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Post by Porrohman on Dec 30, 2023 12:23:27 GMT 1
It seems like we think we're the only side to have injuries. Middlesbrough were without 6 or 7 players who would start for them normally. But they've got a squad. We've got a starting XI, a couple of back ups and loads of young kids that Moore has no intention of giving a go. |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 30, 2023 12:24:37 GMT 1
And they were very, very lucky to win last night. A shockingly poor penalty decision, a fluky goal and the thickness of a coat of paint on the crossbar were the deciding factors in their win. Add in a better squad and a manager who has been in place longer. Town deserved to win, everyone there could see that. I got soaked sat watching but enjoyed the game and can see improvements in what the team are trying to do. Moore has had enough bile thrown at him on this forum, some verging on disgusting by certain individuals - who should know better - so I’m personally hoping he gets some support in the window and the team continues to put in shifts like the last two games. It was a blatant penalty. Didn't think so at the time but from watching the replays, it was a penalty. Ours or theirs ? |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 30, 2023 12:28:15 GMT 1
It was a blatant penalty. Didn't think so at the time but from watching the replays, it was a penalty. Ours or theirs ? Theirs. Put it this way, if that was the other way around and it wasn't given, our fans would be doing the "poor me" act and whining about how "refs are always against us". |
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Post by SN0W on Dec 30, 2023 12:34:36 GMT 1
Playing 10 yards further up the pitch and pressing higher. Yeah, but why now. Something must've happened/been said. Was it a subconscious reaction by the players to protect the rookie goalie? |
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Post by rockwall on Dec 30, 2023 12:39:44 GMT 1
As much as I hate VAR.
If it was used in the Championship, off the top of my head these decisions since DM took over would have gone our way.
Swansea equaliser - VAR would have picked up the foul on Hogg.
Southampton - VAR would have given us the handball (catch)
Boro - VAR given us a pen for handball. Dynamic of game changes regardless of opinion of their penalty. VAR would have been 50/50 on that one.
Millwall - VAR potential to look at the goal, did Nicholls have both hands on the ball? Did the attacker foul him by clattering his head?
I am sure there will be others.
But alternatively, can't remember the opposition, but a stonewall foul by us was missed by the ref which should have been a penalty.
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Post by rockwall on Dec 30, 2023 12:40:58 GMT 1
I think Warnock described it just right. It’s probably a penalty but their lad knew exactly what he was doing. Maybe a little naive from Wiles to stick the leg out but can see why he did it. Very naive. But you deserve everything you get when you make that challenge there. Don't know how anyone can claim it wasn't a penalty. For me, because Wiles pulled out, it was their lad going into Wiles to con the referee. Their lad made contact with Wiles basically. If Wiles doesn't pull out, then I would have a different opinion. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 30, 2023 13:19:19 GMT 1
3 wins out of 18 is an appalling record.
Not many Managers survive that, especially when you add in the brand of football is woeful.
However! , you cannot argue with how we have played the last two matches, a significant improvement.
I am still not convinced about Nagle and certainly not about Moore.
I do though hope I am completely wrong on both fronts and we have seen a step-change in terms of Moore’s approach to matches.
Defeats (undeserved like last night) I can and will tolerate if we have a go.
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Post by irverino on Dec 30, 2023 13:35:46 GMT 1
3 wins out of 18 is an appalling record. Not many Managers survive that, especially when you add in the brand of football is woeful.
However! , you cannot argue with how we have played the last two matches, a significant improvement. I am still not convinced about Nagle and certainly not about Moore. I do though hope I am completely wrong on both fronts and we have seen a step-change in terms of Moore’s approach to matches. Defeats (undeserved like last night) I can and will tolerate if we have a go. Ultimatum apparently......According to one ex Town manager pre match on Boxing day. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 30, 2023 14:11:53 GMT 1
At 1-1 we needed to be pro active.
Had to be koroma off or wiles off for Diarra to bring new, quicker legs onto the pitch.
Never happened, tired legs gave away a penalty and koroma wasnt running on anything but empty.
Because we are not losing and we are doing well in the game at that time isnt a reason not to add another positive to it???
The Hudlin sub was too late and the wrong one.
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Post by JuryDefender on Dec 30, 2023 16:47:25 GMT 1
The championship is unforgiving. With a thin squad, when things go against you, it's easy to go into free-fall. We saw it under Corberan. We saw it under Grayson and others. DM currently has NO recognised strikers at his disposal, and NO experience on the bench. Yet he's staying positive, not making excuses, and has shown these last couple of games what he's capable of. Instilling terrier spirit, against the odds. Over to the Board now to ensure he has a half decent squad to work with. Only then can he be fairly judged.
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Post by goodbet on Dec 30, 2023 17:02:43 GMT 1
DM has been fairly judged on the performances he has provided.
What is the reason for the change in setup, could it have anything to do with people not turning up and the unhappiness of the fans watching the dirge on the field.
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Post by JuryDefender on Dec 30, 2023 17:16:01 GMT 1
DM has been fairly judged on the performances he has provided. What is the reason for the change in setup, could it have anything to do with people not turning up and the unhappiness of the fans watching the dirge on the field. Who cares what the reason is. The fans were unhappy with performances under Fotheringham. If he'd changed tactics as a result, would that have been good? Yes. But, did he change? No. He only doubled down on the dirge. Anyone capable of delivering performances like we've just seen in the championship, with a squad as weak as we've got, has got potential and deserves some proper backing from the Board. |
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Post by Sparrow on Dec 30, 2023 17:43:02 GMT 1
my opinion on him has been up and down more often than a prostitutes knickers.
Ultimately let’s just hope that the last 2 games are the start of improved performances and results.
It really is over to The Board and everyone involved in player recruitment over the next month…..Hopefully we get more right than wrong over the coming weeks
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 30, 2023 17:45:52 GMT 1
my opinion on him has been up and down more often than a prostitutes knickers. Ultimately let’s just hope that the last 2 games are the start of improved performances and results. It really is over to The Board and everyone involved in player recruitment over the next month…..Hopefully we get more right than wrong over the coming weeks They don't wear any....so I've heard. |
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Post by goodbet on Dec 30, 2023 18:00:49 GMT 1
DM has been fairly judged on the performances he has provided. What is the reason for the change in setup, could it have anything to do with people not turning up and the unhappiness of the fans watching the dirge on the field. Who cares what the reason is. The fans were unhappy with performances under Fotheringham. If he'd changed tactics as a result, would that have been good? Yes. But, did he change? No. He only doubled down on the dirge. Anyone capable of delivering performances like we've just seen in the championship, with a squad as weak as we've got, has got potential and deserves some proper backing from the Board. I think that we should care, we want someone in DM's position capable of seeing that the team and performances were not up to the mark and did not need someone from above telling him to get his act together. Maybe someone could advise him on the substitute rules while they have his ear. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 30, 2023 18:20:34 GMT 1
Theirs. Put it this way, if that was the other way around and it wasn't given, our fans would be doing the "poor me" act and whining about how "refs are always against us". All I see in the replays is a pretty blatant dive. Theres no contact to speak of, he just plants both feet and falls forward. Does it well enough to conn the ref. I hate VAR but if it was being used ( correctly) then their man gets booked and the resulting corner they scored from never happens. I didnt think our shout for handball was a pen either. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Dec 30, 2023 18:22:04 GMT 1
3 wins out of 18 is an appalling record. Not many Managers survive that, especially when you add in the brand of football is woeful. However! , you cannot argue with how we have played the last two matches, a significant improvement. I am still not convinced about Nagle and certainly not about Moore. I do though hope I am completely wrong on both fronts and we have seen a step-change in terms of Moore’s approach to matches. Defeats (undeserved like last night) I can and will tolerate if we have a go. Are you going to start a campaign to have him sell or liquidate the club then ? |
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Post by waggers on Dec 30, 2023 18:42:43 GMT 1
3 wins out of 18 is an appalling record. Not many Managers survive that, especially when you add in the brand of football is woeful.
However! , you cannot argue with how we have played the last two matches, a significant improvement. I am still not convinced about Nagle and certainly not about Moore. I do though hope I am completely wrong on both fronts and we have seen a step-change in terms of Moore’s approach to matches. Defeats (undeserved like last night) I can and will tolerate if we have a go. Ultimatum apparently......According to one ex Town manager pre match on Boxing day. I think Moore has been told his style of play and more importantly the results, are concretely unacceptable. There has been a clear change in our style of play. I doubt Moore just randomly decided it had to change, going by Nagles public statement Moore got a telling off and a few matches to sort it out. Or at least show intention. |
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Post by rab030 on Dec 30, 2023 19:06:43 GMT 1
Or maybe it’s just part of the transition and learning curve that all new managers have to go through??
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Post by goodbet on Dec 30, 2023 19:14:15 GMT 1
Or maybe it’s just part of the transition and learning curve that all new managers have to go through?? Is DM a new manager? |
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Post by waggers on Dec 30, 2023 19:26:38 GMT 1
Or maybe it’s just part of the transition and learning curve that all new managers have to go through?? He isn't new to management. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Dec 30, 2023 19:29:59 GMT 1
Always have
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Post by townarentbest on Dec 30, 2023 19:36:36 GMT 1
So does anyone know what has changed? It's a stark opposite of the previous games he's set the players up as. I'm liable to get sent before a firing squad but I think the biggest thing that has changed is we've had Matty Pearson unavailable. He's got a massive heart and all that, but is borderline incompetent compared to what you'd expect of a Championship footballer, it's become impossible to have any stability at the back with him there, and there's no respite as all he can do is lump the ball aimlessly long and it just gets turned around into constant pressure. |
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Post by crux on Dec 30, 2023 19:48:59 GMT 1
So does anyone know what has changed? It's a stark opposite of the previous games he's set the players up as. I'm liable to get sent before a firing squad but I think the biggest thing that has changed is we've had Matty Pearson unavailable. He's got a massive heart and all that, but is borderline incompetent compared to what you'd expect of a Championship footballer, it's become impossible to have any stability at the back with him there, and there's no respite as all he can do is lump the ball aimlessly long and it just gets turned around into constant pressure. It has definitely helped. Lees is much more comfortable on the right hand side and Nakayama, despite his one on one defensive limitations in this league, is our best ball playing defender. |
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Post by Wingman on Dec 30, 2023 19:55:49 GMT 1
my opinion on him has been up and down more often than a prostitutes knickers. Ultimately let’s just hope that the last 2 games are the start of improved performances and results. It really is over to The Board and everyone involved in player recruitment over the next month…..Hopefully we get more right than wrong over the coming weeks They don't wear any....so I've heard. The board?  |
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Post by Big Ern on Dec 30, 2023 19:57:17 GMT 1
So does anyone know what has changed? It's a stark opposite of the previous games he's set the players up as. I'm liable to get sent before a firing squad but I think the biggest thing that has changed is we've had Matty Pearson unavailable. He's got a massive heart and all that, but is borderline incompetent compared to what you'd expect of a Championship footballer, it's become impossible to have any stability at the back with him there, and there's no respite as all he can do is lump the ball aimlessly long and it just gets turned around into constant pressure. I agree with this, his distribution is terrible. |
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Post by rab030 on Dec 30, 2023 20:43:35 GMT 1
Or maybe it’s just part of the transition and learning curve that all new managers have to go through?? He isn't new to management. New to the club obviously…. |
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Post by 28901 on Dec 30, 2023 21:14:03 GMT 1
As much as I hate VAR. If it was used in the Championship, off the top of my head these decisions since DM took over would have gone our way. Swansea equaliser - VAR would have picked up the foul on Hogg. Southampton - VAR would have given us the handball (catch) Boro - VAR given us a pen for handball. Dynamic of game changes regardless of opinion of their penalty. VAR would have been 50/50 on that one. Millwall - VAR potential to look at the goal, did Nicholls have both hands on the ball? Did the attacker foul him by clattering his head? I am sure there will be others. But alternatively, can't remember the opposition, but a stonewall foul by us was missed by the ref which should have been a penalty. Genuinely don't give a shit. I'd rather drop into non league rather than have that crap in the EFL. |
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Post by goodbet on Dec 30, 2023 21:20:30 GMT 1
As much as I hate VAR. If it was used in the Championship, off the top of my head these decisions since DM took over would have gone our way. Swansea equaliser - VAR would have picked up the foul on Hogg. Southampton - VAR would have given us the handball (catch) Boro - VAR given us a pen for handball. Dynamic of game changes regardless of opinion of their penalty. VAR would have been 50/50 on that one. Millwall - VAR potential to look at the goal, did Nicholls have both hands on the ball? Did the attacker foul him by clattering his head? I am sure there will be others. But alternatively, can't remember the opposition, but a stonewall foul by us was missed by the ref which should have been a penalty. You seem to have forgotten that VAR as implemented is only there for the big clubs. VAR or the people operating it would only see what they want to see. And we are not a big club. |
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Post by rockwall on Dec 30, 2023 21:40:31 GMT 1
As much as I hate VAR. If it was used in the Championship, off the top of my head these decisions since DM took over would have gone our way. Swansea equaliser - VAR would have picked up the foul on Hogg. Southampton - VAR would have given us the handball (catch) Boro - VAR given us a pen for handball. Dynamic of game changes regardless of opinion of their penalty. VAR would have been 50/50 on that one. Millwall - VAR potential to look at the goal, did Nicholls have both hands on the ball? Did the attacker foul him by clattering his head? I am sure there will be others. But alternatively, can't remember the opposition, but a stonewall foul by us was missed by the ref which should have been a penalty. You seem to have forgotten that VAR as implemented is only there for the big clubs. VAR or the people operating it would only see what they want to see. And we are not a big club. I get that, but I genuinely feel referees are reluctant to give us a decision. Yes, we got the penalty at Millwall, but if any sort of stat was out there in terms of key decisions going against a team over the last 5 years. I believe we would be close, or if not, the top of that list. |
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