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Post by townrwe on Dec 13, 2023 8:10:05 GMT 1
Simple question and include any mitigating factors in formilating responses.
Do you believe Darren Moore is the right man to manage Huddersfield Town.
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Post by stevvy on Dec 13, 2023 8:28:15 GMT 1
No.
Regardless of injuries, if I could see a clear plan of what he wants to do, if I could see some fight and desire from the players, if his tactical decisions and subs made sense, then at least I could say "it isn't going well, but it's just a bad patch, we're having a bit of bad luck/keepers are having blinders against us regularly but I can see what we're trying to do", but that isn't the case.
There's nothing you can 'hang your hat on' as it were to give you hope.
He has to go.
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Post by WackyWorld on Dec 13, 2023 8:36:01 GMT 1
No.
Simple
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Post by durhamterrier on Dec 13, 2023 8:47:50 GMT 1
Last night was arguably our strongest eleven bar Rudoni and the tactics and performance was woeful . If we’re all honest the two wins we’ve picked up under Moore have been lucky and the draws have often been scraped.
He’s not up for the challenge our thin squad presents and he will take us down
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Post by DATM Travel Agent on Dec 13, 2023 9:15:02 GMT 1
Last night I left at half time because even though we needed to score at least two goals in the second half to have any chance of not losing, I couldn't see us even having 2 shots.
Granted we managed to have a whopping 3 shots, get one of them on target and somehow score a goal, but if the best we can manage at home against slightly above average opposition is a 10/15 minute spell where we're not utter dog shit, we might as well forfeit the rest of the season and start planning for League 1 now.
I was in the Moore out camp before but what happened last night left me in no doubt that he needs to go ASAP. It's not even up for debate.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Dec 13, 2023 9:23:05 GMT 1
Last night was arguably our strongest eleven bar Rudoni and the tactics and performance was woeful . If we’re all honest the two wins we’ve picked up under Moore have been lucky and the draws have often been scraped. He’s not up for the challenge our thin squad presents and he will take us down Don’t forget Josh Ruffels, the “best left back in the championship”  |
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Post by ben1987 on Dec 13, 2023 9:23:49 GMT 1
I have tried to but the more time goes on the harder it is to see this working. Beyond Moore, I have no or little faith in those above to make the right choices.
The way chronic under investment from Hoyle, cutting budgets and the squad to the bone has never been addressed in the last 2 seasons, the clubs learnt nothing before, during or after Hoyle came back. We are a complete ruddersless ship.
What a way to celebrate 100 years since Huddersfield Town won their first ever league title and the start of the Thrice Champions journey. The fans have been so patient, they’ve tried to point out the issues but they haven’t listened. About 9k last night watching a light show and 1-3 defeat at home to Preston, relegation incoming.
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Post by malcolmbrown on Dec 13, 2023 9:29:45 GMT 1
I was there last night. I'd be very, very surprised if there were 9,000 fans there. It looked about one quarter full.
We're on a death spiral. I can see us going down to div 4 in successive seasons. The club is defeated on the pitch, in the boardroom and in the stands.
'Is this a library' should be the new club song. The only thing that varies from week to week is how early the away fans sing it. Last night it was after 4/5 minutes.
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Post by netherterrier on Dec 13, 2023 9:30:10 GMT 1
I’m always reluctant to see managers go as rebuilding can take time. He should go, if, and it’s a big if, the chairman and his acolytes will allow any new manager to challenge them and what players we need in and out to progress, a younger Warnock would be ideal.
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Post by buxtonboys101 on Dec 13, 2023 9:38:29 GMT 1
When do the demonstrations begin?
Moore out!
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Post by rockwall on Dec 13, 2023 9:38:44 GMT 1
I was willing to give him time. After last night, he needs to go.
I understand the pressure of having injuries and a small squad etc. But for me, I haven't seen any form of plan or share.
We got told he would play attacking football. Until Swansea, I also understand why he couldn't.
But the last 3 games, there has been no excuse not to. Ward, Bergzorg, Koroma, Thomas (bar his 1 game ban) have all been available.
So why haven't we seen this attacking style?
Throughout the game he looks motionless. He looks bored. Body language rubs off on others; if he's looking like that, what message does it send to the players?
If Nagle reads this forum.... please please don't think that getting rid would be a knee jerk decision.
The fans surely tell the whole story. You have a manager who is not favoured and this is showing in embarrassing attendances. It is meant to be an entertainment business, fans pay for entertainment. I would rather go to Wickes and buy a paint tester and watch it dry right now.
We could be back in the bottom 3 tonight after been 6 points clear 3 games ago. We have a lot of games before we can strengthen. Sticking with Moore could be costly.
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Post by rockwall on Dec 13, 2023 9:39:52 GMT 1
I’m always reluctant to see managers go as rebuilding can take time. He should go, if, and it’s a big if, the chairman and his acolytes will allow any new manager to challenge them and what players we need in and out to progress, a younger Warnock would be ideal. Not the best name, but for stability, we couldn't do worse than Tony Mowbray. Did well at Blackburn and Sunderland. Both look worse since he left them. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Dec 13, 2023 9:42:33 GMT 1
I’m always reluctant to see managers go as rebuilding can take time. He should go, if, and it’s a big if, the chairman and his acolytes will allow any new manager to challenge them and what players we need in and out to progress, a younger Warnock would be ideal. Not the best name, but for stability, we couldn't do worse than Tony Mowbray. Did well at Blackburn and Sunderland. Both look worse since he left them. Worse? Sunderland have just beaten West Brom and Leeds since they sacked Mowbray? |
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Post by dugnet on Dec 13, 2023 9:47:43 GMT 1
I don't usually vote in these poles but I have here, we should get behind him......sorry I'm joking (last night's farce still having an impact).
I think it's important that everyone who is not convinced by DM is level headed and sticks to the simple footballing facts:
Last night was as poor as I have seen in terms of set up and execution. We set up negatively and were unable to execute a simple plan of stopping the opposition playing. It was as turgid as it was inept.
2 wins in 14, and what I am guessing must be some of the worst possession stats across the league isn't anywhere near good enough or encouraging.
The rhetoric from the manager is uninspiring and he has no rapport with the fan base (who all recognise he's a nice bloke).
The previous manager inspired confidence across the club. He understood the capability of the, admittedly limited resources he had but got them to do a job. The result was the sum of the parts was greater. With the current manager the opposite appears to be true.
The fans are voting with their feet. Empty seats tell their own story. Compare this with the atmosphere and attendance against Stoke.
The current run of form has regressed to performances where simple fundamentals such as pass and move seem above what we are capable of. It's making a weak squad look even more inept than they actually are (see comment about the sum of the parts).
Mr Nagle cannot allow this to continue. I am sure when DM was appointed it was done positively and with the best intentions, but sometimes you have to admit a mistake has been made. Ploughing on grimly will start to look foolish, and in some people's eyes arrogant. The last administration wasn't keen to publicly acknowledge mistakes and there's a lesson there. People respect people who are able to hold their hands up and say "I/we got it wrong". They respect people further who then do something about it.
This situation is simply about decisions on the football field. It is true we need a stronger squad but what we have seen in the last 14 games has been woefully inadequate. There is now, after last night's pitiful show, no obvious expectation that things will improve.
It is understandable that people get angry and behave accordingly on social media etc... but for every one of those people/posts there are many more fans who are unconvinced. Everyone is pretty much united in being concerned about what they are seeing and where we are heading.
I will finish with a respectful message to those who offer a defence or mitigate or excuse performances. I am naturally a positive person, I am naturally optimistic but I am also a realist and this is simply not working, at any level. I don't abuse people and I am prepared to accept things are done with the best intentions but that still doesn't get away from the fact that this is not good enough.
I had an exchange on here with one of the posters who questioned my decision to choose to miss games. Last night is why I have decided to miss more games, until something changes. I am not a toys out of the pram merchant but I do hope that another empty seat sends a message about how I feel about the club I have followed for 44 years.
It's time for some proper thinking, a clear plan, better communication and, most importantly, better football.
UTT
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Post by runner76 on Dec 13, 2023 9:53:11 GMT 1
Clearly not.
Can he be successful? Possibly, with backing.
However, he’s not the ‘character’ type manager Town fans warm to, and success on the grass is not everything.
Hope he can turn it around and win back the doubters.
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Post by dugnet on Dec 13, 2023 9:53:30 GMT 1
Not the best name, but for stability, we couldn't do worse than Tony Mowbray. Did well at Blackburn and Sunderland. Both look worse since he left them. Worse? Sunderland have just beaten West Brom and Leeds since they sacked Mowbray? His job at Blackburn was very good to be fair, he knows the league and his teams play decent football. |
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Dec 13, 2023 9:54:25 GMT 1
I’m always reluctant to see managers go as rebuilding can take time. He should go, if, and it’s a big if, the chairman and his acolytes will allow any new manager to challenge them and what players we need in and out to progress, a younger Warnock would be ideal. Not the best name, but for stability, we couldn't do worse than Tony Mowbray. Did well at Blackburn and Sunderland. Both look worse since he left them. I know what you meant to say, but "couldn't do worse than Tony Mowbray" made me laugh. Poor guy. |
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Post by dugnet on Dec 13, 2023 9:56:20 GMT 1
Clearly not. Can he be successful? Possibly, with backing. However, he’s not the ‘character’ type manager Town fans warm to, and success on the grass is not everything. Hope he can turn it around and win back the doubters. I respect your support for him but I would argue, right now and in most cases, that success on the grass is everything and what we need to see. Or at least something that will engender confidence that things will get better. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Dec 13, 2023 9:59:37 GMT 1
Worse? Sunderland have just beaten West Brom and Leeds since they sacked Mowbray? His job at Blackburn was very good to be fair, he knows the league and his teams play decent football. I wasn’t questioning Mowbray, more Rockwells assertion that Sunderland look worse since he left them. |
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Post by rdb on Dec 13, 2023 10:01:43 GMT 1
I missed the previous couple of home games but was ‘fortunate’ enough to be able to go last night.
Turgid.
After 30 mins, I happened to look at the match stats. 24% possession at home against Preston. And that 24% was woeful.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Dec 13, 2023 10:03:10 GMT 1
Clearly not. Can he be successful? Possibly, with backing. However, he’s not the ‘character’ type manager Town fans warm to, and success on the grass is not everything. Hope he can turn it around and win back the doubters. People are still very sore about last night because it was a nothing performance, bar the ten minute spell where we scored & you wondered how, with just three changes, they could go from the first half to that. Then the puzzling substitution of taking a pro footballer off the pitch who had just scored, is the sort of player who that would have invigorated and got him going. The third goal was a sucker punch, but after that we didn’t react. This squad is suffering from something, I can’t fathom it, but last night felt like a team with no direction being provided to it. Preston had us sussed and we didn’t have the ability to change things and give them something else to think about. The mood around the club is dismal just now. I doubt Moore will go because it would be throwing good money after bad. We’re far from being sunk, but we need to see some spark in these next few games, otherwise Nagle will want to sell the club in 10 days come next May… |
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Post by Mastercracker on Dec 13, 2023 10:07:23 GMT 1
I have tried to but the more time goes on the harder it is to see this working. Beyond Moore, I have no or little faith in those above to make the right choices. The way chronic under investment from Hoyle, cutting budgets and the squad to the bone has never been addressed in the last 2 seasons, the clubs learnt nothing before, during or after Hoyle came back. We are a complete ruddersless ship. What a way to celebrate 100 years since Huddersfield Town won their first ever league title and the start of the Thrice Champions journey. The fans have been so patient, they’ve tried to point out the issues but they haven’t listened. About 9k last night watching a light show and 1-3 defeat at home to Preston, relegation incoming. 5 and a half years now of football coming a distant second to off field fucks ups, power struggles and complete lack of any joined up thinking. Lets be honest, given what a complete and utter shambles its been and how its often just been a rudderless ship, how are we even still in this league? We sure as hell don't deserve to be really. The level of ambition these last few years has been no different to the Davy years. I'm back to not bothering with mid weeks just like last season. Doubt I'll bother with boxing day. Basically only go on weekend fixtures for summat to do and a few pints, the game is a complete inconvenience. It makes me sad, but when custodian after custodian seemingly cant be arsed, and given 2 were actually Town fans, there's only so much you can take before you shrug your shoulders. I think as Town fans we can all take being shit, christ we've all seen it enough. What I can't take is the seeming lack of effort and ambition to NOT be shit. Football without hope is soul destroying. I'm pretty sure Moore is bang average at absolute best, most probably not even that. From the outside looking in and from his public facing persona he has neither the gravitas or charisma to drag players/fans along with him like Wagner/Warnock did nor the tactical acumen to change games and make a poor team into something better like Corberan did. His playing reputation doesn't garner respect at this level. I think at best he's the safe sort who will have a team pretty much where they should be in a league, based on the ability within that team and nothing more. There'd be zero qualms from me if we got shut. But lets not kid ourselves, the absolute number 1 problem here is the squad. Not only in its lack of ability, but lack of numbers. Lack of a coherent strategy to buy players for a style/formation. Lack of funding for 5 years. Parachute payments mystically up in smoke with zero premier league legacy bar a nice looking security gate. No first team striker purchased in 6 (SIX!) years. Old man Hogg starting game after game at 35. The only strategy for years seemingly being a flow chart containing 'have they played for us before', 'are they free' and 'can we flip this kid quickly for profit'. It's absolutely shite, all of it. |
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Post by sonny on Dec 13, 2023 10:11:11 GMT 1
And Hoyle is still to be heard chirping away about leaving the club in a better state than he found it.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Dec 13, 2023 10:13:16 GMT 1
The masses wandered around in lime green t-shirts for far less.
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Post by castlehillterrier on Dec 13, 2023 10:15:29 GMT 1
And Hoyle is still to be heard chirping away about leaving the club in a better state than he found it. This is not somehting that is in doubt. L1 club > Championship club, many other areas also far improved from when he took over HTAFC were more likley to be in L2 than the championship at this point in time. what an idiotic thing to say. |
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Post by benhomly on Dec 13, 2023 10:17:00 GMT 1
Last night was arguably our strongest eleven bar Rudoni and the tactics and performance was woeful . If we’re all honest the two wins we’ve picked up under Moore have been lucky and the draws have often been scraped. He’s not up for the challenge our thin squad presents and he will take us down Nicholls definitely stronger than Maxwell, he's done well in his few appearances but all 3 goals last night were poor especially the 3rd. Nicholls back in at the weekend for me. Someone taking the piss out of Ruffels further down the board but he would definitely make us stronger at the moment. We're constantly getting rinsed down the right hand side and anyone who plays Koroma as a wing back in future should be sacked as soon as the line up is announced. Arguably Turton would get in or Jackson so again Thomas as wing back makes us weaker as well. As you say, Rudoni for Austerfield or Wiles. Austerfield just another of our Academy 'prospects' who will rock up at somewhere like Forest Green in years to come. Finally arguably Rhodes for Ward. So nowhere near our strongest eleven IMO but I agree with your last comment. Thought he deserved more time but he's making ridiculous decisions with the limited resources he's got. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Dec 13, 2023 10:26:58 GMT 1
I have backed Darren and his team so far and suggested we needed to give him until January, watching from a far last night I have to say thay my backing has almost gone. The team looked like they didnt have a clue what they needed to do, why do we play JK LWB when we have 2 LWBs on the bench, why start a young lad in CM when you had experience on the bench it was a very strange team selection and something I am struggling to get my head around anything from last night. Its not really difficult to see when we made the subs the team looked more organised mainly becasue everyone knew where they were playing.
I think we have Pearson and Lees injured from last night mainly due to the fact the both had to cover wide due to no natural full back / wing back at either side this is DMs fault 100%, Danny Ward I am pretty sure he is also strugglign after last night.
I hate myself for saying this and it goes against everything I have said before about giving DM time, but watching last night I now firmly believe he is not the right man for this job and we need to act now to give a new manager time to get this sh*t sorted out, I can only imagine what the atmosphere was like last night in the stadium.
Time to go Darren, nice guy yes just not the right person for HTAFC at this time unfortunatly.
even though I now think its time to make a change, I still do not believe it will happen and I think we will stick and give DM January to build his own team, I now fear this maybe too late and if we wait for the first time last night the players body launguage was not great.
I should be home on Friday and plan to get to Millwall with hopefully a change in effort and attitude on the pitch.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Dec 13, 2023 10:27:27 GMT 1
Last night was arguably our strongest eleven bar Rudoni and the tactics and performance was woeful . If we’re all honest the two wins we’ve picked up under Moore have been lucky and the draws have often been scraped. He’s not up for the challenge our thin squad presents and he will take us down Someone taking the piss out of Ruffels further down the board but he would definitely make us stronger at the moment. I wasn’t taking the piss out of Ruffels, it was more out of the fact he’d been labelled the best left back in the championship by Mr self promotion himself. I’d have much preferred him starting there to Koroma (although Ruffels is more a LB than LWB). |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Dec 13, 2023 10:28:14 GMT 1
It’s down to character for me: do Nagle, Cartwright et al have the backbone to stand up and admit they made a massive mistake?
We’re probably not selling many half season tickets this Christmas.
Whatever projections we had for price/volume of tickets next season will be up in smoke if things stay as they are.
Do they have the humility to undo the only major decision they’ve made to date, and renounce the ridiculous fanfare they announced it with?
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Post by captainblack on Dec 13, 2023 10:44:56 GMT 1
I am not one for wanting to see managers sacked but in
my opinion DM has not got long to go , we could be
in a relegation position by 10.00 this evening
(I think we will be) . Moore has to start to deliver
results , the draws are not going to be enough to see
us to a position of safety. I have stated it before,
that I cannot see DM lasting until January and I stick
by that.
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