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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Nov 26, 2023 10:52:13 GMT 1
Problem is people make up their mind about something very quickly and aren’t open enough to have it changed.So they rock up to the game with an idea of what something is and it doesn’t matter what happens before their actual eyes they won’t have it. Like I said on another thread it was a decent performance today. The booing of the sub was ridiculous in my opinion,striker goes off,only “striker” on bench came back to training maybe a couple of days ago so probably had realistically 20/25 minutes in him.Had a player already on the field who has played up front before and a lad playing left wing back who can move forwards as that type of player…it made sense. I then had people around me questioning why he took off koroma and Kasumu which again I thought was fairly obvious given how much football they have missed…🤷🏻 Spot on. In business speak it’s the difference between a closed mindset and an open mindset - lots of closed minds when it comes to football. It’s not particularly healthy to be arriving for a hobby in a state of barely contained fury, although to some degree it’s the way people’s brains are wired.
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Post by townrwe on Nov 26, 2023 11:00:53 GMT 1
Problem is people make up their mind about something very quickly and aren’t open enough to have it changed.So they rock up to the game with an idea of what something is and it doesn’t matter what happens before their actual eyes they won’t have it. Like I said on another thread it was a decent performance today. The booing of the sub was ridiculous in my opinion,striker goes off,only “striker” on bench came back to training maybe a couple of days ago so probably had realistically 20/25 minutes in him.Had a player already on the field who has played up front before and a lad playing left wing back who can move forwards as that type of player…it made sense. I then had people around me questioning why he took off koroma and Kasumu which again I thought was fairly obvious given how much football they have missed…🤷🏻 Spot on. In business speak it’s the difference between a closed mindset and an open mindset - lots of closed minds when it comes to football. It’s not particularly healthy to be arriving for a hobby in a state of barely contained fury, although to some degree it’s the way people’s brains are wired. Closed mindset is a result of the situation. Many of the posters had an open mindset quickly when wagner came in and developed one when warnock returned. I get your point, but mindset in alot of people is developed by experience and management, its not the fault of the individual its the result of poor management and poor working environments.
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Post by dezzly on Nov 26, 2023 11:02:54 GMT 1
👍🏻 all I’ll say is was it not 3 players out in the 24 hours.1 illness,1 a keeper,but yeh it’s down to him flogging them.I could pick you up on other stuff but there’s a lovely brick wall I need to go bang my head on. You could... but you can't. All training comes with risk... you mention contact injuries, they don't happen in the shower, why are we risking intense contact at this point? Illness is more virulent when your worn down. You can twist facts to your own agenda... but you can't argue with them. But they aren’t facts are they.Rudoni was a contact injury…in a game,not training.that ward got ill because he’s run down is 100% twisting in my opinion,it could be true in fairness but also you could just say it’s end of November,people pick up bugs at this time of year.Also you say you identified that he’s over working them because he said they worked in the international break.You weren’t there…therefore again that is not fact.Work doesn’t necessarily mean they’re running up and down like mad men,one of the coaches on that interview last week even said they had done a lot of “classroom” stuff to get info across it could have been 50/50 between that and on the pitch. So if anyone is twisting facts it’s yourself. I don’t have an agenda iv said a million times I don’t know if he’s the right man at all but what I do think(think…not know) is that there are elements there where I have to wait and see.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Nov 26, 2023 11:08:44 GMT 1
Spot on. In business speak it’s the difference between a closed mindset and an open mindset - lots of closed minds when it comes to football. It’s not particularly healthy to be arriving for a hobby in a state of barely contained fury, although to some degree it’s the way people’s brains are wired. Closed mindset is a result of the situation. Many of the posters had an open mindset quickly when wagner came in and developed one when warnock returned. I get your point, but mindset in alot of people is developed by experience and management, its not the fault of the individual its the result of poor management and poor working environments. Wrong. People are generally on a spectrum of closed to open mindset when approaching situations - it’s part of a personality. I’ve had specific training on it to help with line managing people in the past, and noticed it in many people. Admittedly an open mind on a particular situation can become closed, but that’s a section rather than the whole. Completely closing our mind to the team, players, Nagle and Moore at this stage is premature and unhelpful - for the team and fans’ mental health.
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Post by townrwe on Nov 26, 2023 11:19:20 GMT 1
Closed mindset is a result of the situation. Many of the posters had an open mindset quickly when wagner came in and developed one when warnock returned. I get your point, but mindset in alot of people is developed by experience and management, its not the fault of the individual its the result of poor management and poor working environments. Wrong. People are generally on a spectrum of closed to open mindset when approaching situations - it’s part of a personality. I’ve had specific training on it to help with line managing people in the past, and noticed it in many people. Admittedly an open mind on a particular situation can become closed, but that’s a section rather than the whole. Completely closing our mind to the team, players, Nagle and Moore at this stage is premature and unhelpful - for the team and fans’ mental health. Open minds have become closed with Moore, closed minds became open with Wagner... management and environment are key. It's the swing that's important in an organisation, currently a management team that is difficult to engage with and a vision not many people belive in are the reason for the swing in mindset. I'm more into the fixed and growth mindset in the coaching I do and its easy to flip someone into a fixed mindset by just one comment, but takes good management to keep playing in a growth mindset.
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Post by townrwe on Nov 26, 2023 11:25:40 GMT 1
You could... but you can't. All training comes with risk... you mention contact injuries, they don't happen in the shower, why are we risking intense contact at this point? Illness is more virulent when your worn down. You can twist facts to your own agenda... but you can't argue with them. But they aren’t facts are they.Rudoni was a contact injury…in a game,not training.that ward got ill because he’s run down is 100% twisting in my opinion,it could be true in fairness but also you could just say it’s end of November,people pick up bugs at this time of year.Also you say you identified that he’s over working them because he said they worked in the international break.You weren’t there…therefore again that is not fact.Work doesn’t necessarily mean they’re running up and down like mad men,one of the coaches on that interview last week even said they had done a lot of “classroom” stuff to get info across it could have been 50/50 between that and on the pitch. So if anyone is twisting facts it’s yourself. I don’t have an agenda iv said a million times I don’t know if he’s the right man at all but what I do think(think…not know) is that there are elements there where I have to wait and see. He will fail... its obvious to see, unless Nagle is going to throw a chequebook at buying players.
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Post by dezzly on Nov 26, 2023 11:32:03 GMT 1
But they aren’t facts are they.Rudoni was a contact injury…in a game,not training.that ward got ill because he’s run down is 100% twisting in my opinion,it could be true in fairness but also you could just say it’s end of November,people pick up bugs at this time of year.Also you say you identified that he’s over working them because he said they worked in the international break.You weren’t there…therefore again that is not fact.Work doesn’t necessarily mean they’re running up and down like mad men,one of the coaches on that interview last week even said they had done a lot of “classroom” stuff to get info across it could have been 50/50 between that and on the pitch. So if anyone is twisting facts it’s yourself. I don’t have an agenda iv said a million times I don’t know if he’s the right man at all but what I do think(think…not know) is that there are elements there where I have to wait and see. He will fail... its obvious to see, unless Nagle is going to throw a chequebook at buying players. On that I think you are probably right,he needs the players or he’s no chance.
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Post by ram on Nov 26, 2023 11:41:22 GMT 1
J called it a draw in the vote and I wasn,t surprised when we equalized. Southampton are a good side.Credit where credit is due! I don,t attend now because of health but when I did attend I never booed the players.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Nov 26, 2023 11:47:59 GMT 1
Wrong. People are generally on a spectrum of closed to open mindset when approaching situations - it’s part of a personality. I’ve had specific training on it to help with line managing people in the past, and noticed it in many people. Admittedly an open mind on a particular situation can become closed, but that’s a section rather than the whole. Completely closing our mind to the team, players, Nagle and Moore at this stage is premature and unhelpful - for the team and fans’ mental health. Open minds have become closed with Moore, closed minds became open with Wagner... management and environment are key. It's the swing that's important in an organisation, currently a management team that is difficult to engage with and a vision not many people belive in are the reason for the swing in mindset. I'm more into the fixed and growth mindset in the coaching I do and its easy to flip someone into a fixed mindset by just one comment, but takes good management to keep playing in a growth mindset. “Closed minds became open with Wagner”. They became open because of success. You’re not a growth or closed mindset in hindsight, it’s how you approach the unknown and what might happen. Lots of closed minds yesterday, if people went with an open mind and realistic about the challenges we face then the lads would’ve been backed and it would’ve been an enjoyable(ish) game - certainly more so than many in the recent past.
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Post by rockwall on Nov 26, 2023 11:55:09 GMT 1
How's your head this morning? Fine, ive withdrawn my support of the manager, totally and any engagement other than watching some games ive already paid for via my season ticket. I refuse to join in any song that mentions Darren Moore, but will support all the players. My son is asking for an emley kit for Xmas and pleading with me to take him there rather than watching Booreball. In reality you lose the young fans first, then the casual fans and then those on the fence of having better things to do than blindly follow the rubbish served up. No-one can argue that 6 points out of 10 isn't good enough and is a sackable offence at any level. It isn't good enough, but I'm sure the length of time you have been supporting you have seen worse runs. My views on Moore are very mixed, I am willing to wait until we have a fit squad and a transfer window before I make my mind up. I could see why we appointed him, I was pleased at first. But right now, my head is swayed towards it being the wrong appointment. It has been only glimpses, but first 15 V QPR, 2nd half yesterday, 2nd half at Cov, 1st half V Ipswich, they have all shown what he can do. Issue is, short periods of spells aren't good enough. I accept people not taking to Moore, he is dull and his manner is placid. I wasn't a fan of Carlos, and the form under him in his 1st season was abysmal, worse than now. But sticking by someone and giving then time, clearly worked. Carlos had the injury issues and lack of squad depth, same as Moore now. Fingers crossed your son and yourself can turn back up at the JSS and cheer the team on!!
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Post by Wingman on Nov 26, 2023 12:55:00 GMT 1
How's your head this morning? Fine, ive withdrawn my support of the manager, totally and any engagement other than watching some games ive already paid for via my season ticket. I refuse to join in any song that mentions Darren Moore, but will support all the players. This is petulant. If you can’t support the CLUB, then should go support Emley with your lad. You wouldn’t be missed based on your current OTT hatred for Moore. Edit: I understand frustration at times but singling out one man for this kind of intolerance is ridiculous. We’ve seen it before and those criticising seem to forget there will be other factors at play.
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Post by jasrick on Nov 26, 2023 13:09:30 GMT 1
Spot on. In business speak it’s the difference between a closed mindset and an open mindset - lots of closed minds when it comes to football. It’s not particularly healthy to be arriving for a hobby in a state of barely contained fury, although to some degree it’s the way people’s brains are wired. Closed mindset is a result of the situation. Many of the posters had an open mindset quickly when wagner came in and developed one when warnock returned. I get your point, but mindset in alot of people is developed by experience and management, its not the fault of the individual its the result of poor management and poor working environments. I don’t see how it’s possible for an individual to blame their mindset on anyone else. There’s only one person in control of what an individual thinks and that is the said individual (unless Derren Brown is involved)!
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Post by Big Ern on Nov 26, 2023 13:27:16 GMT 1
Fine, ive withdrawn my support of the manager, totally and any engagement other than watching some games ive already paid for via my season ticket. I refuse to join in any song that mentions Darren Moore, but will support all the players. This is petulant. If you can’t support the CLUB, then should go support Emley with your lad. You wouldn’t be missed based on your current OTT hatred for Moore. Edit: I understand frustration at times but singling out one man for this kind of intolerance is ridiculous. We’ve seen it before and those criticising seem to forget there will be other factors at play. Moore showed signs in the second half yesterday of exactly what he can achieve with better players. The injuries this last few weeks have been unprecedented, particularly given such a tiny squad which by the way is absolutely not his fault. I think some people need to calm down.
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Nov 26, 2023 14:04:05 GMT 1
How's your head this morning? Fine, ive withdrawn my support of the manager, totally and any engagement other than watching some games ive already paid for via my season ticket. I refuse to join in any song that mentions Darren Moore, but will support all the players. My son is asking for an emley kit for Xmas and pleading with me to take him there rather than watching Booreball. In reality you lose the young fans first, then the casual fans and then those on the fence of having better things to do than blindly follow the rubbish served up. No-one can argue that 6 points out of 10 isn't good enough and is a sackable offence at any level. That's one hell of a protest - it'll shake the club to its core.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 26, 2023 15:24:27 GMT 1
This is petulant. If you can’t support the CLUB, then should go support Emley with your lad. You wouldn’t be missed based on your current OTT hatred for Moore. Edit: I understand frustration at times but singling out one man for this kind of intolerance is ridiculous. We’ve seen it before and those criticising seem to forget there will be other factors at play. Moore showed signs in the second half yesterday of exactly what he can achieve with better players. The injuries this last few weeks have been unprecedented, particularly given such a tiny squad which by the way is absolutely not his fault. I think some people need to calm down. I swear theres a weird element of our support who would rather the club get relegated and be proved right than the club do well and be proved wrong. They'll be disappointed the 2nd half performance and the late equaliser has poured cold water on their moaning for a few days at least.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 26, 2023 15:27:41 GMT 1
Moore showed signs in the second half yesterday of exactly what he can achieve with better players. The injuries this last few weeks have been unprecedented, particularly given such a tiny squad which by the way is absolutely not his fault. I think some people need to calm down. I swear theres a weird element of our support who would rather the club get relegated and be proved right than the club do well and be proved wrong. They'll be disappointed the 2nd half performance and the late equaliser has poured cold water on their moaning for a few days at least. There was a staggering amount of people around me who left with 10 minutes to go yesterday. Missed the part where we all got behind our team and the equaliser.
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Post by townrwe on Nov 26, 2023 15:57:32 GMT 1
Closed mindset is a result of the situation. Many of the posters had an open mindset quickly when wagner came in and developed one when warnock returned. I get your point, but mindset in alot of people is developed by experience and management, its not the fault of the individual its the result of poor management and poor working environments. I don’t see how it’s possible for an individual to blame their mindset on anyone else. There’s only one person in control of what an individual thinks and that is the said individual (unless Derren Brown is involved)! Incorrect... mindset is pretty much always influenced. Family, coaches, media... why is propaganda such an important war tool. Now its every day social media.
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Post by swam4mwg on Nov 26, 2023 16:01:54 GMT 1
Winning some games usually helps.
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Post by goodbet on Nov 26, 2023 16:13:34 GMT 1
Moore showed signs in the second half yesterday of exactly what he can achieve with better players. The injuries this last few weeks have been unprecedented, particularly given such a tiny squad which by the way is absolutely not his fault. I think some people need to calm down. I swear theres a weird element of our support who would rather the club get relegated and be proved right than the club do well and be proved wrong. They'll be disappointed the 2nd half performance and the late equaliser has poured cold water on their moaning for a few days at least. We have not been poor we have been somewhere between terrible and just stuck in reverse. In the first half we had 18% of the play and although not good a bit better than we have been previously. In the second half Southampton came out and thought that the game was over (they must have seen the Hull game). With a little less pressure on the ball our players the time to play a little football and grew into the game. We got lucky when the so called second shot on target was a goal, but we could all see that it was a cross. We have to be thankful for the breaks when we get them. So hopefully we have stopped the rot, not enough proof to say we have turned the corner as yet, time will tell. We still have a tiny squad not DM's fault but the club management are to blame for this and can't be changed until January.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Nov 26, 2023 16:49:29 GMT 1
I don’t see how it’s possible for an individual to blame their mindset on anyone else. There’s only one person in control of what an individual thinks and that is the said individual (unless Derren Brown is involved)! Incorrect... mindset is pretty much always influenced. Family, coaches, media... why is propaganda such an important war tool. Now its every day social media. Actually spot on. Too many lemmings.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Nov 26, 2023 17:33:18 GMT 1
If we go down it will be nothing to do with the atmosphere! Least of my worries. Not surprising people are negative and pissed off. It's well earned. But is it? Are the players trying Is the manager working hard Is the owner willing to invest when rules allow Are any of the 3 trying to bring the club down. No!
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Nov 26, 2023 17:37:54 GMT 1
I swear theres a weird element of our support who would rather the club get relegated and be proved right than the club do well and be proved wrong. They'll be disappointed the 2nd half performance and the late equaliser has poured cold water on their moaning for a few days at least. There was a staggering amount of people around me who left with 10 minutes to go yesterday. Missed the part where we all got behind our team and the equaliser. I am stunned by people leaving early when the game is still there to be won. And those standing near the exit and blocking the view of those still staying to the end, should be shot.
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Post by menstonterrier on Nov 26, 2023 17:42:49 GMT 1
Chap in front of me yesterday thought we were under a transfer embargo.
We were earlier in the season but does it still apply?
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Nov 26, 2023 17:51:03 GMT 1
Chap in front of me yesterday thought we were under a transfer embargo. We were earlier in the season but does it still apply? No
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Post by goodbet on Nov 26, 2023 18:21:03 GMT 1
If we go down it will be nothing to do with the atmosphere! Least of my worries. Not surprising people are negative and pissed off. It's well earned. But is it? Are the players trying Is the manager working hard Is the owner willing to invest when rules allow Are any of the 3 trying to bring the club down. No! We don't know what is happening in truth. Are the players trying YesIs the manager working hard I hope so, but he looks and sounds off itIs the owner willing to invest when rules allow Mr Chicken made it clear that this was not a problem, so still an open question based on the summer window.Are any of the 3 trying to bring the club down. No! I doubt it, intentionally. With a view on the summer widow, incompetence and the inability to know what a championship player is may well do.
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 27, 2023 1:18:12 GMT 1
You could... but you can't. All training comes with risk... you mention contact injuries, they don't happen in the shower, why are we risking intense contact at this point? Illness is more virulent when your worn down. You can twist facts to your own agenda... but you can't argue with them. But they aren’t facts are they.Rudoni was a contact injury…in a game,not training.that ward got ill because he’s run down is 100% twisting in my opinion,it could be true in fairness but also you could just say it’s end of November,people pick up bugs at this time of year.Also you say you identified that he’s over working them because he said they worked in the international break.You weren’t there…therefore again that is not fact.Work doesn’t necessarily mean they’re running up and down like mad men,one of the coaches on that interview last week even said they had done a lot of “classroom” stuff to get info across it could have been 50/50 between that and on the pitch. So if anyone is twisting facts it’s yourself. I don’t have an agenda iv said a million times I don’t know if he’s the right man at all but what I do think(think…not know) is that there are elements there where I have to wait and see. They are *definitely* not overworked in terms of training load.
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 27, 2023 7:19:38 GMT 1
Oh goody. As if management-speak bollocks wasn't bad enough at work, it's starting on here 🥴🥴🥴
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Post by royrace on Nov 27, 2023 9:57:11 GMT 1
Well maybe he's realising he can't flog a small squad. But the injury crisis is his own making. Pre match presser that I caught before the game on radio Leeds, because I can't listen to them and he mentioned work? Work and working during the international break. I took the jumble of words as they had worked intensly during the break. Suicide in itself when your squad is at breaking point... then harratt pulls up with a muscle injury and same with Headley. Taking them off and only letting them play 30 minutes on the sole advixe of the medical dept, not hks own thoughts when nakayama has been away on international duty is box ticking, not management and understanding the situation. Nakayama will break next. 5 players out in 24 hours after 2 weeks of international break when workloads could have been managed. 5 players for the bench on Wednesday as it stands. 👍🏻 all I’ll say is was it not 3 players out in the 24 hours.1 illness,1 a keeper,but yeh it’s down to him flogging them.I could pick you up on other stuff but there’s a lovely brick wall I need to go bang my head on. The number of injuries is a concern, it could be bad luck or coincidence, or it could be down to training methods and/or changing the coaching team at the time in the season they did. Matt Glennon pretty much said the same during the 3 minute window I was able to get RL reception on the way home. There comes a point when you need to accept there is a reason for all the injuries.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 10:14:53 GMT 1
👍🏻 all I’ll say is was it not 3 players out in the 24 hours.1 illness,1 a keeper,but yeh it’s down to him flogging them.I could pick you up on other stuff but there’s a lovely brick wall I need to go bang my head on. The number of injuries is a concern, it could be bad luck or coincidence, or it could be down to training methods and/or changing the coaching team at the time in the season they did. Matt Glennon pretty much said the same during the 3 minute window I was able to get RL reception on the way home. There comes a point when you need to accept there is a reason for all the injuries. I hear the head of medical has just left the club.
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Post by dezzly on Nov 27, 2023 10:27:58 GMT 1
👍🏻 all I’ll say is was it not 3 players out in the 24 hours.1 illness,1 a keeper,but yeh it’s down to him flogging them.I could pick you up on other stuff but there’s a lovely brick wall I need to go bang my head on. The number of injuries is a concern, it could be bad luck or coincidence, or it could be down to training methods and/or changing the coaching team at the time in the season they did. Matt Glennon pretty much said the same during the 3 minute window I was able to get RL reception on the way home. There comes a point when you need to accept there is a reason for all the injuries. True.I personally just don’t think all the injuries have come from training.You can put probably 3/4 in the bracket of a change in training methods though.I think training under Warnock was extremely light so any increase I suppose can lead to a few.A few more and yes at that point i would have to agree that maybe something needs changing.
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