudlin- probably a really nice guy and no attack on him as a person- is not a championship striker. If the B team striker is not getting picked then if I was him I would give up the game. Sorry Darren, I try to be positive but that was dreadful and it can only be your fault. |
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Nov 11, 2023 20:12:01 GMT 1
Why wouldn't he be here now if we'd backed him, we might have now been in the Prem who knows You should be a comedian. He's done fuck all with West Brom despite having a superior squad. So you'd rather have this joker??? |
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Post by ben1987 on Nov 11, 2023 20:20:04 GMT 1
I blame Moore for the performances and Hoyle, Cartwright and Edwards for the squad, and the state of the club. Dont know what Hoyles got to do with it, he brought Warnock in and he's told me personally he dosnt rate moore, its nowt to do with him. This squad is partly down to Hoyles atrocious management of the club in both his tenures, vastly underinvesting in it and selecting awful managers a long the way who made us more unattractive than we already are, then after all that he managed to sell us to the poorest billionaire in the US. He brought Warnock in because he was desperate at the time, having failed miserably to manage the club properly since he took over from his last sale. Whether you like it or not, Hoyle is partly to blame. |
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Nov 11, 2023 20:26:34 GMT 1
I'm not disagreeing, he's made some bad calls in his latter period of ownership. But to blame him for Hodgkinson buying something he couldn't afford is a bit silly, in my opinion. I think they both take some blame, personally. Where was the due diligence on Hoyle's part? A lot of people, some on here who knew him, called it straightaway - Hodgkinson never had the poke to fund a Championship club. He scarcely had the poke to fund a non-League club. His businesses were built on sand, in an extremely volatile industry. It wasn't really a huge surprise that they went tits up. Add to that his pathological bullshitter personality and you have the recipe for an absolute bin fire of a situation. All predicted by plenty of people, but clearly not Hoyle. In a nutshell, THIS. |
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Post by Melc on Nov 11, 2023 20:27:41 GMT 1
DM - "We're disappointed as a team. We felt we controlled the space well and limited them to long range efforts that we dealt with. " Hull - shots OUTSIDE box = 6, INSIDE box = 14 ! What is he on about?! There has not been another game in the Championship so far this season that has had attack momentum dominated by one team as much as happened against us today. Our performance against Leeds is the second worst. He just isn't a fit for the club, it happens 🤷♂️ has to go, hopefully soon enough that the next manager can do some actual managing during the international break. Didn’t he say something along the lines of we are seeing a gradual improvement since he came in. Might have dreamt that bit as it is almost impossible to stay awake when he starts talking. We have gone back further than our outfield 10 players today as a club under Moore. |
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Post by wigster on Nov 11, 2023 20:29:26 GMT 1
The only saving grace Hoyle had was appointing Warnock to get him out the shit. Hoyle was taking a side that finished third the previous season down to league one. I'm not disagreeing, he's made some bad calls in his latter period of ownership. But to blame him for Hodgkinson buying something he couldn't afford is a bit silly, in my opinion. But will you accept that, in Hoyle's own words, it was Hoyle who searched out Hodgkinson. Hodgkinson actually publicly expressed his surprise . |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 11, 2023 20:29:54 GMT 1
You should be a comedian. He's done fuck all with West Brom despite having a superior squad. So you'd rather have this joker??? Obviously not, but didn't realise I had to choose between them? 🤔 |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 11, 2023 20:30:59 GMT 1
I'm not disagreeing, he's made some bad calls in his latter period of ownership. But to blame him for Hodgkinson buying something he couldn't afford is a bit silly, in my opinion. But will you accept that, in Hoyle's own words, it was Hoyle who searched out Hodgkinson. Hodgkinson actually publicly expressed his surprise . Of course. No arguments there. But do you accept that Hodgkinson gets a pretty easy ride for his role in all this? |
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Post by alfredsterrier on Nov 11, 2023 20:39:16 GMT 1
Unfortunately some people will not hear a bad word said about Dean Hoyle but this is just blinkered I’m afraid.
The squad didn’t just become this overnight.
A lot - not all- of the bad decisions came under his watch.
The complete lack of investment, selling anything remotely talented for whatever he could get has to be on him.
He appointed Baldwin after all.
He got us to the premiership and that was a massive achievement and one we should all be grateful for but unfortunately since then it’s been one bad decision after the other.
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Post by CurlyWurly on Nov 11, 2023 20:44:20 GMT 1
Why wouldn't he be here now if we'd backed him, we might have now been in the Prem who knows You should be a comedian. He's done fuck all with West Brom despite having a superior squad. Yet a simple search of Twitter shows how happy Baggies fans are with him |
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Post by tepidterrier on Nov 11, 2023 20:47:59 GMT 1
You should be a comedian. He's done fuck all with West Brom despite having a superior squad. Yet a simple search of Twitter shows how happy Baggies fans are with him Yep. I know two West Brom fans and both said the exact same thing about Corberan when I brought up being a town fan- 'only good thing about our club at the moment' |
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Nov 11, 2023 20:52:15 GMT 1
I'm not disagreeing, he's made some bad calls in his latter period of ownership. But to blame him for Hodgkinson buying something he couldn't afford is a bit silly, in my opinion. I think they both take some blame, personally. Where was the due diligence on Hoyle's part? A lot of people, some on here who knew him, called it straightaway - Hodgkinson never had the poke to fund a Championship club. He scarcely had the poke to fund a non-League club. His businesses were built on sand, in an extremely volatile industry. It wasn't really a huge surprise that they went tits up. Add to that his pathological bullshitter personality and you have the recipe for an absolute bin fire of a situation. All predicted by plenty of people, but clearly not Hoyle. I think it was a business deal between them and not a football deal, we'll never know the answers but they were European and American interests in Town but Hoyle chose Big Phil for 'A' reason. |
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