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Post by willo on Nov 25, 2023 22:15:34 GMT 1
I'll tell you what is putting me off watching town at the moment and it's not the manager, performances or owners. It's the constant negativity from certain sections of our fan base. Negative towards the manager Negative towards the owner Negative towards the team Negative towards the results Negative towards anything the club try to do to improve supporter experience. You know who you are. You are the ones who booed the team off at half time which was uncalled for. We weren't great but we weren't shit either, we coped well with a side worth probably 20 times more than ours. Chanting at the manager for what was a sensible substitution. Nakayama played well. The fan base is becoming a cess pool of constant negativity and it's ruining the experience for many supporters. Nobody is happy with the way we are playing but those of us with more than one brain cell can see the situation we are in regarding injuries. Those of us with more than one brain cell can also see that there is absolutely fuck all right now we can do about it and that change has to come in January. Another manager isn't suddenly going to turn Hudlin into Halland and isn't going to turn Koroma into Messi. Maybe certain people should reflect on how constructive they are being and how much harm its possibly causing. If you call yourself a supporter maybe reflect for a second on what that means. Rant over Think you’re right. If you’re not happy, don’t bother attending rather than turning up and be booing the manager and players. Irrespective of what you might think, does nobody any good at all.
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Post by willo on Nov 25, 2023 22:20:16 GMT 1
Jackson is going to be a class player for us. Him and Headley played very well, we have two real talents on our hands there I think who will only get better. Thought that was a great point against a very good side. Second half I thought we outplayed them and with better finishing should have won. I have never known as poor an atmosphere as that in all the years of following town. Start of the second half you could hear a pin drop and the booing at half time was absolutely uncalled for. Agree, the amount of people around me moaning like fuck about anything they think off. But didn't appreciate anything good we did. Lord Warnock had us playing anti football first halves to keep us in with a chance and then attackng the game second half .......just like today. But somehow he was the miracle worker and Moore is a shit, despite having less players to pick from. Two take aways for me today, he's tightened the defense and we are gradually improving when we have the ball. Those players are playing for him and the club unlike under Fothers If DM has now realised that pretty much the only way to get anything from a game is to play it tight the first half and have a bit of a go in the 2nd (a la Warnock), then that also is an improvement although it’s taken him a while to figure it out. The fact remains that up to now, he’s had one good half v Coventry, a decent performance v Ipswich + the 2nd half of today’s game. Baby steps and all that, at least til the January window.
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Post by horaceofhorbury on Nov 25, 2023 22:26:12 GMT 1
Quite an entertaining second half after a dull first 45. Southampton very reminiscent of Swansea last year. Lots of possession, very little cutting edge. Seem to remember it was a lucky deflection got Swansea a win last year at their place. Just looked up the stats..................... Town had 23% posession in the match under Mr Warnock. The home game was nothing to write home about either, 0-0 draw. Town managed 25% possession that day under Mr Fotheringham. Most fair minded Town fans would have taken a point before kick off against a team near the top of the league. We got one.
And just a personal request that fellow supporters stop the division of their fellow fans into one of two camps. Either Doom Mongers or Happy Clappers. Particularly that latter. Any fan wanting to encourage or praise the team is somehow portrayed as hopelessly naive and gullible. Anyone urging a change of manager, player or tactics as a wholly negative voice incapable of showing the team genuine support. Neither is accurate. I do acknowledge that this does exclude the 1 or 2% or so who have an entirely peverse agenda by reason of supporting another team or of having some other purpose to be on the forum extraneous to football. We know who you are!
I think the vast majority support Town hence our presence on the forum so let's dial down the name calling in an era when people seem only too ready to label others and put them in a group to which they may not belong. The world is more complicated than that. It's a nuisance I know; but it is.
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Post by philatrickstarbuck on Nov 25, 2023 22:31:04 GMT 1
It does lad & that's a fact 👍🏻 How very big of you 👍 hiding behind your keyboard. Lol 🤣
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Post by bluesandtwos on Nov 25, 2023 22:32:07 GMT 1
That performance was very Warnock-esque today I felt. Mostly steady in the first half if not dicing with death a touch, and lucky not to concede before we did. Second half give it some, some passion and grit, plenty of chances created and a deserved goal and point for the efforts. One not Warnockesque feature being Ward, who managed to stay fit for Warnock but after returning from an injury lay off under DM he is now ill. Either Warnock is some form of shamen, healing ailing footballers, or Danny is picky about who he puts the extra effort in for. He had played 26 minutes of the 9 games before Warnock joined then played all but 2 of the last 15 under Warnock, one of those being the dead rubber against Reading. Is it just me being cynical or does that smack at lack of commitment to the club?
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Nov 25, 2023 22:33:49 GMT 1
Southampton taking that winger off because he dribbled around his own box bit them on the arse. He was their best player and they missed him a lot. Very petty from their manager/coaches to try and make an example of him If you mean the lad on the left, he should have been sent off anyway. That ref must've been given a season pass to the Isle of Wight on Red Funnel Ferries. For what? Ironic really that they took him off for being reckless defensively and then the lad they bring on for him fails to close down Jackson adequately resulting in a goal
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 25, 2023 22:39:02 GMT 1
If you mean the lad on the left, he should have been sent off anyway. That ref must've been given a season pass to the Isle of Wight on Red Funnel Ferries. For what? Ironic really that they took him off for being reckless defensively and then the lad they bring on for him fails to close down Jackson adequately resulting in a goal The ref booked Kasumu and Headley for kicking the ball away, then refused to book him for doing the same despite Town players pointing out the inconsistency. He then got booked for smashing Kas. Then the dickhead with the whistle booked Jacko for knocking the ball away. So why was it a yellow card for Town players but not Southamptons 🤷
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 25, 2023 22:47:22 GMT 1
I'll tell you what is putting me off watching town at the moment and it's not the manager, performances or owners. It's the constant negativity from certain sections of our fan base. Negative towards the manager Negative towards the owner Negative towards the team Negative towards the results Negative towards anything the club try to do to improve supporter experience. You know who you are. You are the ones who booed the team off at half time which was uncalled for. We weren't great but we weren't shit either, we coped well with a side worth probably 20 times more than ours. Chanting at the manager for what was a sensible substitution. Nakayama played well. The fan base is becoming a cess pool of constant negativity and it's ruining the experience for many supporters. Nobody is happy with the way we are playing but those of us with more than one brain cell can see the situation we are in regarding injuries. Those of us with more than one brain cell can also see that there is absolutely fuck all right now we can do about it and that change has to come in January. Another manager isn't suddenly going to turn Hudlin into Halland and isn't going to turn Koroma into Messi. Maybe certain people should reflect on how constructive they are being and how much harm its possibly causing. If you call yourself a supporter maybe reflect for a second on what that means. Rant over Not quite true, Ern. Your first 5 points, guilty as charged (as you've mentioned previously 😉). However I didn't boo the team off or complain about Big Daves first substitution, I was confused at first but after a couple of seconds thinking about it, it made complete sense.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Nov 25, 2023 23:00:14 GMT 1
Much improved second half but that first half was a stinker.
Ben Jackson looks to be living up to his academy status now and is working hard to be a regular feature in the team, he was everywhere today, well played, Ben 👏
We need to take that second half into the Sunderland game now and get a much needed 3 points.
We need to start games better but some positives overall.
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Post by Terriersmad on Nov 25, 2023 23:10:49 GMT 1
Much improved. I don't think we did badly in the first half, just didn't click. Our forwards ended up isolated and, despite best efforts, couldn't really get in the game. Despite that, we should have had a penalty when their lad knocked it off Headley's toe as he advanced, getting ready to shoot. It wasn't like Southampton were carving us open either; they had that spell in the last 10 minutes of the half, but despite having good efforts they were from range and weren't really seeing the whites of Maxwell's eyes until they scored. Worth pointing out that he was good. The one position we have no worries (well, one of two) is in goal.
In the second half we looked more cohesive. We pressed more as a unit. We looked like a team and we fought as a team. We got on the front foot and should have been level long before we were. What I liked about Jackson's goal was that it was exactly what a left-footed player should be doing there. Wicked cross, right on the back stick, awkward height, and the keeper couldn't commit in case there was a touch. Some might say it's luck, but it's more playing the percentages beautifully. And he was very good - again. The right-back spot is his for my money now.
We're a very limited side, even more so with injuries. With a full first team, we win that game, but in the circumstances it's a good point against a side at the top end of the table. We're going to be treading water until January, but with that bit of fight we've shown in the last couple of home games we'll pick up points. Just to be hoped that none of the players who went off today are out long-term. Headley was cramp, so he'll be fine, but the other three were all limping at best.
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Post by Big Ern on Nov 25, 2023 23:12:14 GMT 1
I'll tell you what is putting me off watching town at the moment and it's not the manager, performances or owners. It's the constant negativity from certain sections of our fan base. Negative towards the manager Negative towards the owner Negative towards the team Negative towards the results Negative towards anything the club try to do to improve supporter experience. You know who you are. You are the ones who booed the team off at half time which was uncalled for. We weren't great but we weren't shit either, we coped well with a side worth probably 20 times more than ours. Chanting at the manager for what was a sensible substitution. Nakayama played well. The fan base is becoming a cess pool of constant negativity and it's ruining the experience for many supporters. Nobody is happy with the way we are playing but those of us with more than one brain cell can see the situation we are in regarding injuries. Those of us with more than one brain cell can also see that there is absolutely fuck all right now we can do about it and that change has to come in January. Another manager isn't suddenly going to turn Hudlin into Halland and isn't going to turn Koroma into Messi. Maybe certain people should reflect on how constructive they are being and how much harm its possibly causing. If you call yourself a supporter maybe reflect for a second on what that means. Rant over Not quite true, Ern. Your first 5 points, guilty as charged (as you've mentioned previously 😉). However I didn't boo the team off or complain about Big Daves first substitution, I was confused at first but after a couple of seconds thinking about it, it made complete sense. Mate I'm not specifically referring to you at all. It's a comment about the general resentment. I truly fail to see how anyone without agenda can't be encouraged by that second half today, I really can't.
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Post by impact on Nov 25, 2023 23:15:06 GMT 1
For what? Ironic really that they took him off for being reckless defensively and then the lad they bring on for him fails to close down Jackson adequately resulting in a goal The ref booked Kasumu and Headley for kicking the ball away, then refused to book him for doing the same despite Town players pointing out the inconsistency. He then got booked for smashing Kas. Then the dickhead with the whistle booked Jacko for knocking the ball away. So why was it a yellow card for Town players but not Southamptons 🤷 That doesnt mean it's a red card though. On a yellow card he's unlikely to make the same challenge.
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Post by tockyterrier on Nov 25, 2023 23:19:05 GMT 1
That performance was very Warnock-esque today I felt. Mostly steady in the first half if not dicing with death a touch, and lucky not to concede before we did. Second half give it some, some passion and grit, plenty of chances created and a deserved goal and point for the efforts. One not Warnockesque feature being Ward, who managed to stay fit for Warnock but after returning from an injury lay off under DM he is now ill. Either Warnock is some form of shamen, healing ailing footballers, or Danny is picky about who he puts the extra effort in for. He had played 26 minutes of the 9 games before Warnock joined then played all but 2 of the last 15 under Warnock, one of those being the dead rubber against Reading. Is it just me being cynical or does that smack at lack of commitment to the club? Don't know. But I do know you don't get prescribed antibiotics because you don't fancy playing.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Nov 25, 2023 23:24:37 GMT 1
I'll tell you what is putting me off watching town at the moment and it's not the manager, performances or owners. It's the constant negativity from certain sections of our fan base. Negative towards the manager Negative towards the owner Negative towards the team Negative towards the results Negative towards anything the club try to do to improve supporter experience. You know who you are. You are the ones who booed the team off at half time which was uncalled for. We weren't great but we weren't shit either, we coped well with a side worth probably 20 times more than ours. Chanting at the manager for what was a sensible substitution. Nakayama played well. The fan base is becoming a cess pool of constant negativity and it's ruining the experience for many supporters. Nobody is happy with the way we are playing but those of us with more than one brain cell can see the situation we are in regarding injuries. Those of us with more than one brain cell can also see that there is absolutely fuck all right now we can do about it and that change has to come in January. Another manager isn't suddenly going to turn Hudlin into Halland and isn't going to turn Koroma into Messi. Maybe certain people should reflect on how constructive they are being and how much harm its possibly causing. If you call yourself a supporter maybe reflect for a second on what that means. Rant over Think you’re right. If you’re not happy, don’t bother attending rather than turning up and be booing the manager and players. Irrespective of what you might think, does nobody any good at all. It’s so incredibly counter productive. But we do have our fair share of thickos so I wasn’t very surprised. Moore takes credit today for me. I thought we were unlucky against a good Southampton. Yea we have a decimated and poor quality squad but I saw many positives which can hopefully spark an upturn in form.
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Post by harris on Nov 25, 2023 23:28:47 GMT 1
I'll tell you what is putting me off watching town at the moment and it's not the manager, performances or owners. It's the constant negativity from certain sections of our fan base. Negative towards the manager Negative towards the owner Negative towards the team Negative towards the results Negative towards anything the club try to do to improve supporter experience. You know who you are. You are the ones who booed the team off at half time which was uncalled for. We weren't great but we weren't shit either, we coped well with a side worth probably 20 times more than ours. Chanting at the manager for what was a sensible substitution. Nakayama played well. The fan base is becoming a cess pool of constant negativity and it's ruining the experience for many supporters. Nobody is happy with the way we are playing but those of us with more than one brain cell can see the situation we are in regarding injuries. Those of us with more than one brain cell can also see that there is absolutely fuck all right now we can do about it and that change has to come in January. Another manager isn't suddenly going to turn Hudlin into Halland and isn't going to turn Koroma into Messi. Maybe certain people should reflect on how constructive they are being and how much harm its possibly causing. If you call yourself a supporter maybe reflect for a second on what that means. Rant over There was a bloke on the front row of the Riverside Upper punching the advertising hoardings in front of him and screaming abuse at Moore for the Nakayama sub & then when he went backwards instead of crossing. How these people overcome daily challenges at home or at work… I’ll never know.
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Post by jakeg on Nov 25, 2023 23:33:02 GMT 1
Not quite true, Ern. Your first 5 points, guilty as charged (as you've mentioned previously 😉). However I didn't boo the team off or complain about Big Daves first substitution, I was confused at first but after a couple of seconds thinking about it, it made complete sense. Mate I'm not specifically referring to you at all. It's a comment about the general resentment. I truly fail to see how anyone without agenda can't be encouraged by that second half today, I really can't. Agree completely. Some numpties behind me spent entire first half berating every move then barely a peep out of them when we threatened in the second half. Sometimes we need to look only at the performance in that moment rather than the whole wider circumstances. Defensively and in our organisation we were superb all game....and in the second pressed harder and flustered them. Yes we didn't create as much as harry them into mistakes to capitalise on but still..really encouraging. Southamptons football in the second half in particular was brain dead. They had the game in their hands and then continued to try and play out when they were pressed and couldn't cope. No plan B. That's one of those modern football things I hate... you have to recognise the circumstances and adapt but we didn't let them. Real effort and application all round....clearly playing for the manager. Nakayama sub made sense to me....burgzorg just back and likely not fit for the 70 minutes he would have had to play. I know we need to improve and pick up those wins but I agree that you'd have to be really strange not to see the positives in the second half
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Post by Torquayterrier on Nov 25, 2023 23:39:30 GMT 1
Busy all weekend looking after the other half's grandchild so only seen a few comments. However small, the tiniest glimpse of positivity from today's game against what should on paper be a vastly superior team. Obviously only time will tell if this is genuine progress or a blip on an otherwise downward trajectory. As fans we can only hope for the former.
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Post by royrace on Nov 25, 2023 23:43:44 GMT 1
The positive of the game was Ben Jackson, what a superb performance and a thoroughly well earned equaliser.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 25, 2023 23:47:54 GMT 1
The positive of the game was Ben Jackson, what a superb performance and a thoroughly well earned winner. Agreed. Him, Yuta and Thomas had great games today.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 25, 2023 23:49:43 GMT 1
Busy all weekend looking after the other half's grandchild so only seen a few comments. However small, the tiniest glimpse of positivity from today's game against what should on paper be a vastly superior team. Obviously only time will tell if this is genuine progress or a blip on an otherwise downward trajectory. As fans we can only hope for the former. To emphasise the superiority in quality of Southampton. Che Adams was on the bench.
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Post by alfredsterrier on Nov 25, 2023 23:51:28 GMT 1
A decent point under the circumstances. It felt like an away performance at home, where we looked to keep it tight first half and then have a go. Carlos did it a lot during the unbeaten run as well and it makes sense with a limited squad. A shame in some respects as when we did give it a go we didn’t look too bad. Jackson played well as did Headley. Sorba has really stepped up and I felt he was trying a bit too hard today and he was forcing things a bit but I am never going to criticise him for having a go and taking the responsibility. I just wish that rather than adapting to the opposition we had a style and played it and let the opposition worry about us. Southampton struck me as a bit arrogant and I wonder if they felt they just had to turn up and they would win? Shame about some of the injuries and I totally agree with an earlier comment on Ward.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 25, 2023 23:56:16 GMT 1
The positive of the game was Ben Jackson, what a superb performance and a thoroughly well earned winner. Winner? Have I missed something?
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 25, 2023 23:59:56 GMT 1
The positive of the game was Ben Jackson, what a superb performance and a thoroughly well earned winner. Winner? Have I missed something? Go on admit it Art. Did you recheck the result? 😀
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Post by royrace on Nov 26, 2023 0:05:10 GMT 1
The positive of the game was Ben Jackson, what a superb performance and a thoroughly well earned winner. Winner? Have I missed something? Lol slip of the tongue, I'm so easy pleased at the moment it felt like a winner I guess
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 26, 2023 0:21:19 GMT 1
We’re a strange side.
I missed the Leicester C game, but it sounded like we could have nicked a point?
Ipswich, should have had the nous to hang on and win.
Despite the first half, we could have won today.
That’s 3 of the top 4 that we’ve done OK against, but we just can’t get our bloody noses in front and stay there.
Hopefully they’ll take that spirit into the midweek game.
UTT!!!
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Post by mids on Nov 26, 2023 0:27:32 GMT 1
The positive of the game was Ben Jackson, what a superb performance and a thoroughly well earned winner. Agreed. Him, Yuta and Thomas had great games today. So did Headley. Good player that lad.
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Post by jakeg on Nov 26, 2023 0:30:26 GMT 1
Agreed. Him, Yuta and Thomas had great games today. So did Headley. Good player that lad. Yeah he looks like he's got a good career if he continues to improve. I think with him.its tying down what he actually is....left back? Left wing back? Winger?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 26, 2023 0:32:22 GMT 1
So did Headley. Good player that lad. Yeah he looks like he's got a good career if he continues to improve. I think with him.its tying down what he actually is....left back? Left wing back? Winger? Utility man.
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Post by mids on Nov 26, 2023 0:34:03 GMT 1
First half was poor. Second half was better. But don't be lulled into thinking even that level is acceptable...it isn't. It needs to be better and hopefully once we have a few better players it could be.
We have very little creativity, or moments to get us out of our seats. There is no guile and we're predictable.
We have to be better...in all phases. We also need a healthier squad...and a full bench as there's zero excuse for having 5 spaces free on the bench in two home games. It does Moore no favours.
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Post by detox on Nov 26, 2023 0:55:29 GMT 1
Didn't think we missed Wiles at all today, hope he takes his time to recover...
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