Huddersfield v Liverpool 1971/72

[bradley1985]

Interesting highlights programme of the last time Shankly came to Huddersfield as manager in 1971/72. Never seen this before. Toshack and Keegan featured at old leeds road.

[redblue]

I’m a massive fan of Gerald’s prototype eastern-bloc military coat.

Way ahead of other would-be northern hipsters, he clearly knew that Joy Division and the Bunnymen were less than a decade away.

[reverendstarbuck]

Dec 9, 2023 20:20:36 GMT 1 bradley1985 said:

Interesting highlights programme of the last time Shankly came to Huddersfield as manager in 1971/72. Never seen this before. Toshack and Keegan featured at old leeds road.

An interesting watch!

You see that and wonder why they waited another 20-odd years (?) to change the backpass rule. So much better now.

Also, it's a top flight game and both keepers smash the ball as far down the field as they can every time they pick it up. Probably the state of the pitch had a lot to do with it!

[28901]

Dec 9, 2023 21:08:52 GMT 1 reverendstarbuck said:

Dec 9, 2023 20:20:36 GMT 1 bradley1985 said:

Interesting highlights programme of the last time Shankly came to Huddersfield as manager in 1971/72. Never seen this before. Toshack and Keegan featured at old leeds road.

An interesting watch!

You see that and wonder why they waited another 20-odd years (?) to change the backpass rule. So much better now.

Also, it's a top flight game and both keepers smash the ball as far down the field as they can every time they pick it up. Probably the state of the pitch had a lot to do with it!

The backpass rule, goal difference instead of average, and maybe 3 points for a win are the only good decisions made by the governing bodies in my 59 years.

[reverendstarbuck]

Dec 9, 2023 21:55:34 GMT 1 28901 said:

Dec 9, 2023 21:08:52 GMT 1 reverendstarbuck said:

An interesting watch!

You see that and wonder why they waited another 20-odd years (?) to change the backpass rule. So much better now.

Also, it's a top flight game and both keepers smash the ball as far down the field as they can every time they pick it up. Probably the state of the pitch had a lot to do with it!

The backpass rule, goal difference instead of average, and maybe 3 points for a win are the only good decisions made by the governing bodies in my 59 years.

Agreed.

I could make a pretty good case for changing it to four points for an away win, or only two points for a home win. Something to at least incentivise teams to go on the attack more away from home.

[goodbet]

Maybe we could get a point for 50% possession?

[Terrier Ramone]

I'd like to see an extra 1pt for every 3 goals scored in a game to encourage teams to continue attacking

[gledholt terrier]

At least one of those players was at yesterday’s game.

[28901]

Dec 10, 2023 11:51:08 GMT 1 Terrier Ramone said:

I'd like to see an extra 1pt for every 3 goals scored in a game to encourage teams to continue attacking

What puts me off is the uncertainty that creates. You know for example a draw keeps you up but someone somewhere bangs in a 6th in injury time against a team with nothing to ppay for and you go down on goal difference.

[Terrier Ramone]

Dec 10, 2023 13:00:15 GMT 1 28901 said:

Dec 10, 2023 11:51:08 GMT 1 Terrier Ramone said:

I'd like to see an extra 1pt for every 3 goals scored in a game to encourage teams to continue attacking

What puts me off is the uncertainty that creates. You know for example a draw keeps you up but someone somewhere bangs in a 6th in injury time against a team with nothing to ppay for and you go down on goal difference.

I know what you're saying but that would surely mean the team fighting relegation would have to go for a win, not a draw?

[rubicon]

Dec 9, 2023 21:55:34 GMT 1 28901 said:

Dec 9, 2023 21:08:52 GMT 1 reverendstarbuck said:

An interesting watch!

You see that and wonder why they waited another 20-odd years (?) to change the backpass rule. So much better now.

Also, it's a top flight game and both keepers smash the ball as far down the field as they can every time they pick it up. Probably the state of the pitch had a lot to do with it!

The backpass rule, goal difference instead of average, and maybe 3 points for a win are the only good decisions made by the governing bodies in my 59 years.

Oooh, no, no, no, to goal difference. Goal average at least rewarded being able to defend, which is a part of the game you know. Also Town would NOT have won three titles in a row with goal difference. You really want Cardiff to have won a title?

[28901]

Dec 10, 2023 17:37:49 GMT 1 rubicon said:

Dec 9, 2023 21:55:34 GMT 1 28901 said:

The backpass rule, goal difference instead of average, and maybe 3 points for a win are the only good decisions made by the governing bodies in my 59 years.

Oooh, no, no, no, to goal difference. Goal average at least rewarded being able to defend, which is a part of the game you know. Also Town would NOT have won three titles in a row with goal difference. You really want Cardiff to have won a title?

All fair points Rubicon.
It was just easier on my brain.

[28901]

Dec 10, 2023 17:36:58 GMT 1 Terrier Ramone said:

Dec 10, 2023 13:00:15 GMT 1 28901 said:

What puts me off is the uncertainty that creates. You know for example a draw keeps you up but someone somewhere bangs in a 6th in injury time against a team with nothing to ppay for and you go down on goal difference.

I know what you're saying but that would surely mean the team fighting relegation would have to go for a win, not a draw?

I just think it would create too many variants. Its a simple game with a simple format basically for simple people.

[detox]

Surprised points for 'sporting behaviour' hasn't been muted.. This could include assessing time wasting, feigning injury, time taken to take a goal kick/free kick/corner/throw in..., bookings, fouls, red cards and hassling officials.. That would set the punters on TV going for shooa..

[htafcokay]

Dec 10, 2023 12:05:54 GMT 1 gledholt terrier said:

At least one of those players was at yesterday’s game.

Geoff Hutt?

[gledholt terrier]

Dec 11, 2023 11:49:35 GMT 1 htafcokay said:

Dec 10, 2023 12:05:54 GMT 1 gledholt terrier said:

At least one of those players was at yesterday’s game.

Geoff Hutt?

Roy Ellam - held toilet door open for him.

[goodbet]

Dec 11, 2023 11:45:33 GMT 1 detox said:

Surprised points for 'sporting behaviour' hasn't been muted.. This could include assessing time wasting, feigning injury, time taken to take a goal kick/free kick/corner/throw in..., bookings, fouls, red cards and hassling officials.. That would set the punters on TV going for shooa..

The FA would love this, let the half-wits in charge of VAR to give points to the big boys!

[detox]

Dec 11, 2023 13:01:11 GMT 1 goodbet said:

Dec 11, 2023 11:45:33 GMT 1 detox said:

Surprised points for 'sporting behaviour' hasn't been muted.. This could include assessing time wasting, feigning injury, time taken to take a goal kick/free kick/corner/throw in..., bookings, fouls, red cards and hassling officials.. That would set the punters on TV going for shooa..

The FA would love this, let the half-wits in charge of VAR to give points to the big boys!

it's the first step to not having games at all, just bring in the 'pools panel' ....

[rubicon]

Dec 10, 2023 22:48:41 GMT 1 28901 said:

Dec 10, 2023 17:37:49 GMT 1 rubicon said:

Oooh, no, no, no, to goal difference. Goal average at least rewarded being able to defend, which is a part of the game you know. Also Town would NOT have won three titles in a row with goal difference. You really want Cardiff to have won a title?

All fair points Rubicon.
It was just easier on my brain.

Yes it was harder, but it's only dividing one thing by another. Most of us could do it back then, but it's not hard when we've all got calculators these days. Bobby Moore was a joy to watch defending. For those not in the know, this was the top two in Towns first title win:
1 Huddersfield Town (C) 42 23 11 8 60 33 1.818 57
2 Cardiff City 42 22 13 7 61 34 1.794 57
As in played, won, drew, lost, goals for and against, goal difference and points. Town would have lost the title, not on goal difference, but on goals scored under current rules. But 60 divided by 33 gives a bigger figure than 61 divided by 34, ( 1.818 to 1.794) making Town champions.

I FULLY realise most on here will know this, but there will be people that won't.
Three points for a win, I can fully understand, though lets face it, it doesn't stop teams playing for a draw as much as they thought it would. One point can still be very important to some teams, especially us at the minute. I wonder what the stats would say, as to what percentage of games are drawn now, to the percentage before three points for a win? I'm guessing not as big a difference as they thought there would be.

[araucaria]

Dec 9, 2023 21:55:34 GMT 1 28901 said:

Dec 9, 2023 21:08:52 GMT 1 reverendstarbuck said:

An interesting watch!

You see that and wonder why they waited another 20-odd years (?) to change the backpass rule. So much better now.

Also, it's a top flight game and both keepers smash the ball as far down the field as they can every time they pick it up. Probably the state of the pitch had a lot to do with it!

The backpass rule, goal difference instead of average, and maybe 3 points for a win are the only good decisions made by the governing bodies in my 59 years.

I still believe that it was wrong in 1981 to devalue the draw 😀 - we'd be 18th under 2 points for a win and only 2 points behind Blackburn instead of 7.

[reverendstarbuck]

Dec 11, 2023 13:55:39 GMT 1 rubicon said:

Dec 10, 2023 22:48:41 GMT 1 28901 said:

All fair points Rubicon.
It was just easier on my brain.

Yes it was harder, but it's only dividing one thing by another. Most of us could do it back then, but it's not hard when we've all got calculators these days. Bobby Moore was a joy to watch defending. For those not in the know, this was the top two in Towns first title win:
1 Huddersfield Town (C) 42 23 11 8 60 33 1.818 57
2 Cardiff City 42 22 13 7 61 34 1.794 57
As in played, won, drew, lost, goals for and against, goal difference and points. Town would have lost the title, not on goal difference, but on goals scored under current rules. But 60 divided by 33 gives a bigger figure than 61 divided by 34, ( 1.818 to 1.794) making Town champions.

I FULLY realise most on here will know this, but there will be people that won't.
Three points for a win, I can fully understand, though lets face it, it doesn't stop teams playing for a draw as much as they thought it would. One point can still be very important to some teams, especially us at the minute. I wonder what the stats would say, as to what percentage of games are drawn now, to the percentage before three points for a win? I'm guessing not as big a difference as they thought there would be.

Not sure I knew it was THAT close. Thanks for the explanation.

Is it the closest league title win of all time?

[onesteviekindon]

We had a decent team back then. One or two quality signings would have given us a good chance of top flight survival for a few years. By the time we signed Alan Gowling it was far too late, and when Frankie, Big Roy and Cherry left the writing was on the wall.

By the way check out that pitch, those were the days!

[rubicon]

Dec 11, 2023 14:04:31 GMT 1 reverendstarbuck said:

Dec 11, 2023 13:55:39 GMT 1 rubicon said:

Yes it was harder, but it's only dividing one thing by another. Most of us could do it back then, but it's not hard when we've all got calculators these days. Bobby Moore was a joy to watch defending. For those not in the know, this was the top two in Towns first title win:
1 Huddersfield Town (C) 42 23 11 8 60 33 1.818 57
2 Cardiff City 42 22 13 7 61 34 1.794 57
As in played, won, drew, lost, goals for and against, goal difference and points. Town would have lost the title, not on goal difference, but on goals scored under current rules. But 60 divided by 33 gives a bigger figure than 61 divided by 34, ( 1.818 to 1.794) making Town champions.

I FULLY realise most on here will know this, but there will be people that won't.
Three points for a win, I can fully understand, though lets face it, it doesn't stop teams playing for a draw as much as they thought it would. One point can still be very important to some teams, especially us at the minute. I wonder what the stats would say, as to what percentage of games are drawn now, to the percentage before three points for a win? I'm guessing not as big a difference as they thought there would be.

Not sure I knew it was THAT close. Thanks for the explanation.

Is it the closest league title win of all time?

I believe so. It certainly was at the time. 1923–24 in English football. I believe it still is under goal average.

The 1923–24 season was the 49th season of competitive football in England, with Huddersfield Town becoming League Champions for the first time, managing to beat Cardiff City in the closest finish in the competition's history, having the same number of points and winning the title by just 0.024 on goal average.

[buxtonboys101]

The issue that stands out most from those statistics on Town’s first title season was that it shows how competitive the division was. The Champions losing eight games along with the runners up. I doubt it would happen today in the money obsessed and unfair Premiership.

[bluemond]

That pitch was at the normal standard for back in the day . By the way this was one of our better performances that season.

[rubicon]

Dec 12, 2023 13:39:25 GMT 1 buxtonboys101 said:

The issue that stands out most from those statistics on Town’s first title season was that it shows how competitive the division was. The Champions losing eight games along with the runners up. I doubt it would happen today in the money obsessed and unfair Premiership.

Maybe not as clear as you think. The first season after the three title wins we finished runners up by 5 points, when there were only two points for a win, so a pretty big gap.
This was a team that finished in the top two for five seasons, was in four cup finals, all in the same decade. Not really that competitive when it looks like we were the team of the decade. PS I'm glad we were, teams like my local Boro, will NEVER have that history.