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Post by alfredsterrier on Dec 3, 2023 15:29:37 GMT 1
How many of the players in our starting XI yesterday can count passing as a strength of their game? In fact, how many players in our squad as a whole can count passing as one of their strengths? Few, if any. Very poor recruitment. Although I'd like to see some free-flowing football, it's not achievable at the moment. This is something I have thought for ages. How have we managed to assemble a group of players who simply cannot pass a ball properly? Ignoring the pass it for passings sake teams such as Swansea etc I can’t help looking at other football matches where players simply pass and move and pass to their own players and move into space etc etc. I can’t remember in recent years seeing town do this most basic task. I’m not a coach so have no idea of how to make it work but you look at some teams and they just look well drilled and know what they’re doing. I don’t blame DM for this as it’s clear the players can’t do it. A real shame. |
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Post by Lovechops on Dec 3, 2023 15:54:49 GMT 1
How many of the players in our starting XI yesterday can count passing as a strength of their game? In fact, how many players in our squad as a whole can count passing as one of their strengths? Few, if any. Very poor recruitment. Although I'd like to see some free-flowing football, it's not achievable at the moment. This is something I have thought for ages. How have we managed to assemble a group of players who simply cannot pass a ball properly? Ignoring the pass it for passings sake teams such as Swansea etc I can’t help looking at other football matches where players simply pass and move and pass to their own players and move into space etc etc. I can’t remember in recent years seeing town do this most basic task. I’m not a coach so have no idea of how to make it work but you look at some teams and they just look well drilled and know what they’re doing. I don’t blame DM for this as it’s clear the players can’t do it. A real shame. but they have shown that they can do good quick passing , we have scored a couple of goals with 1 or 2 touch quick football ! |
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Post by swam4mwg on Dec 3, 2023 16:00:19 GMT 1
Winning is everything in football. Win a few games and the fans are happy. Lose a few and they will make their opinions known. Been that way since time began.
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Post by richhtfc on Dec 3, 2023 16:22:15 GMT 1
How many of the players in our starting XI yesterday can count passing as a strength of their game? In fact, how many players in our squad as a whole can count passing as one of their strengths? Few, if any. Very poor recruitment. Although I'd like to see some free-flowing football, it's not achievable at the moment. This is something I have thought for ages. How have we managed to assemble a group of players who simply cannot pass a ball properly? Ignoring the pass it for passings sake teams such as Swansea etc I can’t help looking at other football matches where players simply pass and move and pass to their own players and move into space etc etc. I can’t remember in recent years seeing town do this most basic task. I’m not a coach so have no idea of how to make it work but you look at some teams and they just look well drilled and know what they’re doing. I don’t blame DM for this as it’s clear the players can’t do it. A real shame. We played some lovely tight one touch passing against Sunderland to get out of trouble. I think we’ve looked more effective passing and decision making in the last couple of games. Obviously there is still an enormous amount of room for improvement but maybe we are starting to see some of the coaching coming through. That said I agree we are desperate for some better quality in the squad, players who can shield the ball properly, receive it in tight spaces, use both feet, and play good creative football. Another Aaron Mooy would be nice. |
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 3, 2023 16:28:45 GMT 1
I’m not sure what folk expect. A weak squad with huge injury problems and were getting great points on the table. 5 points in a week. Forget about performances for a while and keep picking up vital points. I can’t speak for everyone but I expect that the team to be able to pass the ball to one and other. Pretty basic stuff for a championship team. I absolutely don’t expect us to setup against every team like an underdog in a cup tie. Quite frankly it’s pathetic and embarrassing. I’ll reserve judgement but massive improvement needed. Credit to DM for motivating them and somehow getting 5 points on the board from three tough fixtures. I sincerely hope he is backed in January but I’m certainly not taking anything for granted given the debacle in the summer and this mystery surrounding the budget. I don’t disagree that our passing is woeful. But it’s been like this for several years long before DM turned up. Huge window ahead. For me we need at least 3 starters |
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Post by digs on Dec 3, 2023 16:41:26 GMT 1
How can a proffesional footballer not be able to pass a ball,so what are their strengths,just kicking a ball in aimless directions and running about without a ball?
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 3, 2023 17:30:33 GMT 1
I can’t speak for everyone but I expect that the team to be able to pass the ball to one and other. Pretty basic stuff for a championship team. I absolutely don’t expect us to setup against every team like an underdog in a cup tie. Quite frankly it’s pathetic and embarrassing. I’ll reserve judgement but massive improvement needed. Credit to DM for motivating them and somehow getting 5 points on the board from three tough fixtures. I sincerely hope he is backed in January but I’m certainly not taking anything for granted given the debacle in the summer and this mystery surrounding the budget. I don’t disagree that our passing is woeful. But it’s been like this for several years long before DM turned up. Huge window ahead. For me we need at least 3 startersHow many main courses and puddings? |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 3, 2023 17:33:52 GMT 1
I don’t disagree that our passing is woeful. But it’s been like this for several years long before DM turned up. Huge window ahead. For me we need at least 3 startersHow many main courses and puddings? We already have enough puddings😀 |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 3, 2023 18:14:59 GMT 1
How can a proffesional footballer not be able to pass a ball,so what are their strengths,just kicking a ball in aimless directions and running about without a ball? You don't make it to this level if you can't pass (Pearson the obvious exception). I'd say our issue has been more down to coaching than anything. Look at how Tottenham have transformed in a short space of time by having a good coach with a clear style of play. They were shite last season |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 3, 2023 18:29:44 GMT 1
How can a proffesional footballer not be able to pass a ball,so what are their strengths,just kicking a ball in aimless directions and running about without a ball? You don't make it to this level if you can't pass (Pearson the obvious exception). I'd say our issue has been more down to coaching than anything. Look at how Tottenham have transformed in a short space of time by having a good coach with a clear style of play. They were shite last season Struggling to detect Spurs’s style of play this afternoon. |
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Post by harris on Dec 3, 2023 18:31:25 GMT 1
You don't make it to this level if you can't pass (Pearson the obvious exception). I'd say our issue has been more down to coaching than anything. Look at how Tottenham have transformed in a short space of time by having a good coach with a clear style of play. They were shite last season Struggling to detect Spurs’s style of play this afternoon. They’re putting some great moves together, remind me of Arsenal’s early days under Arteta |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 3, 2023 18:51:08 GMT 1
You don't make it to this level if you can't pass (Pearson the obvious exception). I'd say our issue has been more down to coaching than anything. Look at how Tottenham have transformed in a short space of time by having a good coach with a clear style of play. They were shite last season Struggling to detect Spurs’s style of play this afternoon. Having two full backs at centre half isn't ideal when up against the best side in Europe |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 3, 2023 18:59:39 GMT 1
Struggling to detect Spurs’s style of play this afternoon. Having two full backs at centre half isn't ideal when up against the best side in Europe Fair do’s to Spurs. They have been brilliant in the 2nd half so far. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Dec 3, 2023 19:19:55 GMT 1
Commentator said earlier they have 10 players out… tbf to Neil Warnock and Darren Moore, Towns injury situation has been similar at times and we don’t have Lo Celso & co as back up either.
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 3, 2023 19:25:12 GMT 1
The refs dropped a right bollock there
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 3, 2023 19:29:42 GMT 1
Haalands not taken that well 🤣
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Post by rab030 on Dec 3, 2023 20:11:43 GMT 1
Haalands not taken that well 🤣 Not helped because he missed two easy chances to hit the target |
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Post by prepare on Dec 3, 2023 20:21:27 GMT 1
How many main courses and puddings? We already have enough puddings😀 agree they are sat in the stands !! |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Dec 3, 2023 20:30:38 GMT 1
We already have enough puddings😀 agree they are sat in the stands !! And all over social media |
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Post by shawsie on Dec 3, 2023 23:22:30 GMT 1
Gotta give DM some credit right now - it ain’t pretty but he’s getting results and that’s his job.
I remain to be convinced personally…………….but the players are grafting for him and he deserves a bit of time to reshape the squad probably. That said, his and the club’s short term future rest on the next 2 or 3 transfer windows…………it’s not about spunking millions, but we do need better quality starters very quickly to compete at this level. Will he be given the tools to show he can “do it”? That’s the big question for me and we will find out soon I suppose.
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Post by hudmat on Dec 4, 2023 1:33:10 GMT 1
Why? Why should we get behind him? He’s shit, offered nothing to prove otherwise. We owe him nothing. He’s done nothing for us.
Surely we are allowed to think he’s shit. Let’s call a spade a spade. We don’t have to get behind anyone just because we pay them a ridiculous amount to be here. He is only here for the money and a chance of more in the future. He has no care for the town or the team. And that’s fine. Say it together. He is shit. 🙂
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Post by Amigo on Dec 4, 2023 7:14:10 GMT 1
Why? Why should we get behind him? He’s shit, offered nothing to prove otherwise. We owe him nothing. He’s done nothing for us. Surely we are allowed to think he’s shit. Let’s call a spade a spade. We don’t have to get behind anyone just because we pay them a ridiculous amount to be here. He is only here for the money and a chance of more in the future. He has no care for the town or the team. And that’s fine. Say it together. He is shit. 🙂 Great attitude. That's the sort of positive thinking that will get us firing in the right direction in no time. Fuck the fact he's here and our manager until something changes, we need to hammer the prick he's probably made a shit start on purpose and gone round 2 footing players in training to keep them injured anyway. He very very obviously doesn't give a shit about his career and livelyhood so fuck him lets hound him for a few months till he can't take it anymore and quits or gets sacked I'm sure if it gets to that stage the team will be in a great position... |
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Post by royrace on Dec 4, 2023 10:56:33 GMT 1
Why? Why should we get behind him? He’s shit, offered nothing to prove otherwise. We owe him nothing. He’s done nothing for us. Surely we are allowed to think he’s shit. Let’s call a spade a spade. We don’t have to get behind anyone just because we pay them a ridiculous amount to be here. He is only here for the money and a chance of more in the future. He has no care for the town or the team. And that’s fine. Say it together. He is shit. 🙂 Great attitude. That's the sort of positive thinking that will get us firing in the right direction in no time. Fuck the fact he's here and our manager until something changes, we need to hammer the prick he's probably made a shit start on purpose and gone round 2 footing players in training to keep them injured anyway. He very very obviously doesn't give a shit about his career and livelyhood so fuck him lets hound him for a few months till he can't take it anymore and quits or gets sacked I'm sure if it gets to that stage the team will be in a great position... I think maybe what he is saying is that he resents the notion that the fan base should just blindly get behind a manager regardless of performance. Fans will rightly criticise if the performances are shit, as it's their right. It's all dependent on performance so no need to tell people to "get behind the manager", it will happen naturally hopefully. If it doesn't then it will mean he's not performing. Around 80 percent of the fan base are probably rational, then you'll get the hyper negative ones and the happy clappers who will take opposite views regardless of performance. They're usually the ones who make the most noise! |
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Post by dugnet on Dec 4, 2023 12:04:45 GMT 1
This thread shows the naturally fickle nature of football fans. The last week has, apparently (as you know I haven't attended games), seen DM finding a way to pick up points, points that are extremely valuable. It also appears that the players are bought in and working for him. From what I read we are playing pragmatically (ie hardly likely to get people excited), but that is as good as DM can do with the resources currently available to him.
I posted last week that I think the majority would prefer that DM is successful. He isn't being judged personally, he is judged on what fans see on the pitch. Post Ipswich and prior to Southampton what fans saw, even allowing for mitigation of circumstances, did not see enough to convince them that DM was a good appointment. The last 3 games has offered some encouragement.
This apparent cohesion and improvement needs to continue through to when he gets better resources (both return of injured players and new additions) but if it does fans will be more convinced.
I will give DM immense credit for his mental toughness. To suffer the very public criticism at Elland Rd and to keep going says something about the man he is. What we still don't know is how good a coach/manager he is but the last 3 games has shown a resilience that is encouraging.
What was also encouraging this week was Mr Nagle's interview with Radio Leeds. I do think he listens, I also think he learns and I am more hopeful he has a determination to be successful in the long term. January was always going to be massively important. It must be easier to attract and integrate any new player into a team that is competing and able to pick up points.
The truth is we have had a better week but the challenge is to keep that going and grinding out as many points as possible until January comes along.
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 4, 2023 12:07:11 GMT 1
Why? Why should we get behind him? He’s shit, offered nothing to prove otherwise. We owe him nothing. He’s done nothing for us. Surely we are allowed to think he’s shit. Let’s call a spade a spade. We don’t have to get behind anyone just because we pay them a ridiculous amount to be here. He is only here for the money and a chance of more in the future. He has no care for the town or the team. And that’s fine. Say it together. He is shit. 🙂 Great attitude. That's the sort of positive thinking that will get us firing in the right direction in no time. Fuck the fact he's here and our manager until something changes, we need to hammer the prick he's probably made a shit start on purpose and gone round 2 footing players in training to keep them injured anyway. He very very obviously doesn't give a shit about his career and livelyhood so fuck him lets hound him for a few months till he can't take it anymore and quits or gets sacked I'm sure if it gets to that stage the team will be in a great position... If you remember his tackle on Barry Horne, some of that might not be far off 😉🤣 |
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Post by runner76 on Dec 4, 2023 13:17:59 GMT 1
This thread shows the naturally fickle nature of football fans. The last week has, apparently (as you know I haven't attended games), seen DM finding a way to pick up points, points that are extremely valuable. It also appears that the players are bought in and working for him. From what I read we are playing pragmatically (ie hardly likely to get people excited), but that is as good as DM can do with the resources currently available to him. I posted last week that I think the majority would prefer that DM is successful. He isn't being judged personally, he is judged on what fans see on the pitch. Post Ipswich and prior to Southampton what fans saw, even allowing for mitigation of circumstances, did not see enough to convince them that DM was a good appointment. The last 3 games has offered some encouragement. This apparent cohesion and improvement needs to continue through to when he gets better resources (both return of injured players and new additions) but if it does fans will be more convinced. I will give DM immense credit for his mental toughness. To suffer the very public criticism at Elland Rd and to keep going says something about the man he is. What we still don't know is how good a coach/manager he is but the last 3 games has shown a resilience that is encouraging. What was also encouraging this week was Mr Nagle's interview with Radio Leeds. I do think he listens, I also think he learns and I am more hopeful he has a determination to be successful in the long term. January was always going to be massively important. It must be easier to attract and integrate any new player into a team that is competing and able to pick up points. The truth is we have had a better week but the challenge is to keep that going and grinding out as many points as possible until January comes along. Exactly this. If we can stay there or thereabouts where we are now - just 10 points off the play offs coming up the half season mark, then things are looking not too bad. |
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Post by Amigo on Dec 4, 2023 15:54:53 GMT 1
Great attitude. That's the sort of positive thinking that will get us firing in the right direction in no time. Fuck the fact he's here and our manager until something changes, we need to hammer the prick he's probably made a shit start on purpose and gone round 2 footing players in training to keep them injured anyway. He very very obviously doesn't give a shit about his career and livelyhood so fuck him lets hound him for a few months till he can't take it anymore and quits or gets sacked I'm sure if it gets to that stage the team will be in a great position... I think maybe what he is saying is that he resents the notion that the fan base should just blindly get behind a manager regardless of performance. Fans will rightly criticise if the performances are shit, as it's their right. It's all dependent on performance so no need to tell people to "get behind the manager", it will happen naturally hopefully. If it doesn't then it will mean he's not performing. Around 80 percent of the fan base are probably rational, then you'll get the hyper negative ones and the happy clappers who will take opposite views regardless of performance. They're usually the ones who make the most noise! I think if that was the meaning it may have been slightly badly worded and perhaps a little bit over the top. |
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Post by omegasupreme on Dec 4, 2023 21:42:09 GMT 1
Why didn't people moan this much over a 1-0 defeat away at Swansea last season? With only 21% and 175 passes. Oh yeah.... NW was in charge. Fickle fuckers. You a correct in that this fixture last season was really poor. However, the difference was that was that at that stage last season, NW had already got some great results and decent performances. It’s not fickle at all. One manager knew exactly what he was doing, the other seems clueless. |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 4, 2023 21:45:23 GMT 1
Why didn't people moan this much over a 1-0 defeat away at Swansea last season?With only 21% and 175 passes. Oh yeah.... NW was in charge. Fickle fuckers. They did. |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 4, 2023 21:46:27 GMT 1
Why didn't people moan this much over a 1-0 defeat away at Swansea last season? With only 21% and 175 passes. Oh yeah.... NW was in charge. Fickle fuckers. You a correct in that this fixture last season was really poor. However, the difference was that was that at that stage last season, NW had already got some great results and decent performances. It’s not fickle at all. One manager knew exactly what he was doing, the other seems clueless. Didn't you read the memo? Now he's gone, certain posters like to stick the boot into him at every opportunity for some weird reason. All he ever did was keep us up when we were relegation certainties. What a bastard. |
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