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Post by goodbet on Dec 9, 2023 22:50:38 GMT 1
If you watched that game, how can you say we were trying to win? We never tried to win we changed our setup when the game was still at 1-1 to go even more defensive. We have people saying that the summer was all Warnock's fault and others saying that none of this is down to DM. We have slid as a team year on year from the first year in the Premiership. Who's fault is it? Well there is enough of it go go around, some down to Dean and then his attempted sale that went wrong. KN and his team were in charge of the summer window and it is no good shrugging their shoulders and saying it was all down to Warnock. DM inherited a difficult position but in spite of what we want to happen we have gotten worse than when Warnock was here and slipping in to the bottom three. We all hope that KN and his team will pull their finger out in January, but base on the summer I am not confident that they will or have the knowledge to get us what we need if they do try. The decline from the Prem is certainly nothing to do with Nagel or DM, obviouslyand neither is the Summer window. We were under a budget restriction submitted by DH and Nagel wasn't allowed to make decision related to the club till (June ?) And most summer moves would have been prepared by other clubs and agents well in advance of that. Chicken made it clear that the budget restrictions was not holding us back it is just something that KN's team is hiding behind.
As for today, he didn't change the set-up. He changed the players due to the fact we can't afford players to get injured again etc. But we kept the same shape. We were 5 at the back defending and tried to push forward to to be 3 4 3 when attacking. But the reality is we struggled to do it. Not cos the Manager didn't want to, but because the players on the pitch couldn't do it. That's not the fault of the current manager or the players we have. DM's setup was wrong from the startIMO its a problem caused by buying too many projects players and not enough here and now players over the last few seasons. I agree The difference is I don't give KN's team a free pass for the Summer and I know that we could be better if we played on the front foot some of the time.
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Post by Uddersfeeled on Dec 9, 2023 22:57:25 GMT 1
Completely ignored the fact that koroma went up front and REG went to WB though? Ot was obvious we were trying to get forwards and attack more. But it's also obvious that some of the players are either not good enough, or not experienced enough for this level at the moment. Nothing DM can do about that. REG went where? He never was anywhere near a WB. then we replaced Koroma with a defensive midfielder. I would have liked to have seen Iorpenda brought on. All this against a Bristol City that gained their first point in three games. We all know that DM is not the cause of the squad issues but he dose not help himself with his negativity. I’d like to see Iorpenda as well.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Dec 9, 2023 23:00:48 GMT 1
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Post by workshyfop on Dec 9, 2023 23:12:59 GMT 1
Everything about the club is shoddy and amateur at the moment. Max Watters scored for Barnsley, I see! Pisstaking aside, he’d improve our squad.
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Post by joek on Dec 9, 2023 23:18:48 GMT 1
Was willing the powers that be to let the hundred or so people in the NSL today to move into the Kilner Bank before kick off this afternoon. Would have been a massive PR win and generally felt like just the right thing to do.
I went to Swansea last week and tried to get tickets when I arrived early at the JSS for the Southampton game. Ticket office said they couldn’t sell me them as I wanted two tickets for the game but only had one season card on me. Tried to buy online on the following Monday but for some reason wasn’t showing children’s tickets available for purchase (I was going with my daughter). Had to ring up Tuesday and when I ordered tickets was told there’d be a fee for booking on phone! Explained I had tried to purchase in person and online and eventually it was knocked off. After 4.5 hour delayed train ride I had to then wait in queue at Swansea ticket office to get tickets. Not a massive deal but more difficult than it needed to be.
I know football clubs don’t owe supporters anything and no one forces people to go, but sometimes a bit of common sense wouldn’t go amiss.
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Post by horaceofhorbury on Dec 9, 2023 23:30:52 GMT 1
Difficult to play football in those conditions. No suprise both goals came at the same end. Unlike so many other posters I didn't think it was a poor Town performance. I think Bristol are a settled team who aren't afraid to foul their way through a game. As others have mentioned the referee was weak. The assistant referee at the Riverside was poor. Other referees in this division would have booked half a dozen players in that game, mostly in black.
Contrary to others on this forum and inclined to ring the Radio Leeds fan's forum, I do see Darren Moore talking to the players during the game. Not a lot I admit but he does do it. It's not flamboyant and theatrical like Warnock and not incessant and antogonistic like the Cowley brothers but frankly I prefer less of that style anyway.
The team are grinding out results in games they were previously losing. So many teams in the bottom half of the division are much of a muchness. As supporters all we can do is support and hope things improve as the more creative players return to the squad or join the club in January. Points gained whilst the squad is so depleted are incredibly valuable at this stage of the season and very hard won. Even the manager's harshest crics aren't saying the players aren't putting in the effort. That's a sign of a team in trouble and it isn't present with this squad. Well done on today's performance to manager, staff and team and let's hope for 3 points midweek or next weekend.
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Post by Sio on Dec 9, 2023 23:44:58 GMT 1
We basically have the worst forward options in the league (some would probably argue we have no forward options). Our forward options would be, at best, dodgy at L1 level. At this level, our forward options are an actual embarrassment To be fair we literally own the second top scorer in L1
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Post by goodbet on Dec 9, 2023 23:47:07 GMT 1
We basically have the worst forward options in the league (some would probably argue we have no forward options). Our forward options would be, at best, dodgy at L1 level. At this level, our forward options are an actual embarrassment To be fair we literally own the second top scorer in L1 Until the summer anyway
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Post by DATM Travel Agent on Dec 9, 2023 23:50:15 GMT 1
Just in case anybody hasn't already mentioned the last time we scored a penalty at home, it was 25th February 2020 in a 2-1 win vs, of all opponents, Bristol City. Four days later we'd see our final home game for nearly 4 months.
2023/24 - N/A 2022/23 - Missed: None. Scored: Rhodes (Luton away). 2021/22 - Missed: Ward (Bristol City away). Scored: Holmes (Fulham away) & Anjorin (Coventry away) 2020/21 - Missed: Bacuna (Wendies home), Campbell (Millwall home) & Sanogo (Cardiff home). Scored: None 2019/20 - Missed: Grant (Birmingham away). Scored: Grant (Derby home, QPR away, Blackburn away, Bristol City home, Forest away, Birmingham away) & Mounié (QPR home)
In 2019/20 alone we were given 8 penalties. In the following 158 matches, we've been given 7 penalties.
Our current run of home games without a penalty being awarded is 63, and you can make that 86 for home games without a penalty being scored.
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 10, 2023 0:01:31 GMT 1
Amount of people calling for Rhodes is pathetic. He showed over the past 2 years that he isn't good enough for the championship anymore. League 1 is his level now unfortunately. So negative 😂
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 10, 2023 0:03:01 GMT 1
DM said his “natural position” is right wing back. Every time I see him I actually question if anywhere on a (championship) football pitch is his natural position. This. In a sense he reminds me of Scott High. He's ok at a lot of things. If he could just become "good" at one of the things he is currently "ok" at he'd be fine. Unfortunately, whichever position you play him in he's got a major flaw for that position. He turns 25 next month. How much is he likely to improve? He's a great prospect.
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Post by rab030 on Dec 10, 2023 0:23:51 GMT 1
Rhodes’s form is now impossible to ignore no matter what League he’s playing in. Always has been and always will be a better striker than Ward. My gran is a better striker than Ward. Two year deal so his son got a nice commission. Unfortunately it also got him the sack.
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Post by rab030 on Dec 10, 2023 0:29:50 GMT 1
Quite a lot of non-euphoric rabbits on here tonight. Down from the freezing far north to a soppy Huddersfield for this one. One feeling I had walking up Leeds Road after the game was that I'd been entertained... two very different styles, though I'm not sure the way Town play is going to attract new fans, or fill the seats of those 5,000 missing season ticket holders (take note Mr Nagle if you're reading this... once you lose them they are very difficult to get back). I didn't hear any booing around me at the final whistle, and very few left early, so they must have been on the edge of their seats as much as I was, or they thought that if they stayed in the stadium long enough, it might stop raining. No booing... that is apart from the officials who were probably some of the worst I've seen. I could put Mr Davies in the same category as a certain Mr Willis for those of you who are of a certain vintage. I was a little taken aback by some of the callers on Radio Leeds post-match. Town did exactly what they've done for the previous five games. Glennon (who is now beginning to irritate me) stated that our win at Sunderland was so different, "organised, full of attacking intent". That is complete and utter bollox! Stadium of LightPossession: Sunderland 76% - 24% Town. Shots: Sunderland 27(9) - 9(4) Town ... and Maxwell had his best game for many a long year I would wager. TodayPossession: Town 39% - 61% Bristol. Shots Town 6(4) - 15(4) Bristol. At least today we had a bit more possession. I suppose the old tropes will come out... e.g. Sunderland are a better side than Bristol, but I'd suggest there is little difference between 4th and all those below. Anyone can win it on the day. One or two players I need to mention. I thought Kasumu was outstanding and he gets an A from me. He is in a real purple patch at the moment and long may it continue. I'd move Hogg up from his usual B+ to an A-. He doesn't do everything right, but when the opposition are attacking I look to see where he is, 'cos I know he's going to stem the attack. Burgzorg (A-)... the opposition don't know what he's going to do next, but neither does Burgzorg... entertainer. Koroma (B+)... did well on his least preferred wing. It wasn't all good though. Headley (C+) got turned four times in the first 20 minutes and Bristol should have profited. Wiles (C)... he just doesn't get into the game. Diarra (C) seems to have gone backwards and is a liability defensively. At this rate he's definitely not getting his contract renewed at the end of the season. So Preston next. A win will be viewed as a decent couple of outings... a loss will put some pressure on Moore to start winning (think he's safe until the end of Feb). Another draw and the rabbits will be on prozac. Don’t normally listen to RL, too many callers who haven’t even been to the game, however , Glennon, his hatred and negativity to Moore is beyond irritating it’s totally irrational , won’t be bothering listening again.Good balanced summary Kenny 👍 Completely agree about Matt Glennon. Poor knowledge of the game and talks bollocks most of the time. I suppose we need to remember he spend most of the week asking his customers where they are going on holiday.
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Post by deo1 on Dec 10, 2023 0:30:40 GMT 1
After watching that today and the previous 3 games where we’ve gone unbeaten I’ve seen no improvement in the team apart from not getting hammered by mediocre teams. In the car on the way home I listened to Moore and thought I’d been to a different game to him. He made it sound like we were unlucky to draw where the facts were we could’ve been down by 3 after 10 minutes. With him stood on the touchline and not knowing what to do to change it doesn’t bode well for town and the fans. If that doesn’t show how out of depth he is being our manager then god knows what will. Moore out.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 10, 2023 0:34:17 GMT 1
This squad isn’t near good enough - and that’s not the managers fault
Kasumu kept cramping up. Koroma did as well. They needed subbing
Ward and Wiles ran out of gas - to quote Moore. He did sub them with the best we have
Everyone is rushed back from injury like Dela
Hogg is 35. Lees is 33 but never get rotated as we don’t have any one to rotate them for!
And we have just two days before we go again
It’s a joke. I’ve never seen such a threadbare squad in 35 years of watching town - part in injuries but largely due to slack work in the summer
We had no options from the bench. Moore literally didn’t have a striker and only Diarra as an attacker you could trust right now at this level
Our League One team that beat Sheff Utd in the play offs is far better than our current championship side
Its a dire watch/ product and I doubt there was 11k today irrespective what the official attendance was announced at
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Post by ben1987 on Dec 10, 2023 0:34:52 GMT 1
Was willing the powers that be to let the hundred or so people in the NSL today to move into the Kilner Bank before kick off this afternoon. Would have been a massive PR win and generally felt like just the right thing to do. I went to Swansea last week and tried to get tickets when I arrived early at the JSS for the Southampton game. Ticket office said they couldn’t sell me them as I wanted two tickets for the game but only had one season card on me. Tried to buy online on the following Monday but for some reason wasn’t showing children’s tickets available for purchase (I was going with my daughter). Had to ring up Tuesday and when I ordered tickets was told there’d be a fee for booking on phone! Explained I had tried to purchase in person and online and eventually it was knocked off. After 4.5 hour delayed train ride I had to then wait in queue at Swansea ticket office to get tickets. Not a massive deal but more difficult than it needed to be. I know football clubs don’t owe supporters anything and no one forces people to go, but sometimes a bit of common sense wouldn’t go amiss. Erm
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Post by dezzly on Dec 10, 2023 0:39:11 GMT 1
Always has been and always will be a better striker than Ward. My gran is a better striker than Ward. Two year deal so his son got a nice commission. Unfortunately it also got him the sack. Come on now,you can’t go saying things that are true,goes against the narrative. On todays game I’m actually struggling to have a massive opinion on it.I’ll say this,I thought we looked(certainly first half) to play more a 3 at the back rather than 5.I thought there were some promising bits of actual passing and moving.I know that sounds so basic. I also thought playing the wing backs higher helped them to get down the sides(it was the same against Cardiff when we got punished and a few other games we didn’t quite as much) Personally if we can get a right full back I think 4 at the back in a 4-2-3-1 would suit better because we lack so much pace at the back which gets found out the amount we give the ball away when we try have it more. Second half iv no idea because it looked a lot worse but I don’t know how much the weather affected that. Tuesday is another game we can look to get a positive result.Important players building up minutes.
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Post by joek on Dec 10, 2023 0:42:57 GMT 1
Was willing the powers that be to let the hundred or so people in the NSL today to move into the Kilner Bank before kick off this afternoon. Would have been a massive PR win and generally felt like just the right thing to do. I went to Swansea last week and tried to get tickets when I arrived early at the JSS for the Southampton game. Ticket office said they couldn’t sell me them as I wanted two tickets for the game but only had one season card on me. Tried to buy online on the following Monday but for some reason wasn’t showing children’s tickets available for purchase (I was going with my daughter). Had to ring up Tuesday and when I ordered tickets was told there’d be a fee for booking on phone! Explained I had tried to purchase in person and online and eventually it was knocked off. After 4.5 hour delayed train ride I had to then wait in queue at Swansea ticket office to get tickets. Not a massive deal but more difficult than it needed to be. I know football clubs don’t owe supporters anything and no one forces people to go, but sometimes a bit of common sense wouldn’t go amiss. Erm They don’t.
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Post by deo1 on Dec 10, 2023 0:46:29 GMT 1
This squad isn’t near good enough - and that’s not the managers fault Kasumu kept cramping up. Koroma did as well. They needed subbing Ward and Wiles ran out of gas - to quote Moore. He did sub them with the best we have Everyone is rushed back from injury like Dela Hogg is 35. Lees is 33 but never get rotated as we don’t have any one to rotate them for! And we have just two days before we go again It’s a joke. I’ve never seen such a threadbare squad in 35 years of watching town - part in injuries but largely due to slack work in the summer We had no options from the bench. Moore literally didn’t have a striker and only Diarra as an attacker you could trust right now at this level Our League One team that beat Sheff Utd in the play offs is far better than our current championship side Its a dire watch/ product and I doubt there was 11k today irrespective what the official attendance was announced at Warnock got a song out of this lot and Moore came in to a team that was on the up. Since he’s come on we’ve gone backwards and look a shadow of the team from he end of last season and even the team that started to kick on this. Moore out
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Post by richhtfc on Dec 10, 2023 0:55:39 GMT 1
Just in case anybody hasn't already mentioned the last time we scored a penalty at home, it was 25th February 2020 in a 2-1 win vs, of all opponents, Bristol City. Four days later we'd see our final home game for nearly 4 months. 2023/24 - N/A 2022/23 - Missed: None. Scored: Rhodes (Luton away). 2021/22 - Missed: Ward (Bristol City away). Scored: Holmes (Fulham away) & Anjorin (Coventry away) 2020/21 - Missed: Bacuna (Wendies home), Campbell (Millwall home) & Sanogo (Cardiff home). Scored: None 2019/20 - Missed: Grant (Birmingham away). Scored: Grant (Derby home, QPR away, Blackburn away, Bristol City home, Forest away, Birmingham away) & Mounié (QPR home) In 2019/20 alone we were given 8 penalties. In the following 158 matches, we've been given 7 penalties. What a stat!, no one can say we aren’t long suffering
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Post by nicovaesen on Dec 10, 2023 1:00:24 GMT 1
Love how some supporters are giving Matt glennon pelters however, he has actually played the game at a professional level strikes me as weird that fans will ridicule him for his current profession. How many posters on here have played for town?
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 10, 2023 1:07:34 GMT 1
Love how some supporters are giving Matt glennon pelters however, he has actually played the game at a professional level strikes me as weird that fans will ridicule him for his current profession. How many posters on here have played for town? Agree. Away from the radio, he’s got an incredible insight into the game in general and of all things Town.
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Post by willo on Dec 10, 2023 1:09:08 GMT 1
Love how some supporters are giving Matt glennon pelters however, he has actually played the game at a professional level strikes me as weird that fans will ridicule him for his current profession. How many posters on here have played for town? He doesn’t rate Moore, something many agree with him on. I’d rather he spoke his mind rather than sit on the fence like O’Regan had a habit of doing. Even Oggy was (surprisingly) pushy in his post match interview about the substitutions. Like most, I can’t see Moore getting the boot anytime soon. Almost certain they’ll give him the January window even if he were to lose every game up to Jan 1st. Going to be a long, long winter for Town fans, better bite down.
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Post by boooothy on Dec 10, 2023 2:09:16 GMT 1
Not a game i’ll remember for very long
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Post by Big Ern on Dec 10, 2023 2:32:23 GMT 1
Those conditions never changed from the first half to the second. All I saw was a half arsed bunch of supposed footballers who looked like they couldn't wait to get off the football pitch against a side who every bit wanted to win that game. That was not good enough and blaming the conditions is a piss poor excuse. “ half arsed bunch” you’re talking absolute rubbish with that comment, some aren’t good enough, but there was no lack of effort, imo. Well call me what the fuck you want but I disagree. If you don't like it sugar then cry somewhere else.
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Post by townrwe on Dec 10, 2023 3:06:36 GMT 1
Alot taken in by the club narrative spouted on here by club officials.... its bollox.. the squad today was fine.
The excuses for shite performances have run out and so has Darren Moores time.
2 wins in 13.....that's dreadful. Why give Moore the chance and not the same chance to schofield?
I reckon Hoyle would have pulled the plug on this now and rightly so.
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Post by ambryboy on Dec 10, 2023 5:52:00 GMT 1
After watching that today and the previous 3 games where we’ve gone unbeaten I’ve seen no improvement in the team apart from not getting hammered by mediocre teams. In the car on the way home I listened to Moore and thought I’d been to a different game to him. He made it sound like we were unlucky to lose where the facts were we could’ve been down by 3 after 10 minutes. With him stood on the touchline and not knowing what to do to change it doesn’t bode well for town and the fans. If that doesn’t show how out of depth he is being our manager then god knows what will. Moore out. We lost? Oh bollox, dont tell canuckterrier as I got 5 points for the draw in the prediction league.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Dec 10, 2023 7:50:52 GMT 1
I thought Wiles had a good game, same with Koroma and Burgzorg.
We look alot better with Kasumu playing too, he was my MOTM.
This is a group of players that are clearly doing their best efforts but are so limited.
Games are tedious and its starting to effect the crowds. Numbers looked down in the stand and it was so quiet, not much for supporters to get behind.
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Post by duncfost01 on Dec 10, 2023 8:47:28 GMT 1
I guess we need to still be patient. DM has nothing to work with. Those that were knackered yesterday couldn’t come off as there was no one to replace them.
Headley - can be good but not champ ready yet.
Reg - awful
Wiles - played okay first half then he was knackered.
Hogg - 35 and can’t play every game but we have no choice. He will pick up an injury soon for sure.
Diarra - no way should he ever get on the pitch. He just isn’t ready.
Ward - not fit. Useless all game. No way has signing him been better than keeping Rhodes. All Jordan needed was a run of games. Joke.
Moore : why did he not squeeze them up the pitch ? Balls over the top were just running through to maxwell.
Positives : kasumu - let’s hope he stays fit. Again I worry about his injury record - playing a lot of games. Should have come off when he got cramp.
Maxwell - has taken his chance well. Nichols won’t on the bench for ever though.
and as we all know, this is an awful squad.
I predict now that we only sign a couple in January. Nagle and co will just say it’s hard to do business in January. Which is horseshit - if you spend some money you can do the deals. But he won’t.
Merry Xmas town fans.
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Post by Metch on Dec 10, 2023 8:54:46 GMT 1
Not a game i’ll remember for very long Unfortunately they've become the norm. We are a tough watch.
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