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Post by Porrohman on Dec 9, 2023 21:21:10 GMT 1
How Edmonds green is a professional footballer I will never know A good point in the end but I’m so tired of going into every game like we are a conference team playing against premier league opposition. I’m having a break from going for awhile now Like about 10000 others judging by the stand today. Around 8000 I reckon. Probably fewer v PNE midweek. Well I was there today but I'm going to a gig at The Parish on Tuesday rather than watch Holmsey get a hat trick 😁
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Post by shawsie on Dec 9, 2023 21:32:31 GMT 1
Two average teams at best today - I thought Del, Koroma and Kasumu linked well first half. Tactically not sure why DM went 352 and not 343 today - gave up far too much space in wide areas and they really exploited that - thankfully they lacked a killer instinct when getting in behind us, and Maxwell was excellent. Second half we were really poor - felt like playing for the draw. Positives 4 unbeaten Kasumu was excellent Maxwell Positive and Negative Koroma and Burgzorg - they looked sharp and a threat. The negative being we are so defensive we don’t get them on the ball enough. Negatives Pretty uninspiring stuff again On to Tuesday…hopefully in better weather! UTT Agree with that pretty much. We need a win before we lose our next game if that makes sense! Pretty good assessment that. It wasnt as bad today as some make out......but it aint great. REG not a player at this level. Wiles - why is he so high? Hes wasted there - the game passes him by. Moore so poor in "in game" management - we are limited but his subs make us worse most weeks that ive seen. A big job for the club hierachy now - apathy is creeping further and thats dangerous.
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Post by tockyterrier on Dec 9, 2023 21:32:48 GMT 1
Ward off defender on. We are not trying to win it apparently Completely ignored the fact that koroma went up front and REG went to WB though? Ot was obvious we were trying to get forwards and attack more. But it's also obvious that some of the players are either not good enough, or not experienced enough for this level at the moment. Nothing DM can do about that.
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Post by 28901 on Dec 9, 2023 21:37:07 GMT 1
You realise if you draw every game you will probably get relegated.. .. Gosh! Now you mention it. Thanks for the valuable info You're welcome. So you're happy grinding out draws at home to poor sides? You and your ⁸ mate remind me of Boris Johnson supporting bots on twitter.
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Post by Big Ern on Dec 9, 2023 21:38:31 GMT 1
You must be mental if you think we currently have better options. We don't. If he comes back we still don't have a Championship quality striker but my reply was to the bit where he said IF we had the players to create chances for JR. We haven't. Sorba Thomas can create chances. What we are desperately crying our for is an AM/10 in the ilk of Casey Palmer or Izzy Brown to carve teams open. I was hoping that Diarra would come of age this year but if anything he looks worse by the game. Matt Ritchie would be a very very good option for us on a short term deal in my opinion.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Dec 9, 2023 21:38:41 GMT 1
.. Gosh! Now you mention it. Thanks for the valuable info You're welcome. So you're happy grinding out draws at home to poor sides? You and your ⁸ mate remind me of Boris Johnson supporting bots on twitter. Yes for now. We do need to strengthen but for now, every point is a valuable one
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Post by tockyterrier on Dec 9, 2023 21:39:51 GMT 1
I think Moore's plan is to draw his way to safety, won't work man. QPR have got their tails up, even a win for Wednesday today. This is a depressing watch. Its not his plan, its what he's forced to do. It's clear that after Wateford and Hull, we have gradually been adding more forward movement in to the play, but it's not DMs fault has got a squad of players who either can't pass it 10yds without losing it or can't see the pass to play when they are running with it.
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Post by tockyterrier on Dec 9, 2023 21:45:24 GMT 1
I agree - such vocal frustration is counter productive but my god it does frustrate me too. You’re taught in football as a defender to drive positively into space, our first touch is nearly always back to goal. But agreed with the main point, the atmosphere is awful at the moment. It’s toxic. We pass the ball about and as we do the players are getting booed. The football is shit, but don’t think booing them for actually trying to play football is on at all. It's mental, and in my opinion a sign of poor footballing intelligence. Its usually the same people complaining about the low possession stats who are complaining that we don't just hoof it forwards. Probably the same people complaining we didn't put another ( non existing) striker on when Ward came off and didnt notice that Koroma went up front.
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Post by goodbet on Dec 9, 2023 21:45:54 GMT 1
Ward off defender on. We are not trying to win it apparently Completely ignored the fact that koroma went up front and REG went to WB though? Ot was obvious we were trying to get forwards and attack more. But it's also obvious that some of the players are either not good enough, or not experienced enough for this level at the moment. Nothing DM can do about that. REG went where? He never was anywhere near a WB. then we replaced Koroma with a defensive midfielder. I would have liked to have seen Iorpenda brought on. All this against a Bristol City that gained their first point in three games. We all know that DM is not the cause of the squad issues but he dose not help himself with his negativity.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Dec 9, 2023 21:49:55 GMT 1
Amount of people calling for Rhodes is pathetic. He showed over the past 2 years that he isn't good enough for the championship anymore. League 1 is his level now unfortunately. He still scored more than Ward last season in half the number of starts. Rhodes may be past his best but he's head & shoulders above anything else we've got at the moment.
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Post by stevvy on Dec 9, 2023 21:50:46 GMT 1
When Wiles and Ward went off I said that I'd forgotten they were on the pitch.
REG has never ever been anything close to a Championship quality player in any position. He's a waste of a wage, and it's criminal that he's still here.
Maxwell did well, although live from the south stand the City goal looked like it went under or through him, but at the same time, if it wasn't for him, we'd have lost.
Kasumu I didn't even realise had such pace. I was waiting for him to be caught, or pulled down, or just not do what he did. Wise decision to pass to Burgzorg.
As for the ref, well, they clearly didn't pay him enough to guarantee a win, but they paid him enough to make sure that if we so much as breathed in their direction and went down, they'd get a free kick, but we'd get nothing even for a blatant foul. We should have had a freekick before their goal, and should have had a penalty too. If he was shit for both teams, I'd say it was just that he was shit, but that wasn't the case today.
Oh and we really need to start keeping clean sheets. We're not good enough to score at least 2 goals every game, which generally is what we need to have any hope of a win
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Post by tockyterrier on Dec 9, 2023 21:51:34 GMT 1
I agree - such vocal frustration is counter productive but my god it does frustrate me too. You’re taught in football as a defender to drive positively into space, our first touch is nearly always back to goal. But agreed with the main point, the atmosphere is awful at the moment. I think that when we try to win games at home the atmosphere will improve. We are trying to win. But this squad is not good enough to attack the way we want. Warbick said last season we'd get hammered if we tried to attack or play with 2 up front. And the squad is no better now than it was then. Most opposition goals ....like todays....come from us trying to play football, too many can't pass it quickly and accurately enough and end up giving easy chances away to the opposition unless we keep it tight at the back.
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Post by tockyterrier on Dec 9, 2023 21:54:24 GMT 1
“ half arsed bunch” you’re talking absolute rubbish with that comment, some aren’t good enough, but there was no lack of effort, imo. I disagree, I don't often call the players out but today City were more committed in the tackle, first to almost every header and kept going right until the end. They also played the conditions much better than us. playing the conditions better is not desire and effort though, that's just been more savvy. Half that team today ...basically midfield and forwards shoukd probably be back up players or impact subs at this level, not first choice every week.
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Post by softboy on Dec 9, 2023 21:58:49 GMT 1
Both teams deserve credit today not only because of the weather but officials who were shit at best. As for that all elusive home penalty if we don’t get the clear handball today then we will never get one. It’s a point!
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 9, 2023 21:58:54 GMT 1
It’s toxic. We pass the ball about and as we do the players are getting booed. The football is shit, but don’t think booing them for actually trying to play football is on at all. It's mental, and in my opinion a sign of poor footballing intelligence. Its usually the same people complaining about the low possession stats who are complaining that we don't just hoof it forwards. Probably the same people combining we didn't put another ( non existing) striker on when Ward came off and didnt notice that Koroma went up front. Or noticed that we put someone completely unsuitable to the job of WB on when JK went up front 🤷. He'd have done better putting Austerfield on and moving Kas to WB.
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Post by itkterrier on Dec 9, 2023 22:03:06 GMT 1
We played 2 maybe 3 balls into the box that would've been perfect for a proper striker to get on the end of. Has to be top of the list in January.
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Post by Big Ern on Dec 9, 2023 22:03:57 GMT 1
I disagree, I don't often call the players out but today City were more committed in the tackle, first to almost every header and kept going right until the end. They also played the conditions much better than us. playing the conditions better is not desire and effort though, that's just been more savvy. Half that team today ...basically midfield and forwards shoukd probably be back up players or impact subs at this level, not first choice every week. Not all the team were poor and not all the team I felt weren't committed but (and I can't put my finger on why) for some reason today I just felt something was lacking and the players didn't seem right. Maybe it was the crowd, highlighted by Pearsons shushing in the first half. I don't know but my spider senses are tingling. Something doesn't feel right.
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Post by rockwall on Dec 9, 2023 22:05:02 GMT 1
Amount of people calling for Rhodes is pathetic. He showed over the past 2 years that he isn't good enough for the championship anymore. League 1 is his level now unfortunately. He still scored more than Ward last season in half the number of starts. Rhodes may be past his best but he's head & shoulders above anything else we've got at the moment. They both got 5.
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Post by tockyterrier on Dec 9, 2023 22:05:56 GMT 1
It's mental, and in my opinion a sign of poor footballing intelligence. Its usually the same people complaining about the low possession stats who are complaining that we don't just hoof it forwards. Probably the same people combining we didn't put another ( non existing) striker on when Ward came off and didnt notice that Koroma went up front. Or noticed that we put someone completely unsuitable to the job of WB on when JK went up front 🤷. He'd have done better putting Austerfield on and moving Kas to WB. I thought that was what he was going to do TBH. Our biggest problem is we don't have anybody to bring on really. Players like Headly, Austerfield etc shoukd be getting 20 mins here and there when ina winning position to build up confidence and experience not playing key roles week i week out in a struggling team, or coming on to hold on to a draw. Etc.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2023 22:11:21 GMT 1
Can the people who say "2 home games we should be getting 4 or 6 points" give it a rest please.
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Post by crux on Dec 9, 2023 22:18:07 GMT 1
DM said his “natural position” is right wing back. Every time I see him I actually question if anywhere on a (championship) football pitch is his natural position. Sorry what?! REG a fking right wing back?! ROFL. Can't be any worse than he is at centre half or central midfield! He's certainly a better option there than Edwards. Although to be fair so am I and I'm 62 and I've got COPD 🤣. I think DM does genuinely see REG as a right back or wing back option at the moment, possibly because of lack of other options and a limited number of fit players who he thinks can play Championship football.
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Post by goodbet on Dec 9, 2023 22:18:56 GMT 1
I think that when we try to win games at home the atmosphere will improve. We are trying to win. But this squad is not good enough to attack the way we want. Warbick said last season we'd get hammered if we tried to attack or play with 2 up front. And the squad is no better now than it was then. Most opposition goals ....like todays....come from us trying to play football, too many can't pass it quickly and accurately enough and end up giving easy chances away to the opposition unless we keep it tight at the back. If you watched that game, how can you say we were trying to win? We never tried to win we changed our setup when the game was still at 1-1 to go even more defensive. We have people saying that the summer was all Warnock's fault and others saying that none of this is down to DM. We have slid as a team year on year from the first year in the Premiership. Who's fault is it? Well there is enough of it go go around, some down to Dean and then his attempted sale that went wrong. KN and his team were in charge of the summer window and it is no good shrugging their shoulders and saying it was all down to Warnock. DM inherited a difficult position but in spite of what we want to happen we have gotten worse than when Warnock was here and slipping in to the bottom three. We all hope that KN and his team will pull their finger out in January, but base on the summer I am not confident that they will or have the knowledge to get us what we need if they do try.
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Post by Orinoco on Dec 9, 2023 22:25:59 GMT 1
In League One 🙄, in the Championship he has 14 goals in 4 seasons Playing in the teams he has, with the service he gets, that’s not bad! Wont half have boosted his confidence though!.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Dec 9, 2023 22:29:02 GMT 1
He still scored more than Ward last season in half the number of starts. Rhodes may be past his best but he's head & shoulders above anything else we've got at the moment. They both got 5. Rhodes got one in the cup at Preston. 6 in total, but again it was in half the number of starts. For me bringing Rhodes back is a must in Jan as well as looking to sign another striker. We've seen what a couple of injuries does to the team & having a couple more options up front is vital to our survival hopes.
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Post by Orinoco on Dec 9, 2023 22:32:39 GMT 1
So what, the rest of our strikers are league 2 standard so that's a step up Rhodes’s form is now impossible to ignore no matter what League he’s playing in. Must be the sea air and all those pound burgers he eats from Chris Higgets.
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Post by tockyterrier on Dec 9, 2023 22:34:59 GMT 1
We are trying to win. But this squad is not good enough to attack the way we want. Warbick said last season we'd get hammered if we tried to attack or play with 2 up front. And the squad is no better now than it was then. Most opposition goals ....like todays....come from us trying to play football, too many can't pass it quickly and accurately enough and end up giving easy chances away to the opposition unless we keep it tight at the back. If you watched that game, how can you say we were trying to win? We never tried to win we changed our setup when the game was still at 1-1 to go even more defensive. We have people saying that the summer was all Warnock's fault and others saying that none of this is down to DM. We have slid as a team year on year from the first year in the Premiership. Who's fault is it? Well there is enough of it go go around, some down to Dean and then his attempted sale that went wrong. KN and his team were in charge of the summer window and it is no good shrugging their shoulders and saying it was all down to Warnock. DM inherited a difficult position but in spite of what we want to happen we have gotten worse than when Warnock was here and slipping in to the bottom three. We all hope that KN and his team will pull their finger out in January, but base on the summer I am not confident that they will or have the knowledge to get us what we need if they do try. The decline from the Prem is certainly nothing to do with Nagel or DM, and neither is the Summer window. We were under a budget restriction submitted by DH and Nagel wasn't allowed to make decision related to the club till (June ?) And most summer moves would have been prepared by other clubs and agents well in advance of that. As for today, he didn't change the set-up. He changed the players due to the fact we can't afford players to get injured again etc. But we kept the same shape. We were 5 atvthe back defending and tried to push forward to to be 3 4 3 when attacking. But the reality is we struggled to do it. Not cos the Manager didn't want to, but because the players on the pitch couldn't do it. That's not the fault of the current manager or the players we have. IMO its a problem caused by buying too many projects players and not enough here and now players over the last few seasons.
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Post by Orinoco on Dec 9, 2023 22:38:15 GMT 1
Rhodes’s form is now impossible to ignore no matter what League he’s playing in. Always has been and always will be a better striker than Ward. Presume him or Ward had to be loaned our to bring the invisible striker in at end of the window, Warnock would never let Ward go, i wonder how many Ward would have scored if it was him what moved to the seaside?.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Dec 9, 2023 22:39:32 GMT 1
I think Moore's plan is to draw his way to safety, won't work man. QPR have got their tails up, even a win for Wednesday today. This is a depressing watch. Its not his plan, its what he's forced to do. It's clear that after Watford and Hull, we have gradually been adding more forward movement in to the play, but it's not DMs fault has got a squad of players who either can't pass it 10yds without losing it or can't see the pass to play when they are running with it. I agree with this, and the conditions were atrocious, especially second half with the wind against us. However our movement is really poor. The number of times one of our lads had the ball but no out ball, nobody in a position to pass to. Surely, even if they cannot make silk purses out of sows ears, the coaching staff can get them moving better? A few on here have mentioned Burgzorg in a positive way, and his goal was well taken, but he needs to find space better, and to do that he needs to be quicker. His pace looks leisurely when it needs to be quick and aggressive. There was one cross first half from our right, that went right through the box and just needed someone at the back post and he was miles away. If he is going to be one of a striking pair he needs to keep up with play. I do think confidence is still low, and quality as well. Also players coming back from injury take a while. I think given the players available to him DM is trying to be more positive but without confidence they struggle. Some of the misplaced passes, 5 or 10 yards, today which you know they would nail in training, they would make if they were more confident. The only way that will come is with some decent results and we still look a way off those.
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Post by stevvy on Dec 9, 2023 22:43:50 GMT 1
We basically have the worst forward options in the league (some would probably argue we have no forward options). Our forward options would be, at best, dodgy at L1 level. At this level, our forward options are an actual embarrassment
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Post by jakeg on Dec 9, 2023 22:49:37 GMT 1
My take on today. Appalling conditions forced both teams to make too many basic errors on the ball trying to account for the wind and not good enough to compensate. In those circumstances I think both teams take a point and move on.
Some positives in terms of Kasumu driving forward, Headley going forward, the centre backs and Burgzorg at least providing some threat. City looked dangerous at times but both teams struggled when conditions deteriorated in the second half.
Referee was appalling. So inconsistent for both teams. Giving stuff for nothing one minute then nothing for obvious fouls. I don't mind an official making one glaring error. That's human. But consistently shit isn't good enough.
On different topic....massive credit to the club for the inclusion Room. Took my lad for the second time...he can't cope.with being in the crowd due to autism but the facilities are fantastic and pretty rare across other clubs. Well done Town
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