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Post by Porrohman on Dec 10, 2023 12:16:04 GMT 1
The game/tactics were summed up for me when in the second half burgzorg broke with the ball in the middle of the park and there was literally no one running to support him. There was nothing. They just held their defensive positions waiting for the inevitable losing the ball. At home against brizzle when the game was there for the taking is criminal. They probably knew he wouldn't pass it to them anyway. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Dec 10, 2023 12:24:05 GMT 1
The game/tactics were summed up for me when in the second half burgzorg broke with the ball in the middle of the park and there was literally no one running to support him. There was nothing. They just held their defensive positions waiting for the inevitable losing the ball. At home against brizzle when the game was there for the taking is criminal. I've seen it mentioned in several games that"the game was there for the taking" The other team is generally better than us so I don't think any game is there for the taking Due to our lack of bench options and overplaying of the players who started, we were limping home. It was clear with 20+ minutes to go that we collectively didn't have enough in the tank to try and push for the win. Moore knew that and made subs accordingly. More on the bench- I think even though we named a full 9 subs it's pretty clear that Moore only considered 4 of them as genuine options. Iorpenda, Ayina, and Stone were just to make up the numbers. Edwards hasn't played since his Leeds catastrophe, and we're at the point that Moore would rather claim that REG is a natural wing back than sub Edwards on. I can't see Austerfield ever coming on for more than 5 minute spells at the end. Which leaves Diarra, REG, Nakayama, and Nicholls. The two of those that he did put on were both poor by their standards which are debatably not championship level anyway, so it's a wonder we didn't lose. |
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Dec 10, 2023 12:46:34 GMT 1
Positive thinking. It's not a good watch but we are at least grinding out results You realise if you draw every game you will probably get relegated.. This isn't true though. Looking back at the last few seasons, 46 points would be enough to survive in all but 2019/20. If we draw every remaining game we'll get 47 points. |
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Post by sabailand on Dec 10, 2023 12:55:44 GMT 1
Its obviously never good to concede but we dont half concede goals at bad times.
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Post by waggers on Dec 10, 2023 12:56:54 GMT 1
I think Moore's plan is to draw his way to safety, won't work man. QPR have got their tails up, even a win for Wednesday today. This is a depressing watch. Its not his plan, its what he's forced to do. It's clear that after Wateford and Hull, we have gradually been adding more forward movement in to the play, but it's not DMs fault has got a squad of players who either can't pass it 10yds without losing it or can't see the pass to play when they are running with it. I know they're not high level ball players but I disagree, plenty could still get better football out of this lot. It is atrocious to watch the only people benefiting are folk wacking us into draw accumulators. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Dec 10, 2023 12:58:40 GMT 1
Yesterday’s highlights.
Headley needs to explain what the heck he was doing in those first few Bristol attacks. He’s totally sleeping, not aware of players running behind him or in front of him on one occasion ( Bristol player sprints by him and he’s just ambling back, a rebound fell to the Bristol player and JH is miles from him because he couldn’t be bothered tracking back).
Re the pen (about 6:40 in). Their guys arm was up, Del tries flicking it by him, lino looking straight on said nothing, ref looking side on should’ve seen the ball knocked his hand backwards slightly.
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Post by runner76 on Dec 10, 2023 13:18:00 GMT 1
Its not his plan, its what he's forced to do. It's clear that after Wateford and Hull, we have gradually been adding more forward movement in to the play, but it's not DMs fault has got a squad of players who either can't pass it 10yds without losing it or can't see the pass to play when they are running with it. I know they're not high level ball players but I disagree, plenty could still get better football out of this lot. It is atrocious to watch the only people benefiting are folk wacking us into draw accumulators. Plenty? Not sure about that…..this squad is not good enough. |
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Post by rockwall on Dec 10, 2023 13:38:39 GMT 1
Yesterday’s highlights. Headley needs to explain what the heck he was doing in those first few Bristol attacks. He’s totally sleeping, not aware of players running behind him or in front of him on one occasion ( Bristol player sprints by him and he’s just ambling back, a rebound fell to the Bristol player and JH is miles from him because he couldn’t be bothered tracking back). Re the pen (about 6:40 in). Their guys arm was up, Del tries flicking it by him, lino looking straight on said nothing, ref looking side on should’ve seen the ball knocked his hand backwards slightly. Fuck me, looks even worse on the highlights the handball. Arm not in a natural position as forearm is up, not down. Hands are up with fingers pointing up, ball hit hand. How the chuff has that been missed?? If that is one of the teams at the top like Leicester or Leeds, that's given without hesitation. |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 10, 2023 13:55:49 GMT 1
Yesterday’s highlights. Headley needs to explain what the heck he was doing in those first few Bristol attacks. He’s totally sleeping, not aware of players running behind him or in front of him on one occasion ( Bristol player sprints by him and he’s just ambling back, a rebound fell to the Bristol player and JH is miles from him because he couldn’t be bothered tracking back). Re the pen (about 6:40 in). Their guys arm was up, Del tries flicking it by him, lino looking straight on said nothing, ref looking side on should’ve seen the ball knocked his hand backwards slightly. Fuck me, looks even worse on the highlights the handball. Arm not in a natural position as forearm is up, not down. Hands are up with fingers pointing up, ball hit hand. How the chuff has that been missed?? If that is one of the teams at the top like Leicester or Leeds, that's given without hesitation. Right in front of us. Blatant. Ref and linesman down that side also missed a blatant foul on Diarra where Pring cowardly put him into the advertising hoardings. |
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Post by alfredsterrier on Dec 10, 2023 13:59:54 GMT 1
If the players on the bench are not considered good enough to come on with their energy for 10-15 minutes then this club is in an even worse state than I thought.
What is the point of the b team if they are not going to get a game.
It would be better to not even name them in the bench.
What must it do to their confidence?
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Post by detox on Dec 10, 2023 14:26:05 GMT 1
Its obviously never good to concede but we dont half concede goals at bad times. So true...last 6 games games . goals conceded in minute -
45 92 45 40 94 46
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Post by detox on Dec 10, 2023 14:43:07 GMT 1
It's pretty obvious DM has decided we'll just tread water until january - just pick up points,keep it tight, not over commit and grind out a point game after game. To be fair..1 defeat in 6..only conceding the odd goal,7 points gained against a background of the weakest squad of Town players we're seen for some while..it's working., for now.
No it's not pretty, and yes QPR will likely push us into the drop zone by next Sunday..but it's vital we don't lose too much ground on the clubs just above us..this of course all assumes that KN intends to sanction a bundle of new recruits in early January and that'll deliver us a more combatative side that can try and win games for a change..
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Post by royrace on Dec 10, 2023 14:59:10 GMT 1
Specsavers for Big Ern beckons... Difference between effort and ability. Are they good enough.. absolutely not. Do they put effort in? Absolutely, it is clear they are playing for the manager and I haven't seen any lack of effort by Aby player. In that second half I saw players backing out of challenges and an almost lethargic energy to the team. City are no great shakes yet they remained committed in the tackle and kept pushing until the end. That not ability it's effort. Maybe they don't like playing in the wind and rain I don't know but there was certainly something lacking beyond ability yesterday True, I noticed it too. Not a lack of effort but certainly a lack of commitment and no interest in challenging for the 50 50s. Why that is I've no idea but they looked more committed than us and won most of the 50 50s. I dare say it wouldn't have happened with NW and Ronnie screaming at them from the sidelines but I don't know. I'm guessing the officials got away with it too. Their performance was embarrassing, must make it easier to be shit with a passive statuesque coach and half empty stadium. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Dec 10, 2023 15:00:37 GMT 1
I don’t think we give credit to the missing players, most , ie Rudoni, Kasumu,Thomas, Jones, Ruffels are good at running with the ball, whilst also retaining the ball, this not only gets it up the pitch but also relieves pressure on the midfield and defence , allowing us to push further up the pitch. Just my opinion.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Dec 10, 2023 15:05:35 GMT 1
I don’t think we give credit to the missing players, most , ie Rudoni, Katsuma, Thomas, Jones, Ruffells are good at running with the ball, whilst also retaining the ball, this not only gets it up the pitch but also relieves pressure on the midfield and defence , allowing us to push further up the pitch. Just my opinion. Is Katsuma related to that lad called Satsuma, plays for the Tangerines? |
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Post by htfcterry on Dec 10, 2023 15:07:13 GMT 1
I don’t think we give credit to the missing players, most , ie Rudoni, Katsuma, Thomas, Jones, Ruffells are good at running with the ball, whilst also retaining the ball, this not only gets it up the pitch but also relieves pressure on the midfield and defence , allowing us to push further up the pitch. Just my opinion. Katsuma sounds like a Japanese restaurant and Jones has hardly played for us. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Dec 10, 2023 15:09:38 GMT 1
I don’t think we give credit to the missing players, most , ie Rudoni, Katsuma, Thomas, Jones, Ruffells are good at running with the ball, whilst also retaining the ball, this not only gets it up the pitch but also relieves pressure on the midfield and defence , allowing us to push further up the pitch. Just my opinion. Katsuma sounds like a Japanese restaurant and Jones has hardly played for us. And Ruffells has never played for us either. |
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Post by htfcterry on Dec 10, 2023 15:13:33 GMT 1
Katsuma sounds like a Japanese restaurant and Jones has hardly played for us. And Ruffells has never played for us either. We shouldn’t give credit to the missing players too, according to his post 🤣 |
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Post by specialun on Dec 10, 2023 15:16:31 GMT 1
I had some sympathy with Moore taking Wiles / Ward off - last thing we need is more injuries. Wiles had been down & 3 games in week
And with brining in REG on but had to laugh when he said he’s a natural right wing back. I think the shape was the same but he was a defensive on the right drift into centre - never saw wing back
Nakayama should have come on for Headley who had a poor game and looked knackered second half
But in general subs are largely pre arranged not proactive - but got to see what happens when more back I guess
More concerning was the gap between headley and lees / left side through ball wasn’t dealt with on field or off field who have to step in there - happened 4 times. Doesn’t need a sub to deal with that
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Post by ACW on Dec 10, 2023 15:18:52 GMT 1
Alot taken in by the club narrative spouted on here by club officials.... its bollox.. the squad today was fine. The excuses for shite performances have run out and so has Darren Moores time. 2 wins in 13.....that's dreadful. Why give Moore the chance and not the same chance to schofield? I reckon Hoyle would have pulled the plug on this now and rightly so. "The squad today was fine" Did you really type that? You think the squad is fine? I know you have an agenda against Moore, and want to blame everything on him, but to suggest the squad was fine is staggering. |
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Post by ACW on Dec 10, 2023 15:20:41 GMT 1
Alan Nixon on Patreon saying that we are ready to cash in on Diarra. I personally won't be upset to see him go. Hasn't developed at all at Town. He's the same head down merchant he was when he joined. |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 10, 2023 15:21:30 GMT 1
Alot taken in by the club narrative spouted on here by club officials.... its bollox.. the squad today was fine. The excuses for shite performances have run out and so has Darren Moores time. 2 wins in 13.....that's dreadful. Why give Moore the chance and not the same chance to schofield? I reckon Hoyle would have pulled the plug on this now and rightly so. "The squad today was fine" Did you really type that? You think the squad is fine? I know you have an agenda against Moore, and what to blame everything on him, but to suggest the squad was fine is staggering. The squad hasn't been fine for a long while, but there didn't seem to be too much concern at the start of the season. |
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Post by specialun on Dec 10, 2023 15:23:07 GMT 1
Alan Nixon on Patreon saying that we are ready to cash in on Diarra. I personally won't be upset to see him go. Hasn't developed at all at Town. He's the same head down merchant he was when he joined. I ageee re development / head down but for me he has the attributes, huge shame we haven’t been able to develop him - started to see signs under Warnock |
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Post by ACW on Dec 10, 2023 15:24:44 GMT 1
I don’t think we give credit to the missing players, most , ie Rudoni, Katsuma, Thomas, Jones, Ruffells are good at running with the ball, whilst also retaining the ball, this not only gets it up the pitch but also relieves pressure on the midfield and defence , allowing us to push further up the pitch. Just my opinion. Ruffels is good at retaining the ball? Are you serious? His passing is ridiculously poor for a Championship player. |
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Post by ACW on Dec 10, 2023 15:29:26 GMT 1
"The squad today was fine" Did you really type that? You think the squad is fine? I know you have an agenda against Moore, and what to blame everything on him, but to suggest the squad was fine is staggering. The squad hasn't been fine for a long while, but there didn't seem to be too much concern at the start of the season. Probably due to the fact Warnock was still in charge. |
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 10, 2023 15:33:24 GMT 1
Alan Nixon on Patreon saying that we are ready to cash in on Diarra. I personally won't be upset to see him go. Hasn't developed at all at Town. He's the same head down merchant he was when he joined. Drives me insane. Loads of ability but just won’t get him head up. Burgzorg the same. What the chuff do they do in training all week long??? |
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Post by midlander on Dec 10, 2023 15:41:53 GMT 1
The game/tactics were summed up for me when in the second half burgzorg broke with the ball in the middle of the park and there was literally no one running to support him. There was nothing. They just held their defensive positions waiting for the inevitable losing the ball. At home against brizzle when the game was there for the taking is criminal. They probably knew he wouldn't pass it to them anyway. Wouldn't disagree with you, although I thought he released it a lot more yesterday to be fair. |
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Post by waggers on Dec 10, 2023 15:42:50 GMT 1
I know they're not high level ball players but I disagree, plenty could still get better football out of this lot. It is atrocious to watch the only people benefiting are folk wacking us into draw accumulators. Plenty? Not sure about that…..this squad is not good enough. This argument was had when Moore was initially appointed so I won't go over old ground. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Dec 10, 2023 16:26:22 GMT 1
And Ruffells has never played for us either. We shouldn’t give credit to the missing players too, according to his post 🤣 If you read, it actually says “ we don’t give credit to the missing players “ , but don’t let fact get in the way. |
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Post by htfcterry on Dec 10, 2023 16:35:18 GMT 1
We shouldn’t give credit to the missing players too, according to his post 🤣 If you read, it actually says “ we don’t give credit to the missing players “ , but don’t let fact get in the way. Yes I know, I took it out of context to match the rest of the illiterate drivel you spouted in your post. |
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