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Post by royrace on Dec 10, 2023 23:45:56 GMT 1
Yup. If Kev opens the chequebook and provides the best team in the league, we stand a chance of going up. If that's the 3 year plan, then what a ride it will be..... sadly. I think the plan is to do it on a budget, so the first piece of the puzzle is missing. I think he’s going to splash the cash. New owner, new era. Prepare to be very disappointed  |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 10, 2023 23:48:53 GMT 1
Right in front of us. Blatant. Ref and linesman down that side also missed a blatant foul on Diarra where Pring cowardly put him into the advertising hoardings. That looked like a crap challenge even from where I was sat. I’m presuming Pring just went for the man and wasn’t interested in the ball? Correct. Cowardly little twat. It angered me incredibly as he'd done it to a young lad rather than someone his own age. |
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Post by royrace on Dec 10, 2023 23:54:09 GMT 1
Moore has no track record of getting more out of the team than his budget... in fact he's performed slightly worse than his budget at all his previous clubs.... that will leave us relegated. Unless we give him a huge chequebook and buy top championship performers that Darren can cheerlead to victory. Just because that is your opinion, doesn't make it true. It is true IMO and the reason I didn't want him here as manager. Awful appointment and no surprise we're seeing turgid, shyte football with this poor squad. All extremely predictable. If Kevin provides him with a mid table squad we might just avoid relegation. That's as good as it gets. |
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Post by dezzly on Dec 11, 2023 7:07:16 GMT 1
Or, get him the best players and we get promoted?….. Yup. If Kev opens the chequebook and provides the best team in the league, we stand a chance of going up. If that's the 3 year plan, then what a ride it will be..... sadly. I think the plan is to do it on a budget, so the first piece of the puzzle is missing. Suppose it depends what the actual plan is. It was Warnock who dropped the 3 year to the prem thing in on his final presser,similar to his comment about squad should be looking at playoffs. If the plan is prem in that space of time then absolutely some serious money needs to be spent. If it is not the plan and they’re looking longer term than that to get there,or try get there,then it could be a slow build or possibly a slow death. Suppose there is an argument that right now he’s drawing a lot of games,with a few additions could he turn a fair percentage of those into wins? Tbh no matter how you come at it and whatever side of the fence you sit,January just looks massive.I don’t usually like to put so much on a transfer window,and if has been said I’d previous ones in the last 4/5 years,but this one seems particularly important.Not least because it will give a more solid impression of where the new owner wants to go. |
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Post by dugnet on Dec 11, 2023 9:10:32 GMT 1
Yup. If Kev opens the chequebook and provides the best team in the league, we stand a chance of going up. If that's the 3 year plan, then what a ride it will be..... sadly. I think the plan is to do it on a budget, so the first piece of the puzzle is missing. Suppose it depends what the actual plan is. It was Warnock who dropped the 3 year to the prem thing in on his final presser,similar to his comment about squad should be looking at playoffs. If the plan is prem in that space of time then absolutely some serious money needs to be spent. If it is not the plan and they’re looking longer term than that to get there,or try get there,then it could be a slow build or possibly a slow death. Suppose there is an argument that right now he’s drawing a lot of games,with a few additions could he turn a fair percentage of those into wins? Tbh no matter how you come at it and whatever side of the fence you sit,January just looks massive.I don’t usually like to put so much on a transfer window,and if has been said I’d previous ones in the last 4/5 years,but this one seems particularly important.Not least because it will give a more solid impression of where the new owner wants to go. It was Jake Edwards who made the statement about "challenging for the Premier League " in 3 years. Everything else you say is correct, January is critical for our chances of staying up this season and how Mr Nagle is perceived. We all know the squad isn't good enough as it stands so we need better. If, and I'm hopeful we will do something relatively significant, the pressure is on DM to get them playing and get results. There's a lot riding on January. |
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Post by dezzly on Dec 11, 2023 9:16:29 GMT 1
Suppose it depends what the actual plan is. It was Warnock who dropped the 3 year to the prem thing in on his final presser,similar to his comment about squad should be looking at playoffs. If the plan is prem in that space of time then absolutely some serious money needs to be spent. If it is not the plan and they’re looking longer term than that to get there,or try get there,then it could be a slow build or possibly a slow death. Suppose there is an argument that right now he’s drawing a lot of games,with a few additions could he turn a fair percentage of those into wins? Tbh no matter how you come at it and whatever side of the fence you sit,January just looks massive.I don’t usually like to put so much on a transfer window,and if has been said I’d previous ones in the last 4/5 years,but this one seems particularly important.Not least because it will give a more solid impression of where the new owner wants to go. It was Jake Edwards who made the statement about "challenging for the Premier League " in 3 years. Everything else you say is correct, January is critical for our chances of staying up this season and how Mr Nagle is perceived. We all know the squad isn't good enough as it stands so we need better. If, and I'm hopeful we will do something relatively significant, the pressure is on DM to get them playing and get results. There's a lot riding on January. I Maybe wrong but I think Edward only said challenging after Warnock had pulled the 3 years thing out.I don’t think edwards was outwardly putting a time scale on it.Nor do I think he would have mentioned it at all. Yes pressure definitely on Moore.in the short term before the window the next two games could massively increase or relieve that pressure.3 points tomorrow and millwall play Leicester away Wednesday.potentially 3 point gap before we go to Millwall on Saturday.conversely we could be in the bottom 3 3 points adrift by end of play Saturday. |
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Post by townrwe on Dec 11, 2023 9:23:09 GMT 1
Yup. If Kev opens the chequebook and provides the best team in the league, we stand a chance of going up. If that's the 3 year plan, then what a ride it will be..... sadly. I think the plan is to do it on a budget, so the first piece of the puzzle is missing. Suppose it depends what the actual plan is. It was Warnock who dropped the 3 year to the prem thing in on his final presser,similar to his comment about squad should be looking at playoffs. If the plan is prem in that space of time then absolutely some serious money needs to be spent. If it is not the plan and they’re looking longer term than that to get there,or try get there,then it could be a slow build or possibly a slow death. Suppose there is an argument that right now he’s drawing a lot of games,with a few additions could he turn a fair percentage of those into wins? Tbh no matter how you come at it and whatever side of the fence you sit,January just looks massive.I don’t usually like to put so much on a transfer window,and if has been said I’d previous ones in the last 4/5 years,but this one seems particularly important.Not least because it will give a more solid impression of where the new owner wants to go. It will also show their faith in Darren.. 4/5 quality additions and they give him a good chance of avoiding the drop. Anything less and they are throwing him under the bus. |
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Post by dugnet on Dec 11, 2023 9:32:49 GMT 1
It was Jake Edwards who made the statement about "challenging for the Premier League " in 3 years. Everything else you say is correct, January is critical for our chances of staying up this season and how Mr Nagle is perceived. We all know the squad isn't good enough as it stands so we need better. If, and I'm hopeful we will do something relatively significant, the pressure is on DM to get them playing and get results. There's a lot riding on January. I Maybe wrong but I think Edward only said challenging after Warnock had pulled the 3 years thing out.I don’t think edwards was outwardly putting a time scale on it.Nor do I think he would have mentioned it at all. Yes pressure definitely on Moore.in the short term before the window the next two games could massively increase or relieve that pressure.3 points tomorrow and millwall play Leicester away Wednesday.potentially 3 point gap before we go to Millwall on Saturday.conversely we could be in the bottom 3 3 points adrift by end of play Saturday. I attended on Saturday and thought it was a game in which there were 3 key factors: 1 - DM doesn't trust our lack of pace at the back, and across midfield too, to play further up the pitch. As a result our front players are isolated. 2 - We are currently solely reliant on creating, and taking, breakaway chances like that on Saturday. We don't carry a sustained threat in games. Had we more control in the middle of the park and someone holding the ball up better at 9 it would help greatly. 3 - The conditions were appalling in the 2nd half and with our limitations playing into that driving rain looked more lugubrious than ever. I did think it was Edwards, perhaps he was painted into a corner by NW but he certainly confirmed the target. |
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Post by dugnet on Dec 11, 2023 9:33:54 GMT 1
Suppose it depends what the actual plan is. It was Warnock who dropped the 3 year to the prem thing in on his final presser,similar to his comment about squad should be looking at playoffs. If the plan is prem in that space of time then absolutely some serious money needs to be spent. If it is not the plan and they’re looking longer term than that to get there,or try get there,then it could be a slow build or possibly a slow death. Suppose there is an argument that right now he’s drawing a lot of games,with a few additions could he turn a fair percentage of those into wins? Tbh no matter how you come at it and whatever side of the fence you sit,January just looks massive.I don’t usually like to put so much on a transfer window,and if has been said I’d previous ones in the last 4/5 years,but this one seems particularly important.Not least because it will give a more solid impression of where the new owner wants to go. It will also show their faith in Darren.. 4/5 quality additions and they give him a good chance of avoiding the drop. Anything less and they are throwing him under the bus. For all the grief you get I don't think that is an unfair or unreasonable observation. |
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Post by runner76 on Dec 11, 2023 9:44:12 GMT 1
I think he’s going to splash the cash. New owner, new era. Prepare to be very disappointed Nope. I’m not prepared or willing to be disappointed !!!!! Had enough of that in recent years. It’s a new owner, a new setup and a new Town. The current shite is not the ownership or Moore’s fault. I don’t think they all help themselves, but I’m putting faith in them clicking in January. Don’t expect a miracle but I do expect at least THREE quality players to come in, likely more. Moore will be able to adapt the squad then more to what he needs. It will still be bumpy but enough to see us keep heads above water until a major Summer restructure. UTFT |
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Post by dezzly on Dec 11, 2023 9:44:30 GMT 1
I Maybe wrong but I think Edward only said challenging after Warnock had pulled the 3 years thing out.I don’t think edwards was outwardly putting a time scale on it.Nor do I think he would have mentioned it at all. Yes pressure definitely on Moore.in the short term before the window the next two games could massively increase or relieve that pressure.3 points tomorrow and millwall play Leicester away Wednesday.potentially 3 point gap before we go to Millwall on Saturday.conversely we could be in the bottom 3 3 points adrift by end of play Saturday. I attended on Saturday and thought it was a game in which there were 3 key factors: 1 - DM doesn't trust our lack of pace at the back, and across midfield too, to play further up the pitch. As a result our front players are isolated. 2 - We are currently solely reliant on creating, and taking, breakaway chances like that on Saturday. We don't carry a sustained threat in games. Had we more control in the middle of the park and someone holding the ball up better at 9 it would help greatly. 3 - The conditions were appalling in the 2nd half and with our limitations playing into that driving rain looked more lugubrious than ever. I did think it was Edwards, perhaps he was painted into a corner by NW but he certainly confirmed the target. Bob on with the assessment of Saturday.point no1 about the lack of pace is an issue.we can’t play higher because we give the ball away far too often.the fact we can’t keep possession basically means you have to sit deep if no pace at the back or you end up with Birmingham,Cardiff and Leeds games. Playing deep at least covers for the lack of pace,without better players at keeping possession we can’t address that issue really |
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Post by goodbet on Dec 11, 2023 9:55:22 GMT 1
It was Jake Edwards who made the statement about "challenging for the Premier League " in 3 years. Everything else you say is correct, January is critical for our chances of staying up this season and how Mr Nagle is perceived. We all know the squad isn't good enough as it stands so we need better. If, and I'm hopeful we will do something relatively significant, the pressure is on DM to get them playing and get results. There's a lot riding on January. but I think Edward only said challenging after Warnock had pulled the 3 years thing out.I don’t think edwards was outwardly putting a time scale on it.Nor do I think he would have mentioned it at all. Yes pressure definitely on Moore.in the short term before the window the next two games could massively increase or relieve that pressure.3 points tomorrow and millwall play Leicester away Wednesday.potentially 3 point gap before we go to Millwall on Saturday.conversely we could be in the bottom 3 3 points adrift by end of play Saturday. You are wrong on this point. |
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Post by dezzly on Dec 11, 2023 9:55:50 GMT 1
I Maybe wrong but I think Edward only said challenging after Warnock had pulled the 3 years thing out.I don’t think edwards was outwardly putting a time scale on it.Nor do I think he would have mentioned it at all. Yes pressure definitely on Moore.in the short term before the window the next two games could massively increase or relieve that pressure.3 points tomorrow and millwall play Leicester away Wednesday.potentially 3 point gap before we go to Millwall on Saturday.conversely we could be in the bottom 3 3 points adrift by end of play Saturday. You are wrong on this point. Fair does. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 11, 2023 10:16:33 GMT 1
It will also show their faith in Darren.. 4/5 quality additions and they give him a good chance of avoiding the drop. Anything less and they are throwing him under the bus. For all the grief you get I don't think that is an unfair or unreasonable observation. Id say its pretty unreasonable myself as it suggests without these 4 or 5 players we're doomed to go down.. But without these 4 or 5 players then with just one more point there'd be 5 clubs below us at this stage and another 2 or 3 within a win of catching. So I think to say without these 4 or 5 signings we have no chance ignores that there are quite a few clubs worse or at least as poor as we are. there will be pessimists at 6 or 7 clubs convinced they are doomed to go down just now and they wont all be right. I think we will strengthen significantly in January so hopefully they'll get the right players in... doubt many at the bottom end will strengthen much if at all. ..And we'll get Rudoni back whos been a big miss for us. In the meantime its certainly not pretty but weve become tough to beat ( 4 games now ) which we certainly weren't before that. |
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Post by dugnet on Dec 11, 2023 12:28:45 GMT 1
For all the grief you get I don't think that is an unfair or unreasonable observation. Id say its pretty unreasonable myself as it suggests without these 4 or 5 players we're doomed to go down.. But without these 4 or 5 players then with just one more point there'd be 5 clubs below us at this stage and another 2 or 3 within a win of catching. So I think to say without these 4 or 5 signings we have no chance ignores that there are quite a few clubs worse or at least as poor as we are. there will be pessimists at 6 or 7 clubs convinced they are doomed to go down just now and they wont all be right. I think we will strengthen significantly in January so hopefully they'll get the right players in... doubt many at the bottom end will strengthen much if at all. ..And we'll get Rudoni back whos been a big miss for us. In the meantime its certainly not pretty but weve become tough to beat ( 4 games now ) which we certainly weren't before that. I wouldn't have relegation as being the benchmark of DM's success. At the moment the players are playing for him and our shape, from what I have seen, in the past 4 games is greatly improved. My take on the comment on DM "being thrown under the bus" was about enabling/allowing him to show how good a manager/coach he can be. On relegation to win games you need to score goals and carry a threat. As it currently stands we don't do this enough. That is why we need better players. DM can only pretty much do what he is at the moment, although Rudoni's return adds a better option, and if he doesn't get supported he will have every right to feeling a bit let down. |
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Post by space hardware on Dec 11, 2023 12:36:00 GMT 1
For all the grief you get I don't think that is an unfair or unreasonable observation. Id say its pretty unreasonable myself as it suggests without these 4 or 5 players we're doomed to go down.. But without these 4 or 5 players then with just one more point there'd be 5 clubs below us at this stage and another 2 or 3 within a win of catching. So I think to say without these 4 or 5 signings we have no chance ignores that there are quite a few clubs worse or at least as poor as we are. there will be pessimists at 6 or 7 clubs convinced they are doomed to go down just now and they wont all be right. I think we will strengthen significantly in January so hopefully they'll get the right players in... doubt many at the bottom end will strengthen much if at all. ..And we'll get Rudoni back whos been a big miss for us. In the meantime its certainly not pretty but weve become tough to beat ( 4 games now ) which we certainly weren't before that. Unbeaten, yes, but someone posted on here that in those 4 games the opposition have had 80 shots, but we've only conceded 4 goals. I don't think stats like that are sustainable, especially when we sit so deep and carry so little goal threat. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 11, 2023 12:50:10 GMT 1
Id say its pretty unreasonable myself as it suggests without these 4 or 5 players we're doomed to go down.. But without these 4 or 5 players then with just one more point there'd be 5 clubs below us at this stage and another 2 or 3 within a win of catching. So I think to say without these 4 or 5 signings we have no chance ignores that there are quite a few clubs worse or at least as poor as we are. there will be pessimists at 6 or 7 clubs convinced they are doomed to go down just now and they wont all be right. I think we will strengthen significantly in January so hopefully they'll get the right players in... doubt many at the bottom end will strengthen much if at all. ..And we'll get Rudoni back whos been a big miss for us. In the meantime its certainly not pretty but weve become tough to beat ( 4 games now ) which we certainly weren't before that. Unbeaten, yes, but someone posted on here that in those 4 games the opposition have had 80 shots, but we've only conceded 4 goals. I don't think stats like that are sustainable, especially when we sit so deep and carry so little goal threat. Possibly, or it s case that our defence is pretty solid and the opposition are resorting to shots that are unlikely to go in. Certainly say that was the case at Sunderland where they had a lot of shots but I can't actually remember our keeper having to make any saves of note. We certainly need to carry more goal threat and Id be amazed if we dont bring in at least 1 striker next month. Huge failing in the summer really to not do it then..for whatever reason. but my point really is that the idea we'd be definitely 'doomed' even if we had to carry on with what weve got doesnt hold much water when there are plenty of other cubs doing worse or barely any better....and I doubt theyve had the injury issues weve had to this point. I think Moore is having to be very pragmatic at the moment..eking out as many points as he can until we can strengthen in January..and to be fair in the last 4 games our 6 points is actually mid table form if taken over the course of a season. |
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Post by goodbet on Dec 11, 2023 12:54:30 GMT 1
For all the grief you get I don't think that is an unfair or unreasonable observation. Id say its pretty unreasonable myself as it suggests without these 4 or 5 players we're doomed to go down.. But without these 4 or 5 players then with just one more point there'd be 5 clubs below us at this stage and another 2 or 3 within a win of catching. So I think to say without these 4 or 5 signings we have no chance ignores that there are quite a few clubs worse or at least as poor as we are. there will be pessimists at 6 or 7 clubs convinced they are doomed to go down just now and they wont all be right. I think we will strengthen significantly in January so hopefully they'll get the right players in... doubt many at the bottom end will strengthen much if at all. ..And we'll get Rudoni back whos been a big miss for us. In the meantime its certainly not pretty but weve become tough to beat ( 4 games now ) which we certainly weren't before that. It may be unreasonable, but it is looking a distinct possibility that we are heading in the wrong direction at the moment. I just checked, there are only 3 clubs below us at the moment and one of those look like they will overtake us shortly. I have not seen the other clubs as much as I have seen Town this season but I have not seen any team play as negatively as we do. I also believe that because of our poor transfer policy since we were relegated there is probably only one other squad as weak as we are. There was a belief at the start of the season on this forum, that we would be OK this season in spite of the summer window because we had Warnock. Without him the feeling on this site has changed, not just because he has gone, but because of how we have played since he left. We are tough to beat, but what side isn't when they play 5-4-1 and seem to be stuck in keep what we have mode even at home. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Dec 11, 2023 22:24:01 GMT 1
The squad hasn't been fine for a long while, but there didn't seem to be too much concern at the start of the season. Probably due to the fact Warnock was still in charge. And the fact that they were all fit. Nobody was thinking it woukd be an achievement to fill the subs bench back in September. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Dec 11, 2023 22:29:49 GMT 1
He’s still only 20 and realistically only played a handful of matches. It’s a pitty he got injured in pre-season last season as he was due to go on a season long loan in league 1. That would have potentially done him the world of good. He’s not Championship ready as yet unfortunately. He seems to have lost his confidence since DM came in. Would be a real pity to see him leave as I still think he’ll develop into a very very good player. We’ve given a lot of youngsters much more time to develop. It would seem a real shame to lose Bilokapic, Camara and Diarra within 6 months He may develop into a decent player, but at the moment he lacks basic awareness. He can't carry on trying to beat everyone infront of him. Professional football is not the school yard or the playing fields. If he hasn't learnt to get his head up and pass to those in better positions at 20, when is that going to happen? My main concern though is that he hasn't improved at Town. Either the coaching is poor, ot he is not listening. Either way, he's rarely effective for Town because he just runs and looses the ball almost every time he gets it. Players like Diarra really need to be coming on for 30 mins when winning 2-0 or on a game we look comfortable but struggling to break down a defensive opposition. So they can build confidence. Coming on when under the cosh and/or losing heavily doesn't really help them develop IMO. |
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Post by ACW on Dec 12, 2023 0:22:37 GMT 1
He may develop into a decent player, but at the moment he lacks basic awareness. He can't carry on trying to beat everyone infront of him. Professional football is not the school yard or the playing fields. If he hasn't learnt to get his head up and pass to those in better positions at 20, when is that going to happen? My main concern though is that he hasn't improved at Town. Either the coaching is poor, ot he is not listening. Either way, he's rarely effective for Town because he just runs and looses the ball almost every time he gets it. Players like Diarra really need to be coming on for 30 mins when winning 2-0 or on a game we look comfortable but struggling to break down a defensive opposition. So they can build confidence. Coming on when under the cosh and/or losing heavily doesn't really help them develop IMO. I don't disagree, but I would argue if he wants to become a successful player, he needs to learn go get his head up and realise when he should pass, whatever the circumstances in which he plays. That's basic awareness. He won't have much of a career if he continues to just run with the ball until someone takes it off him. |
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Post by rab030 on Dec 12, 2023 13:43:52 GMT 1
Love how some supporters are giving Matt glennon pelters however, he has actually played the game at a professional level strikes me as weird that fans will ridicule him for his current profession. How many posters on here have played for town? DM played at a higher level and has also managed in the PL.... However, I'm pretty sure he won't make a great pundit/commentator? Playing/Managing v Media Skills are not related in any way shape or form? |
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Post by 28901 on Dec 12, 2023 17:31:22 GMT 1
Someone needs to ask the players why they didn’t shove that last minute FK into the mixer? A bit of a daft decision when you consider there’s a bloody scoreboard showing them the added time.
At least the Ref let us feck that one up, unlike that Ref the other week who didn’t let us take our one and only corner of the game.Actually, he did. The ref the other week was correct. Only thing you add time for is penalties. We were in the 8th minute of 6 added on by the time we took that free-kick, which we shouldn't have been allowed to as time was up. Doesn't take away from our lack of common sense, but there you have it. Had we pumped it in and by some miracle scored, Bristol City would have been rightly furious. Not to say the officials had a good game. They certainly didn't. Players making rugby knock-ons in the box aside, the bookings given were ludicrous, when you consider what wasn't given. How their number 8 wasn't booked at all for that blatant hold on Kasumu, or the slide, goodness only knows. The inconsistency throughout was utterly infuriating. To say nothing of the assistant referee in stoppage time and his sudden realisation that he had a flag he should have used about an hour ago, when the lad was played in in the first place. Christ. Frustrating yesterday, to say the least. Bright on the counter in the first half, but lacking in the second. Unlucky to not get a penalty (repeat ad nauseum) but then we're not a lucky team. No doubt in my mind it's given in the other box. Moore's hands very much tied by the lack of personnel, so the changes were very much forced by who was available, plus another busy week. Telling that REG got the nod over Edwards when we brought a right-back on. Also telling that the solution was to push Koroma forward when Ward went off, as we just didn't have anyone else. Plus side: Kasumu was very good. Finally looking the player we were promised, with energy and drive. Sensational desire for the goal. Its a minimum of 6 minutes so the ref can add as much on as he deems necessary. When Wednesday equalized v Peterborough in the play off semi, for example, they were nearly 2 minutes over the added on time. Can you imagine how infuriating that was for the Posh faithful. Oh well never mind... |
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Post by detox on Dec 12, 2023 18:57:23 GMT 1
If the fuckwit players didn't spend so much time falling about or taking an eternity over everything there would be no need for 6, 8 10 minutes added time. The irony though is a team that loses out so late might not have been guilty of the time wasting.. Players generally bring it on themselves though, hence VAR for example. The managers also have some responsibility for it.
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