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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 27, 2023 10:28:03 GMT 1
The number of injuries is a concern, it could be bad luck or coincidence, or it could be down to training methods and/or changing the coaching team at the time in the season they did. Matt Glennon pretty much said the same during the 3 minute window I was able to get RL reception on the way home. There comes a point when you need to accept there is a reason for all the injuries. I hear the head of medical has just left the club. Dr D'eath?
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 27, 2023 11:08:42 GMT 1
👍🏻 all I’ll say is was it not 3 players out in the 24 hours.1 illness,1 a keeper,but yeh it’s down to him flogging them.I could pick you up on other stuff but there’s a lovely brick wall I need to go bang my head on. The number of injuries is a concern, it could be bad luck or coincidence, or it could be down to training methods and/or changing the coaching team at the time in the season they did. Matt Glennon pretty much said the same during the 3 minute window I was able to get RL reception on the way home. There comes a point when you need to accept there is a reason for all the injuries. Its been an issue over the past few managers though, who all have different coaches and different training methods, so not sure its down to coaching. Carlos had a bad injury situation in his first season, Fotheringham's was even worse and now again we seem to be in the middle of an injury crisis. The only constant is Brooky...too much starch in the kit, has to be!
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Post by 2ellandback on Nov 27, 2023 12:27:53 GMT 1
The number of injuries is a concern, it could be bad luck or coincidence, or it could be down to training methods and/or changing the coaching team at the time in the season they did. Matt Glennon pretty much said the same during the 3 minute window I was able to get RL reception on the way home. There comes a point when you need to accept there is a reason for all the injuries. Its been an issue over the past few managers though, who all have different coaches and different training methods, so not sure its down to coaching. Carlos had a bad injury situation in his first season, Fotheringham's was even worse and now again we seem to be in the middle of an injury crisis. The only constant is Brooky...too much starch in the kit, has to be! Maybe I am imagining things but a few years ago didn’t they say the pitch could be to blame for some injuries?
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Post by ambryboy on Nov 27, 2023 12:32:13 GMT 1
Its been an issue over the past few managers though, who all have different coaches and different training methods, so not sure its down to coaching. Carlos had a bad injury situation in his first season, Fotheringham's was even worse and now again we seem to be in the middle of an injury crisis. The only constant is Brooky...too much starch in the kit, has to be! Maybe I am imagining things but a few years ago didn’t they say the pitch could be to blame for some injuries? I think some players are allergic to grass
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 27, 2023 13:38:08 GMT 1
Maybe I am imagining things but a few years ago didn’t they say the pitch could be to blame for some injuries? I think some players are allergic to grass Most of ours play like they've been smoking it beforehand 😉
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Post by Orinoco on Nov 27, 2023 13:45:24 GMT 1
I think some players are allergic to grass Most of ours play like they've been smoking it beforehand 😉 Do they prefer grass or astroTurf?
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 27, 2023 13:49:31 GMT 1
Most of ours play like they've been smoking it beforehand 😉 Do they prefer grass or astroTurf? The AstroTurf makes a mess of the rizla as it melts.
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Post by Werlinger on Nov 27, 2023 14:05:22 GMT 1
I think the main issue here is that 95% of football fans are a bit thick.
I understand the club have left themselves open to criticism replacing Warnock with Moore. Not exactly an exciting positive dead cert of an appointment. The timing of it surely means there's been more thought than "He will immediately be better than Warnock"
Chants about how shit we are, booing a substitution, people shouting "come on Southampton get another so we can sack this useless c***" and "Fuck off Moore you useless c***" get us nowhere. I understand no one likes losing but you tend to learn how to deal with that in Primary School.
No one seems to have the capacity to break anything down and look for reasons behind things. Reasons for getting rid of Warnock were clearly stronger than the negatives. It hasn't worked out at all yet, but we've got the same bang average for this division squad with no improvements - it's took a brave man in Moore to even take it on. Unless he's as thick as all the numpties shouting at him this weekend. Only time will tell if he goes on to do better with us. It might indeed be a shite appointment, but he's had no chance and signed no players. Hopefully he'll be given the chance.
Booing the substitution was bizarre. I questioned it strongly at the time wondering what the fuck he was doing, then we had more control after the sub so actually Moore made me look like a c***. I got it wrong.
It's hard to be positive when we're shite, but the shit behaviour of dopes will make it worse.
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Post by ambryboy on Nov 27, 2023 15:26:24 GMT 1
I think the main issue here is that 95% of football fans are a bit thick. I understand the club have left themselves open to criticism replacing Warnock with Moore. Not exactly an exciting positive dead cert of an appointment. The timing of it surely means there's been more thought than "He will immediately be better than Warnock" Chants about how shit we are, booing a substitution, people shouting "come on Southampton get another so we can sack this useless card" and "Fuck off Moore you useless card" get us nowhere. I understand no one likes losing but you tend to learn how to deal with that in Primary School. No one seems to have the capacity to break anything down and look for reasons behind things. Reasons for getting rid of Warnock were clearly stronger than the negatives. It hasn't worked out at all yet, but we've got the same bang average for this division squad with no improvements - it's took a brave man in Moore to even take it on. Unless he's as thick as all the numpties shouting at him this weekend. Only time will tell if he goes on to do better with us. It might indeed be a shite appointment, but he's had no chance and signed no players. Hopefully he'll be given the chance. Booing the substitution was bizarre. I questioned it strongly at the time wondering what the fuck he was doing, then we had more control after the sub so actually Moore made me look like a card. I got it wrong. It's hard to be positive when we're shite, but the shit behaviour of dopes will make it worse. I think that's rather discourteous to your fellow football fan. I'm intrigued to know which end of the intelligence spectrum you see perceive yourself to be at? Are you in 5% or the 95%?
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Post by castlehillterrier on Nov 27, 2023 15:33:23 GMT 1
I think the main issue here is that 95% of football fans are a bit thick. I understand the club have left themselves open to criticism replacing Warnock with Moore. Not exactly an exciting positive dead cert of an appointment. The timing of it surely means there's been more thought than "He will immediately be better than Warnock" Chants about how shit we are, booing a substitution, people shouting "come on Southampton get another so we can sack this useless card" and "Fuck off Moore you useless card" get us nowhere. I understand no one likes losing but you tend to learn how to deal with that in Primary School. No one seems to have the capacity to break anything down and look for reasons behind things. Reasons for getting rid of Warnock were clearly stronger than the negatives. It hasn't worked out at all yet, but we've got the same bang average for this division squad with no improvements - it's took a brave man in Moore to even take it on. Unless he's as thick as all the numpties shouting at him this weekend. Only time will tell if he goes on to do better with us. It might indeed be a shite appointment, but he's had no chance and signed no players. Hopefully he'll be given the chance. Booing the substitution was bizarre. I questioned it strongly at the time wondering what the fuck he was doing, then we had more control after the sub so actually Moore made me look like a card. I got it wrong. It's hard to be positive when we're shite, but the shit behaviour of dopes will make it worse. A Very rational post, all clubs have a bunch of idiots who want to boo and scream abuse at the teams you even see it all the time at grass routes football having a go at the young girls and boys some people are just that way out, hopefully the majority (probably not a majority on here) are more undertanding and rational on our current situation.
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 27, 2023 15:38:49 GMT 1
I think the main issue here is that 95% of football fans are a bit thick. I understand the club have left themselves open to criticism replacing Warnock with Moore. Not exactly an exciting positive dead cert of an appointment. The timing of it surely means there's been more thought than "He will immediately be better than Warnock" Chants about how shit we are, booing a substitution, people shouting "come on Southampton get another so we can sack this useless card" and "Fuck off Moore you useless card" get us nowhere. I understand no one likes losing but you tend to learn how to deal with that in Primary School. No one seems to have the capacity to break anything down and look for reasons behind things. Reasons for getting rid of Warnock were clearly stronger than the negatives. It hasn't worked out at all yet, but we've got the same bang average for this division squad with no improvements - it's took a brave man in Moore to even take it on. Unless he's as thick as all the numpties shouting at him this weekend. Only time will tell if he goes on to do better with us. It might indeed be a shite appointment, but he's had no chance and signed no players. Hopefully he'll be given the chance. Booing the substitution was bizarre. I questioned it strongly at the time wondering what the fuck he was doing, then we had more control after the sub so actually Moore made me look like a card. I got it wrong. It's hard to be positive when we're shite, but the shit behaviour of dopes will make it worse. A Very rational post, all clubs have a bunch of idiots who want to boo and scream abuse at the teams you even see it all the time at grass routes football having a go at the young girls and boys some people are just that way out, hopefully the majority (probably not a majority on here) are more undertanding and rational on our current situation. Perhaps it's out of frustration, seeing as though we win very few games and very rarely witness anything that can be described as "entertaining". No-one was booing and screaming when Wagner was doing his thing in 2016-17, nor were they booing and screaming when we were holding our own in the Premier League in 2017-18. Booing and screaming comes when a team is losing most weeks and putting in dreadful performances on the pitch. While the second half on Saturday was an improvement, the first half was utter dross and I don't know how anyone can dress it up as anything else. Put in performances like that and the team are gonna get booed.
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Post by rockwall on Nov 27, 2023 17:46:59 GMT 1
Personally, for once, the club should listen to the fans. Tell Moore ' the fans want you to go for it, and show desire' Sunderland away, fucking give it a go.
Nobody will complain then if we lose if we have showed intent and passion.
But by playing it safe, boring the hell out of paying fans, you open up to criticism.
Surely, listening to a majority of paying fans is worth a go. That way, if fails, we are the ones who look silly.
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Post by htfcterry on Nov 27, 2023 18:24:19 GMT 1
Personally, for once, the club should listen to the fans. Tell Moore ' the fans want you to go for it, and show desire' Sunderland away, fucking give it a go. Nobody will complain then if we lose if we have showed intent and passion. But by playing it safe, boring the hell out of paying fans, you open up to criticism. Surely, listening to a majority of paying fans is worth a go. That way, if fails, we are the ones who look silly. He’s in a no win situation, if we just “fucking give it a go” we’ll be 3-0 down at half time because we haven’t got the squad for it.
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Post by rockwall on Nov 27, 2023 18:30:46 GMT 1
Personally, for once, the club should listen to the fans. Tell Moore ' the fans want you to go for it, and show desire' Sunderland away, fucking give it a go. Nobody will complain then if we lose if we have showed intent and passion. But by playing it safe, boring the hell out of paying fans, you open up to criticism. Surely, listening to a majority of paying fans is worth a go. That way, if fails, we are the ones who look silly. He’s in a no win situation, if we just “fucking give it a go” we’ll be 3-0 down at half time because we haven’t got the squad for it. But at least those crying out for it will keep quiet.....
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Post by duncfost01 on Nov 27, 2023 18:42:10 GMT 1
Patience.
Something I don’t have but it’s what we need right now. We can’t go back, we can only go forwards.
DM has an appalling squad which lacks depth, quality and a striker.
I enjoyed the second half - it gave me hope - it’s the hope that kills you…..
But too many abusive chants re Moore.
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Post by Amigo on Nov 27, 2023 18:51:18 GMT 1
Wrong. People are generally on a spectrum of closed to open mindset when approaching situations - it’s part of a personality. I’ve had specific training on it to help with line managing people in the past, and noticed it in many people. Admittedly an open mind on a particular situation can become closed, but that’s a section rather than the whole. Completely closing our mind to the team, players, Nagle and Moore at this stage is premature and unhelpful - for the team and fans’ mental health. Open minds have become closed with Moore, closed minds became open with Wagner... management and environment are key. It's the swing that's important in an organisation, currently a management team that is difficult to engage with and a vision not many people belive in are the reason for the swing in mindset. I'm more into the fixed and growth mindset in the coaching I do and its easy to flip someone into a fixed mindset by just one comment, but takes good management to keep playing in a growth mindset. I genuinely didn't realise there was courses on how to be a wum, I thought it was just something people did to entertain themselves when they were bored I didn't know people actually get coached in it. Crazy world these days...
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Post by richhtfc on Nov 27, 2023 19:11:29 GMT 1
He’s in a no win situation, if we just “fucking give it a go” we’ll be 3-0 down at half time because we haven’t got the squad for it. But at least those crying out for it will keep quiet..... We’ve already tried that against Cardiff and Leeds and got walloped 4-0 and 4-1. Dull as it is I think we need to continue with the pragmatic approach until we can sign some better players.
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Post by rockwall on Nov 27, 2023 19:31:15 GMT 1
But at least those crying out for it will keep quiet..... We’ve already tried that against Cardiff and Leeds and got walloped 4-0 and 4-1. Dull as it is I think we need to continue with the pragmatic approach until we can sign some better players. Don't remember giving it a go in either of them games.
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Post by richhtfc on Nov 27, 2023 20:26:16 GMT 1
We’ve already tried that against Cardiff and Leeds and got walloped 4-0 and 4-1. Dull as it is I think we need to continue with the pragmatic approach until we can sign some better players. Don't remember giving it a go in either of them games. We definitely set up to give it a go against Cardiff, defence was really high, we bettered them in most of the stats, possession, shots, passes, corners, pass accuracy etc… Didn’t watch the Leeds game but since then we’ve really tightened things up, which I think is the only thing we can do or we’ll get murdered in most games and we’ll be adrift in the bottom three before we have chance to bolster the squad.
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Post by Werlinger on Nov 27, 2023 20:35:50 GMT 1
I think the main issue here is that 95% of football fans are a bit thick. I understand the club have left themselves open to criticism replacing Warnock with Moore. Not exactly an exciting positive dead cert of an appointment. The timing of it surely means there's been more thought than "He will immediately be better than Warnock" Chants about how shit we are, booing a substitution, people shouting "come on Southampton get another so we can sack this useless card" and "Fuck off Moore you useless card" get us nowhere. I understand no one likes losing but you tend to learn how to deal with that in Primary School. No one seems to have the capacity to break anything down and look for reasons behind things. Reasons for getting rid of Warnock were clearly stronger than the negatives. It hasn't worked out at all yet, but we've got the same bang average for this division squad with no improvements - it's took a brave man in Moore to even take it on. Unless he's as thick as all the numpties shouting at him this weekend. Only time will tell if he goes on to do better with us. It might indeed be a shite appointment, but he's had no chance and signed no players. Hopefully he'll be given the chance. Booing the substitution was bizarre. I questioned it strongly at the time wondering what the fuck he was doing, then we had more control after the sub so actually Moore made me look like a card. I got it wrong. It's hard to be positive when we're shite, but the shit behaviour of dopes will make it worse. I think that's rather discourteous to your fellow football fan. I'm intrigued to know which end of the intelligence spectrum you see perceive yourself to be at? Are you in 5% or the 95%? I’m not claiming to be super intelligent, or trying to belittle anyone. I’m calling out what’s incredibly useless and thick.
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Post by Werlinger on Nov 27, 2023 20:41:12 GMT 1
A Very rational post, all clubs have a bunch of idiots who want to boo and scream abuse at the teams you even see it all the time at grass routes football having a go at the young girls and boys some people are just that way out, hopefully the majority (probably not a majority on here) are more undertanding and rational on our current situation. Perhaps it's out of frustration, seeing as though we win very few games and very rarely witness anything that can be described as "entertaining". No-one was booing and screaming when Wagner was doing his thing in 2016-17, nor were they booing and screaming when we were holding our own in the Premier League in 2017-18. Booing and screaming comes when a team is losing most weeks and putting in dreadful performances on the pitch. While the second half on Saturday was an improvement, the first half was utter dross and I don't know how anyone can dress it up as anything else. Put in performances like that and the team are gonna get booed. I completely understand frustration and completely agree that positivity on the pitch must come first before it passes over into the stands. However when things are going badly as they currently are, I believe people in the stands should have the wisdom to understand that Moore has walked into a poisoned chalice in some sense. Brave to take the job at what was a questionable time to make a manangerial change. Yes some of his decisions have seemed odd, but booing a sensible substitution because all people can see is “Moore sub striker for defender, Moore negative, me make fire, cook meat” is just really counter productive, no matter how frustrated we are.
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 27, 2023 20:55:31 GMT 1
My hearing must be getting worse, I didn't hear any anti Big Dave chanting
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Post by duncfost01 on Nov 27, 2023 21:07:47 GMT 1
There isn’t one of us that doesn’t want to see front foot - attacking football , goals, wins. Etc.
Moore inherited this squad. He also inherited a group of players that didn’t want Warnock to leave. The desire on the pitch in the second half showed me that the players want to play him. Yes it’s been a gradual journey (was always going to be).
Injuries have been appalling.
The bigger point in all of this is what will Nagle (and his team ) deliver in January. It’s not only about numbers but also quality. If they don’t deliver that then I start to question Nagle’s intentions.
Let’s see but for now let’s get behind Moore.
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Post by Dan on Nov 27, 2023 21:08:08 GMT 1
Perhaps it's out of frustration, seeing as though we win very few games and very rarely witness anything that can be described as "entertaining". No-one was booing and screaming when Wagner was doing his thing in 2016-17, nor were they booing and screaming when we were holding our own in the Premier League in 2017-18. Booing and screaming comes when a team is losing most weeks and putting in dreadful performances on the pitch. While the second half on Saturday was an improvement, the first half was utter dross and I don't know how anyone can dress it up as anything else. Put in performances like that and the team are gonna get booed. I completely understand frustration and completely agree that positivity on the pitch must come first before it passes over into the stands. However when things are going badly as they currently are, I believe people in the stands should have the wisdom to understand that Moore has walked into a poisoned chalice in some sense. Brave to take the job at what was a questionable time to make a manangerial change. Yes some of his decisions have seemed odd, but booing a sensible substitution because all people can see is “Moore sub striker for defender, Moore negative, me make fire, cook meat” is just really counter productive, no matter how frustrated we are. Strange because I thought at the Watford game the atmosphere was really positive, it seemed the crowd had an understanding of the situation. This despite all the negative noise on social media / DATM. That wasn't the case on Saturday, crowd couldn't wait to get on their backs, booing backwards passes and a perfectly sensible substitution ffs. I've always questioned the sanity of any grown man who makes a booing noise at a football match like they're at some sort of pantomime. Weird. Enjoyed the irony of the 'You don't know what you're doing' chants coming from the ones that couldnt tell you what formation we played to save their life.
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Post by rockwall on Nov 27, 2023 21:09:30 GMT 1
Don't remember giving it a go in either of them games. We definitely set up to give it a go against Cardiff, defence was really high, we bettered them in most of the stats, possession, shots, passes, corners, pass accuracy etc… Didn’t watch the Leeds game but since then we’ve really tightened things up, which I think is the only thing we can do or we’ll get murdered in most games and we’ll be adrift in the bottom three before we have chance to bolster the squad. Huge difference in giving it a go and playing a high line. The high line caused all sorts of problems as the midfielders were too close to the defence, and then our non existent strikers were deep too. It was like 10 outfielders squashed into a 50 yard area.
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Post by Lovechops on Nov 27, 2023 21:10:12 GMT 1
👍🏻 all I’ll say is was it not 3 players out in the 24 hours.1 illness,1 a keeper,but yeh it’s down to him flogging them.I could pick you up on other stuff but there’s a lovely brick wall I need to go bang my head on. You could... but you can't. All training comes with risk... you mention contact injuries, they don't happen in the shower, why are we risking intense contact at this point? Illness is more virulent when your worn down. You can twist facts to your own agenda... but you can't argue with them. Apparently every manager that has come into a club after NW has said that players arent fit? maybe this is why the injuries occured , Warnock has even said himself he thinks they could play with Niggles etc!!
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 27, 2023 21:12:26 GMT 1
I completely understand frustration and completely agree that positivity on the pitch must come first before it passes over into the stands. However when things are going badly as they currently are, I believe people in the stands should have the wisdom to understand that Moore has walked into a poisoned chalice in some sense. Brave to take the job at what was a questionable time to make a manangerial change. Yes some of his decisions have seemed odd, but booing a sensible substitution because all people can see is “Moore sub striker for defender, Moore negative, me make fire, cook meat” is just really counter productive, no matter how frustrated we are. Strange because I thought at the Watford game the atmosphere was really positive, it seemed the crowd had an understanding of the situation. This despite all the negative noise on social media / DATM. That wasn't the case on Saturday, crowd couldn't wait to get on their backs, booing backwards passes and a perfectly sensible substitution ffs. I've always questioned the sanity of any grown man who makes a booing noise at a football match like they're at some sort of pantomime. Weird. Enjoyed the irony of the 'You don't know what you're doing' chants coming from the ones that couldnt tell you what formation we played to save their life. Is that what the coaching staff were chanting ? 😯😯😉😁
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Post by tockyterrier on Nov 27, 2023 21:14:28 GMT 1
If we go down it will be nothing to do with the atmosphere! Least of my worries. Not surprising people are negative and pissed off. It's well earned. You weren't the bloke sat behind me complaining about everything constantly and then left 2 mins after we scored were you?
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Post by Amigo on Nov 27, 2023 21:15:24 GMT 1
A Very rational post, all clubs have a bunch of idiots who want to boo and scream abuse at the teams you even see it all the time at grass routes football having a go at the young girls and boys some people are just that way out, hopefully the majority (probably not a majority on here) are more undertanding and rational on our current situation. Perhaps it's out of frustration, seeing as though we win very few games and very rarely witness anything that can be described as "entertaining". No-one was booing and screaming when Wagner was doing his thing in 2016-17, nor were they booing and screaming when we were holding our own in the Premier League in 2017-18. Booing and screaming comes when a team is losing most weeks and putting in dreadful performances on the pitch. While the second half on Saturday was an improvement, the first half was utter dross and I don't know how anyone can dress it up as anything else. Put in performances like that and the team are gonna get booed. Saturday was pretty much what Warnock did every week though when we were doing well. Dogshit first half, better second half.
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Post by richhtfc on Nov 27, 2023 21:17:34 GMT 1
We definitely set up to give it a go against Cardiff, defence was really high, we bettered them in most of the stats, possession, shots, passes, corners, pass accuracy etc… Didn’t watch the Leeds game but since then we’ve really tightened things up, which I think is the only thing we can do or we’ll get murdered in most games and we’ll be adrift in the bottom three before we have chance to bolster the squad. Huge difference in giving it a go and playing a high line. The high line caused all sorts of problems as the midfielders were too close to the defence, and then our non existent strikers were deep too. It was like 10 outfielders squashed into a 50 yard area. I don’t disagree with that, the stats do suggest we gave it a go though, but it’s hard to feel that when you’re 0-1 down after 4 minutes and 0-3 down at half time.
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