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Post by tockyterrier on Nov 27, 2023 21:21:01 GMT 1
But they aren’t facts are they.Rudoni was a contact injury…in a game,not training.that ward got ill because he’s run down is 100% twisting in my opinion,it could be true in fairness but also you could just say it’s end of November,people pick up bugs at this time of year.Also you say you identified that he’s over working them because he said they worked in the international break.You weren’t there…therefore again that is not fact.Work doesn’t necessarily mean they’re running up and down like mad men,one of the coaches on that interview last week even said they had done a lot of “classroom” stuff to get info across it could have been 50/50 between that and on the pitch. So if anyone is twisting facts it’s yourself. I don’t have an agenda iv said a million times I don’t know if he’s the right man at all but what I do think(think…not know) is that there are elements there where I have to wait and see. He will fail... its obvious to see, unless Nagle is going to throw a chequebook at buying players. Given the squad, numbers, experience and quality, I'd say even Pep would belikely to fail without players in January.
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Post by rockwall on Nov 27, 2023 21:30:23 GMT 1
Huge difference in giving it a go and playing a high line. The high line caused all sorts of problems as the midfielders were too close to the defence, and then our non existent strikers were deep too. It was like 10 outfielders squashed into a 50 yard area. I don’t disagree with that, the stats do suggest we gave it a go though, but it’s hard to feel that when you’re 0-1 down after 4 minutes and 0-3 down at half time. Bit like the stats from the Norwich game. Yet anyone there could see would never have scored if we were still playing now.
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Post by tockyterrier on Nov 27, 2023 21:32:08 GMT 1
A Very rational post, all clubs have a bunch of idiots who want to boo and scream abuse at the teams you even see it all the time at grass routes football having a go at the young girls and boys some people are just that way out, hopefully the majority (probably not a majority on here) are more undertanding and rational on our current situation. Perhaps it's out of frustration, seeing as though we win very few games and very rarely witness anything that can be described as "entertaining". No-one was booing and screaming when Wagner was doing his thing in 2016-17, nor were they booing and screaming when we were holding our own in the Premier League in 2017-18. Booing and screaming comes when a team is losing most weeks and putting in dreadful performances on the pitch. While the second half on Saturday was an improvement, the first half was utter dross and I don't know how anyone can dress it up as anything else. Put in performances like that and the team are gonna get booed. In the context of having a weak, injury ravaged and inexperienced team against the opposition worth 10x our own. And knowing that the only teams to have got anything out of them had defended deep and caught them on the break, I'd say the first half may not have been the most entertaining, but it wasn't dross.
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Post by tockyterrier on Nov 27, 2023 21:35:29 GMT 1
He’s in a no win situation, if we just “fucking give it a go” we’ll be 3-0 down at half time because we haven’t got the squad for it. But at least those crying out for it will keep quiet..... No they want, they just say its proof that DM doesn't know what he's doing.
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Post by tockyterrier on Nov 27, 2023 21:39:50 GMT 1
I completely understand frustration and completely agree that positivity on the pitch must come first before it passes over into the stands. However when things are going badly as they currently are, I believe people in the stands should have the wisdom to understand that Moore has walked into a poisoned chalice in some sense. Brave to take the job at what was a questionable time to make a manangerial change. Yes some of his decisions have seemed odd, but booing a sensible substitution because all people can see is “Moore sub striker for defender, Moore negative, me make fire, cook meat” is just really counter productive, no matter how frustrated we are. Strange because I thought at the Watford game the atmosphere was really positive, it seemed the crowd had an understanding of the situation. This despite all the negative noise on social media / DATM. That wasn't the case on Saturday, crowd couldn't wait to get on their backs, booing backwards passes and a perfectly sensible substitution ffs. I've always questioned the sanity of any grown man who makes a booing noise at a football match like they're at some sort of pantomime. Weird. Enjoyed the irony of the 'You don't know what you're doing' chants coming from the ones that couldnt tell you what formation we played to save their life. I suspect the boo boys probably ďidnt turn up for the Watford game, so the atmosphere was quite rather than negative.
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Post by tockyterrier on Nov 27, 2023 21:47:53 GMT 1
No split in the fans... pretty much unanimous to get rid of the clown... 6 points in 10 games.. weeks ago I said he's not managing workload, like leaving hogg on at 4-0 down twice in a week.... hogg might not be injured but that lack of nounce and now we have an injury crisis. Its not co-incidence. IN MY EYES, DARREN MOORE WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED AS THE MANAGER OF THE CLUB I SUPPORT. PERIOD. GET RID. We had 8pts from 8 games with Warnock. We've had 8 from 9 under Moore. Hardly a disastrous downturn in form is it, despite having less players to choose from
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Post by captainblack on Nov 27, 2023 22:13:46 GMT 1
There isn’t one of us that doesn’t want to see front foot - attacking football , goals, wins. Etc. Moore inherited this squad. He also inherited a group of players that didn’t want Warnock to leave. The desire on the pitch in the second half showed me that the players want to play him. Yes it’s been a gradual journey (was always going to be). Injuries have been appalling. The bigger point in all of this is what will Nagle (and his team ) deliver in January. It’s not only about numbers but also quality. If they don’t deliver that then I start to question Nagle’s intentions. Let’s see but for now let’s get behind Moore. I agree with most of your sentiments , JANUARY , I think this will be The defining moment! We will see if there is going to be the investment into the club or a gradual decline ! It could be like turning on the the Blackpool Illuminations ,or just putting the lights on the Christmas tree! Lets wait and see !
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Post by waggers on Nov 27, 2023 22:20:18 GMT 1
He will fail... its obvious to see, unless Nagle is going to throw a chequebook at buying players. Given the squad, numbers, experience and quality, I'd say even Pep would belikely to fail without players in January. Hope I'm wrong but I'm not expecting much money to be spent in January. Maybe a few uninspiring loans.
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Post by duncfost01 on Nov 27, 2023 22:25:05 GMT 1
There isn’t one of us that doesn’t want to see front foot - attacking football , goals, wins. Etc. Moore inherited this squad. He also inherited a group of players that didn’t want Warnock to leave. The desire on the pitch in the second half showed me that the players want to play him. Yes it’s been a gradual journey (was always going to be). Injuries have been appalling. The bigger point in all of this is what will Nagle (and his team ) deliver in January. It’s not only about numbers but also quality. If they don’t deliver that then I start to question Nagle’s intentions. Let’s see but for now let’s get behind Moore. I agree with most of your sentiments , JANUARY , I think this will be The defining moment! We will see if there is going to be the investment into the club or a gradual decline ! It could be like turning on the the Blackpool Illuminations ,or just putting the lights on the Christmas tree! Lets wait and see ! None of us really know what went on budgets etc (been there before ). I can be the most critical (often irrationally) but we have no choice at the moment. Moore hasn’t deserved the abuse he has had. But is that aimed at him or those that made the “decision “ ? Hence they have to show their true colours in January. If they don’t back him then irrational Dunc will be back…. UTT
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Post by space hardware on Nov 27, 2023 22:27:16 GMT 1
No split in the fans... pretty much unanimous to get rid of the clown... 6 points in 10 games.. weeks ago I said he's not managing workload, like leaving hogg on at 4-0 down twice in a week.... hogg might not be injured but that lack of nounce and now we have an injury crisis. Its not co-incidence. IN MY EYES, DARREN MOORE WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED AS THE MANAGER OF THE CLUB I SUPPORT. PERIOD. GET RID. We had 8pts from 8 games with Warnock. We've had 8 from 9 under Moore. Hardly a disastrous downturn in form is it, despite having less players to choose from Warnock had 7 games, 8 points on the board, goal difference -4. Moore has had 10 games. 1 win, 5 draws, 4 defeats (including a 0-4 and two 1-4 losses), goal difference -10. I wouldn't say disastrous but it's definitely a big downturn.
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Post by townrwe on Nov 27, 2023 23:10:29 GMT 1
We had 8pts from 8 games with Warnock. We've had 8 from 9 under Moore. Hardly a disastrous downturn in form is it, despite having less players to choose from Warnock had 7 games, 8 points on the board, goal difference -4. Moore has had 10 games. 1 win, 5 draws, 4 defeats (including a 0-4 and two 1-4 losses), goal difference -10. I wouldn't say disastrous but it's definitely a big downturn. 3rd bottom of the form table over his 10 games in charge... that's dreadful and dropping week on week.
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Post by space hardware on Nov 27, 2023 23:31:47 GMT 1
Warnock had 7 games, 8 points on the board, goal difference -4. Moore has had 10 games. 1 win, 5 draws, 4 defeats (including a 0-4 and two 1-4 losses), goal difference -10. I wouldn't say disastrous but it's definitely a big downturn. 3rd bottom of the form table over his 10 games in charge... that's dreadful and dropping week on week. Lots of managers have been fired for better results in their first 10 games.
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Post by htafcdreams on Nov 27, 2023 23:53:07 GMT 1
There isn’t one of us that doesn’t want to see front foot - attacking football , goals, wins. Etc. Moore inherited this squad. He also inherited a group of players that didn’t want Warnock to leave. The desire on the pitch in the second half showed me that the players want to play him. Yes it’s been a gradual journey (was always going to be). Injuries have been appalling. The bigger point in all of this is what will Nagle (and his team ) deliver in January. It’s not only about numbers but also quality. If they don’t deliver that then I start to question Nagle’s intentions. Let’s see but for now let’s get behind Moore. Feels a big ask for Nagle and his team to deliver on signings in quantity and quality in Jan. The £1m fee on Wiles was broadcast as “significant ” in interviews and reports from club. Tracing back Sacramentos transfer fees paid over last few years, mainly free transfers. Who knows
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Post by ambryboy on Nov 28, 2023 0:37:23 GMT 1
I think that's rather discourteous to your fellow football fan. I'm intrigued to know which end of the intelligence spectrum you see perceive yourself to be at? Are you in 5% or the 95%? I’m not claiming to be super intelligent, or trying to belittle anyone. I’m calling out what’s incredibly useless and thick. So I guess that means you're placing yourself in the 5% then. What form of assessment have you undertaken to arrive at this conclusion?
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Post by townrwe on Nov 28, 2023 9:04:00 GMT 1
I’m not claiming to be super intelligent, or trying to belittle anyone. I’m calling out what’s incredibly useless and thick. So I guess that means you're placing yourself in the 5% then. What form of assessment have you undertaken to arrive at this conclusion? Intelligence.... how do you define it? While at uni, I lived with 5 lads, all doing masters, all had first class degrees. All in my mind very intelligent. Well spoken, great history of education. One of them as part of their course had to study IQ, so what better guinea pigs than a house full of students. They were having banter, whos going to be top 3, blah blah blah, obviously I never got a mention not even in the top 5. Fair enough I thought, I'd have probably put myself 6th, in all honesty I didn't really want it confirming that they were all superior. So we all did the standardised IQ test. The scores were in general 102-115. Pretty standard, pretty good, above the normal but nothing mind blowing, but their was one outlier 137 and yes you guest it. Genuinely the other lads basically sulked at it, didn't belive it (that was their fixed mindset, only later realising it through study that they had fallen into by others telling them they were so intellegent, so how could a very yorkshire speaking lad, doing an inferior qualification be more intellegent). Now I don't consider myself in the top % intelligence. But I could have joined mensa on the back of a score like that (it's 132 and above on that particular test), You wouldn't want me on the pub quiz team. I had done one previously prior to a job interview and remember the interviewer saying I'd finished top of the IQ test in a room of maybe 100 people, but I'd never given it a second thought. I think your always better to look past what someone thinks of their intellegence, how others perceive your intelligence and take the IQ test, but it won't be what yours or other people's perceptions will be. So in summary DATM needs to remember my posts are at mensa level and those that are more articulate, just think they are superior, they have a fixed mindset.
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Post by runner76 on Nov 28, 2023 10:01:44 GMT 1
If there’s evidence needed that ending the split is difficult…..it’s this thread!! Some folk simply won’t change their mind or change position. First impressions with many town fans definitely lasts! Clearly there’s deep anger and frustration at the handling of Warnock. Clearly there’s frustration at the lack of depth and quality in the squad, compounded by Warnock - the only one who could get a tune out of them - leaving the club. Clearly it’s difficult to warm to Moore given his poor media ability and lack of clear communication. However….the above isn’t really Moores fault. He’s just the focal point for all the negativity, unfortunately. I think the ‘clean slate’ will only really happen with a full Summer of transfers and rebuilding…..just hope the January sticking plaster is enough…..
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Post by Teddington Ted on Nov 28, 2023 10:39:45 GMT 1
Going to watch Town at the minute and abusing the players is like going to a Toby Carvery and moaning about there being tubes in your beef. If you want better quality, go somewhere else.
Have a go at the board all you want but, FFS, appreciate the players are doing their best, putting a shift in and fighting like stink for every point.
It’s not their fault they aren’t the most talented squad. It’s not their fault there aren’t enough of them to fill the bench. Giving them grief is pathetic.
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Post by Werlinger on Nov 28, 2023 10:46:39 GMT 1
I’m not claiming to be super intelligent, or trying to belittle anyone. I’m calling out what’s incredibly useless and thick. So I guess that means you're placing yourself in the 5% then. What form of assessment have you undertaken to arrive at this conclusion? It doesn't need an assessment to notice what's completely stupid. An assessment would be a waste of time performed by someone completely thick.
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Post by townrwe on Nov 28, 2023 11:35:03 GMT 1
Easiest way to end the split is for everyone to admit Darren Boore isn't the manager we need, the board to sack him and get someone in representative of the Huddersfield community that can bring back that terrier spirit we all crave.
Simples.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 28, 2023 12:08:30 GMT 1
What does 'representative of the huddersfield community' mean?
Our manager needs to be a dour Yorkshireman who moans a lot and wants terrier fighting spirit whilst frantically waving a white flag and announcing how doomed we are?
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Post by irverino on Nov 28, 2023 12:29:41 GMT 1
What does 'representative of the huddersfield community' mean? Our manager needs to be a dour Yorkshireman who moans a lot and wants terrier fighting spirit whilst frantically waving a white flag and announcing how doomed we are? I wouldn't call Neil Warnock 'dour'.......he did say we looked doomed & his toughest assignment.
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Post by Melc on Nov 28, 2023 12:29:44 GMT 1
Easiest way to end the split is for everyone to admit Darren Boore isn't the manager we need, the board to sack him and get someone in representative of the Huddersfield community that can bring back that terrier spirit we all crave. Simples. Don’t you ever have a day off from all your negative crap! Going on about it every day won’t change the situation.
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Post by Hellawell on Nov 28, 2023 12:31:25 GMT 1
Such an odd comment, two of the most successful managers in recent years were German and Spanish and in no way representative of our community.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Nov 28, 2023 12:38:16 GMT 1
Easiest way to end the split is for everyone to admit Darren Boore isn't the manager we need, the board to sack him and get someone in representative of the Huddersfield community that can bring back that terrier spirit we all crave. Simples. Don’t you ever have a day off from all your negative crap! Going on about it every day won’t change the situation. Townrwe is revelling in all the misery and disharmony between the club and fans. He’s a massive attention seeker and a total sad sack. If Town were going well you’d not hear from him. Ignore him.
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Post by castlehillterrier on Nov 28, 2023 12:49:08 GMT 1
Easiest way to end the split is for everyone to admit Darren Boore isn't the manager we need, the board to sack him and get someone in representative of the Huddersfield community that can bring back that terrier spirit we all crave. Simples. Well he isnt going anywhere in the near future and I am 99% certain Darren will still be in charge come 31st January 2024, maybe a good idea for "townrwe" to get back to his / her school work and stop begging for something to happen that is not going to.
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Post by townrwe on Nov 28, 2023 12:58:22 GMT 1
Such an odd comment, two of the most successful managers in recent years were German and Spanish and in no way representative of our community. They both had a terrier spirit.... No spirit at all in Boore.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 28, 2023 13:08:39 GMT 1
Such an odd comment, two of the most successful managers in recent years were German and Spanish and in no way representative of our community. They both had a terrier spirit.... No spirit at all in Boore. So all you mean by 'terrier spirit' is winning? If you struggle to win, you must have no spirit? That really is a very childlike way to look at things. 'Spirit' to me is having the mental strength, courage and backbone to fight on in adversity. You and a lot of our fans are so lacking in this spirit that youre demanding from others , its untrue.
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Post by townrwe on Nov 28, 2023 13:13:53 GMT 1
Easiest way to end the split is for everyone to admit Darren Boore isn't the manager we need, the board to sack him and get someone in representative of the Huddersfield community that can bring back that terrier spirit we all crave. Simples. Well he isnt going anywhere in the near future and I am 99% certain Darren will still be in charge come 31st January 2024, maybe a good idea for "townrwe" to get back to his / her school work and stop begging for something to happen that is not going to. Results will ultimately determine what happens and change peoples minds, 1 win in 10 at the moment. 12 games until the end of Jan... 9 points at current performance levels, his position is already untennable. Give him a few more games, Cartwright is putting his own repuation on the line as well, neither will get a job at this level again if he stays until jan 31st and doesnt collect 12-15 points. 9 or less and even boris johnson would throw them under the bus. Thats the challenge for both of them to save themselves, I hope they do well, introduce the attacking football and make a sucess of it, but im not blind to them both having shocking starts. Not happy clapping some of the worst football you will ever witness at any level, Poor communication across the club, Terrible summer recruitment, Decimated the squad with sales and terminations. If you can name one thing thats been positive while Moore and Cartwright have been involved, Im all ears.
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Post by irverino on Nov 28, 2023 13:15:44 GMT 1
Easiest way to end the split is for everyone to admit Darren Boore isn't the manager we need, the board to sack him and get someone in representative of the Huddersfield community that can bring back that terrier spirit we all crave. Simples. Well he isnt going anywhere in the near future and I am 99% certain Darren will still be in charge come 31st January 2024, maybe a good idea for "townrwe" to get back to his / her school work and stop begging for something to happen that is not going to. So if we get walloped 5/6 nowt (or worse) at Leicester on NYD & in the bottom 3 will DM still be the right man for you?.......Wheres the cut off point or isn't their one? You want him to take us down & start again in League one like he did with DR & SW?
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Post by townrwe on Nov 28, 2023 13:19:09 GMT 1
They both had a terrier spirit.... No spirit at all in Boore. So all you mean by 'terrier spirit' is winning? If you struggle to win, you must have no spirit? That really is a very childlike way to look at things. 'Spirit' to me is having the mental strength, courage and backbone to fight on in adversity.You and a lot of our fans are so lacking in this spirit that youre demanding from others , its untrue. No, The club currently has a losers attitude, poor me, look at the injuries, we need players in january,...... Blah, blah fucking blah, Some enthusiasm , Something for the fans to get behind, a style of play that we identify with, I hated the small dog thing, but it was bang on for now with our position, be the small dog with a big bite.. Spirit is having the backbone to give it a go, trying to win rather than trying not to lose.
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