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Post by runner76 on Nov 15, 2023 9:56:34 GMT 1
Why is it so bad right now??
Clearly there are massive problems on the ‘football’ side of things but what we need is leadership and reassurance on the club generally.
Like him / love him / hate him, there is only so much Moore can do so, yes, I’m sure if results were good, we would all feel much better, but - particularly when times are tough - we need leadership and communication.
Could be Nagle, or Edwards, but all I’m seeing on the official shite is random sales / marketing and some community stuff which is all well and good, but it’s like heads are in the sands at every level and feels like as a fan base we are being a bit overlooked.
Any kind of ‘fireside chat’ or ‘interview with’ or anything where they can be, as much as they can, open and honest and communicate with us.
When the football ain’t great, we at least need some better and meaningful communication
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Nov 15, 2023 10:01:30 GMT 1
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Post by runner76 on Nov 15, 2023 10:04:36 GMT 1
To be fair he has a go and also on ‘x’ but I guess the ‘official’ club PR and marketing on the official site is where I feel let down. Not everyone reads Examiner or looks on social media…. |
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Post by exberlinerterrier on Nov 15, 2023 10:36:04 GMT 1
Why is it so bad right now?? Clearly there are massive problems on the ‘football’ side of things but what we need is leadership and reassurance on the club generally. Like him / love him / hate him, there is only so much Moore can do so, yes, I’m sure if results were good, we would all feel much better, but - particularly when times are tough - we need leadership and communication. Could be Nagle, or Edwards, but all I’m seeing on the official shite is random sales / marketing and some community stuff which is all well and good, but it’s like heads are in the sands at every level and feels like as a fan base we are being a bit overlooked. Any kind of ‘fireside chat’ or ‘interview with’ or anything where they can be, as much as they can, open and honest and communicate with us. When the football ain’t great, we at least need some better and meaningful communication What would you specifically like Nagle or Edwards to say though? “We’re shit and it’s because of poor recruitment and we will rectify that in January.” That’s hardly going to motivate the current playing squad to put a few decent performances in before January rolls around. It’s just not professional. I think we’re very much at a place where actions speak louder than words. Unfortunately we just have to wait until January before those actions can be performed. I’ve said on other threads that I wouldn’t be against Cartwright leaving for example, but if that was going to happen I think it would already have taken place. |
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Post by runner76 on Nov 15, 2023 10:40:13 GMT 1
Why is it so bad right now?? Clearly there are massive problems on the ‘football’ side of things but what we need is leadership and reassurance on the club generally. Like him / love him / hate him, there is only so much Moore can do so, yes, I’m sure if results were good, we would all feel much better, but - particularly when times are tough - we need leadership and communication. Could be Nagle, or Edwards, but all I’m seeing on the official shite is random sales / marketing and some community stuff which is all well and good, but it’s like heads are in the sands at every level and feels like as a fan base we are being a bit overlooked. Any kind of ‘fireside chat’ or ‘interview with’ or anything where they can be, as much as they can, open and honest and communicate with us. When the football ain’t great, we at least need some better and meaningful communication What would you specifically like Nagle or Edwards to say though? “We’re shit and it’s because of poor recruitment and we will rectify that in January.” That’s hardly going to motivate the current playing squad to put a few decent performances in before January rolls around. It’s just not professional. I think we’re very much at a place where actions speak louder than words. Unfortunately we just have to wait until January before those actions can be performed. I’ve said on other threads that I wouldn’t be against Cartwright leaving for example, but if that was going to happen I think it would already have taken place. Wel maybe not those exact words…  |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Nov 15, 2023 11:11:35 GMT 1
Have we heard anything from Edwards & Cartwright since their initial interviews? They're the ones put in place by Nagle to run the club, it's about time they fronted upto the fans and explain their decision making and how we're going to get out of this spiral of their creation.
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 15, 2023 12:19:15 GMT 1
Have we heard anything from Edwards & Cartwright since their initial interviews? They're the ones put in place by Nagle to run the club, it's about time they fronted upto the fans and explain their decision making and how we're going to get out of this spiral of their creation. What are they supposed to say though? If they come out and say "we know, we're fucking shite", doesn't that just undermine the manager? |
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Post by Sparrow on Nov 15, 2023 12:35:49 GMT 1
I agree that there's not really a lot they can say at the moment, however, the International Break would be an ideal time for some interviews.
Not really sure what exactly Edwards and Cartwright could say, but a 10-15 minute interview with each would be great. Maybe also an interview with Domenic Notarfrancesco on the plans for developing the brand globally or David Weatherall on the Academy.
Whilst there might not be a massive amount to say. 45-60 minutes of content would be great.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 15, 2023 12:39:46 GMT 1
Have we heard anything from Edwards & Cartwright since their initial interviews? They're the ones put in place by Nagle to run the club, it's about time they fronted upto the fans and explain their decision making and how we're going to get out of this spiral of their creation. I’d love to listen to a detailed explanation of how they assessed that the club were so strong in forward areas, they sent Rhodes out on loan. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Nov 15, 2023 13:07:54 GMT 1
Have we heard anything from Edwards & Cartwright since their initial interviews? They're the ones put in place by Nagle to run the club, it's about time they fronted upto the fans and explain their decision making and how we're going to get out of this spiral of their creation. What are they supposed to say though? If they come out and say "we know, we're fucking shite", doesn't that just undermine the manager? They could just carry on as they are and say nothing at all I suppose? They could come out and support their under fire manager and whether or not he'll be backed in January to improve the piss poor squad they thought would be strong enough to compete in the Championship before the season started? They could come out and say what their long term vision is for the club and areas they feel needs addressing after now having time to assess the club in detail? Burying their heads in the sand, saying nothing at all, leaving Moore to justify their poor decision making in the summer is also unfair on him, don't you think? |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Nov 15, 2023 13:16:05 GMT 1
Have we heard anything from Edwards & Cartwright since their initial interviews? They're the ones put in place by Nagle to run the club, it's about time they fronted upto the fans and explain their decision making and how we're going to get out of this spiral of their creation. I’d love to listen to a detailed explanation of how they assessed that the club were so strong in forward areas, they sent Rhodes out on loan. The fact that the no.9 shirt is vacant and we're relying on Ward and two inexperienced lads who hardly tore it up on loan in league 2 to lead the line makes me think some serious misjudgements were made in the summer. Are they big enough to admit mistakes were made? Doubt it. |
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Post by richhtfc on Nov 15, 2023 13:23:44 GMT 1
I’d love to listen to a detailed explanation of how they assessed that the club were so strong in forward areas, they sent Rhodes out on loan. The fact that the no.9 shirt is vacant and we're relying on Ward and two inexperienced lads who hardly tore it up on loan in league 2 to lead the line makes me think some serious misjudgements were made in the summer. Are they big enough to admit mistakes were made? Doubt it. Maybe we had someone lined up but whatever’s gone on with NW meant the decision was made to halt any further deals? |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Nov 15, 2023 13:38:34 GMT 1
The fact that the no.9 shirt is vacant and we're relying on Ward and two inexperienced lads who hardly tore it up on loan in league 2 to lead the line makes me think some serious misjudgements were made in the summer. Are they big enough to admit mistakes were made? Doubt it. Maybe we had someone lined up but whatever’s gone on with NW meant the decision was made to halt any further deals? If that is true then that would definitely fall under the poor decision making at the club. You're handicapping your new manager by not having a capable, championship quality striker at the club. Between Ward, Hudlin and Harratt, they've played over 1100 minutes combined and managed a whopping 1 goal in total. It's an absolute shambles and the people at the top need to be held accountable, but instead they stay silent. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Nov 15, 2023 13:40:36 GMT 1
'Damned if they do and damned if they dont' is the best way to sum this up really.
Anything they come out with will be dissected to the nth degree, and I honestly don't think there's anything they could say that would help when the on-field business is so poor right now.
It's clear that Moore isn't going anywhere, so all that we can do is hope that the reason they are keeping him here is that they intend to heavily back him in January.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 15, 2023 14:11:51 GMT 1
I’d love to listen to a detailed explanation of how they assessed that the club were so strong in forward areas, they sent Rhodes out on loan. The fact that the no.9 shirt is vacant and we're relying on Ward and two inexperienced lads who hardly tore it up on loan in league 2 to lead the line makes me think some serious misjudgements were made in the summer. Are they big enough to admit mistakes were made? Doubt it. I have a real problem in understanding this. I follow football very closely, not just at Town but generally. I know that all of our competitors in this league are infinitely stronger than we are in forward areas. When the likes of Rotherham have a better situation than us, something is very badly wrong. |
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Nov 15, 2023 14:30:39 GMT 1
Say we received a Mea Culpa from Nagle, Edwards, Cartwright, Moore, or even a joint statement from them all, accepting that they failed in their duties, or that this has all happened despite them working 20 hours each day. So what? There is nothing that that we could or should have a right to do. Someone accepting their part in the club’s current situation makes no difference at all.
Absolute worse case scenario - we’re stuck with the owner until or unless he finds a new buyer. Makes no difference whether he accepts responsibility or not, but if the other three fell on their swords, it costs the club more money to pay them off and find replacements, meaning less money to buy new players.
No point at all in them communicating direct, but they should still be held to account by the local media. No mention by local media(that I’m aware of) to interview Nagle, Edwards or Cartwright.
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Nov 15, 2023 14:43:14 GMT 1
"We accept that things have not gone to plan of late but we have every confidence that things will improve. We have the core of a competitive squad and will look to significantly strengthen in key areas in January to give Darren and his team every chance of a successful second half of the season. We have already identified key targets we believe are both ambitious and realistic to help us achieve our goals both in the short and the long term. We understand our fans are frustrated with recent performances and results. We are too. We want to reassure fans we have a realistic, achievable plan that is already underway, and that things will look very different in the not-too distant future."
There, that wasn't difficult, was it?
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Nov 15, 2023 14:50:36 GMT 1
"We accept that things have not gone to plan of late but we have every confidence that things will improve. We have the core of a competitive squad and will look to significantly strengthen in key areas in January to give Darren and his team every chance of a successful second half of the season. We have already identified key targets we believe are both ambitious and realistic to help us achieve our goals both in the short and the long term. We understand our fans are frustrated with recent performances and results. We are too. We want to reassure fans we have a realistic, achievable plan that is already underway, and that things will look very different in the not-too distant future."There, that wasn't difficult, was it? It isn't difficult to SAY things, what is difficult is backing them up with actions. If they cant action what is said (to keep people happy) then there is no point saying anything as anything said will come back to bite them in the arse later down the line. Would anyone believe anything said at this point anyways? All any statement put would attract is a load of abuse and a 'we've heard it all before' from fans. Best thing the people involved in the running of the club can do at the moment is actually work to turn this situation around, not put out soundbites full of waffle and 'we are going to do...' just get it done and turn the club fortunes around. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Nov 15, 2023 14:56:39 GMT 1
"We accept that things have not gone to plan of late but we have every confidence that things will improve. We have the core of a competitive squad and will look to significantly strengthen in key areas in January to give Darren and his team every chance of a successful second half of the season. We have already identified key targets we believe are both ambitious and realistic to help us achieve our goals both in the short and the long term. We understand our fans are frustrated with recent performances and results. We are too. We want to reassure fans we have a realistic, achievable plan that is already underway, and that things will look very different in the not-too distant future."There, that wasn't difficult, was it? What (realistically) do you think the reaction would be to that from the average fan? And why would they send out a signal to other teams that they are looking to spend money? |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Nov 15, 2023 15:03:14 GMT 1
"We accept that things have not gone to plan of late but we have every confidence that things will improve. We have the core of a competitive squad and will look to significantly strengthen in key areas in January to give Darren and his team every chance of a successful second half of the season. We have already identified key targets we believe are both ambitious and realistic to help us achieve our goals both in the short and the long term. We understand our fans are frustrated with recent performances and results. We are too. We want to reassure fans we have a realistic, achievable plan that is already underway, and that things will look very different in the not-too distant future."There, that wasn't difficult, was it? It isn't difficult to SAY things, what is difficult is backing them up with actions. If they cant action what is said (to keep people happy) then there is no point saying anything as anything said will come back to bite them in the arse later down the line. Would anyone believe anything said at this point anyways? All any statement put would attract is a load of abuse and a 'we've heard it all before' from fans. Best thing the people involved in the running of the club can do at the moment is actually work to turn this situation around, not put out soundbites full of waffle and 'we are going to do...' just get it done and turn the club fortunes around. Exactly. You only have to look how much Cartwright's 'attacking football' quote has been weaponised against him/the club to see why they will now re-address how and what they communicate with the fans. |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 15, 2023 16:39:58 GMT 1
"We accept that things have not gone to plan of late but we have every confidence that things will improve. We have the core of a competitive squad and will look to significantly strengthen in key areas in January to give Darren and his team every chance of a successful second half of the season. We have already identified key targets we believe are both ambitious and realistic to help us achieve our goals both in the short and the long term. We understand our fans are frustrated with recent performances and results. We are too. We want to reassure fans we have a realistic, achievable plan that is already underway, and that things will look very different in the not-too distant future."There, that wasn't difficult, was it? All very good if Town have funds and intend to quite a lot more than we did in the summer window, otherwise they would be better off saying nothing. We would have a melt down if we end up with no one or more overweight unfit players. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Nov 15, 2023 16:43:23 GMT 1
"We accept that things have not gone to plan of late but we have every confidence that things will improve. We have the core of a competitive squad and will look to significantly strengthen in key areas in January to give Darren and his team every chance of a successful second half of the season. We have already identified key targets we believe are both ambitious and realistic to help us achieve our goals both in the short and the long term. We understand our fans are frustrated with recent performances and results. We are too. We want to reassure fans we have a realistic, achievable plan that is already underway, and that things will look very different in the not-too distant future."There, that wasn't difficult, was it? What (realistically) do you think the reaction would be to that from the average fan? And why would they send out a signal to other teams that they are looking to spend money? Exactly this. Buying players needs a poker face not showing everyone your hand |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Nov 15, 2023 19:44:05 GMT 1
It isn't difficult to SAY things, what is difficult is backing them up with actions. If they cant action what is said (to keep people happy) then there is no point saying anything as anything said will come back to bite them in the arse later down the line. Would anyone believe anything said at this point anyways? All any statement put would attract is a load of abuse and a 'we've heard it all before' from fans. Best thing the people involved in the running of the club can do at the moment is actually work to turn this situation around, not put out soundbites full of waffle and 'we are going to do...' just get it done and turn the club fortunes around. Exactly. You only have to look how much Cartwright's 'attacking football' quote has been weaponised against him/the club to see why they will now re-address how and what they communicate with the fans. The problem with that statement is, at best, he took the fans for fools, at worst he actually meant it, which means he has no reality of previous Moore teams. Of course fans are going to bring up when they've been lied to, like the total re-development of Canalside, which we were told had money ring-fenced specifically to give us an advantage in attracting players, suddenly halved. You can only judge people on what they say & do, if they don't match questions, quite rightly, will be asked. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Nov 15, 2023 19:56:54 GMT 1
Exactly. You only have to look how much Cartwright's 'attacking football' quote has been weaponised against him/the club to see why they will now re-address how and what they communicate with the fans.
This 100%. It seems like some are now giving the club carte blanche to just f*****g lie to supporters and insult our intelligence. If "re-address how and what they communicate with the fans" means they will start to tell the truth it is long overdue (and someone should send Darren Moore the memo quickly because his comments after Saturday suggested he hasn't seen it). |
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Post by duncfost01 on Nov 15, 2023 20:15:56 GMT 1
"We accept that things have not gone to plan of late but we have every confidence that things will improve. We have the core of a competitive squad and will look to significantly strengthen in key areas in January to give Darren and his team every chance of a successful second half of the season. We have already identified key targets we believe are both ambitious and realistic to help us achieve our goals both in the short and the long term. We understand our fans are frustrated with recent performances and results. We are too. We want to reassure fans we have a realistic, achievable plan that is already underway, and that things will look very different in the not-too distant future."There, that wasn't difficult, was it? What (realistically) do you think the reaction would be to that from the average fan? And why would they send out a signal to other teams that they are looking to spend money? “Core”…… we don’t have that. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Nov 15, 2023 22:12:06 GMT 1
The problem is, half the fans will use whatever is said as a stick to beat the club with, half will just post abuse in reply, another half will tell them that they shouldn’t be saying anything and Dunc will step closer to having an injunction placed on him for online stalking.
Or they stay quiet and another half of the fan base demands communication.
The club really can’t win.
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Post by runner76 on Nov 16, 2023 10:27:54 GMT 1
"We accept that things have not gone to plan of late but we have every confidence that things will improve. We have the core of a competitive squad and will look to significantly strengthen in key areas in January to give Darren and his team every chance of a successful second half of the season. We have already identified key targets we believe are both ambitious and realistic to help us achieve our goals both in the short and the long term. We understand our fans are frustrated with recent performances and results. We are too. We want to reassure fans we have a realistic, achievable plan that is already underway, and that things will look very different in the not-too distant future."There, that wasn't difficult, was it? You should get a job at the club….!! Like another poster also said, would be good to hear more from the other staff members brought in at different levels, just get some ideas of what’s going on off the grass…..if you only look at the official site, there’s not much to really feel positive about! |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 16, 2023 10:28:35 GMT 1
The problem is, half the fans will use whatever is said as a stick to beat the club with, half will just post abuse in reply, another half will tell them that they shouldn’t be saying anything and Dunc will step closer to having an injunction placed on him for online stalking. Or they stay quiet and another half of the fan base demands communication. The club really can’t win. Perfect example of people demanding communication, Dean Hoyle puts a statement out saying we won't sleepwalk to relegation. When we get relegated, it gets used as a stick to beat him and the club with. And not only that, people now use it every single season as a stick to beat the club with. No matter what the owner or the club does, it will be used as ammunition later on for whatever agenda is popular at that time. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Nov 16, 2023 11:16:53 GMT 1
"We accept that things have not gone to plan of late but we have every confidence that things will improve. We have the core of a competitive squad and will look to significantly strengthen in key areas in January to give Darren and his team every chance of a successful second half of the season. We have already identified key targets we believe are both ambitious and realistic to help us achieve our goals both in the short and the long term. We understand our fans are frustrated with recent performances and results. We are too. We want to reassure fans we have a realistic, achievable plan that is already underway, and that things will look very different in the not-too distant future."There, that wasn't difficult, was it? What (realistically) do you think the reaction would be to that from the average fan? And why would they send out a signal to other teams that they are looking to spend money? I think the average fan would say "sounds good, but I'll believe it when see it". As for other teams, I think it's naïve to think they won't expect us to be in the market. And the statement I posited doesn't actually say that. Could just as easily be loans and free agents. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Nov 16, 2023 11:17:43 GMT 1
The problem is, half the fans will use whatever is said as a stick to beat the club with, half will just post abuse in reply, another half will tell them that they shouldn’t be saying anything and Dunc will step closer to having an injunction placed on him for online stalking. Or they stay quiet and another half of the fan base demands communication. The club really can’t win. Perfect example of people demanding communication, Dean Hoyle puts a statement out saying we won't sleepwalk to relegation. When we get relegated, it gets used as a stick to beat him and the club with. And not only that, people now use it every single season as a stick to beat the club with. No matter what the owner or the club does, it will be used as ammunition later on for whatever agenda is popular at that time. We can say for sure now that we won't be sleepwalking into communication. |
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